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I'll send you a booking message or both talks about how ryan early ryan brought the body to his booking farm and just dumped there on the edge of the form and apparently he didn't til go about IT for four days and then bowling and just did book and damage control.

I'll send you the flocking .

message for both. Ryan, what do I ryan brought the body to his booking farm, just dumped IT on the edge, the farm, and in the mary. He didn't tell both Better for four days. But when age is like fucking .

damage control. More than forty .

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Take Green said, charging ryan Alexander do with the murder of their Green city .

hotel for A T. V in atlanta. This is up and vanished. The investigation of terror. Instead, i'm your host pin. At the end of the last episode, I played a call from one of both duke's friends, who I called darin.

Darna had reached out to me right after I an dux arrest, and began sharing with me his text message conversations between him and bow. This went on for months until the last epsom, actually, when I revealed a portion of our first call together, I told you that I wasn't his real voice. That's because IT wasn't.

He was scared about his identity being revealed, not to bow, but to the public. So he made a distorted voice transfer ript of the call. But since the last episode air dare and changes his mind, and he agreed to let me use his real voice in the podcast. So here, IT is.

don't even know how to begin. I mean, i'm sure you have toying your questions. How how about you just help me with one?

okay. So is there anybody else besides ryan do involved in terrorist disappearance or murder?

Okay, so maybe we should start from my connection to all this band. I were remains in the military. And from that relationship that we had, we actually became france.

And you, we were confident each other. The military obviously, is a certain connection that people draw from that. And we had that and relationship boat had mentioned once that he was aware of a body that have been Better.

At that time, you know, I mean, I just thought of IT as mojo tag or shit dog. I mean, we were heavy and party animals, work hard, play hard mentality kind of thing. And I never really ever asked him any more details are just, I litter, just attend until I fucked up .

before a shared once again.

i'm just trying to help you click gether the pieces of this this case but yeah, he told me, he told me a while though, and I already talked the g bi. And I told the g bi all this as well. So I told the g bi, actually everything i'm telling you, he had made a comment, and I bring IT office mojo dog.

But yes, he told me, honestly, so good, two thousand and nine, honestly, I don't remember me. This is years ago. A lot of water does the bridge. And then now if you would have mentioned the names to mean if he would have made IT more real than I think that would have done something sooner.

You know, that's the thing like i'm senior beef myself, but maybe I could have my own research figured out that maybe that he was the one I never did IT and I never wanted you honestly, boy, shout to me. He talked to me. I don't know.

I don't think that was very many friends and I think that he wanted to tell something about IT give me anyone told me everything that he knew as well. He told me awards. Now what are not? It's true. I mean, i'm taking to all great assault. I'm not the investigated how the one that knows what's going on, but he told me what a bit and i'm going to share that I with you because I guess said I don't think that the presentation give to the public will be Better than.

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So got drunk one night on jumping. Got drunk on jumping one night. He told his girlfriend. And SHE got scared and told her mother, her mother's, the one that went the police and told them, is that happened? You know, her mother obviously told boy k is not okay once the cops and boy got to wear mediately.

So he went to later and he was able to approach the dub I and get an community clean. So bow is absolutely free right now. I'm pretty sure he will remain free from what I understand from him.

But no, he based went to them and he's like, okay, i'll tell you with a murder was if you give me an immunity, al here's involved was that he was him and right they're not a relation. They were just friends and they were rome into the time. So from what I understand from.

Around the events of some big festival. And ryan knew that all the towns over be distracted. So we went over there, rober house. And once again, this is just from bow.

If there is any kind of roommate relationship and ever told me about IT and bow, actually even ask and for details once you never, ever, ever talk about. Now they are living on a house on the outside of both family peak on form. So bow told me that after haven't ryan was able to get the body on a peak on form, ryan brought the body to the peak on farm and alerted there.

Now he told me that he ryan didn't even tell him about IT until four days after. The fact of so at the four days passed ran eventually told both. Well, have to dispose .

the body.

And how was that?

All of my information and i've gone for both been due to text messages. So a lot of my idea inference you know of any night he sent me text messages, I read the number and i'm putting into piece together myself when though originally went to the gba, after everything already told you, the gba were sketched there, like, okay, we need some evidence. Obviously, all policy devens can just come to somebody where I can and never did IT.

So from there they had to collaborate boat store in the other way. And the way that back on collaborating IT was actually a couple of friends that he had talked about this with prior, including me. So basically to collaborate both story that tbi had a talk to me and a few of the individuals you bow said that he had told in the past.

So both OK, you know, you know, i'm not lying there, other people I talked about this at one time, or points. And tbi, I OK give us some names. We're in all to.

So the g. Bi contacted these. now. I K. Did forever things in you about a disappearance of a body or anything like that, every basically said yes. And from there the gb, I was able to .

get a warm and then .

the arrest has made. And that's bitterly the extent of my bollman i've been keeping over the discussion. Boat broke on her too. She's not shy about this.

Should and I think it's because once again, at this point time though, as a new deal, so I think they think that they're untouchable, which is kind of not of okay. Think to feel like in my opinion, I mean, I only see at this point I don't even want to talk about anymore. I don't want anything to do with is there was IT was just weird IT was an honestly weird experience. I'm pretty different about my feelings in all this like I don't know if I should have spoke up earlier when he first mentioned IT to me but the truth is, like, how the sock should I ve known?

You know what .

did at this point in my life? I'm saying plug but like, yeah, we are friends. He told me this and I is fucking peer gossip.

But at this point, you that I am a fucking ing Normal guy. Bow has a union is my friend like, I think that's wrong. I think boat deserves to go to fuck in jail just as much as anybody else.

Whatever he told me is quite right on par with whatever he told the gba with this unity, you know, I mean, so what are not? I will figure out the truth. I mean, I doubt, man, I mean, both not a flog dump individual.

He's a guy. So I have a feeling that you will not deviate from his original story. I feel like i'm fucking working with you now.

I guess I am. IT is a small town. These people, people, they know each other. Everyone know each other. I went there so wants to both find.

And we visited their once, and the fucking and share wrote LED up to the fucking house, just like, hey, how's a going? everybody? Hey, bow has a going like, they fucking know each other and I IT is absolutely one of those things where it's like, yeah, we all want to get the truth.

But like, how many people are actually flocking complicit who the flog knows it's so funny it's to like all this shape like I think bogus boots by your podcast. I really do like the fact that he's sent their fucking choring people too. It's like, do you have any fucking real? And this I don't think he does.

Do I .

think the gb, I just is heavy with the case, be unsettled, which is absolutely .

fudging, unfortunate.

So darn was an old friend of bose who got roped into this mess because at one point in time, boat told him me he knew where a dead body was. And when IT became time for the g. bi.

To CoOperate, both story daring was one of the first people on the list, and he told the gba everything he told me. And as for the other people, bow told he did know all of them. Just the one's bow had sent in a text message.

Both text messages said this, Emily, two guys from mozilla brook, my cousin, impossibly others I don't remember telling. I've learned that Emily is both x wife and brook is both current girlfriend. But as for the two guys from a sillar and his cousin, we still exactly know. But one thing for sure, he was both girlfriend, brook that brought the tip to the gb I through mom. So if anyone besides bone with the truth IT will be her broadcast to know everything.

If you haven't heard the new sia last week, there was some pretty major movement in this case on thursday may forth was ryan dux arrayment at the iron county course in a .

siller thirty three year old road dukes, a man is scheduled at the iron county courthouse and thirty tomorrow morning, a judge cross court room and a man is a rating of charges against the defendant. And the defendant is expected to interact.

play before the court the day finally come for ran due to hear as official charges listed in the court of law, a long awaited step for justice in the .

terrain stick case. The feeling inside the court room this morning matched the weather outside for most of the south georgia today. The public was done. Everyone was anticipating ryan duke to walk through the doors.

but he didn't. Ryan duke didn't show in his place was his attorney.

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认为。

我的 意见。

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IT didn't sound dramatic, but what ryan dukes attorney filed was not what everyone was expecting. So what exactly does this mean? Did ryan duke just wave the arrangement?

So it's so it's not guilty ably in wave of raigmore wave of raining or not guilty people by his lawyer.

Ryan due essentially pleaded not guilty to the murder of terrain. Stead, who is saw that coming.

Ryan duke, he was arrested in or an county for the murder of Terry grinstead. Wait this arrangement hearing today in our town superior courts. That waver is an automatic plea of non guilty.

Duke is not there, but is attorney john mobile wave. The arrangement on the half of duke IT means that do kinnock gy that is aware of the charges against him and he is entering an initial plea of not guilty. Law experts say it's highly likely he won't be tried in or in county IT will take a lot of time and money, but the court will have to find another location to try him. That location has to have a similar demographic as or in county.

After the announcement, I come up with dusty vi. I'm sure you heard, heard.

so you have to Randy, his attacking interred, not guilty too. He also entered a only bus motion and discovery request, which is a part page document, makes we ask in proud the prosecution evidence, create this part page document to ask for discovery, and all the evidence that seems like he's prepared for child at a distance. So you would make somebody have to copy all the evidence in this case, unless you were prepared, and to get a trail. These are every interview, every police report, every everything related to the case that is supposed to be the largest case .

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Rondeel waved his arrayment. That simply means that he told the judge through his lawyer. I don't need to have the charges read out loud. We've got a copy of the environment he's represented by competent council. There's no need to have a formal aramid process.

The attorney also filed various petrol l motions, including a motion for discovery, which means that based they're asking the prosecutor to send them a copy of everything we've got in their case file. Now this is an extremely large case file from an investigative perspective, it's likely that IT could take quite some time, maybe even weeks for months, just simply to get the material to the defense council. And then the defense council has to dodge just each and every item of evidence.

So if they are going to do their job, they're onna have to look for any factual defenses and illegal defenses or anything else that might be in their clients benefit before they make the decision about whether not to take the case to trial. That's how I typically works. Of course, there can be an exception in any case.

And this case, as we have already seen, has proceeded like none other in many ways. So well, what i've just described as the traditional way IT doesn't mean it's necessary going to happen that way, but this is a procedural thing, the plea of not guilty to be changed at any time. But in order to do his due diligence, his lawyer is ethically obligated to go through all this material before you cut a deal to plead someone, even if it's to a reduce senate or reduce charge.

You've got to do you do diligence. You've got to make sure that you look for legal and facial defences, things that can help you acquire in the event that you may have overlook something. So you don't, anna, overlook things you want to be thrown and careful, get IT done right.

Auto believe the decision about whether to go to trial is one that the defendant and only the defendant can make. It's usually done after consultation with council and perhaps family members, but in any event, it's ryans decision to make and his alone. If a plea offer is made, the da would convey that to his lawyer, who would then be ethically obligated regardless of what the offer is. He has to take IT to the client and let the client consider IT. The judge ultimately would have to decide whether or not a fair trial could be had in a row in county.

I don't think really there's any disagreement that there's just no way that you could you could pick a jury in iron county that has not developed some opinions about this case and probably holds onto those very strongly and could not listen to the evidence and base their decision just on what they hear in the core of the chances are very high, just nine, nine point nine percent or higher that they would have to be moved. There's just no way. And then the judge have to pick a jurisdiction in the state, georgia, that has similar demographics.

Erin cali, and if you've ever been to earn, can you like you and I have you know that the demographics there are fairly unique. So it's going to be a chAllenge for the judge to find a place in the state, georgia, to have a trial. But that enough itself is a tall order IT IT takes a while to logistically ally set everything up for a change of venue.

You've got to move not only the defendant whose in custody, so that means that law enforcement involved. You got to move court staff to some place sales in the state. You've got to provide house sing for the judge.

You've to provide housing for the defense team. You get to provide housing for the witnesses. Basically, you just pick up the entire move IT on the road. The only thing different is that the jury would come from another calling baseline .

house pacific. The endive ment documents were stating that ryan duke uses hand singular IT seemed likely that in some capacity he confessed the crime. Maybe that wasn't the case. I asked Philip about .

that even if he did confess or if he made some incriminating statements, you gotta keep in mind that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be admissible. One of the things that the attorneys will do will be to evaluate the circumstances of surrounding the way law enforcement obtained the statement or the confession.

If there was one, they've got to make sure that IT was freely and voluntarily, given that IT wasn't made in violation of his Mandate. If he was in custody and he was interrogated without having his Manda ized read to him, that would affect whether not his statement can be used against him. IT would almost be malpractice to rush into a really quick, fast track.

Please deal without going through everything. This has been said to be the largest case found the criminal case file in the history of the state or with A G and i've seen some very, very large files in my career. And those files sometimes take years to resolve.

If they've got to look through every item of evidence this could take a while. They need to look for any evidence that this scope atria nature. There's a lot of things in this case file, no doubt, that are completely irrelevant to these defendants because as we've seen, there's been lots of leads that were followed up on that didn't amount to anything. But if you were going to defend this case and you were going to say that really wasn't my guy, the defense is gonna to explore all of that.

So they're going to have to go through all these leads that turned out to be to see if they were in fact delians or did the gba misinterpret something? Did they overlook something? Did they just simply not follow up on something that they should have when other leagues or tips were coming in while the parties are trading the evidence back and forth? And there is a recipe c obligation if the defense has any evidence that they want to use in their case and chief, there's an obligation that they give most of that stuff over to the prosecution as well.

But the flow of information is almost entirely one direction in these cases. From the defense perspective, it's probably a lot like drinking from a firehose SE because the'd got a lot of stuff just coming out and really fast wall that's going on. They're going to explore the legality of any statements.

They're going to look into any police deals that may be in works for maybe a witness like a modus. One of the things I thought was a motion to reveal the deal. So any specifics of any plea deals or promises of leniency or immunity ity deals, anything that's been offered to bodog will have to be given over in detail to ran dukes at turn so that they can use IT in the event of a trial.

So that would work like this. When bot kes to stand a testify and his cross examine, the jury gets to hear all of the details about the Price that the state is paying them, basically for his testimony paying him in the sense that he's getting a huge benefit. And the idea would be to cast him in the light that you're just saying this because this is what the prosecution wants you to say, and you're doing IT so that you can avoid very serious consequences.

You're doing this so you can avoid criminal conviction really isn't IT true that the other way around you're just saying this because this is what the prosecutor in his play deal has induced you to do. If he has some particular insensitive to testify in a certain way, he goes to to his motive to fabricate testimony or to change testimony or to say things that aren't necessarily one hundred percent accurate. So if ryan case goes to trial, but is going to have to test for and he's going to have to satisfy that condition of truthful testimony and CoOperation because if he doesn't live up to his part of the deal, then the deal can be revote.

So ryan says he's not guilty, at least according to what is a turney file in court. And as for as we know, IT IT appears that both may have some sort of immunity deal if bod VS from the truth or he doesn't hold up us into the bargain and he could lose that community. This means, assuming both sticks to his original story, he's going to have to implicate ryan and core.

He's going to have to step up from hand that gag order and make that statement public. This means, but we've gone from helping, right, and dispose of terrorist body to incriminating his once roommate and ultimately having him convicted of murder. So now is bose word versus ryan's word, neither one or both of them line.

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As much information as there was flying around of seller, there was still very little. We knew about what actually happened to tera. The g bi claims ryan duke kelter with his hand late in the night of october twenty thirty, two thousand and five, after unlovely entering your home with the intent to commit a theft, and then bodow comes into the picture and allegedly helps ran cover up the crime, but disposing of terrorist body. But that's pretty all we know.

How did ran get the terrace house? Was he on foot? Did he drive? Was he driving a black truck? And how to? Ryan managed to get terrors body from our house all the way out to the peak on ortel and fits jerold completely undetected.

Still, so many on answer questions, but recently some new information surfaced that suppose bly came directly from the grand jury. If you remember, all the members of the grand jury in this case were presented with the state's evidence against ryan duke, but they were sworn to secrecy. But just last week, something prety interesting happened, does he?

Vassy, who was originally on the grand jury but decided to opt out, received a letter in the mail, as did all the other members of the grand jury. The letter read this, dear mr. vassy.

Circumstances following the April twelve meeting of the grand jury require inquiry to the means by which certain information presented the grand jury was released publicly. We would like to meet with you prior to the next scheduled meeting of the grand jury. In that regard, I have scheduled time to meet the own county courthouse at ni clocks I M on mass second two thousand and seventeen in order to accomplish this inquiry.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter. paul. About in. So was there leak from the grand jury that certainly sounded like IT? Dusty went to the courthouse on my second as instructed, and I called to ask him about .

IT if they were looking for a grand jury like they we're looking for how information from the grand jury became public knowledge waited for a little bit. They started colour names in poor people off. About time I get out. The only two left, they come me back to a room and there were two um testers on that vine. They were asking amount and names.

apparently two different people from the open. The discussion board had leaked information from the grand jury in the gb. I wanted to know who I asked me .

for what my Green name was on there. Of course there is a little border. And they asked me if I had a contact with those two people are I was mere with them, and one of them sounded from mere.

And I turned out less than when I tried to reach out to the other one. I didn't. I didn't recognize the name, but I probably had read some their post. You know, I didn't really eating motion for what he was looking for or so when I get to the end, he says, the evening more information is pernent to the investigation and I said, well.

maybe right before dusty, never with the gb, I, he released an article on his blog at rational to a fault dot com. In his article, dusty claim to have talked to someone who received information from the grand jury. And this was not the same person.

The gb. I was looking fora from the urban and discussion board. This was someone different. The g bi obviously asked him about this.

They ask for my, I T, about, which was the one they were looking at for. But I won't give name ready when the screen name, when iisi, they asked me like three times so I don't i've decided that to be a journalist and there is not in I mean not even just as a journalist that somebody asked me to protect their work and you to keep their name confidential you know that's ah as a human descent saying to me um you know I said we're best again to chrome and is serious but to me it's serious to keep your word is money do so they asked me like three times and I mean they wants to call with IT but they didn't push me to our leaders I D indemnity even I see I fail intimated by the situation, but they didn't overtly, you know, try to intimidate me or they didn't pressure me too hard.

They just like three, four times me, you know, they told me not about on things came from the granddad and the D, B, A, and called the district ning in. They talked and then they come back back there again until me, I shouted report on things that may have come from the injury and I said, I don't know they came for the Green jury and they said, well, you were told to came from the grand jury as if that was now the end of IT or whatever. But I personally feel like I don't know what happened in the graduation room because I part of the deliberations. So what was all point of even excuse me, from the great injury if I can't reborn on something that didn't kill as hard now from the grand jy home?

Dusty stuck to his guns and didn't reveal source to the g bi. Or even me for that matter. The details about what information did exactly emerge from the grand jury league or a little monkey.

But from my own source i've gathered, IT was said that ryan duke was inside terrorist home, and he was a sleep. Once he woke up, he hit her in the next morning, you after her body and blanket, and took her out of the orchard. If anything, this made things seem of them more confusing. But apparently the gb I felt that these statements have some merit.

So I found myself in a wear position. Now you've come a real long way and learning the truth about what happened the telegram did. But we have been left of what feels like even more questions.

And even if there is a trial that could be months or even years before we know the truth, and still then the gb, I can keep this case open indefinitely. All we can do is keep searching. Hold under the hope that one day the truth will finally come out.

Every story has an ending. Sometimes they're puzzling or even unsatisfying, but in real life you can't control the narrative. Sometimes you only get bits and pieces of the truth.

A few days ago, an individual came forward and reported that they had information in a terrors disappearance. Our case agent, Jason shell, was seen up to conduct in any of you through these interviews. Enough probably calls was discovered so we could swear out an arrest warrant charging ryan Alexander duke with the murder of tea Green state.

But in tea grinstead story, we're going to get the whole truth.

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You want the truth. Here's the truth. I found out on january the chance what happened to terror. Those hoping everything.

I don't know the secret. I don't know why I love you. things. And look, I don't think they would exchange me know I love you that I love, I love you.

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This is brook bodo s. girlfriend. SHE decided to come on record and set the stories straight.

IT had just all been coming to a head. He knew that I was over some of his behaviors. He knew that I was just over the relationship. And I told him was like.

what is IT?

And I said, whatever IT is. I said, you need to tell me. I said, you have to tell me what he is.

But I made him tell me if you, though. He shot me what her lived and just kind drove me around. He then took me out to the orchard.

This pycke has always been about getting to the truth. So with that being said, this story isn't quite over yet.

I mean, it's just kind of a scary place. It's very scary looking. He took me out there and then he shows me the path they had .

taken her down .

piso's twenty seconds. I'll be playing for you all my calls will brook in hopes of getting one step closer to providing the closure the terrace family in this community deserve.

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You here is no such thing as the perfect murder. That's not true because I had a lot of perfect matters.

IT took a years before I was actually able to speak with this guy.

Nobody knew what happened here. Even the police. They didn't have no idea something, only want to know exactly what happened.

The man who says he murdered the nyse philaster. And I find out what really happened that terrible night.

The only two people that know what happened that night is tiny. And him, he is the one that has answers, believe.

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this call from an invade in a jery state prison. Hey.

I have some pretty important questions for you.

I can't wait.