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21 | Statute of Limitations

2017/6/20
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Payne Lindsey: 本集探讨了2005年皮肯果园搜查的新证据,以及诉讼时效对案件的影响。主持人表达了对当地执法部门的不信任,并怀疑存在掩盖真相的情况。他收到了匿名邮件,邮件内容称在溪流边发现了埋藏的警服。之后,他联系了邮件发送者Marie,Marie证实了警服的存在,并提供了更多细节。Payne Lindsey对发现警服的地点和证人可信度表示怀疑,但后来Marie提供了警服的照片和视频,证实了警服的存在,并推测其可能是欧根县警服。根据消息来源,当地执法部门在特里失踪后不久对皮肯果园进行了搜查,但搜查地点错误,且未向联邦调查局报告。主持人分析了2005年皮肯果园搜查与发现的警服之间的潜在联系,并采访了新的证人,提供了关于2005年皮肯果园搜查的更多信息,包括警官艾伦·摩根被告知要掉头返回。主持人表达了对案件中存在秘密和掩盖真相的担忧,并对调查的阻力表示不满。他还讲述了其Facebook账户被黑客入侵的经历,并认为这与案件有关。最后,主持人对案件中的gag order表示怀疑,并推测其原因可能与诉讼时效有关。 匿名邮件发送者: 在溪流边发现了埋藏的警服,并向治安部门报告了此事,认为此事可疑。 Marie: 证实了匿名邮件发送者的说法,并补充了更多关于警服细节的描述。 Philip Holloway: 解释了诉讼时效的法律规定,以及其对案件的影响。他指出,如果执法人员知道某人犯下了行为,那么诉讼时效就开始计算。但是,如果行为或罪犯对当局未知,则诉讼时效可以暂停。对于谋杀罪没有诉讼时效,但其他罪行有。他分析了诉讼时效对博·杜克案件的影响,以及检方如何利用博·杜克的证词来避免诉讼时效问题。 匿名证人: 提供了关于特里谋杀案的细节信息,暗示这些信息可能来自瑞恩·杜克或博·杜克。 当地居民: 对联邦调查局的叙述表示怀疑,认为博·杜克可能在撒谎。

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An anonymous tip leads to the discovery of a buried law enforcement uniform in the woods, raising questions about its connection to the Terry Grinstead case.
  • Uniform found buried in a dry creek bed.
  • Uniform had patches removed, indicating possible foul play.
  • Discovery made by an anonymous individual who contacted the sheriff's department.

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Like I said, I don't know who you're connected to, but especially if if you're somewhere at night around round the county, just just be careful. I just I have a lot of distrust, but because of things same and when my father's law was the sheriff, and for also ninety percent five that the order was covered up as a suicide, things go on there. I will put anything, tech, anybody, everybody can have A A dark night of the soul.

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SHE told me. In all eleven, IT was a ten shirt like shift deputies where? And then there was dark Brown pants with a ten strap down each. sad.

What kind of uniform is this look like?

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Several months ago, before the arrest of ryan duke in bow dux, margot, when shared a tip with me that he felt was very important, right around the time I began looking into this information, the news of the arrest broke in. The entire focus of my investigation shifted instantly, but now that the dust is settling, i've gone back through all this information in this tip, in particular, stood out to me. IT all started with an email. He receives an anonymous email from someone who claimed that they had found an old share of uniform buried in the woods and no ciller. This is how the email read a lot.

Enforcement type uniform was found buried approximately six feet within the embankments of what is now a dry creek bed. The nine, one, one dispatcher asked that I removed the item from the location. I'd found them in and bring them to the share of department.

The items I turned in are one beige shorts, sleeve law enforcement type shirt with circular dark Brown patches on each shoulder, having no visible markings on them. One pair of size, forty two dark Brown trousers with base strips down each leg with the words comfort action, three turn on the inside waste band. I asked to leave my name in number with your own encounter shaves department dispatch.

In the event anyone needed to know the location of where i'd found the clothing, I wrote my name in number and was told he I didn't ask his name. We turn over the items to investigate Rogers in the morning. IT appears the rushing current caused by heavy rains in the past has eroded the creeks and bankers, exposing the clothing that was deeply embedded in the root system and barely visible.

I found the shirt on the invitation directly cross from the trousers. I stopped looking for anything more and left the location in the event the area needed to be investigated. I'm not sure what, if anything else, is in the mounds of dirt, this creek fills quickly after heavy rainfall in the area of the items were found in a be covered in water.

Soon, this may have nothing at all to do with Terry grant stead's case, but many people have spoken with, suggested I write to your agency because the area hasn't been investigated, whether related to miss Green case or not, IT seems suspicious ous to find such items with no other clothing found, buried or not in the same vicinity. I wasn't sure what, if anything, I should do about contacting someone other than the share of department. Please accept my apologies if I have inconvenienced anyone by writing this.

This person found an entire uniform buried in the woods, shirt, pants, shoes, everything.

So SHE SHE begged IT SHE took IT to the urban county shirts department. In urban county shirt department, they never got back with her what, you know, so much mud and water and stuff thing forensically is probably lost out of IT is odd that you would find something like that barred in middle nowhere. And finally, I got her contact information and talk her. And I have that that record.

Eventually, marie spoke to her on the phone to get some more details, and this is what he told him.

I contacted the the police department and I told me just to put IT in a bag and bring you out there too. And so i'd be that 那边 是 已经 参加了。 IT was a short slave start, and the pants were pain, and they had a dark braam stripe of, and I ever went to the point as though he was in enforcement in poor deal. I even called him to come down here with me because I scared me, so that not didn't want to mess with IT. And he told me, he just want to tell me that the place and arms to just the being for one lot, that s to turn that.

Besides the fact that this was a strange way to dispose of a police uniform, there was something else about the uniform, in particular, made this discovery appear a bit more ominous.

IT had the circle le on the slave of IT, but there was no pets there. There was a Brown spot where a pet was supposed to be.

We sad were badgers, but the the singer area of the badge, assad on sleeve had been cut out.

The share of patches on both sides of the uniform that would Normally indicate the department and the officer's name had been ripped off.

When you create the draw is about a seven foot, seven foot from the ground to the dark rope. So I actually sounds ed IT very kind of when I read the route. That's only thing I can figure out when I got there. So somebody made a quick stop and and in middle, not embarked that, or they throw IT out when I know that somebody in this life isn't that terribly far, lives on the light turn down after that happened, either you means that ragon I is not terribly for, is within five miles there sole is pretty tiny.

So the fact that this was found relatively close to the house that mysteriously burned down on snapdragon and road wasn't that big of a surprise. But I was definitely interesting. This story grabs my attention. But as far as as relevance to terror, I was pretty unsure and even doubt if this lady did, in fact, find this uniform buried in the woods. I wanted to at least see some pictures of IT to prove that this was even real.

SHE SHE actually a photographed the in video types, but he said that the computer was old in the head, a broken screen, and SHE couldn't get the video or saying to work, h can pull that off off the hard driver, whatever, even has somebody off her to pay for. But that never went through.

IT SHE claimed that her computers hard drive wasn't working, and SHE couldn't recover the files. So at this point, I was ready to drop the lead entirely, even if he was telling the truth about this is having any linked to terror seemed like a big stretch. And without being able to see the items myself improve, that they even existed, this was just a lost cause.

But then about a months later, he call marries again. Instead, that SHE fixed her computer and recovered the files. To my surprise, SHE sends over several pictures of the uniform and a video of IT. Now SHE had .

my attention. Here is the where the paints were found. Rt, down below IT is the shoot that I found that was buried in the ground just a little bit.

They is now. Maybe six, seven feet life from where I found paet. That's what the shirt was, that the pet, unless leave, look so, is IT up.

And I would do but seek the patch. There are so forty two. And on the inside is as comfort action is the bank. Now, up to the dark road is about seventy ty. On the top of the dark road to where we're at nail, these atoms were found approach that only six state in the ground after examining the .

pictures and video of the uniform and comparing IT to the uniform is warned by local law enforcement. And I determined that that was a share of uniform, likely an organ county share of uniform. So what exactly did all this mean? I'll be honest with you, I still don't know.

But as I learn more and more about this search that happened in the peak on orchard, shortly afterward went missing, I got my girls turning. Let's back up for a moment. According to dusty vasa, in several inside sources, I have local law enforcement conducted a search of the peak on orchard not too long after a year went missing, based on the tip they received that ryan and or bow had mentioned killing terror to some friends at a party. And according to my source, the agency that conducted the search was both the iron county and bin hill county share of department.

Go about your count. One made a big your company deputy. And they went to the weekend. They didn't look in the right, but but they did look around in the.

I believe this party happens on the following friday after SHE went missing, there was a bonfire that bill and ryan we're having with several friends. This also lined up with what one of those friends told me, a former army body.

What I remember is that he help get rid of a body on the peak on farm, and he burned IT. There is a party spot, I guess, that they talked about. Kind of remember those saying that they had a party out there.

I remember being real haunting enough money to remember if you are having parties out there routinely, that gives you a way to conceal, you know, a fire just burning out there is going to raise questions. But the fire out there were, people are party that's not a peculiar. And I think that could have even been, you know, the plan IT .

was possible that on that night, boin ryan were still burning. Terrorist remains in front of people, perhaps boo ryan mentioned to one of their friends at this party in a drunken state what had happened to tera while they were still destroyed. Evidence right there in front of everybody.

I've since learned all the names of those who were there that night, and almost all of them are in that picture. I'd been sent back in August of two thousand sixteen, when this podcast first started. The guy with his arms round bow in the picture who are calling jim deal was also listed on the suicide note. And as you heard of the into the last episode.

明天 我 tell you that。 And we ve burned out something that at night you so I told the cops that they just suit.

One of his friends confirms that jim deal knew what happened to terror too, because someone at that party, either ryan or bow, likely told him, and then jim deal, along with a few other friends from the party, informed local law enforcement. Then they went out to search there. And for whatever reason, they searched in the wrong spot and never found anything.

Didn't inform the g bi. About IT and just when about their business. So with one or both of the local share f departments having conducted the search, the discovery of that share of uniform found buried in the dirt seemed a little more ironic.

Is IT related? I don't know. But right now i'm putting all the cards out there on the table. All this is happening in real time right now. And every time I mentioned something new on the podcast, someone new reaches out to me with more information. For example, in the last episode, I was going through the old newspaper archives with judy vasa, we've found an oracle about a search that happened in queensland, which is essentially right where the peak on or IT is. The officers listed as those in charge of the searches were Allen Morgan and elson paulk, both from the iran county share of apartment within twenty four hours of releasing the last episode, I got a phone call from someone who had more information about these officers. And that searching the peak on orchard.

I mean, hey, was one of the mine investigation ders take took on, and I took on the diagram of the search killed in the search party for ago. And he wrote with me the great when he came down here, he was the one that took her around shader everything they had from from what Allen said us. And I mean, this is back like IT.

This goes all about that when they went to that big, or the first time, Allen gan, an gan or part of diet first investigation, is a couple of weeks actually went missing. In that pick in orchard, they learned of the party scenario. And where the party was, there was a tear given to the time from what I understand and about the party and fire Allen Morgan never made IT up to the pain orter.

Allen was told when he got to about the being, who, counting on that, he was a turn or and go back. He was told to turn rain about the time he got to the county line. Somebody had to be there in that orchard in order to tell him to turn to run, go back. I don't know if there was anything that I found, there wasn't anything substantial, or he was just turned around because 带 点 猫 什么的。

Net hudson was both Green day and back being. He had a lot of pool, and you didn't miss for him. He was a state representative at the time, lot of money in the community. He was this powerful.

That search happened, and according to her, alan Morgan from the iran county shaft department was called out there to the peak on orchard, but was then told to turn around right when he got there. I think is safe to assume that any police sops are sent to investigate something in a murder case would not just turn around and go back home unless somebody else in law enforcement they trusted told them to do so, not just some random person.

So who told him that? And why? And what about the other officer? No, son pok. Was he the one who made IT out there that day? It's possible .

this case has become very much.

is very sad. But IT seems like a lot of people knew what happened at erie all these years and kept a secret. And my goal is not to assign blame to anyone. My goal is to find the truth.

If law enforcement searched to peak on orchard in two thousand and five, that needs to be known if this case could have been solved twelve years ago, that needs to be known. How do you think people like mark s. Harper or heat takes feel about that? And if several friends of bulan ryan knew about this too, why do they never say anything else?

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As i've been digin around these areas to put IT point blank, it's become a very uncomfortable task. Those who knew about this don't want me digging around anywhere. And many of these people have made that very clear to me.

I've offered to protect their identity, disguise their voice, and i've even offered for them to go off record entirely just to find out the whole truth here. But none of them will do IT. If you truly have nothing to lose, then why are you still keeping a secret? The obvious answer is, maybe there's more of this story.

A few weeks after that, I started digg into this. I hit a frightening row, bub. My facebook account was hacked. Yeah, my facebook is in there trying to do something too. So I am not sure .

how much I just large into the account.

What's what's? The email just .

vanished at yahoo ddt com. And they also made a pain lenz Y O six at yahoo dot com. They also deleted your one that was affiliated with your facebook account.

And at first I wasn't sure if this hack was related to the case at all. My wife, casey, had one of her IT friends trying to trace down who did this while I was in a cab on the way to the airport in new york city. A very inopportune.

But i'm going to actually look the name that I send you the in on picture and see if I can find anything with that. But there is, I think he's using like soft way that you used to trace I P addresses. He is like, you know, we should be able to find this person is. But what what we really needed to do IT was get back into your facebook. And that's going.

I looked IT up after I IT was super ly. I looked IT up and I was, I was still active. And there was nothing new on euro page or the to manage page first post.

you just come back. You don't have a picture. This is so weird.

Whoever did this somehow compromise my email account associated with my facebook. And when my wife was able to regain access to the email account, he saw whoever did this had made two new email dresses. And one of them was up and vanished at yahoo 点 com。 I didn't make that email dress.

Clearly, this hack was related to the case. Eventually I was able to regain access, but I was still pretty unnerved by IT. Everything in this case right now has a new orra to IT. People in this case are pushing back, but i'm not stopping.

With so many secrets in this case, that makes the gag order look even more suspicious. A gag order in general is supposed to be the last resort, but in this case, there was signed by the judge and put into effect just four days after ryan's arrest. The gag order states that anyone in the enforcement cannot talk or comment on this case in any way.

What is everyone so afraid of? I have a couple theories on that. And the first one I share with you is this, remember both friend, darn, the former army friend who sent me all the screen shots of his text message conversations with the bow in one of dance conversations, bow told on this. Maybe they have some problems with their case due to the statue of limitations IT turns out there was an earlier search done by local guys who had never reported IT to the gb. I I don't know when that occurred, but the .

clock starts sticking on the statute.

Then I wash while sitting in my car one night recently. And no, soler.

do you think that actually like him to get off?

That's what he's saying.

That's why they want to keep that SHE quiet. That's why they wanted keep that SHE fuck quiet because IT might jeopardize .

your case .

in my jeep. Is all of IT listed the charges against bow? I don't know about ryan.

I don't think so about ryan, but they said something about that is a limitation of being weigh because IT was not a they were not aware the crime until certain night in the charges. The rest warns against both. 我 现在。

I don't know if that was far too what they were told, but what that matter, because I need .

the crown happened.

Can this huge day, no wonder there was so concerned about IT, but it's a shame. I mean, I hate the law. Is this that so actually get away from with all this? But IT shame if the gbr was trying to keep IT quiet just so that their case won't fall part when there's just a poll a lot.

If the search happened back in two thousand five, then, according to the statute limitations on the crime is boat committed, he may be able to get off Scott free. This seemed insane and right or wrong, IT seemed to make sense that a gag order would be in place to prevent that from becoming public. But could he really get away with this? I asked philae way to elaborate on this.

Here's the thing about the statue limitations. If the law enforcement officer knows that a person has committed an act, not necessarily knows that the person committed a crime, but knows that somebody committed an act, then the statues of limitations begins to run.

At that term, the statue limitations can be told that means the clock would stop taking if the act or the offender is unknown to the authorities, but that tolling exception cannot be based on the subjective opinion of a district attorney as to whether not there was enough evidence to file charges against a particular person at that time. That actually comes from a case from two thousand and fifteen called holman verse, a state. Of course, there is no statute of limitations on murder.

So if there is any evidence that tasks w in any way to committing the actual murder, even if he's a party to the crime or an accessory rather than the actual traitor, then theoretically, he could be charged with a murder because there is no statute limitations or murder. But basically, for every other crime, there is a statute of limitations. For example, other crimes that are punishable by death or life imprisonment, the statute limitations on those sort of things is seven years.

And anything else other than rape, which happens to be a fifteen years, statue limitations, everything else is basically four years. So any felony that both currently facing the statue limitations would be four years. And that raises some interesting possibilities.

For example, both lawyer figures this out and decides, hey, we want to chAllenge the charges against bow. Then he can file with the court. Something called a demurred, in other words, that something called a plea and bar is basically a chAllenge to whether not that the charges can proceed.

And if the charges cannot proceed because they're barred by the statue of limitations, the question then becomes, what leverage, if any, does the district to turning have over bow? And how can he cores, if he will, or force or encourage, bow to continue to CoOperate to come to court and provide truthful testimony because if they don't have a criminal prosecution to hang over as he, he's a lot less motivated to participate the process. But here's the other side of that coin.

We, of course, lots of reason to believe that boo has made statements to authorities. We know that these made statements to third parties. We know that he has information, at a minimum about what happened to terror after he did.

And we know that he's talked about that stuff. So if they drop a pea in his hand, that sappi a is a court order to come testify. And the law says, when you testify, you have to testify to truthfully. So if he comes to court under a sepa and he testifies in a way that the authorities believed to be untruthful, he could then be prosecuted for perjury.

So unless both just completely goes off grid and can be found, and they can drop A A pea in his hand, they still have some leverage because he's made statements, they can make him come to court if he refuses to honor a pena, the sheriff can literally pick him up and dragged him in the court, kicking and screaming and handcuff s if necessary, because both sides, the prosecution in the defence, are entitled to what's called compulsory process. That means they have the supine a power of the court. They can also be subject to contempt of court if they don't comply with the court order.

But usually what happens is they judge would issue what's called a rid of attachment, and basically authorities the share of to go pick the person up if they don't honor a supa a so if his testimony in court differs in any way from the statement that made to law enforcement, not only could he potentially face a perjury charge, but his testimony in court could be impeached that is shown by the prosecutor or the defense to be different from what he said in the past. And a prior inconsistent statement is, in fact, what we call substantive evidence. So if a person is talking out of both sides of their mouth, they're saying one thing in court, but they said something else previously, then either sad can argue that their previous statement is the statement that the jury rely.

The ironic thing about this if, in fact, there is a statute of limitations problem and bow can be prosecuted, and IT takes away a very strong defense argument, because what happens is defense lawyers will attack the credibility of a witness whose testifying under some grand of immunity or suit, to some type of a plea deal that's conditioned on truthful testimony. In other words, they get in front of the jury and they say, look, the only reason this person came in here and said this is because they have a lot to gain. The jury would be entitled to hear all about any deals that boat may have on the table, whether its immunity or probation or whatever.

And the defense can then use that as a way of saying this witness is not credible because he simply being paid in the sense for his testimony, paid in the currency, which is leniency from the prosecution. So if bow is simply testifying at a trial, pursue a sapa and doesn't have any deal on the table because he can't be prosecuted, IT takes away that argument and could actually play Better for the prosecution tion. Of course, the downside would be that both simply gets away with doing whatever is that he is alleged to have done and can't be prosecute.

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A few episodes back, dusty told me that he was called him by the gb. I and questioned about a possible leak from the grand jury does he spoke to somebody about this league who provided some inside information, but he wouldn't tell me a source. I don't blame me, but thankfully, just recently they came to me. Their voice has been disguised to protect them.

He said that of stand in overall when he woke up and that is three demount so he's here to and and asked IT with what and he said, we hold on so he start to me, said he heard her and the, I guess, uh, is scared him and he delay off he came back the next day and we went back the next day and um wat the refitted blanket or quilt what was so crazy was his cousin was telling, yeah just write there in in daylight will the day I am i'm thanking in the morning time that he went back and get her and put her and write her back and put on the back of the truck, I guess, took out to the orchard basically, I guess, happened in the dark whenever he hit her and and he break out in little and then he came back the next day that's what this is what they got told me he said he he didn't say anything about um what he heard with to me you know then that's when I all came out about the hand thing about the went from paint the hand and i'm taking out you know all that came out then they store the frame that all the G B. I came down as can um duty about the lake you then i'm for you now i'm like god dying can I do anything without getting fast? Troubled for the guy did not tell me, don't tell and he didn't say um and i'm thinking if he's telling me that I I mean there's no talent, who else to tell him .

that this was relatively detailed information, though he sounded pretty crazy IT had some detail to IT and the only way the gb, I would have that much detail about how teare was murdered is if ryan duke or boduoc ld them. So where's the story coming from that ryan confess when he was questioned? Or did boat tell the gb.

I the story i've been in a sillas several times recently, I can tell from being there that most locals aren't buying this narrative. But for all we know, that could be exactly how things happened. And maybe we're just missing the vital pieces that make this whole story makes sense. I recently talked to a local from mozilla who told me what he's been hearing, apparently directly from the horse's mouth.

A friend of man who are, who are trust. He told me he has some friends, is in the G, B, I, that he actually, I guess, be illegal. But he did with the I, but he that he grew up with and he basically told him that um the story that they were told, I I guess the G B R is fAllen along to was that boy ryan work together that night and that a basic drew my house and both dropped right off, rode around the block out of the part of what the came back around the round was there just so told A O SHE did do you be our claim in that IT was one punch to the temple and that from there they took her body out to the trip from what their kind of gathering is, that I know this is really creepy and only has been rumored around, but that he's done this before.

Like, insert into our house, maybe watch their sleep and you can have an an obsession that made me thinking, you know, once you had a new torlos, all those things too. I don't know if I believe that store or not things they're gone off of as what bone insane that makes me not believe the story altogether EXO IT follows bow somebody who claims they were not involved, what's ever willingly involve in yourself in a murder? This doesn't make sense.

And I want to do that for my wife. They also said that his community is off the table. So what the G, B, I is, friend, they caught him in a lie, breaking the terms of his community or something, something long as lies as they did say.

I say, all of this is second hand, but IT comes from people I I trust. I don't, I don't see any of these people making IT up stories like this. So I fully believe that's what the G, B.

I new, and believe that the time based off testimony but to me IT seems like I don't know i'm not that big of a conserving that, but seems like bow coverage stories with people told just have A G, B, A go and check up his story that he tells them I don't even their personality. The story doesn't fit you. The G B S said to that they took her car.

They like the terrace car. That makes absolutely no sense. And no, no, the G V S. Story made sense to me.

Like, even as my friend was telling me, I was like, this doesn't add up at all, you know, terrorist car, the seat was pushed all the way back, and a ran is his five, seven, five, six. But you were not pushing any seats back. What I gathered from IT was any if the seat was pushed back and someone was driving that car.

nothing. terrorist. Five, three, maybe five, three, five, four.

You, I just, I don't understand. IT even ran like facebook post in everything. He's not a man of his own words. You don't mean a lot of quotes from other people seem like a follower or both. More manipulator I can say you there's nobody down here that believes a single word of the official story.

I want to know people whose a close personal friends with the huston, the dukes and they're like, I think boat did IT you're just based off of knowing him and here in the story because, I mean, I don't think someone who's saying even believes that somebody wasn't involved in a crime, willingly involved themselves and hiding the body. None that makes sense. person.

I even think that happened at the house. I know IT IT would make more sense that happened at the the conner. I just don't see these two pulling off the perfect crime, transporting bodies, leaving nothing behind.

IT makes more sense that gloves are planet. Then IT was the accidently dropped them. I me how you pull off the perfect crown, but leave gloves. Not one guy he's really good friends with A, G, B, R people is he's pretty up to date. And what the G, B, I knows from what he told me that I mean, honestly had no choice but to believe that at this point.

You know, I think I think it's more the thing they're happy to close the case, you know, want to get IT over and you know not hanger of their heads can think. But inside, I don't I don't believe anybody believes that at this point at at that point you had right confessing to IT. You had go both testimony with people to CoOperate IT.

So IT was leading down that path. I believe maybe ryan lawyer spoke some sense into him. Hopefully not sure member friend are basically entered into the not guilty plea, I think is about the flip upside down. A lot of rumors in this case and up being true.

So what's going to happen next? In this case, no one around those sla seems to believe what they're being told anymore. And Frankly, I don't either. Is the possibility of a search early on, in this case, going to let boat duke skate Scott free? Or according to the breaking news that came out just today, in this case, the answer might be no.

Hey, pain, I don't know if you get this, but it's monday, twelve, fifteen and here I just got the tail end of this on the local news today. Seems like there's something going on in a today. I thought you might want to check in the back. okay? About big news came .

today in the terrain state case, and the first person to hear about IT was my grandma. Today, a grand jury hearing was held in bin hill county, and they edited boat ducks on all charges.

A grand jury has indeed in the hill conney has indeed volumes for his alleged role in the cover up of the murder of Terry grinstead. Gx says eric mark is live outside of the bin hill county courthouse where he picked up that in ditech. In erik, what do we find in that document?

They're moving forward with all the charges for both dukes. As far as ryan duke is concerned, unclear if the gb I will continue their current narrative when IT comes time for a trial, or if new found information between now and then might affect that, even though the whole story of what happened that there is still very unclear. One thing is very clear, bose admission to burning tigran says, body, it's all the events surrounding this, no, in fact, that are still so murky.

Like I said, I don't know who you're connected to, but especially if if you're somewhere at night around when around the counting, just just be careful. I just I have a lot of distrust that tells the things I think and my father and was the sheriff, I know for a ninety five percent five that my mother was covered up as a suicide. Things go on there.

I will put anything to anybody. Everybody can help a dark night of the soul of many after you. What you? There's so many ark, dirty secrets, and I not be believed I could care of you things that would make your hair stand on the end. Lian is related to note some people who is the defeating that walked into the courtroom for his arrange that day. This is deputy share.

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