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I think given what we've heard in this case, you would start with the mind chat. Now that said, my understanding is that going to be incredibly difficult place to search.

That's had to bias the nobody guy no one seems to say.

oh yes, you like to go to explore the mine shaft you know, if he was a scher, whatever you call, no one says that about her IT is just easy to expose of a body in a rural location or a remote location.

You need to really look at your suspect and say, was the suspect a hunter? Was he someone who spent a lot of time in the woods? Someone who what's familiar with these minds because he grew up in this area, those are the things you need to look at and then focus your search that way by looking at where you're suspect is for me with.

In this case, I think it's going to be difficult because searching a mine shaft is physically dangerous and difficult to figure out where to go. Now mine shaft is a little bit different because you don't really have to barrier. You could just put IT there.

He would not be as exposed to the elements. IT would not be exposed to temperature or animals possibly. So it's not a bad place to dispose in the body.

But the flip side is where you know a little over two years out, there may be more remains that are more easily found because of the temperature in chloro o colder temperatures are Better for bodies because the key composition doesn't happen as quickly. Burning is pretty low on the list, because IT is actually a normous difficult to burn a body. You need a temperature several hundred, if not thousand degrees. Fn height has gone to be a very, very high temperature to completely in the right of body. Even a creates horia when the bodies professionally and generated for cremation there are still body parts were behind think like that is very difficult dispose of the body that way is equally difficult with chemical because you're not onna have a complete eradication of the bodies through these chemical IT would seem to me that the evidence of this cake seems to point more toward mine sham but I also think it's physically difficult because I think it's dangerous to do that in a mine shaft. So you'd probably have to have people who are experience going into these types of mindset.

those area. You could certainly .

do just general searches of the area, but if you have some set, this happened in our minds sham. I don't know, hopefully in this case to say, let's do a bang of searches and you know, feel and what stream and area in the mount, if the focus here in the evident seems to point to a mind .

shaft as a likely place of disposal. 云 等等。

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Tracing this is hi in this Christina ristal. This is chance he's not working right now, so okay.

he can be part of.

When I was working patrol, I would run down fugitives, rapist, murder, cop, hillers, all of that. Probably the most nervous I was on a case was a copt killing case. And that was like the highest tie that you could ever be on.

Animals say, I wasn't scared. IT really IT was more than a dreamer in rush. This woman reported somebody SHE felt like somebody was looking inside her house.

So they called me. We went to her house, and the dog stop at the back of her house at every window. He stopped impulse, in which in the next window stopped impulse.

And then we went to around, and there were some woods at the front part of her house, but IT wrapped around kind of the side of her house. And when we track there, the dog stopped and started circling around. And as a word, the guy simple.

It's right here. We found exactly where he had been laying in the grass. IT was the perfect outline of him.

Lane pro, and I said he's right here. The dog tracked where he had been down and hiding out, but he had just killed two cars. He had nothing to lose.

He had nothing to lose to kill me in the dog, in the officers with me. Anyway, we call the guy. I've never trying to dog to bite people.

Their job is to find them. Our job is to apprehend or help. I've never had a dog hurt, killed in the line of duty as far as chasing somebody.

My name is Tracy sergant. Uh, a lot of folks call me trace, but I do go by either Tracy or trace. Many, many years ago, I didn't have a dog because my life was prety crazy with work and school and just everything going on.

But I wanted to get a dog and do something. So I did some research, and I discovered that the german shepherd was, like, the perfect match for me, found a bride had this adorable literal ten or twelve little puppies. And the first one that comes running to me like, oh my gosh, i'm in love, this is that, you know, I will take you home and that's what I did my and i'm not exaggerating about this.

We did have family pets when I was growing up, but we never went through when you training or anything like that. I truly didn't know what into the dog bar. I mean, that's how totally dumb and bit and naive I was about all this.

I have this little puppy. What do I do with that? I take IT the classes because I don't know what to do with IT.

Well, fate stepped in. I was in my bed reading a the readers digest, and I came across an article, and I still have this article today. IT was a woman with a german shephard that found a missing three year old boy.

I thought, well, dog gone IT, if he can do that, I can do IT too. That literally started the entire one hundred and eighty degree change of my wife. I started making some phone calls, doing some research to the oh my gosh, what if I find somebody and they are hurt?

I don't know how to take care album, so that's when I became a em. I don't know anything about a radio. I don't know how to Operate a radio.

So that's became a handwriting Operate. I start to hanging in out with the firefighters and police officers and emergency management officials. And like, you'll do this for a living.

How much fun is this? This is what i'm supposed to do with my life. From there I became a firefighter, and I became a police officer and emergency manager IT LED other avenues to go overseas and do special ops work. And here I am today in colorado with you good folks. And the keystone to all of that has always been the dogs.

No matter where I was in the world and what I was doing or what I was pursuing, the dog was always the keystone IT really combined the three loves of my life was that I love being outdoors, I love helping people, and I love working with out. I worked with some of these families, and I, I just see, I just look in their eyes, and I think, how in the world is this family gonna vive, this that really inspires me and has inspired me for years. I'm going to do everything I can to help these families through the darkness that no families expect that they are going to be in.

No family spoke to wake up one morning and think, oh, Crystals gonna gone today. So I need to prepare myself for that. Chances in eight year old lab mix, his name actually has a meaning.

He was rescued about four months old from my high kill shelter and georgia. A friend of mine had rescued him because he was cute. SHE contacted me and he said, this puppy seems really strange and different.

Can you come and take a look at IT? So I did. And not that I was looking for any other working dogs of my ones already had to.

So I have value. Wait, like, yeah, he is special dog. He really needs to go to a walk in home.

So my plane initially was to take him home, train him and then give him to another search time. But I spent five minutes with him and said, no, you're not going anywhere. You're staying right here.

He's an amazing dog. He's, uh, his mom, we know, is a chocolate lab. He's got the golden weak color, but he's got the gold eyes in the pink nose of a isla or warmer writer.

He makes me feel like a walk water. He's one of those dogs that look up to you and just think you are just the greatest thing in the world. But he's a very hard worker.

He's got great work ethic. He's got that really great mix of the light footings ss and agility of a lip, but the work ethic of a german shepherd. And he absolutely has been a great, great partner. And we've literally .

been around the world.

Chance, technically, is called a human remains detection dog. Many people know them as could ever adult, which of course, he does find canada as well. But IT should be based ed upon not just finding A R, what where somebody died.

IT really is the full spectrum of all the human remains, from a full size body to bones in everything in between. I want to clarify that any time a human remains detection dog alert or indicates to us that, hey, I smell human remains sent in this area, we cannot automatically assume somebody died here. We assume that Crystal died there.

The dog checks in area, they alert, indicate to something. We then, as the human part of the investigation team, has to come in and said, why did the dog alert here? Is that something that has nothing to do with the case?

IT could be a mechanic that cut his hand working on a car has nothing to do with this totally innocent or IT could be. That's where they hit her in the head and SHE bled there, and they picked her up and moved her. When these dogs respond, they tell us a very important part of the pitch, but they can tell us the whole picture.

Sam is really like a living organism. Sun affects IT t weather, dry weather. There's a lot of things that do affect its.

So for example, we may certain the morning and the same conditions may be pretty good, but he's picking up something some hints of something like, hey, I want to go back after launch and recheck IT because the same picture and same conditions probably have changed. So he may be able to pick up. They do an amazing job.

And my job is to get him in a situation where IT increases the odds that if there is sent there, that he will pick you up and he will be able to pin point where that is and tell us hate. I have found something here that smells like human remains. The best way I can describe IT, somebody gets a piece of stake out of a freezer.

okay? You put IT on a counter top. IT doesn't smell anything. When you open over phrases, you don't smell all that made in there. It's frozen. But when you put on the counter top and you let IT sit there for a couple of days, you're gonna start smelling IT with all the respect, that is a body, a frozen body does not give very much.

Then it's one of .

those tight rope kind of things that we have to baLance out. We want the cooler weather. We want the moist weather, but we don't want .

frozen weather. He's an experience dog.

so I let him do his thing. And I really trying to stay out of that equation and not interfere. So i'm going to let him work IT out as long as needs to.

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It's really quick. Is the sense they're it's not there a lot of a to do with the size of the body. The condition of the body was IT traumatized in any way. IT was IT for lack of Better words, and with all respect, was IT gamed in anyway how long the body was.

There was a long enough where we have could ever fluid that coming out the body that are storming into the ground, and or they could ever said that been sorbed ed into the i'm not only just looking for the sand, i'm looking for we call A C O B his change of behavior. His trained alert is a sit most people will see. It's like, oh, he's acting strange.

He's acting different. That's the response we typically get for people that I ve either never seen homework or never seen a search dog work. I've worked with him long enough to understand and know his change of behavior, his body language. I'm actually looking more for that.

We are right now by the suit water tower and we're in a White experiment and we're not going to be different minds appear one straight down in two holes and we're we're going to way of that road to the deadend as a bit minds SHE does that vote? You miss my team .

and I tagged .

up with Chris hosny out in the barker. We brought Tracy with us.

They don't you see where to find this? There's two things. There are probably about ten that we didn't actually look at because they were in such remote locations that we figured there be no way anybody could drag a body that form.

Chris came equipped with a comprehensive digital map of all the mine locations. So we fight .

twenty or thirty miles. Probably we're trying to identify the ones that you can get to with a road and be able to Carry something maybe up to a quarter mile from the top of this hill. No one is going to that.

yeah. No, we can mark off because we hike and hike and hike to make sure that happen. It's interesting. A lot of them, more are gated off. A few of the gates are new.

So now you don't know, right? Because BBA a few years and the others that are vandalized in open use remote control car with the camera down around corners done a lot of crawling. We have A A cable light that like a plummer users that we're stringing down smaller places, we are just check in places off so that the cops don't have to look.

But these mines are twenty big to get into. And so if you wanted to be deliberate, and again, that's just the rumor, I would say seven rate of these were definitely the kind of places that you could do that our database just shows minds that the state glora o human services department there are mining recalled mac and division. Their inspectors come out to close a mine opening.

They do an inspection and make sure that is closed, that you can get in there. And so we got that database and they should all be closed. None of these should be open, but that's not the case. Some are. We've been very lucky and that the private property so far, we've gonna ask the owners and they're doing they know all about the case and they're glad to let us go, look, drink a lot of water as this is eighty five, eighty six hundred up here, you will get a headache quick.

Hyrst and trace.

I am so.

You have a mind here.

I mean, we can't there's a great on the top and then there's a hole in the side that we could chem me through IT goes back. There are a little ways and we can see the end. You'll be a test. Well.

he is trained in disaster work, so he's been in confined areas and top the debris and things like that. So 我。

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As Christine's team searched the minds, they also gave the feasibility as a disposal site. He LED Tracy and chance to the entrance of numerous mindshift to see if chance might .

indicate on anything.

We have a small opening. If there's anything in there. The same actually is coming through that whole directly out here.

It's like a tunnel. So technically, we don't have to put the dog in that hole for him to detect. Any set for him to check that hole is really all we need because it's a contained area.

If someone, or is if there is any human, remain sent in that area. The thing is gonna straight out of here. Or although IT feels cold to us, it's warmer out here than IT is in the whole seit travels to heat, is gonna attracted and pull toward heat.

So again, anything in that hole the scent is gonna pulled outside to this area. We need him to check IT. And I can tell you right now, there's nothing in there just for him to smelling that right there. can.

I mean, the terrain is somewhat steep, but it's not something that we have to clam up you know all the time. and. My experience, suspend that dogs don't have the altitude issues or chAllenges like we did.

He, of course, being in georgia, the highest television is four thousand. Approximate thousand feet were now eight thousand. And as you can see, he's not .

affected by IT at all.

You get up to.

I'm about ten feet from IT.

so I guess it's this right here.

This is the drum set the locations we saw were possible to get to. But in my mind, there are still fairly treated ous.

We, of course, when IT exhaust all areas of where Crystal might be turn over any rock and every rock of any possibility.

there were either up hill or downhill on steep, in kinds difficult places to drag a body.

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ventured into the cold, windswept mountain surrounding crust. We drove over incredibly rough terrain and scrambled mile after mile from dozens of open, most of which have never been searched by police. While fox thirty one was searching minds, a crew from the popular national podcast up and vanished showed up as well, also honing for new clues as to rising ers wear about they .

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the end of Christal's. In search, his team had ruled out a ton of locations, and they also came away with a pretty unusual photograph.

A place in a couple examine in my piece, but he went up there to the mine and he's waited for a city to picture downhole of the mine.

what? No way. No way.

that's me holding the camera above my head to shoot down into the hole. IT was a picture that looked like an Angel, an optical illusion, but IT held more significance. The people closest to Crystal, to a loved ones and make Crystal spirit, was still there. This is debby rodney's wife.

sylvia rise man. The first thing he said was the phoenix SHE didn't even have to think about IT and after he sent that, we all went, yes, that's exactly what IT is. Not so .

obvious.

Big meaning for Crystal, you know, we birds coming back to life, stuff like that. And that means so much to her that he gave koh a back for her middle me for that shape to appear there mysteriously IT just gives me goose mps, amy and I believe in all the signs and spirit al type stuff. So another person might say it's just a tree or whatever, you know.

But to us, that means something either SHE is there or she's trying to tell us something. We take IT as a sign that it's Crystal. What she's telling us is up for interpretation, but us that just means she's there.

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We spoke to Christal and Jennifer, probably crustal closest biological .

family member, and SHE came out to work with, I mean, my sister SHE was teenage mom, and SHE was Young, my niece, throughout her terraced out, that that always my bath, my mom, my mom passed away. And then he stayed off and on with me, like her whole childhood. The icc was always, you know, her grandma was there, her mom was there, my sister and .

my .

mom and SHE would come and live with me and california what he was for. With me in miami to. Call her to 喜欢， 不听。 SHE was an eighth grade when you would go back home and basically after my one house to and IT was really hard for her.

SHE was fifteen and he became a world of the state. SHE came to live with me when he was sixteen. He was different Christal early thirteen years apart.

I mean, I remember once he was born, I slept in the same room with her mom and her different kind of relationship. Love her so much color is they wanted the most beautiful places like never been. You can breathe the cry cool air and hike in the mountains. And when you ride your bike for twelve mile IT was amazing, amazing place to be.

One point I never thought I would leave and who got super expenses? And I want to know, and I was a single parent too, I thought maybe if he came to texas that I could help her, that he said, you know, color about is beautiful, lies there, you know, is a good dad for a cautious. And then I wasn't going to, you know convince her otherwise, wasn't going to try to talk her out of what made her happy.

And we will talk all the time still like we always talked basically no matter what, like she's called me and he was three years old, like every great day and I would call her every birthday we talk so like often we always have, like he calls me on my birthday every year and when SHE doesn't call me for my birthday, IT was od said something he would never have miss, and I knew something was wrong instantly, because I didn't matter. And no matter what, no matter what was going on, I mean, SHE would always call me. That's when I reached out to her a boyfriend because I knew who he was, because he told me who he was and asked, you know, where is he? I mean, I can tell you right now, because my birthday on the sixteen, that whatever happened to her was before that day, SHE really wasn't sure who SHE thought that somebody would feed her. Rater, I think there was late three guys SHE was hanging out with their .

own man like .

I don't want to sit there accuse anybody if they didn't do anything, but is still is just something just doesn't seem like.

There's one episode left this season. This story is four from over.

They had a name cap is john. They wrote us on about IT when he passed. They passed the name on to me because because they could see that I could go along with everybody .

like a camford next time on up and vanished next monday, november nineteenth, th will be A Q and a ethe sode to give us a call. The number is four, four, four, one zero zero nine one and one again, four or four, four one zero zero nine one one. Episode twelve will come out on monday, november twenty six, and don't for good this sunday, november eighteenth.

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