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One of the names that keeps coming out as criminal record, he's well known to police in different jurisdictions. And as you heard, everybody in town thinks is the drug of cup. That's that is having to do with this case have no idea, right? That's the frustrating part. Just because somebody in town is on everybody's RAID are rumor to be some bad guy that might be involved with experience doesn't make true.

In fact, if IT was so obvious and true that personally are to being custody, because share farming knows the name, and I suspect that they ve checked IT out every which way and have some suspicions on their own and whether he's the right guy, I think the nose what's going on. And I think that some associations may even know more. We certain ly know cat fishes.

And I know that cat fish and his friend have been spoken to by detectives, so they should be surprised that their names coming up the real baLance journalistically is one of the liabilities of reporting somebody y's identity who may ultimately never be charged or directly be involved. Because that one that comes to mind is on the Richard jeel case of elana olympics, the bombing security guard. He came to help.

He had to be the guy. If we reported IT can take IT back, right, wasn't you? So we always baLance here the need to do those kind of things.

If you watched our initial investigation, we have a blurred mugshot, and he knows that him, mom probably knows that him, his friends probably know that him. So there is some not public identity, but I think we let them know that we know.

There is if they're just .

deal .

and moving product, they don't want to make any ways. And violence creates waves. People call the place to call nine one one.

Here comes the ambuLance. They say, who did this and what? And IT can ruin a financial stream. So the players that we're talking about there, I don't figure dangerous every day.

but I have .

no doubt if the cornered that they they know how to get out of trop.

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a new source about catfish. We'll call this person calvin. Calvin told me that afra Crystal and missing three people in Crystal seemed to change noticeably. Drede, brian and two other men will call them ladon and jack cording to calvin. These three individuals incurred psychological breakdowns shortly after her .

disappearance. My knowledge is that I need to before my the ones that that right I just, are you involved and say that or not involved and really, really, really cut down to is, I mean, by start .

there, I mean that's .

that's this had not do with this on the end of, uh on the end of like I basically I I believe to be here.

Okay.

do you believe her trying to an argument, a frying and frying builder and then they disposed the body. Um i'm not sure they are, but I pretty much sure if you talked to london jack and zero three, 那就 变成 future。

Do you know what happened? Like what the situation was?

I don't know. I know that what is is, is in the or teacher car.

And as he is .

file pervil suit, I think that what happened is. Had vivo racer like to vigorous and ratter and then he tried to come back on that. Well, that's not getting some inflation that I have.

And I mean, I I understand cases. Well, once I, once I I said this is, I mean, got I got at this, we go at this. Uh, I would like him at all.

I mean, he may have, I mean, I they hate to say this, but he made of I I mean helping light, helping him like cover IT up. But you always made that be to see involved there and I don't even think that's the case really. Um there's no read what I saw us from a distance because one a friend of everybody that was .

I just probably .

involved um this is I saw a quick te psychology breakdown ladon.

The Better oi have offer even through .

the roof london .

when from just dean and standard metpath code being like completely very night at all times when he was silver not uh taking the people were following in I mean would be a mission that they have found to his body. He's completely break up jack.

He did not getting committed mean and then he look at that and from what I seen and and I know he's excise and I know all the other girlfriend that he'd didn't let the rely violence and behind him like a dark light you know, IT didn't. When I long that happens. I mean, just to help that, I mean, I talk to, uh, you know, it's funny and i've got A H I like that.

Yes, sure, man. Okay.

because I got that is my friends to share. I be I back and counter about.

Take some value on human life that should have a place .

in the place of value on a human life where IT shouse been placed.

About two months later.

In three or that he was blackmAiling him, black milling then each of the array or the during nator.

London.

you a shot APP his hand off. I talked to people that were there. A said that they were arguing over Crystal about Crystal about what that added. And that's when he shoes and. London a in one night, he woke up and his, I did, I didn't do, I did, I didn't I, I said I didn't, uh, I didn't mean to do IT. I said I didn't .

mean to do IT to.

And then i've heard cat this several times. Cat there he was like, I didn't I didn't think the killer I heard him say about a couple times. I mean, just not general nights res.

He's actually said that twice. For one thing, he's very stand off as possible thing, which is another indication that maybe yet something to do with IT. He is a gore fox. I mean, he had a hard time deal, school, besides people key knows very well, easily been that way. He got do a car accident about. And I see fifteen years ago, he brings IT up quite a bit, I mean, to the point to her, a minute night he's switching the motile human game that if he did I an act like that, he would have devastating devasted psychological of that dawn, I mean, a train psychopath, ologies or anything.

But just turns just my poin of view honestly, he didn't he didn't splay any of them but he does have regret there which means that his regret is probably due to some involved in some way whether to be exposed at to like taking care of the body after he was after is also done or whether at the um he that he had something to do as far like planning IT or pain for IT or something of that nature cat is helps us completely destroyed all the time I was there and I didn't see IT. But right after the drill disappeared, that house is completely spoils. I mean, you could eat off before.

Caddies are also been accused of dragon and raving other women. Cat dish is not a stupid person. He to requite IT, far from stupid. If he was going to planned anything that would pee to the tea. I mean, IT was supose of the body and away, and i'm thinking that they move the body more than once would be my guess, that they did three, that they in eighteen and three times.

And then finally.

the incentive ated IT would be my guess.

But then that's what i've heard.

This is a small community, you know, when people talk, and it's funny, because these guys were around talking about this, I guarantee IT as terrible. Why would you hear these things? They're basically dozen each other with lsd to basically drive each other insane.

If you wanted get to, that means you going to drop some acid but I mean, if you didn't ghost, that mean somebody trying to either kill you drive the vane or you know basically what you do a point to where your medal so IT can handle the amount of drugs that you're on. There are several people that have been turned on here with through metheny mies specifically. And I need water around fifty and shadow people for the rest of their lives.

No SHE like that, but it's not very nice. I mean, got a watch what you do around her. Lot of people are started at fish unscared cash sh a little bit.

His family has power. They have major, major power. I'm really going to work with, and i'm milling and work the cbi. And, you know, let's grow these guys. I mean, I know that they all had something to do with IT.

And you know, I mean, honestly, they really haven't turned out to be decorated from than anyway, you know, something that needs to be done. And if they are guilty and just, you should pray, this is murdered, were talking about this is murder. no.

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At this point, I heard a lot of insane and Frankly scary stories, all revolving around this group of so called friends. Some of these things I heard before, the catfish never cleaned his house. And then one day he suddenly did a full sweep.

And also the cafiero family had a fairly procedures background. I talked to london to get his perspective. Things didn't seem to look good for this group of friends if .

that's even what they are you with. Then in house request and pretty much but I still explain stuff. You be an area. I mean it's not directly the story I honestly um was not present to anything when they are with the Young uh enough people I happen to uh meeting and a public a matter of two days before you went missing five recent notion that you stand of my relationship with her my knows dge for I don't know well.

But you know, sist is specially, I don't know anything, I don't know thing, I know everything, you know, I do, yes, some information that would, that would help anybody in the the situation. Is in a terrible. Now my certain is that way, and there is a signal pulau such but good. And you ask you questions, you want to, I would like to be a person.

What do you think happened to Crystal?

There is there is an element of manipulation of black mill going on with. But for now. Name what I haven't be you know friends less for two years.

You know we were even in the when when my and I were breaking evolution canada like you know hard time. We get. On 因为。 They change party other three animals.

Today I have guys like completely on my side, and I completely in, anyway, all these little vibration. When IT right now, actually this is what to consist. But I never had me here.

I frame me so lot of the information I here that I was involved somehow because they happened to the over the houses and now we were still .

having sort of first ship .

per contain to that time. But yeah so we went happy like a thousand of the email to the. Make up so I like.

All and they really did not our reputations to these people.

Yeah, IT doesn't just kind of that you know where is somehow, somewhere and I know it's origin truth program to believe .

in thing to get .

how you feel like your life. He said, how is your person do you feel like, you know, recent changes or recent like this seems different or any kind of like library or think things they like king dem, you know your new numbers. They are committed at great time. great. You like small, quit or no?

I mean, I don't really know. It's hard to say I haven't figured out life entirely yet, but you know, I look at IT as one big learning experience.

You will see my brother, you will soon become full awareness, knowledge with planning and big well, like biank porto opening like because they could be opening now that ease by eight like crazy sounds on that way.

Land's thoughts were little far out there, but as far as Christal story, he gave more convincing details than I gotten for anyone also for.

I mean, you like with that there for anything of that if you know no isn't you know like I went to the first three has new. And I that time I was like, I D like taking out trash for look at bad. Mark point, like decades can do, and you is.

Matter and shoes like trying to help me to get a traction. Shoes like care pretty kinds of by butter. This plain is obvious day me that there is.

Ash of this.

You know this kind of like pretty guys together and then left I I don't grade anyone to somewhere and gets the next year hitting up on what are you people are going go over to see you and give work to answer please, that even you so crazy .

and you like I .

you've been crazy or on purpose and things to we would be in questioned that you like, how would you going to so much that I didn't have any fast need to like be taking out right and 就是 first only my situation would then return the gangers to still still this will considered。

I also said, you point to me with the city from me by the list that has to still for me hire people to be me, up put livable slater and all sorts of I there's about me, jack, I believe was there at the kind of where I went down he can we get know those with love, life for nature and up you would they call guy issues to buy the grape that on time and any came over the thing where he like you with. 我们 确定。 这个 so like， yeah you know I don't know this bra, the rumor may is generated some rumors.

I am mean records, I know I don't have to people they don't know. I having all nic e because i'm little thing club, they don't really should. And I was a part of my depression that took me to some places where I was just like, you know, my reputations, you down, down.

So people, they used to just wave by us away in their community friendly. We started to this looks to out. I felt creep in, and there was, you know, five hundred, two thousand, two hundred people in in P.

C. And you know that your replication. Most story has a little bit of winds out out everybody wanted and programme in people. And IT doesn't matter, you know hey, exactly, you do. And as long you doing anything with any other linking clear insurance or you know that near the appearance for party, all the stories become curious as mine, you know, sama, I was unable to find.

Can you have college everything? They were lying against the device and putting all the energy and device strutting down. And and they will contest late, because on the one, the one you, I hanging around, fuck him, is not like this.

We hate him. Let's say much a little I can maybe I was, you know, being a little and of poor judgment of character of when I decided you to who I I lian who's trust, because of my own depression. And my own also started.

And so I was basically trying to believe by myself who met you dogs and my trucking, I was really. But I give that I told the see guiding to have all that the current, you figure out everything you know, I thought that the whole provision and they never got that man. really.

I never happened. In the. Here not get well here, infinity all time too. And like if you. If you you.

Most because I think about this on planet that is together to unify the migration thousand years matters. Hundred of times and living the people that were you know thing as people throughout history. For me, the first talking team. So this is is out there. I will talk about the well, I.

Was talking to london. Someone else got, I still know who he was.

I love with. Happy.

wonderful.

I'm doing today. 这是 这 那。 Life in every moment. down.

You, I want to them give you to those way, you know, I know you them.

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Shortly after Crystal went missing, an anonymous person had a phone call with redy brian. They recorded this call and share IT with me. And i'd like to share with you now, because the story seems to get a little muddled.

And IT was not like .

her for sure. The last time .

I actually saw her was this over month ago.

But I think that weeks ago, river at the last long circle, I think he was and body 就是。 Moon in the form before that, I was day after that and and he said, SHE cooled down the streets of parameters and say, hey, bring no I S T T on facebook about you, you know, I mean, is you really, really like that? Really like had an argument and I just more and you came for had we had people just like, you know, I was over there and he told me that you didn't remember.

You said you didn't might have that. money? doctors? no. And I see how the place. But does the last conversation I would do, a sports that did the last terms are good?

Again, another person swearing, they saw Christal to july drum circle that .

was in his own. And you know that I drawn for six hours street chicken and smoking, all about about eating, except the german. But I could swear her a boy that's like, arrest has been. I just the last car was twenty on a so like six to the last four moons when I was, like a couple of weeks ago. So I guess someone before that six week ago, I guess, well.

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be sure I kiss wore I here, you know, that voice was like, I kisser SHE was acting in the chanting like, you know, the vocable things.

Is that the only place we Young .

out where at mutual friends houses and her out? No, I mean, we and I also want is a friends who is all movie. But I get like as far like what spots you go to. Like become friends.

meaning working her car.

Like super post no but so like I want to know, like the court so expensive.

you know. And the most .

people .

that were concerned about IT, for sure you should did go over think about that whatever was four, five days, and they had me up like every morning, whatever. And and, and he did go to school after that.

How do you know that? Christal?

Went there I talk to at this when I. Happened, I did. And free transport guy, he's cancer, you know he's not super good eating his emotions and I didn't. Where is you're lying or, you know, I mean, if he was not like you really, really work for that, you must be a social o path. I really didn't get, I really didn't get the lie like that, what I was, but I was, something happened, you know, you know, I i've bought IT here for the first time, like two to have years ago have been on. And I know all her friends, you know, and I like, so what's a pretty right of people I could pretty say to say that out of the the whole good preference, out as he was probably party in the heart design, I IT seemed like to me.

The same anonymous source received a message from caf fish. I was shared the messages and was able to validate their authenticity. The anonymous source says this, have you heard any rumors? What do you think happened to her? Catti says, I heard so many rumors.

IT is interfering, brian, that's all I can say at the moment, other than I will do anything to help. The source says, oh, wow, what do you say? Bryan hafer says, he told me he did IT, I told the cbi, and he showed his confessional on messenger.

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