Met Gala 2025's Best & Worst Looks + The Valley's Michelle Saniei Interview
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What's up everyone? It's Chicks in the Office with Rhea and Fran giving you that Friday energy on a Wednesday. I almost forgot what day it was. It's Wednesday. We are back in studio. Kelly's here. Hello. Olive's here. We've gone with Olive.

Olive is permanent. Olive is perfect. It is a perfect name. Olive's going to say she looks like a little precious olive. I'm going to call her Olive Oil sometimes behind her back. I think she is just perfection. Look at her. I know. I can't stop staring at her. I think she's really enamored with Noah's yellow rain jacket he's wearing. She can hear it too, I think. When he moves, she can hear it. Aren't dogs colorblind? I never understood that.

I think they can see certain colors. That's a good question. I feel like that was always something people said, right? I've always just been like, how do you know that? Like, how do you find that out? Right. Yeah. Right. Exactly. How did they tell you that? How did you see through the eyes of a dog? I think, yes, the rumors are true. Dogs are colorblind. But I think that there are certain colors that stand out more than others, you know? Like a red. Yeah, it's a bright color. And it makes some funny noises, too, when you move around, you know? Mm-hmm.

She's a perfect angel and I'm so thrilled to have met her. Aunt Kelly on the clock. And I just... I know. We're going to have to... We're going to have to find an interesting balance because she's so brand new. I don't want her to be by her...

but then she's in the studio, but then she can't be in the studio all the time. - She can. - She could though. - Whenever we start recording, she immediately just becomes really calm, I feel like. - Completely. - Yeah. - She's very chill right now. - If there's a good seat to sit in, she seems happy to do that, you know? - Aren't we all? - Yeah. - Aren't we all? - If people are moving around, we're all sitting and not moving around.

I think if we were all up moving, she'd be like, what's everybody doing? Oh, no. Absolutely. Look, and there she goes. Oh, and here it is. Yeah, yeah. But maybe she's just coming here. She's just going to lay on the ground. She said, I've had enough time in the spotlight. Please take that camera off me. She said, I'm just going to chill in between us now. I love that. She's so sweet. I also wanted to shout out that I am dressed today as an homage to Rhea.

I am wearing cheetah. I know she likes to cheetah print. She does. And I'm wearing these glasses that I bought because she had them. She has them, yeah. And well, you know, a lot of people had them and I didn't like them on anybody until I saw them on her. And I went, you know what? I'm going to try now. Those are actually pretty cute. And I got bags so I got the glasses going and then I was like, you know what? Rhea will appreciate this. So I'm channeling her for our breakdown today. And not only is it a little cheetah, you're in little skims and

Skims Dolce & Gabbana. Skims Dolce & Gabbana collab, which you guys know that I'm not a Kim fan, but I am a Skims fan. Yeah, Skims is. And I do have the set. I have the top, and then I have the shorts. Oh, that's nice. The top is a different material than the shorts. The shorts is like a ribbed cotton. The top is, I believe, also cotton, but it's got some stretch to it, so it's lovely. Yeah, but it was a collab, and I did get it because I'm a leopard girl. There you go. So here I am. I love it. Well, we are back.

I had a very quick trip to Scottsdale. Yes, you did. The Bet Gala was a success, I would say. You looked gorgeous, by the way. Thank you. Perfect dress. I was cracking up because I made a Get Ready With Me TikTok. And...

And someone commented, who are you and how? And I was like, does this person think I'm going to the Met Gala? And I'm like doing my own hair and makeup for the Met Gala. Yes. And yeah. Should have commented back, old friends with Anna. Yeah, right. Well, because I think that's probably a thing for a lot of people is like they saw a Met Gala and they were like, oh, typo.

Definitely. Well, part of the issue I wrote for those interested, I wrote a full red carpet breakdown of all of the best and worst dressed people at the company that showed up on the carpet. But in my search for thoughts, comments and pictures of everyone, the hashtag Met Gala, there were plenty of Met Gala things that had slipped through the cracks. People also doing typos, I think. Yeah.

I wouldn't be surprised. I have a resident fashion expert icon, Kelly, to do a little Met Gala roundup. Thank you so much. Honestly, it was hard for me to keep up. I'm at this event. All the games are on. I'm trying to look at all the pictures of everybody. So I wouldn't be surprised if there's

some that I've still missed. I got on a red-eye, slept, fell asleep, and now I'm here. You really had quite the time. And as much as we do love the Met Gala, it being on at the same exact time as the regular Met Gala carpet, it was a dual-screen night. It's fine for everybody else at this company, but when we're, you know... Sorry, I just felt very... My throat just got so dry for a second. Well, you've been talking. Yeah, when we cover...

The Met Gala as well. It's double duty, really double duty. It's a lot of fashion. It's the premier night in fashion. The Met Gala only made it that much better. And you and Dave did a very good job hosting. Oh, thank you. You guys were very funny. You have great chemistry and very down to business, matter of fact. And I thought your analysis was spot on. We were...

I found myself, like someone would come on the screen and I'd write a couple notes and then you'd literally say out loud the notes I just had. I said, we are so in sync. So I'm proud of you. That's called taste. So we have MechAlicef will do a little pop corner, take some voicemails.

And we also have Michelle from the Valley on today's episode. We're talking about everything from the Valley, last night's episode, which everybody watched, and a little inside view of what's going on over there on the Valley. So great episode, I will say, guys. I'll be able to talk about it on Friday. Gia and I are going to...

an event for Spotify tonight. It was a Spotify event that's... Oh, I feel like she can't get comfortable. No.

She's being sweet. I think she's very sleepy. I think we do need to get her a bed in here. Definitely. I feel like she would. We gotta get like a water bowl area. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone who's listening, you should tune in because we just have an olive camera right now. Oh, there's an olive cam. Rogue cam. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's on the bottom now. Yeah, yeah. It's a rogue cam. Can't hide from it, girly. I'm a good girl. Her little ear is flopped over right now and the cute is wearing it. You're so cute. Oh my God.

Oh, God. I got distracted from my big news. I know. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Anyway, Spotify. Anyway, Spotify is hosting this event. Rhea and I got... Oh, you're coming back up. Mm-hmm. Okay. Rhea and I got invited to... And, of course, she is obviously not here. And I was lucky enough to have a plus one since Rhea is not here. But we got invited to an exclusive event with Miss Miley Cyrus. Oh!

Tuesday nights. So when you're listening, the event will have happened. But I am absolutely thrilled about it. We get to listen to the whole album. Fran, I heard the lowdown from Gia. I am so jealous. It makes me sick. I am so excited to hear about it. Like, I cannot wait. I know. I think everybody else was, too. And it was funny because when I asked if I still could bring somebody, since obviously Rhea's not here, I think everybody was...

Was behind for that. Noah literally sent like a picture of... He sent, oh, the song, That Should Be Me. That's a good one. That made me be able to snag the internet. I also said, hey, Miley was in my bar mitzvah video. We could talk about that. That is so true. Although Gia's a big Miley fan. I know. Noah makes... Sister, sister, you know? Noah makes a great case. I said it hurts him that my sister works here as well. Exactly. And we are...

close to where I think if she knew I got a plus one and didn't take her, that actually causes a large rift. We don't need a family rift. We don't need a sister squabble. A major sister squabble. So don't need that to happen. But Miley will be in attendance. There is a Q&A involved, I believe. I don't know if it's like there's a moderator or if it's fans asking questions. I don't know. It's

It's going to be incredible. But I do know that our phones will be taken for some portion, I would assume, when the album is being played because they don't want any leaks. Wait, did you see, and I still am not quite sure what this event was, but over the weekend, I believe, Miley did it. Yes, I had a friend that was there. Yeah, so I don't exactly know what that event was, but Miley did perform one of her new, never before performed songs. Yes. And I was liking what I was hearing, friends. Same, so was I. I only heard that tiny snippet.

it from that clip whatever I'm sure we saw the same clip more to lose I think it's called yes yes and wow oh wow real estate on this seat okay yeah we're good she's really trying to get me to sit as awkward as I possibly can she's a sweet love I'm like oh I gotta sit on one cheek mm-hmm

And those are the sacrifices you make as a mother. No, they are. They are. Happy almost Mother's Day, by the way. Absolutely worth it. Getting right down to the wire Mother's Day-wise. I appreciate that. Love it. I hope Joe is listening and acting accordingly. Right. Oh, my God. But...

I'm very excited to talk about that on Friday and everything that happens in there. I can't wait to hear. It's going to be tremendous, I think. I'm so excited for the album. And what a blessing. What an invite to score, too. What an invite. I was shocked. Shot Spotify. As you can imagine, what you imagined Rhea's reaction was, it lived up to that. She was like, you've got to be fucking kidding me. Bummer. Bummer. And

you know, look, she's living her best life. She's an Ibiza. She can't complain, you know, and she's not, she's not at all. But I did say if there, I did say if I had a moment with Miley, I would show her Rhea's first dance video.

That is extremely fair and also makes you a good friend. Yeah. I hope I do. I don't know how many people are going to be there. I don't know what it's going to be like if she's in and out, whatever. But we'll see. I'm kind of surprised that Miley hasn't seen that video yet. I feel like every time I see that video online, it's like going crazy. And I don't know anyone in the history of the world that has had a Miley first dance song. Like I've never seen that. Have you? No.

Not personally. Not personally. That's what I'm saying. It's never come across my desk. It's never come up on my For You page either. I'm sure there's people who have. I'm sure. But, you know. But. I think she needs to see it. I mean, specifically that song I think is also very unique. Exactly. Right. It's a deep cut, early song. You know, not really deep cut, but like early, early. Yeah. I think just that would be so exciting. Yeah. She would love that. I did originally read the like invite as...

Like she was coming on because I got Booker sent it and I was like, oh, oh my god Like she's gonna come on the podcast. That's how I read it. Oh, and then I was talking to Rita and she was like if that was the case like I was I would have booked a flight. Of course. I was gonna say I actually think if that was the case of like, oh, she's available to come on the show on this date. Rhea would be like, I will fly home. Yeah, definitely. I feel like anybody. Yeah. Yeah. You got it. That's crazy. Imagine the FOMO. Oh my god. Oh, no, I couldn't. No, impossible. I could not.

Couldn't handle it. So very excited for that. And yeah, I've just, I mean, like, I've got full, I got full dog brain now. It's the only thing I can think about. It's like every single thing coming up, I'm like, okay, so really just, where will the dog be? What am I doing with the dog? Is she going to be okay? Can she come everywhere with me? I did just get her a backpack. A backpack? Oh my God. How many pounds is she like? She's like, she's so tiny. So tiny.

Should they, Monty Paws says she's 30 pounds. I have not personally weighed her, but she does have to go to the vet. So we'll get a fish number. We'll get a real count. But her foster mom took her on the subway in a little backpack. She sent me a picture. Oh my God, stop it. So I ordered the exact same backpack. Incredible. As she used. So she's like new, you know, move over Mad Max, Fluffy Road. Exactly. Exactly. Olive's coming through. Olive's coming through. Yeah.

And Mad Max, fluffy. Max is very fluffy. She's extremely fluffy. So I'm curious how much she actually weighs because a lot of her is fluff. I would think Olive is bigger solely because corgis are just not that big. However, they are. Stocky. Yes, they're thick. Thick boys and girls. We love that. Exactly. That's going to be incredible. A serious question that the people are, I'm sure, wanting to know. Will Olive be getting her own Instagram account? Oh, yes.

I've been asked. I don't know. Not sure? Yeah. Okay. I don't know if that's... I don't know if I live that life. If that's the kind of dog she is? Yeah. But let me tell you, she's been recognized on the street already a couple times. Wow. She's a star. Because when you're a celebrity... Once with me. It's Adios Reality.

She has no idea. No matter what you do. And once yesterday with my brother. People think you're cool. That's amazing. Wow. Isn't that funny? She's literally so famous already. She's three days old basically and she's famous. She was with my brother. Wasn't even with me. And they were like, I know that dog. People, you know, this is a skill that you have.

For sure. But I'm always so surprised to see how many other people have the skill of being able to recognize famous dogs in public. Like, if there's a famous dog or an Instagram dog, like, you know, I'm right. Like the pug. Remember you remember that pug?

Doug? Doug the Pug. Yes. Didn't you like see Doug in the wild somewhere like run out of your way to like... Yes. Yes. Like I never would... I would never know. You know what I mean? I would know Maxine Mad Max Fluffy Road because she's always in a backpack. So context matters. Right, right, right. But if I saw another Corgi in a backpack on the subway, I probably would already think it's Matt. Like I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's just... That's...

Definitely true I think there's a lot of Down in Florida with my parents Everybody has dogs And it's like Their neighborhood is Dog Beach You can bring the dog on Whenever you want So all the dogs run around They play And it's like We know all the dog I know I can name like All the dogs names Wow I don't know their owners Any of the people's names Yeah

That's like my building. I have a lot of dogs in my building and I know all the dogs. I don't know the people. Yeah, exactly. If I were to get into the elevator with the people, I wouldn't even look twice. But when I see them with their dog, I'm like, oh, hi, nice to see you again. And also pet your dog. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's that. Yep, exactly. So let's get into some topics. I mean, honestly, every year the Met Gala takes up a lot of time because we want to talk about the amazing outfits that we saw. And...

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impressed with this carpet. I agree completely. I am coming into this recap with a lot of favorites and a lot of people who fell flat but certainly nobody that I'm like ew disgusting horrible job. Everyone was good. Everyone looked good. Everyone looked sharp and if they didn't

totally live up to the theme in a fun or funky way. They still looked handsome or pretty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't like a few massive misses. I will say I did fall. I did fall for Katy Perry AI. I fell for that. I said, because we were all posting, I go, oh fuck, we miss Katy Perry.

Yeah. Oh my God, I didn't see it. Belford Hard. That's hilarious. I was looking at pictures. I said, oh my God. Was it bad? No, she looked amazing. A.I. Katy Perry looked fantastic. The outfit was- That's how you know it's fake. The outfit was so cool. Well, that's what I'm saying. Even worse because what an opportunity that people could have, you know, maybe we could start changing our tune. Maybe we could turn that hate train around. Unfortunately, it's not even real. I saw the picture. I thought, oh my God, I can't wait to talk about how amazing she looked. Wow.

And how great the outfit was I thought the outfit was so cool And then she posted on Instagram this morning It was like Katy Perry AI Wow Maybe she should post it anyway She did She posted the picture She posted the AI photos I gotta show you the outfit It was To the point where I think Kelly would be like Oh shit she looks really good

I think Katy Perry is gorgeous. So I would definitely think she looks good in a, in like, if it's a good Met Gala look, you know, sometimes she dresses like an asshole, but I would say generally speaking, she's, you know, she's gorgeous. The AI and the, she got the good AI treatment, her hair and makeup look fantastic. I gotta say. Oh my God. I know. Wow. How on, that is awesome. Right? Couldn't make it to the Met. I'm on the Lifetimes tour. Oh yeah, duh. Holy shit. First of all,

Complete with the sketch from the, the sketch, like the fake sketch of the thing. What the fuck? I hate that I love Katy Perry's outfit.

Oh my god. Whoever does Katy Perry's AI Met Gala fits eats every time. See, I forgot that that's like a thing that happens with Katy Perry. Right, I know. So do I. You fall for it every time just like Jason Derulo. This might be, yeah right. This could be up there if it were real with like a top five favorite look. That's an awesome look. I know. I was like, oh my god, this could be a best. She should hire that person for real. Yeah.

Damn. Well, good on her for posting it. That's a cool move. I know, right? Didn't she have some other thing, some other comment on comments with celebs? Like she had like a funny comment. Somebody was talking shit and she commented back. She's trying, you know, she's trying to win our hearts back. And I appreciate her trying. Yeah, she did. Yeah. And she wrote a whole long message to her fans too as well. Yeah, she did. And she does. Yeah. So.

But regardless of Katy Perry AI, let's go through some looks here. I suggest if you are listening, maybe watching, because not only will you be able to see the looks, you also may get a rogue olive cam shot. Because now she is snoozing. I can hear her snoozing. I can too. I can hear that breathing. Her breathing pattern has changed. I can hear her snoozing. Oh, she's sniffing now. She knows I'm talking about her. Headline, of course, Rihanna is that top photo for everything because she...

Bam. Pregnant. Always pregnant. Again. Second Met Gala pregnant. Yes. Second Met Gala pregnant. Third baby. Yes. Also, she's three for three on like fun, dramatic pregnancy announcements as well, which is exciting. As she should, you know. And that blue paparazzi photos that came out first.

With Diggs, you know, it's always a Diggs-y production. So I like that look better than this look. I think her... So she's wearing Marc Jacobs and she looks incredible. Obviously, the outfit is tailored to her bump. It almost looks like a corset, but like, you know...

not actually a corset. It's supposed to look like one. Tailored perfectly, cool shoes, great hat, little pussy bow happening around her neck, you know, a floating collar as well. But friend, I have to, like, I cannot lie to you when I say that the images of her walking through traffic... Mm.

a la Kelly Ben Simone, holding her umbrella in the rain, wearing that silk set with her bump kind of hanging at the bottom, was some of the chicest. I've never seen someone look so chic. She is the only person in my eyes that can get away with pregnancy fashion. And not saying other people look bad, I just never am like,

It never adds to the look for me. You know what I mean? I think that's fair. That looks incredible. I know it does. It looks like it could be... It looks like a campaign. Completely. It's insane. And she's got her diamonds. Yes. And she's just like carrying a fur. Oh my God. The shoes with it. It's just... It is so amazing. And maybe it's the New York City romantic in me that's loving most of it. But God damn. Right. I love it. But wait. Before...

Love Rihanna. Before we talk about anybody else, can we do a shout out to the carpet and the scene of the Met Gala? Gorgeous. Gorgeous. One of the better settings. Incredible. So the flowers lining the carpet are anemone flowers, yellow and... Anemone flowers?

Yes, yellow and white. Anemones. Anemones. People, you usually see them in white and blue, you know, like where the center is blue and the outside is white. I actually think you had some at your wedding. Yeah. I think Ria might have too. And they're a very, very beautiful flower, very full flower. So they're a funky color here. And then lining the carpet itself, it's like these, it's like flowers kind of falling. And they look a little bit like a cross between a daffodil, I won't lie. Flemington Furs, my hometown, makes the Met Gala red carpet every year.

Isn't that so exciting? Hometown heroes. Hometown hero. Hometown heroes. I love that. But it's my favorite carpet, I think, ever, like, that I've ever seen. I liked that one that was, like, a little floral and green and white, but it kind of washed everybody out. No, I thought this one was a really nice backdrop for everybody's outfits, too. Like, it really, the yellow and the flowers, like, really made everybody pop, I thought. Completely. Yeah. You know, florals for spring are always groundbreaking. Yep. But, yes, just wanted to give a quick shout out to the carpet, because, wow. Let's...

Roll through some of these. Perfect. Okay. Coleman Domingo. King. Fantastic. He was co-chair. Yes. One of many. One of many. There were a handful. And I loved this whole...

Cape situation. No, we scroll a little to see. And I loved the Valentino. She can't decide who she wants. I know. She can't decide if she wants to be around. Every time I put the camera on her, I swear she like is camera shy. She knows it. She knows. She's so cute. Stop putting a camera on my face. And...

There was like a good outfit reveal too. Yes. For underneath this, which I also thought was fabulous. He pulled it off. I had no doubt he was going to look amazing. And yeah, he does. He always does. He really always does. He's just, what a handsome man. He really always does. Very fashionable. Noah, scroll up for a second because I think, was that? I mean, that's Diana Ross who we'll talk about. Yeah. Also, unbelievable, 18 foot train.

Yeah. Insane. Yeah. She, so Diana, first time she's come to the Macal, I think 22 years she hasn't been there and she showed up and ate everybody up. Yep. Absolutely devoured every single person on this carpet, including her daughter, Tracy Ellis Ross. And Tracy herself was like, my mom ate up the room. Like, this is so insane. Look at that thing. So on the train, uh, I don't know if you, if you were able to, to see while you were, you know, uh,

Yes, I did. Managing the carpet. Yeah, explain. So there's not only other feathers along the edges, but on the train itself are like...

And sewn on beads that look like branches almost of a tree and embroidered within are all of her family members. So family members, her parents, grandparents, her children, their children, everyone in her family, which I thought was a beautiful and powerful statement. Yeah, big time. And I just, oh God, she just, she...

It's hard to say like, oh, best dress, worst dress at an event like this. But this was a Rihanna yellow dress moment. You know what I mean? For sure. Especially a return after having not been to the carpet in so many years. What a resurgence. For sure. Good for Diana. Lewis Hamilton.

Looking so good. Also co-chair, I believe. Also co-chair, yep. Very handsome. Love this. Love the crop. Me too. Like love the length of the jacket. Me too, absolutely. And I love a cropped suit jacket. Yeah. Wales Bonner. Yeah. That's a designer I don't know. Yeah. Great color. I love the hat. Yep.

Great accessories. Well done. Honestly, I thought, and I think, of course, with a theme like this and all about tailoring and, you know, black style and these really, like, great silhouettes and it really favored the men to show up. Absolutely. And really something, like, unique and tailored and, you know, you knew we were going to see a lot of the women in takes of suits and things like that. Mm-hmm.

But I thought the guys, most of them were great. Of course, you guys, you always have the ones that just like show up in a tux or a suit or whatever. Show up in a suit, yeah. You know, but I thought it was great. What did you think of Taequann Barkley? Did you see him? Yeah, fine. He just showed up in a suit. I thought the same about Joe Burrow. Same. Joe Burrow, my God, did he match that color to his eyes perfectly.

He is so handsome. I've never seen a jacket match someone's eyes so perfectly. I saw him at, he was hanging out with Sophie Julia at Aloe the other day. And I'll tell you what, I swiped up on her story. I said, girl, what? She was like, yeah, he just hangs out sometimes. He's so nice. And I was like, how can you work with him? I was like, how? He is, his eyes are out of control. Out of control. So it was like, my God, he looks so handsome. But he was in more of a trendy, boxy. Yes.

Yes. Suit when I felt like he could have done something really like tailored and of course it didn't fit him, whatever. But it was just more trendy now. It could have been a little more unique, a little more fashionable. But he played it safe. And some people play it safe. You know, not everyone's a fashionista. That's true. Pharrell, love it.

Pharrell and Louis Vuitton. We're going to go rapid fire through some of these or else we'll be here for three hours. We will. One quick thing about Pharrell though is that since he is now the new creative director of Louis Vuitton, he styled half these bitches. Like he, so many women on the carpet. That picture of them all together was pretty sick. It's a really cool pic. Yeah, so we'll, and we'll talk about that. What a talent, huh? Like not only can he do music, he can do like- Shout out Pharrell, it's my skincare. Yeah, yeah. No way. What? I've been using it for years. Pharrell has skincare? He sure does. What is this?

Man, he's got too many jobs. ASAP Rocky. Looking good. Great. I loved his hair. Yeah. I thought his hair was awesome. I thought he looked very handsome. Cool outfit. Yep. Funny enough, my brother met him on the street outside of my apartment the other day. You're joking. Yeah.

A$AP Rocky? Yep. Just like met him? No, straight up JB texted me and was like, A$AP Rocky's outside your apartment building right now. That's nuts. And he was just on the phone. Does that mean Rihanna's nearby? I don't know. I don't know. He said he was in running clothes and he was just like walking around. People were joking that after he just beat a case about having a gun, the end of his umbrella is like a revolver. Oh.

That is interesting. Emma Chamberlain. Not blowing me away, if I'm being honest. Usually I think she's got a better look. You think? Yeah, I do. That's fair. I like this, but this felt... This didn't surprise me for her. I feel like she always likes a big cutout. I still felt like it was fairly on theme. Yeah, it's on theme. It's just kind of boring to me. You know what? I really did laugh, though. We're not saying who it is, either. Yeah. Yeah.

Probably, maybe Chanel. Claudia, a girl with no job posted that to her, that she looked like the mom from Liz McQuarrie. Oh my God, yeah, she does with those glasses. With the hair and the glasses, it actually really, really does. Daringly side boob and a daringly low. Custom, oh, Corrige. Corrige. I don't know that brand. Yep. Sorry to that brand. I don't know that brand.

And she looks beautiful. Yeah, I mean, she looks gorgeous. But she always looks gorgeous. And, you know, she's one of the earlier arrivers because she does some of the interviewing on the carpet. And yeah, but again, didn't blow me away. I saw better looks. Lala Anthony, also co-chair. She's in Archival Off-White. She looked great. Yeah, half like jumpsuit, half dress. Mm-hmm.

I thought it was fun and interesting. Not my favorite as well, but, you know. She did a good job interviewing as well. Like, compared to this, like, Tiana Taylor is like, Tiana Taylor, out of this world. I thought this was incredible. She's wearing Ruth E. Carter and, Incredible. Yeah, she ate it up. Another interviewer for Vogue. The shoulders on that. Nuts.

I also love how she, so she was interviewing alongside Ego from Saturday Night Live and they both looked amazing, but she kept like, she would put her hand in her pocket and it just looked so good. Like she, sometimes when people put these outfits on, obviously you don't want the outfit to wear you, especially an outfit like this. And she is not someone who lets that happen, but she just, her stance while wearing it at all times, even if it's not like, she's not the star of the show at the exact moment, is still on point. Like she's in the outfit as long as she's in the outfit. And I appreciate that.

There you go, just like you mentioned. Looking good. Yeah, fine. Yeah, on the safe side. She's alright. Zendaya, out of control. Out of control. As always, another Pharrell, Pharrell slash Law Roach collab. Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. A lot of bell bottoms on the carpet. Yeah. A lot of bell bottom suits and the hat is insane. People are saying bridal. She is a bride to be. So true. What a chic bridal outfit, you know?

For this, it's like really Zendaya just is the queen of doing it where you take a relatively simple look and just take it to the next level. She's constantly elevating everything she's wearing. That is tailored to perfection. That fits her body so perfectly. Her waist, the way her waist is, my God. It's just a perfect cut. The length of the arms, the length of how the...

How the pants skim the ground at exactly the right spot. You know, you dream of a hat like that. Yeah, absolutely. I loved the hat just covering her eyes. Just so, yes. Like a perfect, perfect fit. Makes me want to get a hat like that. I know. She's amazing. Just amazing. Hailey Bieber is boring as could be. Boring. Sorry. Boring, boring. Black blazer dress.

Boring as fuck. Black blazer dress, that's it. Yeah, I knew it was Saint Laurent when I saw it because that's his thing. Big oversized blazers, whatever, blah, blah. Can I say something? She was coming out of the Mark Hotel and she was holding a martini. That to me, I thought that was like a prop for the carpet. And I was like, that's cool. If she shows up with a martini and is kind of like playing that old timey gentleman, you know, James Bond, whatever, fine. But then she, you know, ditches the martini. She's riding solo. Justin's watching the Maple Leafs, everybody said. Yeah.

And she looks like every other bitch. And love her. She's beautiful, but not for me. Yeah, I mean, her makeup looks incredible. She also had pictures with a martini glass in her after party look as well. So I don't know what she's got teasing. Maybe she's got... That's gotta be something. It's gotta be something. But why didn't she bring it on the carpet? Yeah, it's gotta mean something coming through the pipeline. I love a splash of theater. Yeah, this is just not like... It's not anything...

She could have done something really cool and this is very safe and boring. Agreed. Kendall. Kendall. Same thing. Looks beautiful. Very safe thing. Safe and boring. I was bored by her after party outfit too. Yeah. No, me too. Like I was like, oh, okay. She is obviously stunning as always. And the jewels are stunning and her, you know, her.

Her waist? Yeah, of course. The jacket is cinched perfectly. Completely. I think the necklace did all the heavy lifting. But I'm not blown away by anything else. Kind of a snooze as well. You know what she could be? I imagine Morticia Adams wearing that in a positive way. That's a compliment. It's just like when you see what everybody else did. It's like, come on. You could have done more. You could have done more. Ayo? Yes. Yes.

Ayo Adebari in a Ferragamo look, I would say I appreciate the effort. I know what she's going for. I don't personally like it. Yeah. Not my cup of tea. That's fair. But it's got all the elements there. I think it's just not my style. I think a lot of people thought maybe we would see it.

on a winter in some sort of suit or tailored outfit. Nope, she came in a dress. The most you're going to get is a suit with some coattails it looks like. At least it should, you know,

It is Louis Vuitton. Did you hear the scandal that she had a stain on her dress? No. She's got a tiny stain. I keep bringing this up. Tiny stain on her dress. That must have happened seconds before the carpet. Because otherwise, I think she would have changed her clothes. Yeah, right, right, right. You barely could see it. It was like a little red. Might have been some lipstick. Something got on her. And the sleuths of the internet, the anti-Anna crowd, were really trying to point that out. Right, because I thought... She looks the same as always. I think people thought maybe there'd be something a little bit...

A little bit different going on for her. For sure. People need to lower their expectations where Anna is concerned. Law Roach with his blonde wig. What'd you think? I liked it. I liked it too. I thought it looked great. I liked it. Yep. Wearing Burberry as well. Interesting for him, Burberry. I don't think I've ever seen him wear that. No. I liked it. Um, Tyla.

Or Jacquemus I normally love Jacquemus This is not hitting for me Especially after Tyla's Beaumont look last year With the sand It's just I had high expectations She looks great But not for me I like the pinstripe Yeah Um

It looked like maybe it just got slightly wrinkled in transport. Yeah, a little bit. And to be honest, pinstripes to me, it's a delicate dance before you start looking like Beetlejuice. And she's not there. Yeah. But I am thinking about it a little bit. Kylie and Ferragamo. Kylie is looking good riding solo as well. Yeah. Timothee Chalamet was watching the Knicks on an iPad. And he was in France, I think. I think he was in France. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because at first...

First, I was like, people were like, oh my God, he stayed in the hotel to watch the Knicks. I was like, okay, well, if he stayed in the hotel to watch the Knicks, he would be watching it on the TV. Right, right. Because, you know, he'd be in New York. Exactly. He'd be on TV. They were watching on an iPad. On an iPad, VPN style. Yeah, and he's like, post-guided story, like, I'm shaking right now. Like, he's just like... Hilarious. So, he also had an amazing night. I loved this from Kylie. I thought that this was... She was by far... I mean, it was only...

herself and Kim. No, Chris. No, Chris. No, Chris, which I thought was interesting because I feel like this is such a

This would be right up her alley. Chris loves the tailored suit. You're right about that. And you know what? So does Kourtney. Yeah. But Kourtney, I think. I don't know if Kourtney's still getting the invite. Kylie, by far, the best dress out of the three of them. I agree. I agree completely. Ferragamo, another interesting. I don't know if I've seen her wear that either. Because here's Kim, which I didn't like. I know it was mixed reviews on this. Some people loved it. For me, it's not for me. Boring. I don't like it.

I don't like And I'm trying not to be You know My mixed feelings on Kim As a person I can respect fashion And I just It's boring It's boring from her It's just like another Bodycon dress In a different Right Material We get You know Your body's an hourglass We get it Yeah Let's move on to something new Like that hat could have been Paired with something really cool And it was not Agreed Yeah the hat's the best part Yeah Charlie XCX And let's see And Dina Dina Lannister Good luck with that one

Danula Meester. Yeah. Okay, it's fine. Yeah, you know, all black. All black. It's hard to really tell the... Brats summer. When you wear all black like that, it's hard to kind of tell all the details... Yeah, agreed. ...in a photo. She does look... Her face looks great. Her makeup, you know, her hair is off her face. She looks, you know...

I like when Charlie kind of dresses up a little bit. I feel like she looks less grunge. And she's got a beautiful face. Chapel Road. Can I say something? Yeah. Bored. Really? Safe. Wow. Safe for Chapel. It's exactly what I would expect Chapel to wear. Safe for Chapel. Exactly what I would expect her to wear. And maybe she went safe for her first Met Gala, whatever. I think it's her first. Yeah. And she looks like David Bowie. Yeah. Love it. Cool. But ultimately, this is pretty much...

If I had to draw, like, what do I think Chopper Rowan's gonna wear, it'd look just like this. So I'm not blown away. - It didn't pull me in either direction, really. Usher looks handsome. - Handsome. Ralph Lauren, basic. - Classic. Sabrina Carpenter, also in Louis, amazing. - I loved hers, and can I point out one thing? So she's wearing this brown, like, high collar, it honestly is like with long coattails, a little bit of a British feel to me, is when I saw it at first. Then I went back and looked.

Not to bring Barry into the conversation, but Barry's outfit for the Mecca last year was a brown suit that was very similar with like a cravat up top. Oh, interesting. And also Louis Vuitton. So kind of funny. Interesting. I know. No, I love this. I thought this was great. It did make me think of the fit the Kendall wore not that long ago. And I loved that look too. Which was also fantastic. That was for the Karl one. The Karl Lagerfeld. Very good. Yes. Yep, yep, yep. Mm-hmm.

Jenna Ortega, I'm on. This was all made out of rulers, I believe. This, I don't know what it looks like. It's like, I have no idea. It was. It's gorgeous. It's really cool. It's really cool. I will always praise Jenna Ortega any chance I get. She looks fantastic. Tiny waist, like beautiful face. Yep. Everything about her gorgeous. I also like how she stays consistent with like her look and style. Yeah. Like she's always kind of.

Dark Empress vibes. Yeah, 100%. Which I love. Nicki Minaj. And Tom Brown. Yeah. Yeah, just looking like Beetlejuice now. I think everybody kind of expected there to be a lot of, you know, Tom Brown. Yeah, fine. It was fine. Although she's got like a floral sleeve maybe?

Something's going on there. That's cool. That's cool. Demi Moore, also in Tom Brown. This, so cool. So amazing. And Fran, I didn't even know what it was until this morning. Like, I thought, oh, yeah, I saw your story. But yeah, she's a human tie. Unbelievable. If you haven't taken a good look at Demi Moore's outfit, go to either my, you can go to my story, but go to Tom Brown or Demi Moore or Brad Goreski's thing. She's wearing literally like the, the,

Bodice part Is the You know Knot of the tie There's a Thing going around Her top of her head And then the Train of the dress Is angled Like the end of a tie It literally is a tie Yep Really really cool I loved that Monica Barbaro in Dior Gorgeous Love this I thought this was Really really pretty Another snatched waist Yep Love the hat Mmhmm

dochi and louis as well this i mean i think we expected this kind of look from dochi and she nailed it awesome the cigar obsessed nailed it love the color i love all the love that like yeah like that pop of burgundy yes um did you see the the hubbub of her getting out of the elevator i did i did i did i think who cares uh yeah i mean a little like a little bit a lot diva moment for sure but

First met. First met. And I think you probably really hyped that up and you want to have that moment. You don't want that moment ruined. Exactly. By somebody, you know, taking your video as you walk out of the hotel. So she went above and beyond. Yep. Cardi B and Burberry. I loved this. I am obsessed with this. I loved this. Most of all, her...

hair and makeup. Like obviously the dress, the outfit is nuts. The color is perfect. I love the color. Her hair and makeup. I didn't recognize her. Yeah. She looks unbelievable. Maybe best she's ever looked in my opinion. Yeah. Unreal. I thought that was a great outfit. Great outfit. Burberry really crushed it. Yeah. Keke Palmer and Vera Wang. Obsessed with this look. Love.

Also another one that was a little, you know, little funky, almost bridal. And, you know, it is Vera Wang. It is. And she's got like the leggings on underneath. Yeah. I love a cigarette pant. Yeah. Any cigarette pant that we can work into the equation, I'm on board. Yeah. And I love her, yeah, the little suit.

you know, kind of collar, lapel, I guess you could say. Suit lapels up top. Kiki P can do no wrong. I love her. Her hair too. Her hair looked amazing. The color was incredible. Yeah, she really can. So good. Oh, Lauryn Hill. Oh my God. And Stella McCartney. Gorgeous. I think this is one of my favorites. With the umbrella. Right? With it. Like, just a beautiful combo. This is really one of my favorites. I wonder if that umbrella was like a last minute addition for the rain because it really kind of

Especially with the yellow and the flowers and the carpet. Perfect. Aesthetically, absolutely blew me away. Blew me away. She looks amazing. The yellow, so good. The...

Just silhouette, the piece in the back. Yeah. The whole thing, just fantastic. Gorge. I absolutely loved, loved, loved that. I thought that was awesome. Absolutely. Gigi Hadid in Miu Miu. She looks beautiful. She does look beautiful. This was apparently an ode to Josephine Baker. Ooh. Yes. Okay. She was styled by...

Gabriella, you know what I'm talking about. She's one of the editors for Vogue. Carifa Johnson? Gabriella Carifa Johnson. Okay. Yes. That's fabulous. So this was, you can see the old pictures of the comparison of where the dress, the inspiration for this dress came from is this very stunning dress that Josephine Baker wore to, I think it was like maybe some award event of some sort. Hmm.

I have to be honest I knew nothing about this yeah I didn't do a lot of research into Gigi's look I just thought that she looked really good normally she you know she I would put Gigi in the mid range of looks when it comes to the Met Gala I wouldn't say she's like then I've never really got she's the number one best dressed and I've never even come close to thinking she is worse dressed or boring or anything usually she kind of plays it right in the middle that's the photo couple oh that's

so cool wow that looks great so this is Gigi Deed wearing custom emu style by Gabrielle Kriva Johnson pays homage to designer Zelda Wynn Valdez the first black designer to open her own boutique on Broadway in New York wow yeah so I love that I think the dress is the love the hair makeup beautiful beautiful gorge um

Tom Ford looking like Tom Ford Tom Ford and Tom Ford yeah yeah Tom Ford and Tom Ford he's handsome Tom Ford I'll say it 100% tough for Anna Swyte fashion faux pas tough for Anna Swyte which is it tough for her or Zendaya no no unfortunately if you're going up against Zendaya you're always gonna lose but Zendaya can't be happy

No, but no matter what, it's like, oh, yeah. Zendaya's a co-chair. It's like it's her party. Yeah. And and Anna Soai shows up like this in Dior. Yeah. And I just don't understand how this happened. Like I as far as I know, whenever there are big designers, you know, especially a designer as big as Dior, most of them run their looks by Anna ahead of time. This is what I've heard. So I don't know how much truth, but this is what I've heard.

Run the looks by Anna. Anna approves, disapproves, whatever. Tries to compare notes to make sure not anybody is wearing the same look. This look is so similar to Zendaya's look. It's like, I just don't know how it slips through the cracks. I feel terrible for her. It just doesn't fit as well as Zendaya's either. And I would hate, I hate to have to compare. But unfortunately, they're identical. I know. Unfortunately, it does suck that like, it's just Zendaya's was so well tailored that now that looks like bad.

That almost looks baggy on her. It does. Which is like crazy to say. It looks ill-fitting, which is sad. Which is crazy to say. Bummed out. Halle Berry. My God. And Laquan Smith. Gorgeous. Yeah. Showing off that body, Adi. Yeah, she sure is. With some panels. She sure is. Stunning. Cascading on the steps. High glum, F minus.

Heidi Klum Oh my god This is the first I'm seeing Yeah Venta Bearing vitamins And you might as well Try zero percent She get that off the rack Yeah The fuck is that I know I'm devastated Heidi Klum That was awful She's too much She's too focused on Halloween Yeah That's awful Okay Angel Reese wore Tom Brown I like this Oh my god

Fran, I did not even recognize that as Angel Reese. She looks great. She looks stunning. Great hair and makeup. I'm not a fan of hers. I think she's got a loud mouth and she talks a lot of shit for no reason. However, Real Recognize Real, she looks awesome in this Tom Brown outfit. Her hair and makeup looks amazing. Those earrings are gorgeous. Doja Cat and Marc Jacobs. Doja Cat channeling her best...

Fran Drescher almost. She said, yeah, look, she did. I think she referenced something along those lines. She was talking with Ego and Tiana Taylor, and she said that she wanted to feel like a madam. And she was like, I want the big shoulders. I want to walk in the room and feel like I command the room. And I think she did just that. She did that, definitely. Another one whose outfit happened to blend in well, or not blend in, but be...

well by the background. You know, I feel like she looks good amidst the carpet and flowers. Yeah. Sweet. She just she like jumps up and down from the chair and I think she's like, I can't escape that camera. I know. Yeah. She's like, get it off. Okay. It's enough. Jaden Smith. Jaden looking fine. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Some people you're just like, okay. Yeah.

Again, not bad, but not good. Sophia. Sophia Richie in Tommy Hilfiger. It's a stunning dress. Stunning dress. She's wearing it well. She's got simple hair, simple makeup, letting the dress speak for itself. I appreciate that. Tommy Hilfiger, though, I hope we come upon the other, the Tommy Hilfiger, the outfit that really stood out to me. I don't know if you saw it. His name is Damian Idris.

Oh, oh, oh. Yeah, he's going to be in the F1. F1, yes. So he showed up. Well, hopefully it comes up. Nicole Schroesinger and Prabal Garang. Love Prabal. And she looks good. I thought this was Kim Kardashian. Really? When she came on. Interesting. I guess they do have kind of a similar look. Yeah. She looks good. Yep.

Lana Del Rey. Valentino. Kind of boring. I was really hoping to see her husband on the carpet with her. When she was getting ready, she was posting pics like kissing him. So he was around. I thought for sure he'd come on the carpet. That would have been something. That would have been nuts. Sidney Sweeney. Sidney Sweeney, Miu Miu. She looks gorgeous, obviously. Dress is beautiful. Hair and makeup is beautiful. Did she necessarily like nail the theme?

Not so sure. So sure. Yeah. I think that she just looks hot. Yeah. Looks hot. And the dress does fit well. It fits her unbelievably. The tailoring is really nice. Right. If you were to go fully just on, you know. Perfect amount of boobage as well. It is tailored to perfection. Jeremy Allen. Oh, excuse me. Jeremy Allen White. Yes.

And Louis Vuitton Another yeah We gotta get that That big Pharrell pick By the end Yeah Looking good The Louis Yeah Louis really Knocked out of the parks Shout out Pharrell Nothing too crazy Yeah

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I love Lakeith Stanfield in this in Ferragamo. Oh, he looks great. I thought that was awesome. I love that hat. I love that cream. Kind of like a train. The front, like the pels kind of like went into a train type vibe. Yeah, it's awesome. Really cool. Very nice. Miranda Kerr and Dior, pretty and boring. Exactly. Pretty and boring. Nice necklace. Yep. I'm over it otherwise. Brian Tyree Henry. Love him. Love. Love this look. I think a

a lot goes without saying right you hear this you think suit you know there's gonna be like a lot of black white grays which a lot of people stuck to so it was nice to see when people still took like a suit and gave it a good pop of color agree because it wasn't you there wasn't too many I love when people take a fashion risk yeah I love it thought that was really cool agreed Nick and Priyanka here we go giving their best Prince Eric and Cruella de Vil yes

yes tell me nick jonas is not like okay prince eric a billion percent both in balmond yeah i would say yeah there there is there that's the best way to describe it strategic pose strategic pose on the stairs on the stairs yeah shout out to nick for for knowing his angles yeah and that hat especially with the hat it's hard to pose like to someone with a hat like that it really is priyanka looks stunning they both look awesome yeah i think even nick nick's looking like thick in the

Thick in the pecs, you know? Like that shirt's doing it for his upper half. Yeah. And then the little... No, he looks very handsome. He looks great. Prince Eric, my favorite prince. My favorite prince by a mile. Not even close. Not even close. No contest. Is there a... I said there's not even a second prince that could...

I can hold a candle. Nope. Nope. There's really not. Not at all. Ooh, Sarah Snook. Sarah Snook. Not sure who she's wearing, but looking great. Obviously right in the middle of that massive Broadway play she's doing where she plays like

20 different people or something. Crushing it. Gorgeous. A lot of buttons, it seems, and a lot of the strong shoulders. Janelle Monae. She always, look, she's always going to wear something unique and cool and Tom Brown, and this is exactly that. Optical illusion really just...

Like boxy and yet structured at the same time because of the design. Really cool. She was also doing like a bit about it. Like when she was on the carpet, she would like pose and then like, you know, kind of train her face to be like this. It looked like she wasn't breathing. Yeah, she would sit there. But then she was also like moving her head just so. She was kind of like a mix between like, you know, fashion and tech.

which I feel like is kind of her thing. She likes to appear as a trippy robot. Right, right, right, right. Tom Brown helped her succeed. Oh, Andre 3000. Andre 3000. He wore a full-blown piano. A full-ass piano in Burberry. Piano like a backpack. All I kept thinking about was how heavy is that piano? He released a piano album as he walked the carpet, I guess. Yeah, he did. I love him. Smart. Love. Smart. Natasha Lyonne. I'll tell you why. I liked it.

I liked it because I liked her hair, if I'm being so real. Okay, that's fair. I think she's an Alexander McQueen. But what does this dress have to do with it? It's definitely nothing. It's got high collar, long sleeve. It's sheer. We're not sure how it is theme-wise. It's very see-through. The way she was standing was almost uncomfortable. I don't really know if she loved her own look, but I will say her hair is...

stole the show like I was I'm barely looking at anything else and that's just a personal preference it's a little brave for me that is true yeah it is Quinta Brunson another one where I was like you know like you said the stripe yeah borderline Beetlejuice I really liked this I really love her I love her and she's wearing the shit out of this outfit she is Sergio Hudson wearing the shit out of it good for her she is she is

Definitely. Oh. Regé-Jean Page. Love the red. Long time no see. Love the red. Love the red. He looks great. He's so handsome. So it's like he could show up in a paper bag. He is really quite handsome. That is very true. Amelia Gray actually really turned some heads in not a good way. I hate this look. Valentino. Despise.

Yeah. I don't like anything about this, to be honest. It looks like, I don't know, like 20s, but boudoir shoot. Yeah, I don't know. I just, oh, I don't like it at all. It didn't work. Not good. And I feel bad because she's really trying hard to break in and be respected as this fashion. Yeah, I don't think any part of it worked. You gotta lose sometimes, and that was a loss. Rachel Rossahan looking the same as she always is, to be honest. Yeah, pretty, but once again, it was just, you know, well fit. It's a well, you know. Mm-hmm.

Rosalia, same kind of thing. Balmain. That dress is her body. Like that is basically like, it almost looks like plaster. She should have worn that for Heavenly Bodies, if I'm being honest. That's fair. Last year's theme. Wait, hold on. Wait, is that Caleb from Stranger Things? Caleb McLaughlin, Dior. This is the kid from Stranger Things. Yes. Amazing. He looks awesome. I was blown away. He looks incredible. I said, oh my God, is that the kid?

Is that the kid from Stranger Things? Caleb McLaughlin. We were just scrolling. I can't believe it. How has the new Stranger Things season not come out yet? And he looks like he's 30. I have no idea. I know. He looks fantastic. I didn't see him last night. Yeah, right? Excellent. Isn't that cool? Great look. And I love all his fun little brooches and everything. Pops of color. Yep. Nicely done. I know. That was good. I like that a lot. Me too. Shakira was another miss for me. Shakira.

I want to respect, again, I respect someone who's willing to go through the trouble of dragging a train up those stairs. And I do like Prabal Garang. He's a big, I'm a big fan generally of his work. And I will say that her dress was this big pink thing. His suit jacket was white with bedazzled cherry blossoms embroidered in it. And I said, I'm sorry, you're upstaging the bride. Like, I love your jacket more than I like Shakira's outfit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I like Tessa Thompson also as well. She was... She looks cool. She looks very Alice in Wonderland. Yeah. Yeah. Mad Hatter tea party vibe. Laura Harrier, I think is maybe my favorite. She looks unbelievable. I had... Until today, I had no idea who she was. Really? Yeah. I don't watch... The two shows that she's in, I don't watch. And then she was like, oh, she was in like Spider-Man. Yeah. I just missed her completely. This outfit is stunning. I love it. Once she posed in it perfectly. Yes. But...

In Gap Studio Which is so cool Worked with Zach Posen And I mean I'm just obsessed with this Really I really really am I think this is gorgeous The sleeves are exciting The pant legs The wideness The structure of the top Yeah Yeah I would say the big pant legs Make her waist even smaller somehow Yeah Like it's just It's like a fun optical illusion Beautiful So good Material Love it Liz

Lizzo in we're not sure but fine I actually said Lizzo looked okay yeah the best I've seen her look on a on a Met Gala red carpet yeah probably ever I think that's yeah I think it's good her hair looks I think it's good Jalen Hurts and his now wife Brie how adorable they look awesome oh not only I dropped I will I have to admit the first thing I did was zoom in on her left hand and

because they were recently married and I wanted to see the bling she's got going and I was impressed. The ring is gorgeous. Her dress is gorgeous. Her nails, hair, makeup, outstanding. Have you ever seen a more beautiful couple? No. It's just, they're drop dead gorgeous. And Jalen is so fucking gorgeous.

He's so handsome. I know. I'm a fair weather. I don't have an allegiance to any football team, really. But Jalen Hurts makes a strong case for the Eagles because holy shit. And I love his hat. We love a man who takes a fashion. Love the hat. That's kind of become a look for him. He also had really cool detailing on the top of his jacket. It's hard to tell. I believe he had some kind of, did he have like a cape? Not really. It was more of the jacket. Yeah, yeah. It was just the jacket. It's hard to tell with a black.

Angela Bassett and Burberry? Yep. Cool. I thought that was cool. Very cool. Kind of Doja Cat-esque. Oh, there he is. There he is. Yes. I know what you're talking about. Yes. He had a full reveal. Damson, sorry. Yes, Damson. Damson Idris. He had a full reveal. So exciting. He's going to be in the new F1 movie. So he showed up wearing a bedazzled F1 helmet as well as a full F1 bodysuit complete with...

that you would typically see. And of course, they ripped it off his body and beneath he had a beautifully tailored dark red suit with a pocket watch and a crisp collar. And what a handsome guy. Oh my God. Bell-bottom pants as well. Very 70s. Good look. Really cool. Good look. Really cool. I loved the little performance on the carpet. And Tommy Hilfiger also. Yeah, loved the...

Chance the rapper I liked a lot too Chance looked great I really liked it He When he came in I Maybe because he had the hat And the glasses I didn't recognize him at first either Yeah He looks amazing I think Versace I think Yeah Russell Wilson And Ciara Looking good Yeah Ciara's beautiful Russell Kind of boring Yeah Overall Standard for Russell I think Yeah I'm not blown away by this couple I don't I don't

Love her dress. Yeah, me neither. I appreciate the idea, but... Yeah. Shibuzy. Shibuzy? I love this. Obsessed with this. I love the turquoise beading. He... So I was saying this earlier that Shibuzy is the kind of guy, like, I am a Shibuzy fan. I don't care if he just has that one song forever. Yeah. I think he seems to be

A kind, wonderful, exciting person who will put his all into everything. And I love to see that reflected on this carpet. He made sure that he was going to show up and show out. And I love this. I love it. I agree. Patrick Schwarzenegger looked a little like American Psycho. I loved it. I loved it. I loved the burgundy details. I like it. I think that the yellow is like a little too...

for my tasting. Yeah. It could be lighter maybe. I don't know though. I thought it was great. I thought it was great. I don't know why it kind of looks like he's like in Star Wars to me. Yeah. You're not wrong. It is a little Jedi robe. You're right. You're right. It looks good I think. Amy Lee Wood they went together the two of them. Yes. She looks adorable. Moral support. She finally addressed the feud rumors.

About Walton Gosling. What did she say? She said, I loved working with Walton. It was the best thing ever. He's going to be incredible doing SNL. It's the perfect thing for him to do. It's going to be hilarious. I'm so excited to see it. Good. Hopefully everybody can just chill out now. That's not exactly addressing the feud. It's just trying to be like, we have no issues. Yeah. For sure. Whether it's true or not. Again, everybody needs to move on past that. Stop making a mountain out of a molehill. Right.

That's all he had to do the other day. Yeah, right. I know. But he's a temperamental guy. He's an actor. You know, he's dramatic. Alicia Keys and Swiss Beats.

are just regardless of what you think about this yeah they're so iconic the two of them they are like that's a good matching couple they're very in tandem yes they're they're complimentary not only as as people but also in looks i do love the illusion of the stripes especially on her cape i agree i like i like the sleeves or whatever she's holding that looks awesome yeah it looks very cool

Colors. Oh, Serena Williams. Serena Williams. Yeah, yeah. Pretty. Serena Williams looks good. Pretty. It's a pretty dress. Edward and in full. Anytime anyone has a cape like that, I'm like, that looks like a comforter. Yeah. It does. Yeah, it really does. You're right. The way that falls, but totally fine. Totally agree. Hunter Schaefer in Prada. Pretty. Nicely done. Yep. Yep. Well-fitting. Well-fit. Yep. Jodi Turner-Smith.

Oh my God. Look at her. Look at that. The hat. And you know, I love the color. It's my favorite color. I know. Everything about it is great. That hat, I'm obsessed. The mixing of textures. It looks like maybe a little leather in there. This is like everything Kim Kardashian wished her outfit was like. 100%.

With like a leather and a hat. Yes. This is like, it's got the leather with the hat and the pant. Silk underneath. Satin, whatever. The boot. Yep. Perfection. If Kim walked out in this, I'd say best dressed. Right? But no. Jodi is a style icon. Burberry again. That's freaking amazing. Burberry might be my fave. Yeah. I really had some good ones. Ooh, Cola's Cola, who I love so much. Oh, Mary. Crazy outfit. Yeah. But expected from him. Yep. Cynthia Erivo. Yeah.

Chilling in Jiroshi. Yes, love. Looking beautiful. Very cool top. I don't have too much commentary on this. Me neither. I thought it was cool. It's very her. Yeah, exactly. As expected. No Ariana. Ariana didn't make it. Yeah. I thought that was interesting. She said she put something like, oh, maybe next year. I feel like she was busy or something. It's just maybe a lot, you know? Definitely. It's a lot going on. She's got too much going on. It's Tracee Ellis Ross I loved. I thought this was really cool. It is cool. Talk about like...

different silhouette still fit her but the way the pants are shaped and the bow and the really cool very very loud exaggerated you know a little camp almost definitely in a good way maybe she got some pointers from her besties over at RuPaul's Drag Race totally my

- Smiley. - Smiley. - Look, Gorge, she's... - Yes, it's stunning. - I love it. Her body looks insane. - Yeah, it's stunning. And if we're gonna go strictly on fit and silk, it fits her perfectly. That's tailored, obviously. - I also love, she's wearing a lia. I love anybody wearing a lia.

But that's an Alaya. Yeah. It's gorgeous. So automatically. You can tell her that you liked it in person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll let her know. Just let her know later. Suki Waterhouse. I thought this was cool. This was, in my opinion, a better...

of what Emma Chamberlain was doing. I completely agree. And we can't see the back of this in this picture, but the back was really cool. It's very similar. And yeah, and just really, really, she looks amazing. Yes. And I think that, you know, carries a lot of weight. She is a supermodel. Right. She's just so pretty. It's like ridiculous. And it had a cool train and a really cool back across. Yeah, so all around. A very like straight train, not like a big flowing background.

Gail King. Unfortunately, the hits keep coming for Gail. This looks awful. Hits keep coming. Send that dress to space, Gail. 100%. Stick it in that tube. Get it out of there. Put Katy Perry in it, too. Oh, baby. But leave Callum Turner on this planet. He is so handsome. Dream.

Him and Dua Lipa My god are they a perfect couple They really are I'm obsessed with them He looks great Dua I also think looks fantastic I don't know if she's like Coming up soon I hope so Dua looks great too Henry Golding I loved Love Good Different color This is the first I'm seeing First I'm seeing of this Right Gorgeous A chartreuse A dark Yeah Peridot perhaps And I love that one little Spider-man The one curl Curl he's got going Yeah he looks great I love Henry Golding Yep Speaking of I haven't seen Simple Favor 2 yet Megan Thee Stallion

To be honest, it's like a little bit of a lesser version of what Diana Ross was wearing. I completely agree. It's like a lesser version of, it's like a mix between Diana Ross and Keke Palmer and kind of like a low-key version of both. And I'll say this about Meg. She's always well-dressed. She looks amazing. She's gorgeous. Always down for the cause. I feel like she could have had something better than this. I appreciate the fur, but... Did you see she snuck her phone in?

and she was like posting videos like from inside the Mac. Oh, fuck. She was like, her table, I think was, it was like Angel Reese. And her invite's going to get, I actually thought that I was like, is Anna Wintour to find this funny or like, no, she takes away a shit ton of videos. Wow. And being like, I know I'm not supposed to do this, but like, I mean, she's going to, she'll know. That's it then. Damn. First time. Last time we see Meg on the carpet. Yeah. I liked Kerry Washington. Yeah.

I like this look too. I saw her coming out of the mark and she looked good on the move. Very pretty. Great hair. Beautiful, just, I don't even know the right way to describe, but like... The cut? The length? Yeah. I love the skirt. I love the shape of the skirt. Me too. I like how it's sheer as well. It's sexy, but classy at the same time. It's really pretty. Very nice. Walton. Walton Goggins. You know...

He tried. Funky. People love this. This is good for him for me, you know? I agree. And I'm not surprised by this. I think it's right up his alley. I think it's Tom Brown. I think so, too. It's not saying, but it looks like it. He's an actor. I said it before. He's a fashionista. He's always looking like he likes an outfit. We've all seen the GQ spread.

So I wasn't surprised to see a look from him. Luke. I was actually shocked to see Spike Lee not at the Knicks game and just walking around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow.

It's an important event to be at, you know? Yeah. Anne Hathaway, pretty. Pretty. Carolina Herrera. During her interview, she said that specifically she was hoping to be able to wear a shirt like that and that when it became an option in her outfit, she was overjoyed and that she's been dying to wear an outfit just like this for a long time. Well, good. I'm glad she found the event to do it. Yep. Great hair, too. Lisa. Lisa. Gorge. Loved her hair and makeup. Love it.

Love the jacket. Another Pharrell number. Yeah, apparently there were famous women's faces on her panties. Yes, including Rosa Parks. Including Rosa Parks. Which is causing quite the stir. However, you know, Pharrell dressed her. So I don't know. Right. And Lisa's... Yeah. She's famous as hell. Right. I don't know if like...

Yeah. Am I offended? I don't know. Are people offended? Who are we to say? Well, yeah, but like, would you be offended by anyone's faces on panties? I don't think I would be. I don't know. I don't know. But I think there's multiple people, no? There are. It looks like there's a ton of people. It's like a myriad of women. Yeah, so. I don't know. Imagine like you told Rosa Parks like one day,

A K-pop star will be wearing your face on her panties. Right over her regime. It is a little strange. It probably wouldn't be my first choice of look. But I mean, if Pharrell says, put this on, I'm going to put it on. I'm going to trust him. Hopefully not look like a fool.

Andrew Scott. Andrew Scott, I liked the color, you know, color. I don't like the mustard yellow shirt on the bottom, the very bottom. I'm not a fan of that combo. Yeah. But I love him. Oh, here's Dua Lipa. Oh, she looks great. Yeah. She looks beautiful. She really does. Funky hair. Yeah. Cool. Fits really well. Yeah. Ody, ody, ody. Wasn't blown away, but still, you know. Yeah. Great. Still gorgeous. Gabrielle Union and Dwayne Wade. Beautiful. Beautiful.

I love Dwayne Wade's outfit. Me too. And they always show up too. Dwayne Wade's another guy who is, he's comfortable in his masculinity. Absolutely. And he'll take a fashion risk. Absolutely. And we love him for that. And I think he did that. Yeah. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. Always.

Mindy Kaling, I thought this was cool too. Yeah. Different from Sin Studio. I don't know that. Harbison? Harbison Studio. Lorde wore this kind of like bandage type piece and then like the top was like just in the front. Yeah. She kind of teased that it was like an Easter egg for...

Something else she's got coming. I mean, I'm sure there's going to be a lot now that she's got a new album coming out. Yeah, I'll be honest. Lorde's outfit, boring to me. I loved Bad Bunny. Loved Bad Bunny always. I loved Bad Bunny. He always crushes. I don't know what he needs to carry that suitcase around for. That's like a piece of luggage, but I love it. He's really making his ad dollars because he's clearly a Prada toad. When he gave his interview, he gave it all in Spanish, which I loved. He's always doing that.

Barry Keoghan looking so thin right now from this angle. What? I know. Maybe he's got a different role he's got or something coming up. He must be because he's looking... From the other angles I saw on the side, I just thought he looked nice. I did not think he looked very thin. And right now he's looking super thin. Not seeing the designer, but he's in kind of like an Asian-inspired look. It did feel that way. Yeah. It did feel that way. Definitely. Listen, I'm a Barry fan.

I'm a Barry fan. Yeah, I am too. And I apologize for that. I loved this from Joey King. Your sister did too. It was like her favorite look. I think Joey looks awesome here. She's wearing a Miu Miu suit with a funky checkered printed shirt, funky printed tie. The suit itself has bedazzles all over it. They look like pinned brooches or just pieces of jewelry, whatever it is. I think it's really cool and on theme and different. Green and...

and good for her. She's another one. She's looking like the Mad Hatter, but in a good way. Yes. You know what I mean? Excellent. Her makeup too. She's got like a red. Yeah. Her blush is going all the way up on the sides of her eyes. Love it. Love.

Lupita Nyong'o Chanel stunning one of my favorite one of my favorite of the night this color blue is so gorgeous it's also so good on her let's not forget the maybe her first or no no the Oscars dress that she wore that's similar very similar color it's so good on her also a very similar material as that first dress except this time it's a suit and I love this beautiful chiffon I love this look for Chanel too like I think it's very very Chanel did a good job this year on the carpet they're starting to turn it around sometimes this Chanel stuff can be boring

I agree. Well, remember, everybody wanted to free Margot Robbie from her prison, but I think that they're stepping up. Yep. Small Biles looks cute. Cutie. Cute. Yeah. Love. Fun. Love that color. Yeah. Zoe Zaldana. Also Louie. I mean, really. Zaldana. Zaldana, yes. Sorry. No, but truly, Louie won the night by far. Like, Pharrell, award goes to you. Absolutely. He really does. I think this is...

so cool too. It looks awesome. The buttons all the way down the front and the sleeves, the cool hip silhouette. Yep. Love. Kind of like inverse. The bob worked perfectly for it too. Absolutely. The hair. Inverse hip, like whatever's going on there. Yeah, I love the bob, love the fringe, little bang from the occasion. The more I looked at this, the more I loved it. Me too. It looks great. Unfortunately, Maya Hawke in Prada might be my favorite.

Worst. Worst. Yeah. I don't like to say worst. I will say most looking lost. Yeah.

Yeah I don't see the theme here She looks misplaced Yeah She looks like She looks like she was late for like Again Heavenly Bodies Right You know fairy Little Red Riding Hood vibes Yeah I just don't See this at all The colors are doing nothing for her No For washing her out I know All of it Yeah Who is it Prada Prada Unfortunately it's a miss It's a miss Yeah

Sadie Sink Prada I'm okay with this I don't love this I think her makeup was really pretty I didn't love her hair I don't love her hair either it's funky hair but I'm just not I don't know if it looks great on her although it's nice to see it all off her face I think it's just like a lot of dress for her in a way you know yeah I agree

It's wearing her a little bit. All right, I think we went through basically all the major, major looks. I will say, all in all, I did love a majority of them.

Piddy Nyong'o is up there for me. Diana Ross, amazing. It's hard to beat Diana. It's hard. It's hard, yeah. Especially the story behind it all. Absolutely. Jaw-dropping. I know. I think that everyone in Louis really stole the show for me. Absolutely. And I think Pharrell, hopefully he's giving himself a big pat on the back today. Maybe a glass of champagne, feeling happy, perhaps. Nailed it.

Oh, no, you missed it. You made a great song, punk. Oh, come on. Oh, come on, Noah. Fuck, Noah. I did that for you. Regardless, yes. I think if anyone had a shred of doubt that he would lead Louis Vuitton anywhere other than perfection, he's now been put to rest. He is doing a great job.

We're happy for him. And a lot of Burberry. I would say Burberry was great. Louis Vuitton for sure crushed it. Yep. Great Burberry looks. Happy about that. Prada snuck a couple of good ones in there, but a couple of misses as well.

And that's pretty much that. Really, not a super wide range of maybe just for our favorites that we're seeing of designers. I feel like the usuals were all stealing the show. Agreed, agreed, agreed. But a fun night and that wraps up all the Met Gala coverage and we'll be back for, oh my God, it could be a Met Gala, Met Gala combo again next year. Who knows? Oh my God. Who knows? But all right, let's get into the Pop Corner.

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All right, let's get into the pop corner. We're going to take your voicemails, hear what's going on. Of course, don't be alarmed when you hear they're addressed to Rhea. She is still not here, but we have Kelly. Again, I'm channeling Rhea. You saw glasses, leopard, et cetera, et cetera. Exactly.

Hi, Fran. We miss you, Rhea. I wanted to call in. I just listened to the podcast where you talk about Joe's new song, Heart by Heart. My friend pointed out to me that he didn't even really write that song. Lewis Capaldi did. So I was a little shook by that and also sad that it wasn't actually about Sophie. So...

Yeah. Damn. You know? Damn, that is really disappointing. That did just kind of ruin the song for me a little bit, I'm not going to lie. And I was just hyping him up on our Taylor Watch pod saying he would get your Harry Styles fix with that song. Also, just because...

it was written by Lewis Capaldi doesn't mean Joe didn't hear it and go wow I feel this way yeah I listen to Taylor Swift all day long and relate it to my life yeah like there could still be some intention behind it without question why else would he have felt like oh this song speaks to me enough to then put it on my album if not for the fact that he feels that way exactly I agree so

That's the land I'm going to live in. We'll keep up the fantasy, yeah. Hi, girls. Hi, Noah. This is Mary. I live in Boston. Saw you guys at the Christmas live show this winter. Absolutely love you guys. Murray reposted my sign on his story. No big deal.

So I'm calling today because I want your thoughts on something that you haven't talked about, but it just absolutely consumes my TikTok for you page. And that's the Daisy Edgar Jones and Paul Mezcal lore. I binged Normal People recently for the third time, and it just took me two full days to recover. I do not believe that that show is just acting. I think they're so in love. Plus, in all of Paul's interviews...

He always mentions her and he's posting her all over his Instagram, although he won't accept my follow request. So I can't actually see it, but I see that he does that. I just love them together so much. And I don't understand why they're not together. I saw a TikTok comment recently that said they do know they're allowed to be together, right? And I think that just summarizes it perfectly. So I would love to know your thoughts on this, especially Fran, because she is a Paul Mezcal girl like myself.

Okay, bye girls. Love you. Bye. I don't know. There is some kind of lore with the two of them where it's just like they... There's like such a deep love and respect that they don't want to break that bond.

I would liken them to a more serious version of Kate Hudson and Matthew McConaughey. How they have that true love and respect and appreciation and they work well and their chemistry is insane and we're always buying their love story whether it's highs or lows. Yeah, I think with Paul, and I don't know what the details are but it almost feels like Paul may be

Loves her so much. And she's just...

sees him as Paul, you know? It could be that. It could be one of those scenarios. Well, I said it before. I forget where I said it, but the, you know, Gracie Abrams does give a little bit of Marianne vibe, you know what I mean? Not saying that Paul is always Connell, but I do think that Gracie is a little more Marianne than, you know. That's fair, that's fair. You know? So maybe he does, maybe he likes that vibe, but yeah, I think that they have a, from what it seems like, they have a sacred friendship thing.

and possibly a connection that none of us will ever understand. But we love their friendship regardless. - I really do think having to film a show like that is just such a unique experience that not, we just don't know what that feels like.

It's so intimate. So intimate. And you have to really get close with the person for it to be believable. So they did that. I think that kind of just gives them an abnormal relationship. For sure. And there's just that trust that you have to build. It's another level. Hi, Rhea and Fran. Love you guys so much. Rhea, congratulations on your wedding. You looked absolutely stunning. I'm loving my honeymoon. I have a...

I guess that started kind of as a bit. And now I'm like actually kind of annoyed about it. And I want your thoughts. So my boyfriend and I have been together for like seven years. We've been together since high school. So,

So, obviously, I'm very close with his family. His brother started dating a new girl last couple months. Obviously, when his brother posted him and the girl, I followed her on Instagram. She never followed me back. It started kind of as a bit. I was texting my boyfriend being like, well, she never followed me back. Ha ha ha. This is so funny.

And then since then, now I've met her a couple times, liked her posts. They just went to a wedding over the weekend. I liked her Instagram story from the wedding, and she still hasn't followed me back. It started as a bit, and now I'm kind of annoyed because I'm like,

We've met several times. Like, this is just strange to me. Do you not like me or something? I'm curious to know your thoughts. I know it's really not a big deal, but it started as a bit, and then now I'm kind of annoyed about it, actually. So curious to know your thoughts. Thanks, guys. Love you.

That is funny. That's hilarious. You know what? Fucking unfollow her ass. I identify. I completely identify with this. It would also like start as a bib but then turn into an actual rivalry for me as well. I would say yes. Either unfollow her yourself. Forget it. Or if you feel comfortable enough or if you're a brazen individual be like hey why aren't you following me on Instagram? Right. I think it

I think at this point, if you've been out, like, you've met her a couple times, you're liking her stuff, like, the next time you're in a social setting, say something, like, as a joke. Yeah. Or, like, oh, what, are you gonna follow me back? Are you gonna follow me back ever? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or, like, put, or, you know, show her someone on Instagram and then you start talking about Instagram. It's like, you know, my,

ease your way into that conversation. But it can be brought up in a funny way because it's not like it's been years and years where you're like, ooh, this is now really weird. But it is bizarre that she won't follow you back. I don't know what that... Maybe she doesn't think she'll be around for the long game. Maybe not. Also, too, maybe she's scared. Maybe she doesn't want to get in too deep. Also, as someone who I never pay attention to who's following me, so this has happened to me a lot, actually, with people that are in my life. Same. Same.

I actually am. Yeah. You know, yeah, I am. So maybe she's not, but I can't imagine she's getting such a such a slew of follows that she can't possibly see your like here and there. Right. You know, so I would say bring it up or unfollow her. Hey, Rhea. Hey, Fran. Love you guys. I am curious about what y'all think about the

these deluxe versions with all the unreleased tracks that weren't on the original album. Personally, I'm a little sick of it. I think if you have a great album, let it be a great long album, but why do we need to...

released three additional deluxe albums with five tracks and then there's the record and the cd and it just seems a little excessive and it's really all just to chart again after the album is released why can't you just make one perfect album put all your favorite songs on it and we'll love that so curious on your guys well that is unfortunately a naive way of thinking lady certainly certainly that feels pointed and now i feel like i know why noah put that uh

with that voicemail in here. But a lot of artists do is, of course. Point it towards Taylor Swift? Yes.

Yeah. Has she done that? You're the worst. Oh, so actually it's funny you bring this up and funny this girl brings this up because we did actually have a conversation about this recently because of Ariana's deluxe album that just came out recently. I said, is everyone doing deluxe albums now all of a sudden because Taylor did some or have they been doing them all along? And we did our due diligence and almost every single pop girl has put out some sort of deluxe album within the last five to ten years. And boy bands too. Multiple times. A lot, yeah. I think,

I think something that has to do, obviously it's, it's capitalism. Look, Taylor does it to an excess that most don't. Mm,

I disagree Billie Eilish does it more than anybody and Charlie XCX no one put out more deluxe bullshit than Charlie XCX you can buy this song at Target yeah but that's new Taylor hasn't done that until like Eros Tour I think in the past few years not just Taylor like everyone has it's gone in excess definitely deluxe albums have always existed it really doesn't bother me that much though because it's like okay I know I get it it's like oh if you have the songs already why not just put out everything on the album but

Maybe you're not sure about them and you put the album out and you're like, you're in between. I don't know. I don't even think it's that deep, Fran. I think it's literally like this is how... This is just how we do it. This is how it's done. And if you've got a problem with it, call up UMJ. You know what I mean? This is just kind of how things roll out now to stay top of mind because when someone puts out an album...

It's great for a couple weeks and then everyone forgets about it unless you remind people that it's there. Like, you know, Ariana Grande's Deluxe album came out a few weeks ago. I listened to it nonstop for two weeks and then until this past weekend I kind of forgot about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you need to, you know, you got to stay relevant somehow and in the days of streaming. And it does make you go back to the first, like, when I listened to those Deluxe songs for Ariana a lot too. Me too. And then it reminded me how good Eternal Sunshine is. Yes. And I was like, ooh, I'm going to play the whole album from the beginning again. Exactly. And that's by design. So any of the artists that do that. For sure, for sure.

do that like that. I think, I think like literally Brat has still more deluxe albums coming out and singular songs and a remix with Lorde and a remix. Like,

Charlie did the most this year. She did more than Taylor. Like if you put them side by side, she did more than Taylor. I know that's hard to believe, but it's true. Everybody does it. So yeah. Yeah. Let's do one more. My name is Emma and I have kind of a hot take, but we're just a statement too. I want to get your opinion on this.

My hot take is that 90s rom-coms are the best rom-coms to ever be made. I know there's a lot of early 2000s, some 2010s rom-coms, but a 90s rom-com specifically with Tom Hanks is unparalleled. You have Sleepless in Seattle. You have You've Got Mail, or really any 90s rom-com that gives When Harry Met Sally. So I just wanted to get your hot take on that as well.

So yeah, love you guys. Bye. Yeah, 90s are elite. Those early 2000s are also really hard to compete with in my mind. You know what I think it is, Fran? It's that a lot of those movies and shows came out when people were still just like,

enjoying movies for what they were and they're all packed to the brim with cheese but we still were like you know what this is sweet let's let's disappear in this story right let's let's pretend that it is likely that Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan would somehow meet over the airwaves in fucking Seattle yeah late night radio like that's not or you've got mail whatever they're all those stories honestly bleed together for me regardless we

Some of those Julia Roberts ones too Yeah Oh the Julia Roberts My best friend's wedding Oh my fucking god Like just such good You know Storytelling But again like

people were willing to accept the story. Now everybody nitpicks and Rotten Tomatoes score and whatever, so I think that it's harder to make a rom-com now. But Harry Met Sally, I think, is the best rom-com of all time. It's so good. I certainly won't disagree. I think 90s are really, really, really up there. But if you were to, like, late 90s, early 2000s, forget it. It's, yeah. Yeah. Because those early 2000s, and I just also think, specifically, rom-coms are, it's just a genre that is so...

that I think really affects people where it's like you find your favorite rom-com and you watch it 40 million times. Oh, absolutely. Like you've seen it. Bridget Jones' Diary. Exactly. The amount of times I've seen that, sick. Exactly. Like there's just certain movies that resonate so much with you and then you'll like that. And it also has to do with like what era you grew up in. Totally. Because when you watch those movies for the first time as a teenager, it's like life changing. Yep. So...

When you grew up at that time and then yeah, like exactly for me, that was a time where I was like, oh my, that was a life changing movie for me. Do you feel like recently it's more about the couple,

Like when rom-coms come out, like the Sidney Sweeney effect, where like people like to talk about, oh, are they together in real life more than just enjoying the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. That's a good point. There's a lot of offline chatter. It's like they can't just promote a movie and put it out. It's always... Like the storyline is like, if it's scripted, which she says it is, like off screen is more...

- But that's the thing now is like we as a society need to really be sold on the love story in order to enjoy it. Whereas like if you see Anyone But You without the hubbub, I still am enjoying- - Totally. - "Midnight Pal and Cindy Sweeney." They have great chemistry. But because of all the hubbub- - I almost find it, it would be better like without the- - Yeah, yeah. - 'Cause then I'm like, oh, like are they actually like you're thinking about their-

- I don't know if that's also like the age of social media and everything that's changed that, you know? - Yeah. - It's like 'cause people, the age of social media has changed it so much where people obsess so hard about leads in whatever, romance, TV, movies, whatever it is, being together in real life. We just talked about it with normal people. It's like, people can't fathom

That there isn't an actual connection outside of the movie or TV show. People like Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan have to be together in real life. I don't know. I bet you people thought it, but there was just, it just was a different time. People weren't getting followed around. They weren't getting filmed every second. They could do stuff in private. Like, you know, you're when you're casually discussing your favorite movies with your friends over brunch, it's different than having like a long winded discourse on Twitter about it, you know? So, yeah. Yeah.

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You look fabulous. Oh, thank you. I'm in New York, so I got to dress it up. The outfit is amazing. And good for you because it is gross in New York right now. I didn't realize it was going to be raining and kind of gloomy. I know. I know. Well, I'm so excited that you're here. Rhea, my co-host, and I are obsessed with the Valley. She's on her honeymoon right now. Aw. Aw.

So she's having a blast, but I know she's ready to catch up on these episodes. But there's so much to talk about. How are you feeling watching this season back already? Just the first few episodes are so intense.

It was hard to rewatch. I mean, it was a hard time last summer and I finally like move forward and moved on. And then as soon as I watched it, I got all of the feelings back. So I'm just trying to remember like it happened months and months ago and I'm just trying to move forward. What's that feeling like?

having that in between time when you do move on with your life, you do move on. Like what do you think about? Oh gosh, it's like, is it nervous, nervous energy before the show comes out? - Yes, it is because we don't get to see it. We just saw it recently. So it's like you continue your life and you were like, you don't know what it's gonna look like after all. And then you rewatch it. So it is a very interesting and unusual, unusual dynamic.

I want to go back pre the valley where it's like what what were you doing because I know they talk about your real estate business a lot on the show but we don't really get full glimpses of it so what was life like pre the valley yeah and I wish that in the future you get to see that because that was really my world yeah I always knew I was going to be in business my family was in business I got a

marketing and finance degree. So it was like my, I always knew I wanted to sell houses. So I started doing that as soon as I graduated from university. I was about 22 and I sold 19 houses in my first year. So all I ever knew was sales and buying and selling in the real estate market. I never in a million years ever imagined I would do something like this ever. How interesting

How did that even happen then for you? Because I know it does feel like a lot of you were Vanderpump adjacent, really friendly with a lot of that cast. Is that kind of how the valley formed for you? Well...

So, Jesse and Jax used to be roommates in New York like over 20 years ago. They had a falling out. They didn't speak for a very long time. And when Jesse and I, I believe we were married, he reconnected with Jax and I met Brittany.

And the moment I met Brittany, we clicked. Like we were very similar in a lot of ways. And we would just spend a lot of time with Jackson Brittany. And Brittany loves to throw parties, have people over her house. So I just organically was meeting everybody. And like little by little, I became close with Sheena. I became close with Kristen. I just became in that world.

And once I had a baby, they mentioned like, would you ever want to do something like that? And I was just so like, you know, I had a six month old baby. I didn't really think it was going to happen. I was like, yeah, yeah. Like just put our names in there. And then finally it just like really became a reality that we were going to do it. What were the conversations like with Jesse at that time about joining the show? Because...

I think watching reality TV, it's when you see couples decide to do reality TV, you think, wow, what is that foundation like? Because reality TV is so hard and then it's so much scrutiny and all those things. Was there any nerves about your relationship when deciding to do the show? So when we were first pitched the show,

Isabella was a baby. She was still really young and I was very lonely at the time. And so things were bad, but they weren't that bad. He was just not present. And so one, I didn't think it was going to happen. And then when I realized it was kind of green lit in the beginning, they're like, you're going to start in a few months. And

Honestly, I was a little naive about it. I had never watched reality TV. I thought I could kind of hide that part of our relationship. I was happy to be open like we have problems, but I was also very confused. I had no idea at that point whether I was going to move forward or not. Like I was in that in between stage every day going back and forth.

And like it takes a lot of courage to make that decision. And at that time before season one, I didn't know if I was going to do it. So it's interesting then because it's like you see you share so much now on the show. So I it's a how was that change for you? Because.

You can really tell when people on reality TV are holding stuff back because people dig and they find what's happening. But it feels like you guys have been extremely open about now what went down in your relationship. So did something change for you to be like, you know what? We're sharing it all. Yeah. I mean, I obviously watched season one and I understand. I'm looking at myself and I know what I was thinking in that moment. But I was like, I'm not going to say it. And I also didn't know how it worked. And yeah.

I was just going through so much. My mom was also really sick. And so it was just a combination of like me dealing with my stuff internally. And I was like, okay, well, if I'm on on reality TV, I have to speak about my problems. And so I kind of have to, I had to grow as a person as well to be able to be open. And so I kind of am still learning to be open. When you started to film, like,

the second season and had to be back in all these social settings with Jesse, how did you mentally prepare for those moments? So naive of me. I thought like I got,

so much hate on season one about all of these accusations and things about me that I was like, I did the heart part. It can only get better from here. Like what more can happen to me? What more can be said about me? Like, so I thought that it would be okay to,

And actually before filming, Jesse and I sat down and had a conversation. And I said, you know, for the sake of our daughter, let's keep certain things private or not discuss it. And like, let's try to co-parent well. And so we kind of made that agreement. And as soon as cameras picked up, he threw everything out the window. And I was very angry about that. But I've learned to move on from it. Yeah.

That is true. It does feel like immediately...

the accusations from him started flying. Watching it back, are you learning new things of what he was saying in his confessionals and things like that of cheating accusations and all these things that he's throwing around? Yeah, for me it was very hurtful and sad because the reality is he knew the truth, but he wanted to paint me

and have this picture of like, I'm this awful person and because I cheated and cheated and cheated and cheated and that's all he can say and think of. And obviously that's very disappointing. Yeah. Jesse did say that there, that you had told him that there was one instance. Was that actually true?

Correct. There was a small little incidence. I actually tried to leave him a year prior. And so I was already done mentally. I had already asked for a divorce. I had found an apartment and he he begged me back. And so I gave it another shot. Yeah. So, yes, you know, Jesse likes to say that there people have a moment of weakness and Jesse always has a moment of weakness. Well, I had my moment of weakness as well.

And I just felt like it was not the time and place and I was just digesting a lot. And like I never got my truth or my worth. Everybody was just making up things. What did you think of the whole thing?

You were going on hikes, but really it's because there's how he had the honey and you were bringing the honey home. And that's how he was connecting the dots on that. Something was happening with you and Aaron. I was cracking up and I'm like, I hope people can see that and just like laugh because yes, I knew Aaron before. That is very clear. You know who Jesse is with now. He knew prior to our marriage. That doesn't mean anything. And, and I tell him, I'm like,

If I was like trying to do something crazy, I wouldn't be bringing home the honey. I had nothing to hide. Like I did like the honey. It was sold at Runyon, which is a hiking trail nearby. I never wore makeup. I only wore makeup. I only wear makeup for like press and stuff. But like my day to day, I wear zero makeup. I wear no makeup. That was like complete false. And the ring thing was.

One, at that time in LA was very dangerous. People were getting robbed and stuff. And I had a very big and expensive diamond. And I'm walking down Sunset Boulevard and I'm hiking. I don't wear my ring. Exercising. Exactly. And he says the same thing. He didn't wear his ring. What does that mean? Yeah.

So it was, to me, very comical. And I hope that viewers can see that that's a little extreme. It was a bit of a stretch. There was also some stuff with Kristen...

And we heard what she said last season. It was just, she had a boyfriend for a year. But then she was like, oh, I meant a year ago. It's just like she changed her words around a little bit. Yeah, apparently she has a big problem with that. Yeah, right. I was going to say, how did it feel to hear her be like, oh, I misspoke and it wasn't Aaron?

I don't think she realized like the damage she did to me and my marriage. Not that I'm blaming Kristen. I was going to get divorced regardless. She just didn't help the situation, you know, and she,

I didn't know until I watched the episode that she said that, that I had a boyfriend for two years. And like, that's really big to say because I did not have a boyfriend period. So she, she had, she apologized then. And it took me a lot of time. Like I needed a lot of space. I'm a type of person that, you know, normally if you do something bad to me, I will just forgive and never talk to you again. And,

But with Kristen, I have worked on trying to move on. So we are cordial. I see her. We can have conversations. We're just not super close. Right, right. Because especially since what we're watching right now, it feels a little, as she says, Team Jessie is kind of that in-between. I got to talk about Dave and Buster's because that party was, one, hilarious in itself because everyone's at Dave and Buster's. But...

It really, it took a turn. Jesse's planned his trip to Santa Barbara. What was going through your mind when you were like, you know what? I'm going to have everyone vote him off the island. That was very dumb of me. If I could go back and undo that, I would. It was a weak moment. It's also like,

I was devastated because that was the first time I had heard that. So I was like, in my head, I'm like, oh my God, I am now called a hooker on national TV forever. There will be people questioning that there will be articles. And like, I just like, it just went all in my head. And I was also going through like, my mom was in chemo and it was very severe at that time. So like,

Of course I'm going to cry. I'm a human being. How would you feel if somebody said that about you? You immediately lash out. I would. It's such a crazy accusation. The boys' chat seems like a terrible place. Oh, it's horrible. It's one of the things I hated about my marriage because he was just 24-7 on his phone on the boys' chat, and it's just gross and unnecessary. That's so crazy to me. I'm like, they're all...

Adults. Grown adult men. Yeah, it's horrible. With children. And it's like a boys chat where they just talk about women. And their wives. Yeah. I mean, Jessie has said some horrible things about me on that boys chat that I later found out. Yeah. It's not nice to hear. No, it's definitely not. So I look, I don't blame you at all for being like, I do not want to go on a trip with

And I shouldn't have gone. But everybody, all my girls were like, you have to come. And of course, I want to go to Santa Barbara. And it was just very naive of me. I did think in the moment, like, he should stay at a hotel. He planned the trip. So everyone says he planned the trip. So that makes him in charge, I guess, right? Like, yeah, I don't know. I do feel like it's a battle in that scenario because, like,

You do. You're in the same group of friends. Yeah, we all have to be together. So it's like, but do you think you there was a fight almost to be like, well, I'm not going to be the one to not go to the group event. In my head, I was just not thinking. But at the end of the day, I was just like, he's the one that called me a hooker. Like, why should I not go? I mean, I get it now. But yeah, if I could go back, I would. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I watched this most recent episode. So this is, as everyone's listening, it'll be last night's episode where you guys do go to Santa Barbara. And there was like a full...

healing ceremony. Everybody thought it was very funny. I enjoyed it because did you? Yeah, I know it's either or it's you like you think it's bullshit or like you think it's helpful. I do like crystals and healers and stuff like that. Did you think Jesse was gonna buy into all of it or not? Because he was sitting there like I don't want to participate.

I mean, you see that he starts, he's on vacation, right? So he starts drinking champagne very early and throughout the day. So I don't really understand his mood. I just know he had been drinking all day and-

We were obviously both going through a lot. And that's one of the reasons why I went up to him because I heard that his well-being and his mind wasn't so well. So like I went to check on him because I'm like, even though I don't like you at the moment and I hate you, like you need to be OK because your daughter needs you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When he tried to hand you that white flag, what did you think? That pissed me off. It's like, why don't you start with an apology first? Just say, I'm sorry. But instead, if anybody needs the white flag, it's you. Do you think a little bit of him, and this is just from a viewer standpoint, that Jax was away in rehab, that...

Jesse was kind of like, I'm going to step up to be the head guy of the group. No, I just think you got to see a glimpse of who he was. That's who I was married to. And he had a lot of ups and downs. And I think you just get to see that. You said, which everybody was like, whoa, that says a lot. You had a line where you were like, Jesse was so much worse than Jax.

I hate the way it sounds. I was not trying to compare. I love Brittany. Everybody has their own situation. And if you ask Brittany, she'll probably say her divorce is going the worst. And I will say the same thing about mine. Like we all have different experiences.

What I don't like is that people know Jax and they've seen him throughout the years. And the reality is nobody actually knows Jesse. People don't know that side because we haven't been on reality TV for a decade. So I'm not trying to compare whatsoever. Like what Brittany is going through is intense. I can't even imagine and the drugs and all of that. But was Jesse in a similar place at one point? Absolutely. Yeah.

Because we have seen so much of Jax's journey, we're like, oh, this makes a lot of sense of where he is at now from what we have watched in the past. I think what we've seen of Jesse is him trying to paint a really pretty picture. And that's another thing that kind of upsets me because Jax is just Jax. He's not the smartest guy ever.

And one thing about Jesse is like, he plans everything. He's very calculated. He can be charming. He can put like a front on and he can deceive people to think a certain way. And that's where I'm like, you know, that is much harder to deal with a person like that. And that's what I really mean. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, I,

I understand that. I think that makes a lot of sense that we're very used to. It sounds bad, but I think fans of the show or Vanderpump, they're very used to seeing Jax like this. And it's a different scenario with some of these other guys. What was the feeling amongst the women? Because when this teaser came out for the season, it was just like,

oh, these husbands are down bad. Like everybody's getting into trouble. Everybody's doing things that they're not supposed to be doing. What were the ladies all kind of saying when they saw that?

I mean, honestly, it was so much. Last summer, we all had to go through something severe. I think there are some great guys, great husbands, but I don't know. It was a lot. Yeah, it is. You guys also do the after show, which is...

A lot of fun to watch because I feel like it's a whole nother show, really. You get so much more information of everything that's going on. And you've been very open on the after show kind of about where your relationship is now and these things that Jesse's been saying. So when do you say, like, you know what?

Let's talk about the money things. Like, let's talk about the money stuff because that can be... And Jesse's like, that's so personal. I'm not talking about the money stuff. Well, that was one of the things that we discussed. But he threw everything out the window from day one and he just kept doing it. And I was still being reserved at times and just not saying anything. But the reality is I left Jesse for...

multiple reasons and multiple big reasons. And one of them was financial problems and things that he did to cause the stress in our family. And so I had kept that. And I do think like

somewhat it should be private but at the end of the day like you're doing all of this to me like what am i protecting you the reality is like you did spend a lot of money you you were gone every day you did spend so much money on wine and this and that and

you're not supposed to do that when you're married. You're not supposed to just throw money away and like not think about your family. - Yeah, yeah. And you guys worked really closely together, right? Just within your real estate business. - We were business partners. So we worked with all our clients, we did everything. But once I had a baby, it was COVID.

And so we didn't have, you know, his family's in Boston. My siblings are in San Diego. So there was no help. There was, we didn't have nannies or anything like that. So I did everything on my own. And I had said, like, I want to be a stay-home mom forever.

So I basically kind of stopped working for a while. And once things came back up, you know, Jesse continued to enjoy life and have six hour lunches and get back home late. And he was just gone all the time. And it was not like to try to work hard to provide. Right, right, right. I feel like, do you think he was trying to just put out that he was living this sort of life?

lavish lifestyle and have that be his persona. Like, wow, look at him. He's doing so well in all the things. He's buying all these extravagant things to show how great he's doing. Well, he's always kind of been like that. He's always like...

the luxury lifestyle and we did sell to very wealthy individuals. So he wanted to mimic, like, I wanna be like you guys, even though we're not like you guys. And so that was the problem. He was always spending more than he should. And that's like, I say that, you can't be married to a gambler. Like you can't be married to these big issues that he had while we were married. - Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, Sheena and I are super close. Ever since I sold her a house and then our daughters hang out, we just like throughout the years have gotten closer and closer. So she's one of my bestest friends. So she understands, you know, dealing with Jesse, like she's one of the people that I text and like she's very supportive with me. So I love that I got to be with Sheena and Janet during that.

time because they know exactly what I'm going through and it has not been easy. Exactly. It was quite the teaser for part two of Santa Barbara that we're going to see next week. Potential looks like drink thrown and then

Did things with Santa Barbara like a big moment for you guys was like things kind of shifted after that trip or they were just. I mean, that was a very hard trip. I tried my best to not speak to him and be as far as part far apart and not like engage. And I tried my very best and.

Kristen had actually told me like, "Jesse's not doing well." He said some like really dark things about himself. And that is really the only reason why I went up to his room to check for his wellbeing. And immediately when I did that, I regret it 'cause he just like turned on me and said some awful things about me and I just couldn't take it anymore. So I might've thrown a glass of wine.

There might be a little part of that in the tease. So, I mean, it has been crazy to watch. I know it's probably...

for people to say, like, wow, the show's so entertaining and everyone loves watching it when it's like, okay, that's probably some of the most traumatic moments are now being filmed for everyone to watch. Yeah. It's been hard. Yeah. Do you, what is your way to kind of escape all the noise from the drama of the show? Like, how do you kind of get back into Michelle mode? I just, I,

I think self-care is very important. I walk every day and that really helps me. I try to stay away from the comments and the social media and stuff. And I have a beautiful relationship with my boyfriend and my daughter. So I just try to focus on that when I have her. That's, that is great. And I also saw you're in the podcast game yourself. I just joined. I'm with iHeart. It's called Pursuit of Sassiness because I felt like

doing everything I'm doing now, I had to be become sassy. And I think you get to see that in the season. Yep, definitely. So that's, that's great. And are you having guests on and conversations like that and showing more of your yourself on that platform? Yeah, and I didn't want it to just be about the show. I wanted people to know who I am. And you know, everything that I'm doing the last couple years is really out of my comfort zone. And

And all I am, you know, pursuit of happiness was the first thing I thought of. So I wanted to kind of open it up to talk about like divorce, divorce attorneys, co-parenting, just like all the topics, what it's like raising a daughter. Yeah, exactly. Zola.

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Can relate to that and can, and that's info that a lot of people don't talk about. Like it's a little more under the table kind of thing. Yeah, and I didn't know anything and like I wished I had listened to other, like other podcasts to know about like, if you're thinking about divorce, what is the first thing you should do? Yeah, and I also want to show a lot more of my real estate. I just had Ryan Serhant come on. Yeah, so I think it's going to be really fun and interesting. That's amazing. And everyone can listen to that

wherever they get their podcasts. Yes. And of course, tune into The Valley Tuesday nights, Bravo, nine o'clock Eastern. Like I said, it is, it's crazy drama between, you know,

Everyone's relationship, really. It is. And it's the entire season. It's not just one or two episodes. It's full-blown craziness. It is crazy because a lot of these reality shows, one or two couples, I feel, get the main spotlight. And with The Valley, everybody's got something. Everybody's got something. So it is...

It's very entertaining to watch, like I said. But, you know, kudos to you for really putting this all out on TV because it's intense. Thank you. Yeah. And I hope that like.

once the divorce is done we can just co-parent and like be in the same room it's not you're not finalized right we're not he said he wants to finally move forward so I'm like actions speak louder than words let's do it once I hear that but I honestly believe that we will be friends one day yeah it's just a matter of time right just yeah definitely well Michelle thank you so much for coming in and talking to me all right

Alright, that wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office. Thank you so much for watching, listening. Hopefully you watched today. Today was very visual. Visual day. Very visual, going through all the outfits. I mean, this fucking dog is so cute. I can't take it. It's ridiculous. It's just unbelievable. Worth the price of admission alone. My God. It really, like...

Look at her. She's sandwiched in here. And she's a perfect angel for how long have we been on? Oh my God. Two hours? So long. I know. I know. And her back, she curls her back legs like my, like my dog Flo does too. Where you're just like your little turkey leg. Your little turkey leg. Little ham hock. Love it. Oh my God. Okay. Thank you guys so much. We will be back on Friday. Bye. Bye.

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