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I tried a message, I tried to calm, and i'm thinking, or maybe because I had two phone numbers of my phone, I called both the. I reached out on facebook, and even before I reached out on facebook, I started, you know, messaging her x way friend. And I know something that happened. This is .

Christal ant Jennifer.

because we taught so, like, not wrong. Before he went nested mean, he told me so after. Like the last time I talked to her, we kind of cut the conversation short because some other friends made over her, or actually they were .

knocking on the door.

SHE just said he loves me and talk later. I mean, we were planning for her to come out here with a kasha or visit and and then I see this all are good to people are. so. You know, I contacted to the please IT is that .

when I spent .

to the police originally is I don't think that they realized what they were dealing with. You know, if they were so interested in getting her point in that apart apartment and I asked them whether the're fall, where's their computer there? Like it's they are at the apartment.

And i'm like, why don't you have IT that is fake IT just thought he wondered off or something I know SHE didn't I know what? In my heart and my needs is the type of person I can. Somebody knocked on our doors said, hey, you know when to come over dinner or something SHE could not just know, left with them like you wouldn't thought anything of IT.

And that's where I like somebody somebody out there they know, you know, choose SHE was a trusting person and you know, you are all these things before then, you know, he said something happened to her. And I told her he needs to call the party since he felt like, you know, and SHE wouldn't have any evidence because he had too much time pass. SHE believed that was more than one person, but he even knows.

No, everybody talks about cat ish everything. I not just him. I mean, there was another another guy involved like somebody car. I think he took her a suit out on him and not thinking, was very happy about the situation. And there is somebody else's name.

Matthew.

I don't think about you is, but I said even the last time I talked to her, he was that people are coming over.

Everybody was her friends or so cold friends. You know, you watch these movies and and you see people that were kicking out in the health hostage for the years. When that becomes your only hole is no hope now.

And is I mean, I know she's not hear anymore. I knew that and I don't know if you know. Whatever, find out what really happened. I just know if whoever did something to her, we'll be tormented on the inside. Even if no, they never come to justice.

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Chris was like in acquin to me. I knew her roof, friends and stuff and definite definitely config. I was with her are over a few days or a few weeks before he ended up going missing.

So it's kind of wording me out with the whole situation. Then he had before a ride to a one, a full friend house. I took her there and I eat the restaurant. So I went in. And next guy and my community, when I walked in the place, was like.

super.

super messy, like harding, timeless king stuff. And like, okay. And then I introduce himself, and he introduce himself as I can fish for .

the reason I is making .

me want to be back to us, because I click, remember this guy's name. And once you came out with the podcast, this stuff, my friend told me, I looked at IT and I thought what your episode was named after. I could grab at that guy anyway.

I just like .

the first house and nothing, but he's the restaurant. You look again and so I go to the restroom and what's down on the ground and there's this like a bag of like drugs, like to sitting on the ground, on on the restaurant floor. I was like, what the heck, man, how am I? And so I put up that bag of of i'm fining in the drugs, looks like drugs, and walk back out there.

Oh my god, this was this kind of sitting on your bathroom ford there and you like, oh my god, thank you. Thank you so much. You will all those that like, I like, like, yeah, so i'm gonna go and share.

Like here you don't fine. I say that is gonna come to me up for something like that. I like, I am out here at whole place with weird, the whole situation with weird kind of get me out.

And so I left and then a couple days later, I think IT was about like how long a later was. I saw Crystal, like at the beach somewhere the I was gone on cricket. And she's like, juno.

H, my god, that night that you bw me there, this guy grow me and like, kid, my phone from me and like, will let me leave. And if this whole crazy, your deal bubbles long like an interest had to come pick up or not like that I was like, holy crap, do you like to do not go over there again? That is scuts you that's why I like, you know, I would dim go back over there. That whole situation for what I experience with her was next to me with someone hiding your own or drugging you and or whatever any of that stuff was as weird. And my impression of the guy likes I got you like like a tweeter or like a schizo renate or like some like that is like really someone you don't want to hanging around.

What if you know?

The time and of itself is beautiful is this there's the water trust monkeys and other trust kids. And so there's an abundance of math and abundance of people that have no jobs and nothing to do. The level statistic behavior that i've seen from certain people there I don't know to I called you like list. I'm going to end up back room and i'm going going saying and knowing going to know what happened and everyone's going to use pretend like it's not a video. So when I lived there, I was taking someone who was ultimately notice a person.

So when I .

first moved back to my stone with my ex, he always much cabbage and how much I should get together with them. I have had an interesting relationship with. Third, he is always costly.

Try to marry me. You'll call me like every three months. Ask me maria. I think he uses is the cells parent so he's engaged to me to build and there's some service stability.

And this I came .

over strike on him one day because I know how to get out there. I was off work early, went over there and he asked to transfer like three grand into my paypal t count, right? And then how to breakdown? Because he was always trying to get parents.

Me still is, and he's like, i'll give you through in a box show and this year but then he started freaking me out of me because he was not clearing that because IT was a friday and I wouldn't go through until late monday. And so I went over there on saturday. He had me called people from, he had me called the being in front of them, who confirmed that he had cleared my coin.

I was like, good. I can't drop. I don't have IT there. So he is like upstairs area, like a little, a lot, those trapped. And he had a gone for over an hour at least, rise of beds. He had given me off of being, don't come breaking off my jewelry.

Hate that.

Thank god his daddy ally shows up the morning, will drop cigarettes, alcohol. Would we need sometimes cob .

under box so if that .

ends up showing up? But I like, thank you. Who know I could do the number hours?

I mean, this weird. Yeah.

people do. And I mean, I didn't think you going to shoot me, just try to like, scare me. You should be more scare account.

This from, not here. BRandy would always warn me not to like he offered to appear or country is something like, don't ever take a from in this. 你 爱 托 比拉 利 绝对 不会 出 产品。

You need to call me back. You think that threaten you before I wanted to marry you and love you, ever. If you do not call White friend, do you know what is called?

You can someone to give them? You know what this cold? I'll just you returning. Yeah, i'm able to thread at someone if I want to right now, but i'm not. Maybe i'm close, so maybe you should call me wanna get those.

I had heard the term dosing before. I talk to a queston local whose had his own experiences in involving dosing.

Dose is like a hit you, i'm saying, but getting dose is like when someone gives you wait to my Jason capital is crazy. Like I said, I found out with them a publications, and the dude is just out there around, do first, all this time I get Christal. L, S, D, not paying for hit. Like, you know that violence are right here about.

no, what's that real?

L, L, S, that we thought l you get your pistol and then you mix up with water and you shake the but you that's how you get to like that liquid point and and that goes on paper or you can just drip IT from the drop in your mouth enough michabo. Or you know, I mean, if you're crazy, you need the best. So we should try, try your fuck and brain forever. He dose my best friend so hard to super do some like you left three in a all my body circuit, eight, three, you know, make you go bonkers and should IT depends on the distract of the mind of the person.

One of his friends who we've called jack on the podcast, was allegedly dose a few years ago.

The reason retribution were like, good, someone was in their like anzoil literally left them out on purpose, however, was taken that we take them and token menus, three in there in all three and he's fried now, you know, i'm son like running through the snow would like no shoes on his fingers.

Have you got spite? His fingers are false for life now died, you know I mean, yeah, he was stealing, but do come on now, this isn't fuck in eighteen hundreds, where we could, you will hands up and shoot and on. And his little punk Brown, as my called him, him straight out brows bulson. No one had fucking no colony is no fucking on balls out there.

In the past several months, there's been numerous stories flying around Christan involving catfish cleaning his house, sometimes shortly after rcra stal and missing. There's nothing wrong with cleaning your house, but according to those close to catfish, he never cleaned this house. So the question they're asking .

is why then? So he told me himself that when they came to investigate him that he had nothing to do with that that he had went over there that you know he done a bunch of like that .

that he disputed the center .

video of like other method had bought, because SHE was the user of that and can alt her over there. What I heard from him was that when when came he had have entire place cleaned out everything like, and the due to harder, and his other piles appears that he's broken. And really, that because he is money, but nothing to do. He scrunch the whole place, place.

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You， why would you have to discuss clean view?

Nothing to do with that.

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You you have to understand that catfish has the ability to hack people's accounts. In fact, you probably knows that you and I are talking right now, or knows that you and I have been talking. That's another thing that makes me think that i'm in danger.

He's been on my facebook. He's hack my facebook knowingly. And I knew he was acting my facebook.

I knew he was not my facebook at one. He just knows how to have. He knows how, he knows how to get into the system. God, he's hacked ais on. He was getting free, destructive amazon by hacking.

I've always been told that catfish was good with computers.

Puter and everything.

But as time went on, more and more stories began to surface.

Here's the quest to a boyfriend, bring on the count and try to get to .

hold the previous sleep .

and let to messenger on or something. He got a hold of IT. Using IT is like calling of veterans of people one day, allows some readers love, like trying to say to use .

that a form.

Where did catfish essentially act as brian and send messages from brian?

我 this is before just one that even see you。

You got a message from brian, and then you ask brian about IT and what a brian said.

He came up to me. We have the anger as you. the.

平凡的 事。

Did brian say that he killed her? Because if if he did, and is a simple as that, brian, yeah.

is the direct confession. And I have a side and and .

my computer.

the problem is I lost all my computers when I lost my home over this kind of crap. So I give back into online storage thing.

his online storage thing.

I guess he's looking for the screen shots or maybe some downloaded a version of the conversation. Capper says the dreddy e brian sent him a message on facebook in which he confessed killing Crystal. Then Cathy says he blocked him and eventually turned over that message to the cbi.

But now we can't find IT. Maybe it's true, but I just thought that complicated. If you don't want to give IT to me, that's fine.

Just say that. But to keep putting this off with new excuses just sounds weird. So I tried something. I made a fake facebook account, and I started a conversation between my fake facebook and my real facebook. Then I blocked the account, just like cafes blocked brian.

And as an extra measure, I log back into the fake facebook and deleted the message I sent, something brian may have done up for sending IT. Even with the message deleted in his account blocked, I could still see IT. I could search IT unless kaffir permanently deleted the conversation entirely.

What would be kind of od to do? IT should still be there right now, right there in his facebook messenger. Not that complicated.

How we have we talked .

to four .

minutes .

IT was like .

immediately. IT was like you in this much funny and they called me and all the phone with being saying that was going to have to pay sex. There's something. And then he was going to call me back in the end .

of the phone for the past couple years, this person has been living in fear of catfish. And not long after I started talking to her, SHE began to fear that her phone in her facebook had been hacked. SHE told me that a few years ago he was held against her will at gunpoint and cafe Fisher's house.

Over the last several years, she's had some strange experiences involving her phone, her facebook and catfish. According to her, she's had text messages sent from her cell phone that he didn't write, containing strange cyp tic sounding nonsense. I'm no expert on this, but i've seen this kind of typing .

before way he writes to so pumped up like this where is like almost it's hard to explain. I get like you're talking to somebody with got a speech of pat of man, everything kind of put around here like it's hard to understand he talk, he he write like he talks. Talk to himself out there.

SHE also received dozens of voice mails from unknown numbers. And the voice .

on the other line, i'm missing my bucky pills. Who did you bring over and what is his name? You have some of the dominant fucking logic in the world. Woman encounters text messages .

for random phone numbers were sent to her personally. All of them riddle familiar content, talking about the FBI extortion money and wired fraud. A vast majority of these messages were extremely explicit in VGA.

I'm uncomfortable even sharing IT. As you can probably imagine, the last two years have been extremely hard on cristal family, along with getting answers about her disappearance. Their main concern has been cautious and what this ultimately means for a future.

Catia is living with her loving father, ei, and his family in los Angeles. SHE has a wonderful support of network of people to guide, but still she's been dealt a difficult hand at a very Young age. As their families expressed to me before, nothing can truly replace her mother.

SHE misses her and is starting to feel the impact of her absence, one of the many consequences of crustal disappearance is that catia is not financially supported by only one parent. The team at tender foot T. V has set up a go fund for action, and we've picked IT off for the donation of our own.

We've gotto knew a lot about catia and our family, and our hope is that something positive can come from this tragedy. If you'd like to join us in offering some support for cautious future, you can do so by going to four cautious dot com in donate. That's four catia dot com. F O R K A S H A dot com any donation and always welcome and appreciated and all the proceeds will go directly into a trust for catia.

Shall call via like this a video whatever from her dog zone and um typically IT started off saying, can you show me a picture, my mom? He just wants to talk and he wants to have the to the connection because like we're extremely connected, like we're all extremely ly close most of the time and when she's older shall probably be made of me for saying this but we just put the phone down and listen to her talk and like china and every once in a while because he just sometimes put the one down and yeah should just go do something yeah you just kind of leave in there and hope your phone bill doesn't go up but worth IT one time .

I watch her play basketball .

for lake hf an hour yeah SHE yeah so yeah yeah yeah i'm really good now.

yeah. Well, that are you get Better? almost.

All that was so close to almost there.

SHE was five.

five years old, and march seventeen just started a kindergarten in August. SHE had never gone to free school, so most of the kids that have gone sand, there were three or four are already reading or knowing their letter and all that. So when SHE started, SHE was a little bit behind. They said, now she's writing words and is apparently very good at math according to e. So it's been a really good .

experience. SHE generally just to enjoys everything. She's very curious.

So he just wants to know about everything and her and tell you what you're onna play and how you're going to play IT. But she's just she's fun. She's really fun and never annoying. It's oh, I don't know what that is. Some kids you know can get to be too much, but her is never OK that that sometimes it's enough .

at night, usually when it's almost midtown. Me.

another story, stories I can tell you.

not gra, just I will be back. He said that once.

You to .

make up forest with the spooky forest for. And right .

now, her favorite, I have this on her favorite movie, is the ghost us.

But the original right? I know .

IT is upward and I don't look good. Broken car go SHE loves .

a spooky SHE loves like haunting ghosts and who SHE oh SHE last to my face time he wanted to tell me about ghost and things like that so SHE definitely um she's tapped into like the bookie spirituality as well as like the mainstream booky like goes kind of thing. I am so curious to know what is going to be like when he's order and you should be rebellious like so but she's she's not Christal to guide .

her so Crystal .

you tell her once up when she's acting out so and honestly, I think of anything SHE might become some kind of musician or at least shows practice music in her life. SHE has Crystal voice SHE I think you will grow into her voice as Christal's is was amazing and E I in his roots with the nature american is definitely SHE is she's going to develop her own very interesting little mix. And I could totally see her being like the little thirteen year old with a garage band and, you know, doing the half tribal half, yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of think. And I think it's going to totally work because SHE makes IT work because she's a hundred percent confident in herself like all the time, basically SHE and if she's not SHE doesn't show IT I am actually means strange because they're just too cute and it's just as or somewhere about me so .

i'm father my amy. I love my aim. The sweet is same in the whole world. 哎呀， 呐喊， 哎哟喂。

what is something you hope from a goal fund for cash? What would be like a hope of yours?

Mine would be that he has a more stable, I get Normal in quotes, but a more stable .

living .

environment where SHE feel safe. And he .

knows at home that .

moving from place to .

place or have own space, have own bedroom. I think it's really important to have a little space that yours, that he can keep her things and decorate. And because she's got so many fun things, and you know like drawings and all kinds of stuff, and I think it's really important for her, especially as a little artistic, create a child to have somewhere to put those things. Obviously, you know, we want her to be able to work and you achieve all the things that know a lot of people do, but she's been down a lot of coppy things at a Young age. Just make sure that you, like me, SHE feels safe because the stability.

because that's one thing Crystal never had, was a home of their own know her, her, her mom. However he was living with IT was always one place to another, one group hole, one and one, whatever. But to give her that continuity and stability, as I think would help her a lot.

I just i've really want a catia to have all those things in opportunity that both crustal and I liked. And I know Crystal liked a lot of things and not necessarily thing things, but like the security in life.

Yeah definitely .

I get your case in sure like I wonder, make sure he is stable home. I think anybody that in poverty as that issue is just having a stable home. Just wanted to have like a feeling that he is not in the wind ever, ever, ever in her life, like her stone.

But the landlord was pretty clear and that he said Crystal indicated that she'd been drugged and raped and that he was considering going to authorities to tell them about these people. So that is a legitimate potential motive to kill her.

At the same time, when you ask about why prosecutors, and please don't actively pursue sexual assaults statistically, they dumped the denver police department of the felony sexual salt raps of all the cases that they take. The district torney office eight and ten are thrown in the trash, never prosecuted. They don't file charges.

They don't even try. They're really tough cases to make in front of a jury. Das have learned that it's a waste of time and money to prosecute more sexual assaults.

And I think it's horrific. And the me too movement is going to move the needle on that. But statistically, the reality is distract torney don't try to charge people with great something that they lose at all the time.

They try to push IT. They use a lot of resources. They think they have the right case. They get front of a jury person is acquitted, then they've put this victim through a horrific cross examination, usually calling her everything in the book from a slighter, asked in what she's wearing, why he had a drink with some guy. And that defense tactic, though polling is this worked, historically worked. So IT doesn't surprise me that no one investigates claims of sexual assault, especially if their date rates were familias sad, but it's just the truth. Chris Haley .

hurt my calls with cat, fish and epo. nine.

There were times where IT just seemed like he didn't seem to have the right train of thought, and there are other times he was right on the money. And what was going on. You go down some path that did name do that.

People who are potential suspects are people of interest to the police. More they talk, the more someone might hear something that makes sense. Maybe they're talking because they want to make sure that everybody knows they are innocent and maybe they are talking so that they can throw blame on somebody else when it's really then you are now.

Till the end.

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Have been advised by six minutes today, not the body call you. My brother had a name to, they wrote us on about him when he passed. They passed the name on to me because because they could see that I could go along with everybody like a cat.

Fish can swim in clear waters, backwaters, monty waters, sea waters that I think you've offended me up all my user release in your fault I was in. Since you have all this cloud, everybody about all pains, pains is I had every available resource to leave. Okay, private, let me believe all kinds love. I don't run, you know, because of every .

due that's .

got this start often .

on for the past few months, i've talked extensively with catfish. Oddly enough, a majority of our conversations were about computers and hacking, all topics he brought up on his own. So I just listened.

I have said something on facebook in the past three days. Be very glad that I found with the board of facebook things. They then they don't like anything.

Facebook doesn't matter though, whatever is type of facebook because they don't want to get to the public, but they would know about how they can prove who was step and what know about time. You look so live on facebook at the first two and three key drink, no matter what, Better repress the eighty eight percent. And we have almost to be doing.

Because it's not like Oscar, like one to ten key. Press me hard. They could prove a lot of computer projects happened like you saying they don't know what happened, but that reach their recently this .

but I have Better.

Better, Better the post that was kind of the best because I don't know this natural will reach. I can tell you something, but I can tell you so that's what things we can earn some money that way do if we take a step. I stumbled these kind of situations, but said so were doing nothing.

But then they say, is the most ever, have most of events ever when facebook is over, like hundred thousand attempts to breathe system every day, all day long, from birds, for people, whatever. Jeff, both friend and global series, what everything did they say, this is the most vance attack ever. Why did they only scrape fifty million accounts? Then when there's three billion, that's.

Confuse sing in them and and if you have access to close facebook to say it's like going to store, you take the money because you your hunger corner and you get the year. So and the person give empty register, but just give me five dollars. You see, I mean, this persistent attack probably on for months and month, months, months, months, i'm guessing happened seven months ago, and they are reducing IT now.

And great wasn't not about IT. I can prove he was. And facebook, i'm not.

Say friends with instagram. Respect even more. Look for something. Instagram as a disciples. Basically, one time I thought about messing a facebook on a kind of of computer.

Wasn't IT still one there? Anything IT was to go out like fate left that goes off for the money and change the word friend to find to result. You have nothing new few requests do you know to ana? But facebook visual reality, there's something that's all in terminal code, this writing its own language.

And it's really weird. Like, is that a understands? I knew computers long time ago when the rainbow games of fifteen years came mbs, and weight is soon the same language, basically when I missed around with with the place and is having to go life, talk on facebook, but guys and suits facebook.

If we were at us, if we were at a war, you would think after you seen everything I love, and on T, V, the last two guys in a war with other friends, family beside them, those two last people have a choice to see each other or sit down, smoke, john, and at least degraded or sucks. Don't want man.

I'm a little confused why Crystal was at your house towards .

the end there the truth I also the two is like he loved every meeting and .

blue say.

because i'm just a flat but SHE here to dubai out for you, swell with you at three the morning before okay, for now, I is a good part of as well. But they think that people were walking across town six thousand or so. Because I was this sexy one of her.

That was her reason. And then we SAT down as much like that enjoys. I might not. You be exactly.

and the .

night king around you be working well.

Very story point. You was, yeah, was there and I was noon and friends were stop about that once they allow as such but just on the sofa the night, thinking about making middle and then IT was new. I said, no one said this story.

An, do you talk about? Because no, a fuck them either. It's really just a story, brother.

He kept insisting glad is wrong tour. We work. SHE can I know? SHE. Very obviously several reasons.

And I over that I did in the business with missing girl, I don't have to ever ask myself with them which one because it's never been one. You know that you mean last summer before. I don't know you last summer. You mean. I do not do this about above that.

I am confused though what happened .

after the nine blunts that's I tell you this. There is small problems every day. Back then, does he live? Yes, yes, he left.

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Capps was always willing to talk about what he wanted to, but every time I brought up Crystal or the last time he said he was like hitting a brick wall, I admit it's been pretty frustrating for a while. IT seem like all the leads I had have been fully exhausted. But then I got a message that seemed to change everything.

This person's name had come up multiple times in the past as someone who had intimate knowledge of what happened to Crystal, as things in queston one have been heating up. I've heard from a handful of reliable sources that somewhere floating around out there was video and audio evidence of what happened. The first sounds crazy, but all the stories kept matching up. This guy message me on facebook and we started talking.

okay, bro, i'll tell you everything. That's the truth. But I will cost you five thousand dollars, and I will not do IT for less. And IT will have .

to be face to face how .

I supposed to believe you. You're gonna have to try harder than that.

I don't have to try harder than that. bro. You want to know what I know about this girl missing. I'll tell you what happened the whole story, because I know what happened for sure, IT was not there, but i've seen a little video in a voice recording of the last night. He was a cat fishes. So if you want to know the truth about what happened to her, then it's going to cost you five grand, nothing less. And I will not do IT unless you pay me.

Hm, not sure that's how this works. I mean, ethically doesn't look very, very good, my friend. And why would I trust you?

You're making money off this little show of yours. So why should I tell you anything for free, you think? Because I won't talk to unless I get paid for IT is not very ethical, right? What doesn't matter to me if i'll tell you feel Brown and though I will not talk to unless I have five grand in my hand and I will only talk to you face to face, not over the phone.

There's a twenty thousand solar reward for information. When I take that, I put ten thousand of my own money into IT.

No one will ever be convicted of IT. I don't think anyone will ever be.

No.

it's only for information. OK.

You're wrong about only for information. It's for the arrest and conviction of the people who are involved. So let's just say the people who are responsible are not alive. Then what?

What would I be paying you five thousand dollars for?

For what I know. And what really happened to her, i'll tell you. Okay, cat fish told you that they will not find a body, right?

Well, he is not trying. So I know it's really fucked up, but it's the truth. Five grand, you have until tomorrow by noon to decide if you're going na pay me for the whole story of what happened or not.

That's all I have to say. Well, not in color right now.

Well, that's not my problem. That's all I have to say. Send the money so I can be picked up at any place in colorado.

You know my phone name. Just send me the tracking numbers, dude, like I said, have seen a really short video of what they did. I know from what cat fish have told me as well, so we'll see if you send IT night goodbye.

I'm strong enough at this point today that he bucked and head. If you really .

tried that not i'm .

going to come out with out there and do anything but because he has this weird coming history where he does and dumped like that ones up dead waste the next day and does IT. Again, this was different. totally.

Well, to say you this totally against everything, any eternal with advising, want to say. And that's, well, we know who the next one to go. This is gonna be. Nobody care.

You're very close to losing any ability to talk with me what soever, which makes me sad because we actually had a lot of good things that we could together. He is the least credible person. He couldn't tell him himself if he want to do.

I can say so like he'd dead tomorrow and know I cares, do you know one? But ken cares. See, i'm not making a mistake.

But is that big of a career mistake for you if you start listening to him when clearly he says, five grand, five grand, five grand. Give me the money. Give me money.

Give me the money. IT means he is a lot of dog, sir. If you brought him a hundred dollars with a heroin, which I can help you do that in a lawfu manner.

If you start using him as words, as credibility in any of your podcast, your sponsors, your listeners, your own self all fade away quicker than we can take the stage down. Do what you want. Just the warnings there.

Do you? You want the home. So now I want my five k now I want my five grand.

Now my great, my great. I want a five. And I want from great.

I frame anybody up. Everybody knows. I don't killing by he does. How I know what he's art is about one talk IT hurts because I thought we were a friends. No game shows are coming after mining.

He does know some scary people, the same scary people they want. They want to call to make sure he's working, explaining this tomorrow, by tomorrow, like in the next three minutes of if he wants to see tomorrow is what eight P M. There who he Better get the thinking for him, the bell toys mother fucker.

I don't care if this is on your podcast. Hey girls, I need to date for real. Seriously, put this on your podcast.

At this point, you have found a phone. If you do not call me, i'm having a hard time trusting you. I am not a hacker. That is why you will never beat me a computer.

The hackers make themselves vulnerable when someone tries to hack me and forces me to remember how a user computer to look right back at them. That's just called free money, baby, you can be and weird, because I never record stuff that I don't cause. I remember what people say, not what I say, but I am.

I'm finally accepting that. You never come up by taking some things. You ever come up by hurting people. You're only fucking moves in him, whether but more people know this.

So I don't .

even know if I do IT could be my phone hacked me, I don't know, because a lot of your people have, even in fact, you know what they are saying about the amount of that, all the stuff I need that to go quiet immediately, like that has to go if I have to go with IT. Some say have a dreamer, but i'm not the only one. That's my girl who give me all someone you you part cast sunday.

It's when you getting up. Baby, baby, it's me. It's me done.

You know, I want to hear nobody. Me anyways was the same. Okay, right? Eight to eight.

Cuse you or two, as long as your seventeen, twenty one, you are good. Not that much of a reeve, but i'm twenty three in the dark, Susan. Here, girls, you try to listen this man's podcast.

A channel points you five per center. I'm not a no mad. I just know i'm mad. Maybe a female pod casters will take emptied on that and finance six years. Well, the point is this is a three or four or five year missing person's case.

With this much involvement and interest, I can only imagine how buckling pissed the department of justice is that they are likely gone to fucking during themselves and fucking for and someone yard. I'm glad i'm not there and I don't have a yard here. IT seems like some cheese. Keep quiet there.

Like, maybe some like on what this second did I make in essential essentia million teacher? A bit probably in with tech. What else? I got reports of fans telling people to shut the fuck up about him.

Why else would fed be telling people to stage quite about that little theory about her being in with sack? Because I think he built her him off. I don't know what the fuck happened then for me to think about.

I'm not allowed d to think about that going to when them is called smart and clever ship. I just thought I was drunk, but the room really been spinning my fucking ride. What is the ship you have to pay me to get off of? IT? No, now i'm all of IT. You're going have to pay me that idea. Let's turn off of this, since my main focus isn't money it's not in clearing my um it's not increment innocence.

I've heard a lot of crazy stories .

throughout my time on this case. Some of them seem really far fetched and others seem really daming. It's not really my place or my job to say who's guilty here.

I've played you, what i've heard and what i've found and what I believe is relevant and furthering this investigation. My god tells me that the answer lies within this group of men in queston. I think that multiple people were involved in Christ's death and the concealing everybody above all.

I'm confident that there are more than a few people out there that can set the record straight right now if they wanted to, but they're scared. But maybe in time the guilt will get to him. And i've learned that money is a big motivator to this group.

I've been asked for money a dozen times in exchange for information. My answer, all of you, is this, there's twenty thousand dollars up for the taking twenty thousand dollars in ten thousand of that I put in myself. If you wants the money, come take that.

If you know I have an Crystal, then come take this reward money. I can assure you it's not a hoax. The moneys real.

You just have to tell the authorities. For some of these people, doing the right thing just isn't enough, or maybe their information just wasn't credible in the first place. In my experience, these people want money and they wanted immediately without involving law enforcement.

Also, just because this podcast season is over, IT doesn an i'm done with this case. We did our best to shake the trees, and it's time to let the dust settles. Crystal's case has been extremely emotional, and i'm so thankful i've gotten to work with their friends and family who care and fight for.

Crystal was such unparalleled passion right now. There's incredible momentum in Crystal's case, and soon enough, we will be back with updates. We seen a lot on the light in a short amount time.

All I can say is good luck hiding this forever, guys. The clock ticking .

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