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IT landa, georgia, nineteen hundred .

seventy nine.

Are you? sare? yes.

One by one, kids are going missing with no explanation. A black fifteen .

year old mill who lived in the same area where three other children had disappeared.

There was a real life monster on the loose. The city of illana demanded answers.

inner city kids get killed. Unfortunately.

nobody cares. By one thousand nine hundred eighty one on the FBI was involved in one of the largest manhunt U. S.

history. And eventually they put one man behind bars. But nearly forty years later, this cases left more questions than answers in what maybe IT land's darkest secret.

I don't know today whether he's answer all guilty from .

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And you walk in guard. Yeah, yeah.

So that's a port.

Yeah, i'm going to walk out there.

Where's the front door?

OK, there's the front door near the side door.

weird.

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I spoke to him.

years.

Ago today Marks the last time anybody.

Officially are calling.

this is.

A person.

From tenderfoot TV in atlanta, this is up and vanished. The investigation of terror. Instate, i'm your host.

p. Lenz Y, I was in a sila. I drove by terrorist house. I driven by before, but this time I decided to knock on the door. I had no idea what I thought, what happened, but IT seems like .

something I .

should do at least once. I wasn't expecting that. I'm pain, i'm document and I had this pocket. I'm going on the of IT. You got weird me being in here just because I talk about so much.

Seen this house inside, there was an older black lady sitting on a couch watching TV in complete darkness. Turns out terrors houses was being lived in again. The woman was really nice and didn't mind me looking around for a minute. My friend danny was a little more hesitant and was sort of lurking in the doorway, halfway hiding. We think her for a time, and then went out to the front yard.

Thank you.

From a silla police chief delly hancox description, I knew precisely where that latest love had been found on your yard, said, would have been in pinstripe right .

here in between the houses. But deal why you go on this way.

So we analyzed the area ourselves. The global placement just didn't make any sense. It's seem to be heading away from where any perpetrator would have parked their car almost going straight into the neighbor's yard if someone dropped in a rush or an accident.

This just didn't seem to be the likely place. Here's a glove. Actually.

we get there.

Yeah, will be, ask whether you walking up to the door. That is the first time I was nervous, this whole, this whole like that, as the first time I was nervous. We've been the terrorist house now. I only seemed right to visit the second place no soler most closely tied to her.

The early county high school, being at the high school was surreal. You are reading by the schools.

Is principle. And we hope to obtain some year books. Of course, IT had been years since terr worked here, but I was still early being there.

He was a friendly guy. He had known her personally because he started just after her disappearance, but he let us take some old .

year books for investigative purposes.

In our hands were pictures of terror as a teacher and pictures of those responsible for her death bound into the same keepsake book.

Shortly after arrest were made in terrors case, no silly judge instituted a gag order. In order the states the case may not be discussed in public, geers exists to maintain integrity of an investigation to ensure a fair trial.

Ryan dukes attorney filed a gag order preventing law enforcement from speaking further about the case.

but several media outlets filed a lawsuit .

opposing IT lawyers have file emotion, are lawsy IT against the guy corner, should be in the courts hand midday today.

lawyers representing eleven alive and various other media outlets arguing thursday in an earing colony courtroom the case that a gag water in the terrible instead death investigation prevents transparency and unjust the silences, details and perhaps the biggest case this county has ever seen.

The media outlets have chAllenged the gag order. Gag order is very broad and IT covers many people who are potential witnesses. That covers people who might have known terror, for example.

And we really don't know at this point who could be a witness. So it's like a judge preemptively telling somebody you can use your right to free speech. The constitution frown on that.

Gag orders have to baLance, on the one hand, the needs of the defendant to get a fair trial in an impartial jury, but IT also has to protect the rights under the first moment of the public to discuss the case, but this order says to them before they are even on a witness list. Hey, you can't talk about and the media has a first dimming, right? There's a right to a free press there. Absolutely be clearly. And I think that if anything changes, IT will be some clarification of what the maybe a new order is not quite so broad.

The judge now has the unenviable task of deciding a baLance between the first and six amendment. Does the publish is right to know and talk about this case jeopardize the defendants right to a fair trial?

I think a persons have a right speak. This is a free country, and I don't think any judge that ever right to sit up there and see, keep your mouth clothes, you get out.

Ryan dux defense attorney, claimed that the extensive media coverage was posing a threat to his clients, right to a fair trial. He even specifically mentioned the podcast as an example to the judge in the courtroom.

There have been part cast. There have been international, national, world recover. He also presented a huge .

pro of seventy nine examples of this unjust media coverage, many of which were quote from news articles and even things that random people said on the up and vange discussion board.

Um this is just an example of me IT was like copying and pasting mean .

youtube comments made by anonymous people. I mean, it's two thousand and seventeen. You can control what .

people say on the internet preciate everybody being here today and I not had much to look at all the exhibits. I will take some time to do that, of course, but hopefully within the next week, you'll have an order.

The judge says it'll take about a week or shell for her to review new evidence in this case and come to a decision. Meanwhile, the media tourneys are taking that as an optimistic sign that perhaps that gag order was filed without enough evidence in the first place.

After the hearing, I hired my own attorney and submitted a formal letter to judge cross expressing my concerns about this gag order. People have been waiting for details in this case for over ten years. Why the silence now? After a full week, the judge finally made a ruling on this, and for the most part, IT was in our favor.

We just received word that the urban county judge has narrowed parts of the gg water. In this case, the court will allow documents to be unsealed. IT will also allow witnesses and relatives to speak to the media about the case, is also hermits potential witnesses as well to talk?

Basically, I think this modified order was the right thing to do, and I really think the judge shall got IT right SHE refections. That gag orders are not necessarily disallowed, but they must be narrowly drawn. So what he did, SHE went back and narrowly drew this, so that IT only applies to the parties in the case, people that worked for the lawyers offices, current and former members of law enforcement who may have knowledge of the case.

Specifically, the judge says that the order does not apply to members of the public and does not apply to the media. So this is really a Victory for all media, including the podcast. In fact, pain linsey, the host of up and vanished, devoted twelve episodes to Green sadd disappearance.

The judge specifically references that in this order. One thing that stands out to me that's very interesting is that and this didn't really have to go into the order, in my opinion. SHE says that it's ordered, among other things that the people described, like the police eta, cannot mention the possibility of a plea of guilty to the offense charge that stood out at me like, wow.

Wonder why that's in there because SHE already said that any proceedings that may happen in the future in court would not be close to the public. So that was a great Victory. But referencing the possibility of a guilty plea to me, seem like IT was maybe just a little bit too much information.

I don't know. Uh, IT seems that, that was just something that maybe didn't need to be in there because that could have been covered with more general language. But as i've said all along, I don't expect there will be a trial.

But the thing to remember is that even though the courtroom is now not close to the public and court documents are now not going to be sealed unless there's some specific reason in the future for ceiling them, IT doesn't mean that a court hearing, such as a plea hearing or a motion hearing, has to go into any kind of public calendar. IT doesn't mean that there has to be noticed in out to the media and the public beforehand. So hypothetically, if there is some resolution that's reached to this case, IT really would be a very simple thing to schedule IT, get IT put together very quickly, get him in a court and into a plea.

And of course, the defend can still stipulate to a factual basis without actually going through any of the details of whatever offence may ultimately be charged should he plead to one. Of course, there's no way to have a trial. If IT does go to trial, there's really no way to have that.

And of course, the public would have the right to be there and to see what happens. But in the event of a guilty plea, IT really could be something that could be put together and schedule very quickly and very quietly without notice to anybody. Just because it's in open court doesn't mean that necessarily you're going to be people there to watch IT.

We schedule please. Another routine court appearance on a moments notice is all the time is just simply a matter of calling the judges office and saying, hey, can we do this tomorrow morning or this afternoon or whenever? It's very routine, very simple.

And if the parties were to want to do this secretly, or mostly secretly, IT would be an easy thing to accomplish. But on baLance, I think the judge get IT right. I think that this order is what you should be.

IT allows the public to talk about the case. IT allows the media to talk about the case that lets the family talk about the case. And IT doesn't stand in the way of the podcast continuing on to report what we learn about what happened to terror.

IT doesn't stop the podcast from talking to people. IT doesn't stop anybody from talking to anybody, except IT only limits what law enforcement in the parties to the case can say about IT. One more interesting thing that this order does is that brings into the class of affected people, the people that are bound by the gag order.

IT brings bodice and his lawyer into the coverage of of who can talk. Now he's not a party to this particular case. Where is the state of georgia forces? Ryan duke, but he is specifically reference in this order.

And that is a little bit unusual, but under the circumstances of this case, not unexpected. And I think it's something that everybody, the district attorney and the defense and probably but dux wanted in. They order gives them some cover so that they can answer questions or can't say things publicly.

Other than that, I like IT. I think it's a good order. So interesting tidbits in IT, but it's the right thing to .

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One thing i've been desperately trying to figure out is what on earth ryan duke was doing at terrorist house that night, a burglary. I'm just not buying IT. I had talked to several ryans former classmates and friends, but I still felt I knew absolutely nothing about him.

I knew that, unlike his body bow dukes, ryan did not have a criminal record. But what about any other runs with the law over the course of twelve years? Did you have any at all? Well, turns out he did .

on the night .

of february twenty of two thousand and ten, a ciller police pulled over a vehicle on the tip in highway. The driver was ryan duke. He was speeding and driving without a license.

When the officer proceeded to talk to duke, he noted his slut speech in the smell of alcohol on his breath. Duke denied drinking but failed the breath lizer test. He was subsequently charged for A D, U, I, but was released on bond to his mother at two thirty five A M.

Approximately three hours after the dui incident, ryan duke's mother called the ozella police with an unusual request. SHE insisted that he wanted to come off the bond for mister duke and have the police pick up her son. Immediately, deputies picked up to and return him to jail.

The reason for duck's mother's change of heart is unknown. The family declined to comment other in tea Green state's murder. This is duke's only other arrest.

In the days after ryan dux arrest, and for the record, before the gago was in place, going to call from someone on the inside, someone who had interactions with ryan duke while he was in jail, this person's identity, borrow main anonymous, and their voice has been disguised.

The way that we do suicide watches shop but naked, and they have nothing but just suicide marked in the suicide game. He has one I was kind of when in them and I ask him, I said 我 里面 截图。 What he told me was that he did something bad, a long tomato, and that IT was a long story.

He was in our medical unit, and he was in his, now transferred to are a special housing unit. He is sitting there on a one, on one watch. Body is watching him twenty four hours a day.

When he came in for A D. Y, he was placed on suicide. Sui thought, are three levels to be truth out.

Watch level one and level two. You still thank you. You just have nothing, but they are super big and suicide. And level three, you are get your close in your property, but you don't have any property at the time. You don't have that and easily nothing but like a thing right now.

Ryan duke was currently on suicide watch not only in two thousand seventeen, but also back in two thousand ten when he was arrested for as D Y. I found that really strange because he piano of getting caught the first time, surely they think are printed him when he was arrested. Was he sort of a match?

In an attempt against more insight on rain and just who he was, I spoke to another former friend of his.

Ran last my fall, him within a seven I had just moved to his, started working you for you. He called me out the boy one day, if about, I have not contact with the problem around more. And may six, I will 找到 一个 人类。 Everybody were hating on a lot to you.

You kind of the next time of the probably the number or january, january, able able to see probably just when I moved back 再说。 So I got up with and he was with, follow this and trial, yeah, kind hina within a working in trial that he was still very, very close to him about the so well I would everything out in both animals. This is a little different, uh, over a lot more with draw then one more than like a thousand fluent both ways.

Whenever we all hang out together, he was mee Jason from both and in around sometimes an old forward. J in iran has some top of disagreement. I'm not sure really what happened to the two open, but they had a falling out.

I really, never really had a lot of money. Never really had a old no close to a family laugh, did really have anything. I just go away.

And he is, but he was a real good guy. I used more than people doing you. What are you would be out.

Um but this is certainly as I that around have been well with especially two to three blocks from where both moves without having a car and boat and know that he was there. And then all the certain brand makes a good shopping a little hate. So by the way, I need to hill like that thing really, really auto IT.

Well, the wear part to me was that how in the world does ryan end up over at here at home? I mean, I guess with IT, with both mom being so close and there were a couple of the friends and lived there as a tom former, are a reminder ah there was like three girls and I know and they were around the same age and is a lot of people around his and graduated did I mean was a before a half month or mile radius where those bombs, where do those mom is from the court house and then it's probably of five, eight minute all I mean it's not all that's like right next determines yeah that's okay now that will show me an art is there around with the light? First of those mother without have a translation and though not know about IT beforehand because run was in pod 的 人 他们， but he was here in this show or in this moment, he didn't have a house with home.

What I was going, the friends be that close to go out the bone out, no, but is is, is well needed that out the details to come out of and I said that I don't know. I've never heard of Carry before this happened anything about her that like I have been brought out in the news and and speculation members? I feel like they, I say, with her house being so close to both house and both being the way that heat was like, I say, people to go along with the party, I felt like I may be in party together can happen.

Both got aggressive in a three doubt was there with them and I don't run was the one back away from a fight with his friend so for him, for IT to be that he uses fair hands to kill somebody like I still, I still don't process as true, just like say yes and we ve been exposed by what I am to wait for something else to come out as well. The other people, so not not immediately, I guess, subjectively puts him short oil date. They put him right into the city of being in and being mayor.

Help someone because he was that that would like more effective for you kind of thing. And I feel like the phone, maybe I freak out after whatever happened, happened and didn't know what to do and then commit around. Well, you were here.

They are playing you just much of me. What do we do? Um I mean, I guess they did whatever been there was with. Yeah, I mean, that's what everyone premium IT is.

Or so surprised that if ryan being charged with the more and though as an acceptor after the fact and that is just so plugging to everybody, i'm going to figure out if that because there was the side of bryan that nobody knew that was capable of doing this or if he wasn't the person who did this, if ryan did have or does have that, though. The only other person that has seen IT will never be able to. Anybody when he moved to fish will make him get 不错。

The old time, I never like he never even at violence. We were not a group. But because this, why we kind of that with each other for the body and company, we can see gether.

Well, there was the innocent when that, where I thought we were about in a file of the guys and and run, we turned around. He was even bigger, like he wasn't. Oh yes, let's do IT or if I got Better.

He just have never found in a this publication what's however and when we asked to him about IT, you do where to go? Like turn around you. Oh, I I say for you for that whole thing to come out that he did bare hands, and was that good and why I. I don't have always how is ryan with girl? Take a hole for reminding.

I guess he wasn't give the girl just to look out with her like he wanted a girl that I would want to sit at home a much on friday who came out, you know, just, you know, hey, I listen to a song but whatever turn me and he was into and like he would show, make the mix city for her of saying, like, never to straight around but like, oh, hi, I have feel to figure out like you looking on a day like you moral, you kind of make you feel right for him and away but I all kind of call me like I got what you at all but that really wasn't here like, like a friend. We annoyed, but is way with girls. I mean, when I get some help school where everything is completely different, but it's so easy to be like, oh, you know for me, nobody you know no girls like me and say like that and I want, you know, go for you and that china, I looked to me and I and I hate to play that.

But he was supply that is not a date and he was kind all about the room and you know you know I love you to think out and doing for what I know from, I can't believe to heat them all this so um. The guy he was, he's not that smart of a person. The one commit the crime to cover at all and three, convince somebody to be an accessory with him after the bag that does not fit around at all.

Um is not are they very, very straight forward? There's no hidden doors and that they're had out like I say, giving right now, he told me was one of the he did is we have everything we need to convict me so you tell me what you take on IT is I believe that I may. I say they was there.

They hit his braking in the other, whatever. There was no time of four hundred, whatever. Maybe he got to filter.

He rejected his advances. One, the problem, and maybe they were take, or about the stache, and he rejected with that point. Make him that I say he's never been to to the version, whatever. But for here you do open stat that any complications. I can have to get that, the man.

He, like everyone else, didn't seem to think that ryan was capable of this either. The ryan just snap.

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I called upon a forensic psychologist named dog Miller, who has years of experience dealing with all types of alleged murderer. Maybe he adds some insight. So what is IT about the quiet guys? Maybe it's just what I hear in the news and what you see on TV, but there's something a stigma with that with the quiet guy who you never expected is always the one is, is that the case for you? Is that just sort of A A myth?

Well, I think maybe a myth. I think the difference is like one of some really aggressive, loud moth of noxious, violent person is not so surprising, but when it's a quiet, sweet person or someone who just sort of unassuming or not really standing out, it's just more surprising. And I think maybe that accounts for IT. Now that said, if there is a kind of psychotic process or a psychopathology that pulls the person outside of society, and what can make someone alone is that they have very strange thoughts and people like keep their distance. They pull back in .

the last episode in a call, one of ran dux friends, he told me about a strange phone college out from a one time where he basically confessed about hooking up with some girl. He told me a shood at the same thing. So i'll talk about .

IT hearing that as a forensic psychologist, IT could be relevant. IT could be relevant in the sense that it's not going to tell us much about his frame of mind at the time of the crime though if he's evidencing some very bizarre behavior after the crown and you can show similar types are the same type of behavior before the crime, and then really the important piece of showing IT around the time of the crime to show that maybe he was in some kind of alter state one way another.

You don't want to put the car before the horse, cause before effect. Now where you are assuming that ryan did commit the crime was at least and very heavily involved how that affected him and his behavior after it's like i'm aware of the fact that he reportedly has had a drinking problem for many years. So that conversation that he had with a friend that you just brought up know is that a drunk guy calling someone and just battling about random stuff that may have bothered him a little bit or or was there some guilt this guy has been Carrying and he just trying to relieve the themselves in this kind of sort of symbolic way by talking about the other thing that he felt bad about?

Yes, you know, whether that comes into play or not in the trial is unclear. But just to kind of show you the kind of thinking that can go into that kind of pieces, data when I was alluding to what I I gave that example as representing is what you might cause symbolic expiation. It's a symbolic act that it's symbolic in the fact that IT may be related to the murder. It's a brief relief of a confession, is an expiation a release of guilt but it's not only symbolic because it's actually about something else that maybe another person might not have Carried. They not have the original, the major source of the guilt.

Now you can talk about IT because you going to get in trouble if he wasn't just a random, basically like, sure, they knew each other, but then the questions, how much did they know each other? Because you ask what cosmetics question, what causes this kind of behavior? And of course, most people go, well, was there something going on in terms of an intimate relationship and and that could be an uncomfortable thing to bring up for the victim's family or or just in general, know people are well aware of of crimes of passion and and when emotion gets involved at work on other capital cases where husband was killed, the wife and the husband was actually very dependent on the wife, had a low I.

Q. And he took care of business, and I was an emotional support. But the passion took over and resulted in a really grizzly murder. And so these are the questions, but the only questions, and I haven't heard anything yet, and I don't think you have yet, that they had any type of real personal involvement.

And I just want to say I really do appreciate your sophistication and and sensitivity around all the kinds of tough issues that this all brings up for everyone, for some people and sometimes for everyone. Um appreciate that. So this is the relationship thing and that's kind of an easy one, right? If that's like simple, we got IT. Okay, this is what happen.

That's okay. Yes, okay. We just .

take another angle on IT. Like and again, this a total construction but most of us of you like a crash on a teacher at some point in our school. scary. And it's conceivable that ryan may have held some kind of feelings that he never communicated to to terror and um Carry that with him.

And then you know, if drugs were involved in the movement of a man's mind and a man's heart, well, in the drugs, that thing could become even bigger or grown over time. And and he may have gone to her in some passionate stay, as like a person that actually had a relationship with someone had and SHE responded negatively, or confusions ly, at least if this is the scenario, sure. And maybe in his, if he wasn't a derange state, that's how the whole thing went down.

And that's a possibility. And again, you know, maybe the psychologist that evaluate him, and pretty sure this will be case that gets evaluated by a psychologist yeah and um may find out that you know or something else. The other thing is he went to her house, was IT during a burglary? Was IT merely for self game and money? And then I turned bad and IT turned to do a murder.

Those are all kind of aggravating circumstances. no. And other thing is, you know, afterwards, the kind of planned ness, the way that they systematically covered things up, could be an aggravating thing in that.

Well, that was kind of call blood that IT was planned out. They were in their right minds. This was not A A random, violent, active compassion person.

This was a methodical crime. So all that may come into play as painting the negative picture of the defended. One thing that the defense is gona consider is an insanity defense. If there's a possibility of that IT has to be considered, that would be a sort of responsible practice. Take a look at that.

And there's just things that seem at awake about this whole the whole crime and who did IT and and who the victim? What right does something doesn't seem right, not that any murder, right? What I mean is that this, just in something strange, happened here.

yes. And everyone shocked that he was that disguise has been figured at this point. Insanity is not guilty by reason of insanity. And gi, and there are two standards for that in georgia, and that's Operating under a delusional compulsion.

And that would be something like the double came in and told me he was gone to kill everyone in our ciller if I didn't kill tower. And so I was doing IT to save everyone and really believing that that's A A, A delusion. It's psychotic.

It's a complete lack of attachment to actual reality. This second standard is the inability to distinguish right from raw psychosis. It's end, or the inability stinging right from month.

Because if you're Operating under the delusional compulsion, then you assuming right, is doing what these authors fluctuations told you, and the belief that the devil is gonna kill everyone else, right? But the inability distinguish from one can emerge from a number of factors, including like intellectual deficit, momentary states of confusion, other kinds of false beliefs that maybe don't reach illusional levels. There's a whole range of of ideas that things that can disconnect someone from the ability distinguish right from wrong.

It's rare. I mean, our society depends on that ability that we all act in a way that that is right and not wrong, you know. And sure, people take little privileges here and there with IT, but murder is quite a substantial one. Now both of those standards is a very, very high illegal standard. In other words, there has to be some serious, heavy evidence to support either one of those or both.

A lot of what doug and I talked about was just speculation, but the idea that ryan, I have developed some sort of unhealthy obsession with teachers, or just tear specifically, seemed to fit Better with the way has been described to me. The burglary theory just wasn't cutting IT. That was in a silla last week, I paid a visit to duc vassy over at those siller star just to catch up and talk about everything.

I feel like I was walk woken up by this. I don't think, obviously asn't not expect in that anything that happened like this happen.

Yeah, you know where we started, me seriously try to picture .

right here.

And we are like, great picture. The first time I ever came here what the hello gies think was going to happen. Be honest with me.

I thought you, I thought you do like ten episodes and then that would be, you know remember that time that there was a bug case by case that knows there will be in after ran got arrested. There is a lot of speculation going to know about who is not get arrested and not sure a lot of people got often wrapped ed up in that, oh my guns, money at about and talk about. And of course, one person did get arrested to buy dukes. But their press conference, when I when it's sunk to me that she's really dead.

I felt like light headed. I hadn't felt like that in my whole life, something i'm being dramatic.

But I really, I was, I was with.

I know exactly. I was just overwhelmed. I was nervous, I was scared.

I was excited. I was in disbelief. It's like, yeah, this is a story to me. Yes, this is a pocket, but I feel like i'm a part of this, not just because of the pocket. I personally feel like i'm part of this .

or you are I think you .

are that was different about IT. It's not what I .

started out to be.

No, I was just trying to tell story in the beginning, but now i'm trying to seek justice beyond just fighting out what happened to tera. And that's for personal reasons yeah and that's what's crazy about the whole story. I always thought that somebody did murder ata, but we didn't know why. Yeah I didn't know that I couldn't come out and say with one hundred percent confidence. But I always thought IT.

oh yeah, I think most would.

But when somebody else that when the gba tells everybody publicly that this is who murder terrero and there's a face to the person and I can see him and he looks at me and we're looking at each .

other when I found out that he was really did, I don't know .

that that's what OK.

because there always something .

that she's out there.

And I think I think part of IT, because I do when I was driving work that day, I was really like the idea across my mom that he might they might be announced and she's alive because, you know, I heard that was a good news. So something good news.

Maybe they found .

her alive and so I but the time to come around yeah so I was pretty certain .

that when .

can be IT but when they announced that he was charged with murder, farewell as a part of me that, I mean, we came really sad and that sadness, the time has turned in anger. Because yeah.

What I can say is just in the last few days, we have started conducting some interviews and that lead us to brand do. And his name never come up forward. IT had not.

IT had not. This gentleman never came up on our right are screen. SHE sent me the name no look because said, yeah, that team didn't SHE call of me and he says, this is the peak anulka story.

So yeah, that is, yeah, do you know? He said, we heard about this ten years ago. The gbs said that his name, rand duke's name, had never appeared on their rate up before.

That is not accurate. He has been questioned. The gbr had the exact scenario that played out two weeks after tired dispair since the day .

of ryan dux arrest. I have her for more than one incredible source that, in some capacity, law enforcement knew about this. Twelve years ago, I followed up with dusty again, and this is what he told me.

I now tell you, before the press covert started, I got a call from somebody this paci c. col. Said there was a party back in two thousand five, and a believe ran was talking and had said something to my killer instead. So somebody came forward and reported IT in in two thousand five and gave someone in law enforcement, ran his name. I ve since learned that I was investigated and that they didn't find anything investigated .

as and went to .

the pick on orchard. I've heard this from multiple sources, more than one person. That makes me believe it's true.

So if that's true, then one of the gb, I say that ryan duke was never on their radar. Or if someone from a local agency, somehow i'd like to tell them about this.

Some iran Candy or he do still a little fortunate visual do about this location. There's a few weeks I determinism and kid from the gba hotel was they were having a party. They have the pick and orchard just we could do after that when this one of the boys got drunk, I was talking a lot about what they were saying. And this person very, and culture with this element to those similar problem, are going to which one and told him. And somebody from one of those departments went out to the picture what you to the spot and didn't do anything and didn't to have dba.

Maybe they thought there was really nothing to IT and just disregarded IT. Either way, that would be a huge mistake sending the entire town of oil la in the gba themselves on a wild twelve year goose chase. I ve been treading very soft ly in this area, and I ve been hesitant to share anything until I felt like the information I was getting was indeed the truth.

There is clearly more to the story, and i'm avidly investigating IT right now. Who else is at this party who told the local local enforcement about this and what was actually done? I hope that the podcast, like a student in the past, but help bring those who know something forward.

At first, open, vanish, was about figuring out what happened to terror, and is safe to say. Now they were much closer to getting that answer. But beyond just solving the mystery, this is also about justice and seeking the truth, all of the truth, no matter how ugly IT may be.

So that being said, i'll continue digging, and I would like to encourage anyone else who knows something to come forward and share that information. We've all heard by now the many stories from former friends and classmates of ryan and bow that ryan just doesn't fit the bill. If we believe what the state is saying that ryan do killed terror by himself with his bare hands.

And what are we missing here? What do they know that we don't? And trust me, I thought a lot about that. And up until this point, I have found nothing at all about ryan that suggest any sort of plausible motive for her murder. But the other day I found something that really got my ears turning.

What am about to read you is a facebook message sent by ryan duke to another former teacher of his on April twenty seventh, two thousand and fifteen, at six twenty two A M. The message leads, how are you just an older, wise or fool seeing how you were doing? God a admit, thought you were sexy.

Things aren't great for me, but it's okay. Life is a singularity we all share. If this is the last we speak, I want you to know you're a wonderful teacher in a kind person. Thank you for allowing my stuff and self to learn. I wish you the best, ryan, a duke.

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