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When I started looking in the craters case, I heard about the full moon drum circle almost immediately since the beginning, almost every story and theory, and you right back there. So I looked at the lunar calender and plan a trip to crestone. good.

Evening, Michael, are you?

You said you would my, this is .

rob Michael.

hi.

Okay.

thanks for my brother Mason. You didn't make a cuber appearance.

roy.

time.

Came just for .

the customer.

Yeah month.

The atmosphere is .

pretty relaxed.

to be honest, this kind of underwhelming.

See, you want is a chicken chick.

As I walked out on the area, I met a man name roy. He's a long time Christon ian and almost always attend of the drum circles.

This is called the tonn drum. It's a guy here makes IT the the ends .

of a propane X.

Kind of went out of body. So only instrument other than drums here. So for me that was beautiful. I know.

And I knew that everyone was that he saw this entity wasn't here. And then he goes here, take IT home .

play, trying .

like, just take IT on my plate.

Mother hired.

going was changing. Track away. Is this early go spell tith spell tith spell tith comes from peru.

I collected the seeds over thirty years ago. Jari, a malaria new system, instant world of IT. I too, fake gum disease babies team. I have actually broken two teeth, and I did IT right away six times a day. We obsess, no .

infection.

Anyway, I get to check, yeah, that's going to marry the high ground.

well.

Because this is considered the new age capital of the world, this planet earth. Religious experiences for people out there, the drum circles were well attended. They went all night, all walk life.

As dark people are you going off into the woods? You're coming in. They're going people aren't specifically paying attention. Pistol that night didn't make much of an impression on anybody specific there, but their witnesses that definitely her there with some men that they didn't know.

I was really hurt me to find anyone who actually interacted with Crystal, or when SHE came, when he left he was with, that was all still a mystery.

Hi guys, this is roy just making contest and home for the day, and then I be same in tomorrow and hope you enjoying IT. I'll be see at the cloud. Have a good.

She's there happy in Crystal when he is drummer and dancing like every videos. And then the the dark cloud came in. The drinkers are the other darker group, know the kind of put a lateral. They are all high in. I don't remember details are who you know, but you know just people we're hanging out and talking and this is public. One of those full nights, you know at least twenty people in the server or so I didn't see like when he actually left, you know, but that after they left or some of them left, that's when he wasn't there. Anyone leave .

with somebody?

That's what I suspect. I I don't know. I didn't see IT, so I can't say so.

There was somebody in town who was questioning, you know, how he could arrive with people with the drum circle, and nobody associate that other person with them. I can't remember what they look like and win and where SHE laugh.

If I knew anything I would, i'd call wain as the deputy who's in charge of the case right now. And he is real particular, except called him about things before. And he says, and unless he have names or numbers or something not interested in here, say some and carefully see, i'm i'm psychic. I can usually tell or see you and I can feel someone's energy coming into a room. Okay.

what do you feel .

now from you? Good folks, you just traveling through there is there is a lot of hidden stuff in there. You know, in fact, that you're asking questions about this that no, I wouldn't be surprised that if you're doing some detective work for the thing because you know, it's a crucial thing this and so protective of the women in this community, you know and now whenever I I see someone new and the circle, you know and once the dark come in darks don't be pulled out. Wonder off at these guys, you know, they just want to go get drunk and take drugs and have sex and sometimes it's harm lesson, you know but I just don't like your energy.

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What if I was accused of murder? Let's say i'm innocent. I didn't do IT would I hide myself away when I hide my face from everyone in town and be a recluse?

And i'm thinking about IT.

I would be pretty upset about IT. I would want to clear my name. I would probably be a pretty loud squeezy will in the town to indicate myself with anything I don't think i'd be hiding and some thinking, why are these guys?

Hi, I would like to hear from these guys. And if there's any way you can find them, get a hold of them question and asking some questions, i'm sure they're going to deny whatever. But i'm really interested to hear there chain of events for that night.

IT would appear .

that the people that may know something or or closer to that circle, or more hesitant to talk, if you have a murder on your hands and you have a murder there, and this murder is one of the individuals there, is going to be very relaxant to talk as soon as I walked into your apartment. And there was no fragrant way that SHE up and walked away. One of the things we'd like to do is is find out who the close people are and IT bug the shoot out .

of not harassment.

I want to get them behind. Bar is so bad.

Rooney had a plan for us.

There was a flip phone in that box of stuff of Crystals. There is one in and there is not charged.

SHE was just always going through phones. So it's it's not unusual that he would appear a couple of them because he would always place them. Forget where you put them.

Here's one of them that we found. I was able to get a charger and charge you up so I wants you to have that. It's got names and stuff on their own phone numbers.

The phone running game was a little flip phone IT wasn't the phone he was actually using when he disappeared. But the one right before that, and I got to my office.

i've got a charger turn IT on. I started flipping through .

all the context. And one, a particular, got my eye, one labeled boyfriend. I checked your boyfriend e lies number. This one was different, so I decided to call IT.

At the time, and please record your message .

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After a few months of researching, I D finally got my hands on the police reports on the first page. I think I found the boyfriend.

what says on july thirty of two thousand sixteen, at approximately one forty nine hours, I T. Tyler harford was on duty in the county of swatch and state of colorado. When I was notified of a possible missing person in the Christon, colorado area, I spoke with a reporting party, ara mcDonald ara stated, attended by the name of Crystal ray singer was living in an up. There's a room and SHE hasn't been .

seen in at least .

two weeks are a stated Crystal's .

boyfriend .

had message her on facebook, also asking or if he had seen Crystal. Stated Crystal scene manic and told him to leave her house, so we did. Stated Crystal said he was going to walk to the mountains and die, stated this was the last time .

he had seen her.

The account of .

his boyfriend gave is the first of many similar accounts, especially in the beginning. Many people suggest Christal walk away from their life willingly due to some overwhelming mental state. When I spoke to share of the, he mentioned the group called the rainbow gathering.

He never said the group was involved, but he did say you could never really things out in this area. Cults and unregulated congregations like the rainbow gathering draw people in, especially those looking to disconnect from our society. To get this theory due diligence, I spoke to someone familiar with the rainbow gathering. SHE in her roommate were associated with the group during our youth.

My best friend was actually in a relationship with a rainbow kid as they called themselves. We went to a party at like this super janee apartment downtown. And we at five members of during the family, which is what they call themselves, we were kind of a happy type too. So we just meshed with them .

really quickly.

If I was just trying to describe them, I would say that they're all about trying to like live at zero cost. They're really looking for a place to stay. They live with us for over a year.

And just kind of shot because they were always there. There was always just tons of trash everywhere. Beer bottles, like just IT, was just a total disaster all the time.

The smell of these people have would blow your mind. These are people that don't breathe and they refuse to bave. There's definitely a lot of party IT impacted my life heavily.

I was in college like I had classes at ATM, but they would be up parting and being wild and like playing instruments and just being absolutely ridiculous until like four in the morning on a nightly basis is like not just like the weekend saying like every night, they consider themselves like a non organization. There's no leader really. There's no initiation.

You don't have to do anything to become a rainbow kid. It's more of if you showed up to a gathering one time, you're probably not rainbow, but if you go there every year, your rainbow, if that makes sense, they're very entire structure and entire rules. Some of them are going to be people who like have like children.

And they've been in this rainbow family for you know ten, fifteen years, and theyve decided to raise a family. And IT, is that a good place for a child to grow? No, they were pretty open with their drugs and alcohol.

If they had IT, they would give IT. But I would just say that in general, they took more than they gave kind of have jobs to. You have a role like whether it's kitchen, you're help and prepare food or security is one there's a lot of violence at the gatherings, a lot to the degree that they do actually have security.

One of the things that they do to basically to get someone under control is if you display any type of violence, or if you get kind of out of hand, like on drugs, like if your trip too hard or whatever, they'll actually tie to a tree, you'll tie your hands behind you on a tree and they will leave you there so that you can't hurt yourself or anyone else. They become very primal. Can you couple that with drug use and a ton of the alcohol? Basic needs, like sexuality can become violent.

A lot of male and female violence. I just always felt like something terrible was gone to happen to her guy. Just think these people are bad news.

You're dealing with people who have rejected law and theyve rejected structure and civilization. Ultimately, he ended up getting arrested for evidently growing till a iba mushrooms and his apartment. When he got a arrested, we were not talk and we had officially had a falling out.

SHE chose to be with him and cannot live that rainbow lifestyle. And I was just, I couldn't do IT. They immediately assumed that I had something to do.

With that said, I told on him at some point after I received the threats, I was driving down for twenty one, headed to my class and noticed that my gusty was just rapidly dropping. I only knew enough to just pull off the road and lift my hood up, and they had cut my field line. I don't think that they did that to scare me.

I mean, they did. Then they didn't care if they scared me or killed me. They are intractable. They don't have addresses. They don't have phone numbers. These people can do IT whatever they want and never get caught because no one even knows they alive. They travel everywhere that they can be at one state one day in and a week later, they're on the other side of the country.

In the eyes of law enforcement, IT seemed like drifters could not be ruled on crustal case, and that would be bad because this kind of drifter might be virtually untractable. But drifters aren't the only hard to trace people in southern colorado.

Another thing unique to quest up people make up their own names here, and those are the names that they are known by.

This is jim cal pin in the questa museum.

Nobody knows their real names. No one's ever seen a driver's license with their real name on IT or a birth certificate t with their real name on IT. So there are people here, you have no idea who they really are.

Don't give you a name. Our cases, you know what's not their real name? okay? That makes IT very difficult for the shares department to track things down as to what happened because yeah what what's his real name?

There was a guy here for thirty years, at least maybe forty years in kyl's h because it's a sacred mountain in india in the hillas. Clearly, that's not the name of his birth certificate, but nobody know his real name. When he died, his obituary, he had his real name in IT. His life was carl hoffman.

Wow.

I knew this guy for thirty years. I never knew his real name.

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box of a cystadenoma was given to us by rodney. We found a single to row card. And through some more research we found who had know more about IT.

we came here, had asked some questions about Crystal too.

But yeah, and really important.

I found a terror card. They gave the box of her pictures and this was in IT.

It's the Cherry ot.

This is bb to row card .

guarana practice based in dimber years ago, he helped teach cycle header records as a teacher and mentor. Bb clearly had a special bomb with Crystal.

It's about, well, i'll show you. Find IT in my dog. See, this is from a different duck, and I remember her having this.

Oh yeah.

it's the Cherry ott and IT was the cards were a little different in her deck. But see the picture. The cherian is the vehicle of the self, the spiritual vehicle. She's trying to get information to us.

Can you tell about these courage and what this is?

Yes, and I actually teach this um I have him shuffle the ducks of their energies and their no, not at all anybody interested looking into themselves.

How much does that look into us?

Anything that you need to see?

Nobody really knows the true history of the turtle, so much symbology in here, not only the numbers and the elements and the astrology, but he also has the tree of life in IT, which you see over there on that. Well, that's from the kaba. How ancient is that? There's no such thing as telling fortunes because everything in life just is.

And what you're looking at in here, this is south therapy. It's a way of looking at the issues in your life and getting clarity confirmation. What can I do about this if I can.

What can I do about myself? I call IT a spiritual book of everything. And it's a faith based thing because you you're believing IT. It's an intuitive tool that just access .

to your tuition and everyone.

especially all women, heaven.

This is.

that's my grammar, and I keep her here because he was a medium and a reader back. And you can tell by the outfit that was like the eighty nineties SHE passed away when I was eleven, and I swear I was the only one there. And he was talking to me about spiritual things.

And SHE just went to sleep. And I even know SHE passed because I was so gentle. My grandmother had lots of sales for having the experience. You must need to lesson, imagination is the same way as intuition, and you spell IT different for asking the question.

You already have an idea with the answer is, and don't ever put your person on the floor grama would tell you it's bad for o, yes. So hanging on your chair, put IT on the table, whatever you know. And every time I tell people that, they'll say, my grandmother said that it's like you put in your prosperity down on the floor.

We were all part of each other. I mean, this, he took my original to row class years ago, and then there were some of the people involved in IT said, we want to keep doing stuff. So we formed a group that would meet every month and just kind of play with stuff like try different readings, try different things.

And SHE was in that group. We were all real close, kind of with that, we didn't know anything about this because he moved to greely to go to school. And I was venturing her because he got a gig in a coffee shop doing reading, so sh'd contact me and i'd help guide.

And then I didn't hear from her for a long time. I thought her life was on track. And then I hear that he met some idiot, moved to cross one, and we all know stoned is happy town, you know, and I ve only been there a few times that all that much about IT. But then to hear that you got in all the drugs and everything, and like cryo, are you sure done about the same person?

When we went out there last summer, they were offered a thousand dollars, and before we left, they said they do two thousand. The friends and family of Crystal aren't wealthy. They never thought a thousand or two thousand dollars would get the attention of some possible criminal to read out some other criminal in town.

I sent A P, D, F of the reward poster to all the newspapers IT was going to read to the person's responsible for Christal disappearance. But I wanted to put an air for Crystal's murder. And not sure if that's a wise thing to do or scrut.

You know i'm going to call IT what IT is. You know because everybody there is, well, we know what happened. You know she's disappeared and even now he was murdered by this piece of shit and need to start really .

pushing button the ten .

thousand and a collection from friends and family. I have a feeling that if rodney had to sell his prize to truck to make that money happen, for the right person to get suspects in custody, for Crystal disappears, I think, do IT I think IT mortgage his house.

big money being offer for information .

investigative report of Chris house drawing us to talk .

about the increase reward.

the ten grand reward for leading authorities to the arresting conviction of those responsible for Crystal disappearance is about to increase to twenty thousand dollars after an anonymous donor recently .

a to doublet .

urban believes that kind of money might help motivate someone in this tight nc. Community to speak up and safely move out. As the pressure increases between us call in the share of every week and use sniff and around, you just keep that pressure on and keeps pressure on.

People come to like if this isn't going to go away. Money and pressure. That's how this is sold. Buy a lot of math for twenty grand.

There is a lot of inconsistently in the actual last time that he was seen. The drum circle seems to be the kind of the central park here, the thirteen.

do you know if that was the drum circle night or no?

I'm thinking .

that that was the circle night .

then one day .

around july thirteen th twenty sixteen, after attending a drum circle festival, SHE .

vanished the day .

she's last seen by anybody.

The last time Christal family, her former, was to lie thirteen and two thousand and sixteen Christal's last facebook post was july fourteen th.

After scoring .

through about a dozen facebook accounts, I found the date for the drum circle the night of july eighteen th. So if cris al wasn't in fact of the drum circle, then where was he for four whole days, but no contact?

On o eight four six two thousand sixteen, while I was in Christon, colorado on personal business I W D W, Clark was approached by David steel. David stated that he was a personal friend of still rice singers and that they had frequently hung out. David said that he had heard that Crystal had been seen the last four moon ceremony, but that he did not remember seeing her there.

We had a lot of false information right off the bat of once you came up missing. Well, if you tell me you got missing on this day, but your neighbors SHE was here this day, I talked to her IT starts to diminish the fact of, is you missing? No people throw in days out there saying I SHE has been missing from this day. And IT delayed a lot .

of our response.

The way that IT you know, was last seen there the full and the and told me at the time that I was at times like as I did your clear the terms are a part of IT unsure IT as well that you might think.

You reported a missing person, but they were seen after you're trying to claim they are missing. That did not help the case at all. This one, those things we need that yet an accurate time. If you don't know an accurate time, don't say I think we're pretty clear on IT now I don't think her disappears came for anything that has to do with the drum.

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After a few weeks of trying the quest to and boyfriend finally answered, he agree to talk to me.

I don't know if I want to ask about a man like a home, or i'm kind of time about IT a little. We got to our because he was not going to sleep and just worried thoughts like I the last time I daughter was. Can play a matter of mean at a huge argument because he wasn't going to sleep, worried, turned into an arment SHE, asked to leave and left the six of the morning.

I figured that I need to speak like we are. We are going through like a very good stuff, like we are trying to figure out redoing now if you need you need to space for like how we could do and. Like I was once he stops like answer ing my phone calls and well, my text messages, I got to hold the ora, the laying works to figure out as he paid around he found, yeah like SHE she's the one that not be if we should send out police report, there's definitely lot of stuff that people are saying that.

Kind of misleading information like the drum circle then adam, the from very star interview David, I don't know. Maybe he did fear at the drum circle, but I I went over there and was talking to people looking for and nobody nobody said they saw her. They medium. Just find like, maybe he loved there.

He just in me before bogin power by, I don't know, I mean, I can tell you everything I know and it's back, can help you with anything like concerns that if I know what that is, i'd like to tell you SHE caught me on june twenty eight. I came from cat fishes. I came to pick them up, and I took care .

of .

her for, like, the next two weeks. So because SHE is SHE SHE, i've never seen her. That stair, like he thought out like now, makes you told me about what what you remember red, about what happened before at a house.

I can I got, I guess I thought I had a car or something like I treat her. He said that he was just fucking with her head, and I told her that he was dead. And that so you doesn't like you trying to tell them, is a question.

People over there, but you've been remember SHE thought you, but I got rape and I told her like to go to police. Yeah, I don't know. Like when I when I picked up from I should sleep up in SHE told me SHE he said he powder there. He wouldn't let her leave. He took a part of SHE called me from her phone and so .

I don't SHE was .

over there because that would picked rugs during twenty eight, like a couple weeks before you were missing. He told me like that he was out there against her will when I started poking around and trying to figure out what happened to where I figured out that you back back fishes.

In the last page of the police report, there's an entry about cat fish.

On o eight ten two thousand sixteen, I D W. Clark was on duty in the town of swatch, state of colorado. I had heard through social media .

than a man named had .

been seen with Crystal shortly before he was. Last scene goes by the nickname catch fish. I spoke with his home, stated that he had had traumatic brain injury, T, V, I, and is not left his house in several months.

He said that he gets items deliver to his home so he does not have to go out. There were quite a few boxes around his home, with labels from amazon stated that around his birthday that Crystal had come over to his house. When I asked him how she's got there, he said that he did not know, and then SHE just knock on the door, said he did not see a car outside.

IT was not sure of the date or the time, except IT was still light outside and cycle showed up. He stated that they drank wine, smoked marijuana and watch movies. He said that he fell asleep and woke up.

When Crystal was leaving, he said that he took a ten dollar book that he had bought on computers. He said that he did not get up to walk out of the door and did not know what time that was when he left due to the wine in marijuana. Said that he fell asleep as he was leaving, offered to let me search his house and the grounds to prove the Crystal was not there. Cat fish said that he did not know Crystal that well and had no idea where he might go. And the report.

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Would you go through the paperwork and see if Crystal had any dental work? Anything to indicate any dental work?

Plain about an hour go. And he said. They found. A skull and its female. And IT matches the .

age range.

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