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From tender for TV elena, this is up and vanished. I'm your host pain lenzing just kidding. There's no scratchy sounding phone calls in today's episode heard you love and clear due to poor cellphone reception and watch county auto majority.

The phone calls in last big episode were hard to hear, but a lot of these calls were very important. So in today's episode, we're going to do something we've never really done before in the main epsom and vanished. We're onna pump the breaks a little bit and doing a facial ek cap of everything we've earned so far, the people, the places, the important pieces of evidence, the timely.

And we're going to play for you the new improved reenactments of the phone calls from episode six. So you won't miss a word. We've officially reached that point and up and vanished where you as a listener, or almost exactly where we are.

In fact, things are developing so fast at this point that we almost had no choice but a slow down for a second. Crystal rising, in this case was cold just a month ago. And now the whole town is talking literally every day.

Our team is down a new rabbit hole in the community Crystal's family and even the persons of interest in this case are all reacting to this podcast and real time. And we're capturing all of IT because we are doing this in real time. There's some things we just can't tell you yet.

We will make much more sense very soon, and there will be an ending to this story. Today, I want to go back over some of the most important pieces of the puzzle in Crystal rising, her, his disappearance over the next half of the season, people's named the timely and who said what? All become extremely crucial.

Solving this case, let's start with the people who are closest to Crystal for family support system here in denver. By now we all know who rodney is. The father figure in Christal's .

life IT warms my heart that you're even considering this, you that you're doing this. I hope we can get the people and fine crustal before I die. And then there's .

amy rodney's daughter, and essentially Crystal sister. You don't meet many people like that who have this like intense, cool, crazy energy that everybody lives. So that just, I don't know, SHE laughs a lot, like SHE laughs to everything, even if it's kind of a single laugh about sh'll laugh about IT. Anyways, in the Z I Crystal's like boyfriend from when he lived in denver. Also the father, their daughter, a ash, my first .

impression was like, where were you my whole life? He was very sweet, very intelligent, very deep thinker, covered in tatoes piercing of different looking, kind of wild looking person, my type girl.

And then Angela, one of the mother, figures in Crystal life. Crystal.

even with everything that he had been through in her life, SHE was still a happy bubble person.

And her sun, mike, A K. A rufio, a house party. I was eighteen. He was eighteen. And and then .

feb.

Christal friend, the medium and terror card guru body.

interested in looking into themselves.

how much does IT look into us.

anything that you need to see?

And then there's Chris holds me from fox thirty one news and denver. He's become a prominent voice on our podcast and continues to investigate this case alongside us.

You photos over and video ever, she's hard to miss. And then there's no way you wouldn't know Crystal if you were from Christal.

And of course, there's a catia Crystals. Five year old daughter.

But okay, i'm not.

Best me.

When we first started and took a while to track down all the important people in Christal life, one, they were all over the place geographically. And then when we finally found them, everyone seemed a bit this connective when I came to the information in the case. But over the past few months, everyone and everything is aligning.

Those closest Crystal are banding together, and they are showing fierce determination. If you're someone out there with the secret and you're hearing this right now, i'd be scared not of the podcast of me, but this powerful force is growing that will do whatever IT takes to find Crystal. As we get closer to the truth, this story becomes much darker than I ever imagined. But Christal's families is prepare for the worst, and we will stop at nothing to bring justice to those responsible for the model.

Now let's go over the interesting people we've met in Christon, many of whom new Crystal, there's David, who helps run the drum circles. Did he leave there and go back to town? I see that I have no idea if SHE left or or if she's steal up in the woods and one of caves there's supping up above the drum circle. Then there's ora Crystal. Landlord.

we found her phone, her back, her tobacco. The window was open. The fan was on in the window.

Some of the lights were still on. IT looked like he had just left and had every intention of coming back. I was doing more investigating into her disappearance .

than .

the cops did Christal's neither or jermy wearing. And if somebody has some thing with that, we just don't know. I mean, that just my personal got fever.

Then there's the Christon boyfriend who will go unnamed.

There's definite a lot of stuff that people are saying. It's a kind of misleading a condition like.

I this watch county share of day warrior, we do have to say the trust fund d kids and things I get that have come up here that are not responsible that mommy and daddy didn't want them around them because there's such a pain in their ass. So they sent him down here for everybody else to deal with. Then there's deputy way in Clark from according to show of dana warrior has been the official agent in charge of Crystal case for a few years now. I've never interviewed wae Clark directly, but he's made a .

few appearances. As you may remember, there's a lot of possibilities identify the call everybody also just to take that wasn't heard of.

Oh yeah and don't forget roy, it's called .

the tone drum o. It's a guy here makes IT the ends of propane x and was them together .

and there's little cut slit.

Now we're cut up in all the different people in this story. Let's go over the timely.

In the summer of two thousand sixteen, Crystal was twenty nine years old in late june. Around june nineteen, Christal was in denver. SHE was visiting E. I, who was recovering from being .

mugged and beaten.

SHE texted debby rodney's wife, that he was back to the stone on june twenty second. Crystals Crystal boyfriend says Crystal was sexually assaulted at cat fish's house on june twenty eight. He stated that he told him this and was very shaken by IT.

Around this day, he told the same thing to land lord orco ald, when are a went to collect Crystals? Rand catfish posted the heart on Crystal facebook page on june twenty eight as well. Crystals, Crystal y friend says he last a Crystal around july twelve.

They got in an argument at her apartment. Any left around july twelve. Crystal also biked groceries. July fourteen th was crustal last post on facebook.

IT was the result of a facebook quiz, one that you can share with your friends, landlord aroma Donald said. The Crystal posted on facebook regularly at least every other day. July eighteen was the eve of the full moon when the drum circle took place.

July twenty first is cat fishes birthday. According to the police report, this was around the last time I are. Crystal catfish stated this sometime around his birthday.

He came over a smoke weed, drink wine and watch movies. He also stated he didn't not know her very well. July seventh, landlord, our mcDonald files a police report. Deputy Tyler harford does the report. Deputy harper talks to Crystal.

Neighbor jeremy sharp searches Crystal's apartment and her phone, which is still in the apartment around this time, ei posts on facebook that he hasn't heard from Crystal since july fourteen, which was highly unusual. Second deputy win Clark searches Crystal apartment, and on August sixteen, the police case report has entered with Christal description and information. Weeks after Christal win missing, e line and rodney go to cast stone to talk to police and search for Crystal.

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we've heard that name a lot of this case from all kinds of people.

John goes by the nickname mama.

said, don't go down to the rivers. Stay away from catfish. John, it's a bad nickname. Man, every time I will .

post anything about crustal caress shows the coming friendly.

So he's watching.

John stated that around his birthday the Crystal had come over to his house. He stated that they drank wine, smoked marijuana and watch movies. John said that he fell asleep as he was leaving. John said that he did not know Crystal that well and had no idea where he might go.

He was just fucking with her head, my mother, that he was dead and bad that you but I got rape so he said he powder there, one water please. You took a part from SHE told me if he was health there and through well, once I started poking around to figure out deputy win Clark of the watch.

counting shared apartment question caf fish on August tenth, two thousand sixteen, after allegedly hearing his name on social media in relation to crustal disappearance. Perhaps the most interesting thing about this person, besides his weird nickname, is when he said he last saw crustal. He said he was, quote around his birthday, but his birthday is july twenty first. By almost all accounts, the last time that Crystal was seen or heard from was around july thirteen th.

then one day around july thirteen and twenty sixteen, after attended a drum circle festival, SHE vanished .

is definitely the day he is last seen by anybody.

The thirteen um do you know if that .

was the drum circle night or no i'm thinking .

that that was the drum circle night. The drum circle was mentioned .

a lot in the beginning that was even mentioned in the fox study one news report done by Chris halsey.

The drum circles were well attended. They went all night. There was somebody in town who was questioning, you know, how he could arrive with people with the drum circle. And nobody associate that other person with them and can't member what they and win. And where he laughed last time, he was seen on a thirteen after the drum circle, bit of the drum circle is on the eighteen so if I was july eighteen.

everybody says the .

thirty and people are saying last time he was seen on a thirteen, there's a lot of stuff care to wait through at this point.

I personally think the whole drum circle theory, to begin with, was a rumor that was spread around intentionally to throw everyone off. okay. So back to catfish.

The drum circle in july two thousand sixteen, most likely occurred on july eighteen th, going into the we hours of the morning of july nineteenth s the day of the full moon so let's say for a second that Christal did go that trump circle that would mean that on july thirteen th Crystal essentially drops off the face. The earth doesn't respond to any calls or text nobody in town sees or hears from at all. And then all the sudden SHE reemerges.

Almost a week later, the night of the drum circle by herself, and then disappears into the night. Sounds a little crazy, right? What's crazy here is someone alleging to have seen her after the drum circle.

And right now, the only person doing that is catch fish. He says he saw around his birthday, july twenty first. It's kind of vague. You have to think, well, what does around my birthday mean like within twenty four hours or a few days? So maybe he can mean something like july eighteenth or july nineteenth around the drum circle.

But playing devils advocate here, he could also mean something like july third or twenty forth that still around his birthday than a few days. Either way, that stands out to me. And if were ever definitively proven that cryo did not attend the drum circle in july two thousand and sixteen, which seems likely, and this is huge, my personal opinion, Christal never went to the drum circle in july.

Something happened to or around july thirteenth or fourteenth. So what else do we know about catfish in the podcast thus for we've only gather here, say, over the past few weeks, we've been doing some more digging. We've learned that cat fish is the son of very wealthy family, a family that has been in Christ stone for decades now.

His family also owns a few spiritual centers there. Cadiz is forty years old. He's been hanging around Crystal sensus 22， and in that time he's got acquired. The reputation there, different artists running catfish continue to emerge. And until we find Crystal, for me personally, remain my reader.

Okay, moving on. The next guy I want to talk about is brian. Yes, there's that sound again. Brian is also known as bredy brian or dreddy B.

I know this may be a little confusing, but the easiest way to remember IT is that he's the only brian, and the story, at least usf AR. So what do we know about trudy? Brian, well.

he's one that ended up bringing her to craft. He ended up crashing her car and Christal was very upset. D, about that. And they had a fling out.

SHE had filed suit against bran, and back in fourteen, he direct her car, and SHE sued him to get the money.

the car, to kick up with his kid for somebody that gives you recit. And then after high and dry, SHE was hanging out with tall brian. okay.

And there was a mother, guys, brian showed up and he said to me, you need to call Crystal. She's very upset. I totally.

Her car. He thought I was funny. He told her car. He told her car out there in the ba, kind of on IT a straighter way. I mean, you had to work card to do IT and he he says, I think he did IT on purse SHE filed a police report SHE ended up taking SHE never got paid. And JoNathan, he told her car they were.

Really in what I can offer, right? Been with two people, overdose around them, and they were looking another over something, do something that by her from other people. And of true, I used being at my house and should do like after soon, a few good as something good that up a new cristal as well.

We know that brian had known Crystal for a few years before he went missing. They met in the nearby town of ghanian. IT was actually judy bryan, who first brought Crystal to Christan in two thousand fourteen. Bryan wreck Crystal car and told ed, apparently after that incident, their friendship became a little rocky, every shouts of brian several times, but he hasn't responded.

I did, however, get my hands on an audi o recording of brian shortly after Crystal went missing, which I played at the end of episode six because of the awful cellphone reception in Christine and the bocca. His call, like some of the others, was often difficult to understand. So I had a voice sector go and and recreated. I'm going to replay a porter that call for you. Now let's listen for a second.

I know this is not like her for sure. Last time I actually saw her was jez IT was like a little over a month ago, but I think just like two and a half weeks ago or whatever at the last done circle, I think I was there. I could swear I heard her singing. I was just drumming for six hours straight, drinking and smoking. I don't remember a whole lot about the evening except the drumming, but I could have saw.

I heard her voice. Brian said he thinks Crystal was at the july drum circle, but he didn't see her.

That's the last jez, I guess the last drum circle was two and a half weeks ago. And before that I was, like, six weeks ago. But the last time I talked to her, there was a day after the full moon, the full moon before that. I was the day after that.

Then he goes on to say, IT was the drum circle before that. Well.

which one was IT?

SHE called me on the street. He was up in her apartment there. And she's like, hey brian, I think cat fish puts some fucked up shit on facebook about you.

You know what I mean because we'd like we had an argument and got I did some work in the house and he didn't pay me for IT. She's like, you know, I was over there and he told me, he said he didn't remember, but he said he thought he might have drugged her or something. SHE had to clean his house too. And that was the last conversation I had with her, but I could have swore SHE was at the last strong circle.

More notably, IT seemed that brian made a point to tell the personal the phone that he did not know. Crystal, that will.

We weren't like super close. I wouldn't know where her specific spots would be.

You know what I mean, but as we know, that can be true. He crashed her car two years earlier, and before that they were friends in gunner son. He even watched her daughter a koa.

So up until episode six last week, there's only been two persons of interest here, cat, fish and rEddie, brian. But then a few more players emerged, and I gave them all nicknames, calvin, london and jack. Basically, all these guys know each other.

From what i've found, they've had a vine degrees of friendship, a regards of whose friends with who, at one time or another, they all ran in the same circle. And Christine, a very small circle. Let's start with calvin.

Calvin seemed to have the most credible knowledge when I came to Crystal. And what may have happened to her, like the other phone calls, some of his conversation was hard to understand. So we, we created the most important parts.

Mythologists limited the ones who I guess were involved or were not involved. And and really what IT comes down to is, brian, you've GTA start there. That's the way IT is.

Cat fish had nothing to do with IT. On the end of, on the end of, basically, I believe that he was killed. Okay, I do believe her.

And brian got into an argument, brian killer, and then they disposed of the body. I'm not sure who they are, but i'm pretty sure if you want to land. And jack and brian, if you get those three, they'll be able to figure.

Kelvin essentially says, if you want to figure what happen a Crystal, the answer lies with these three guys, dreddy, brian, london and jack, and also catfish.

Once I started talking to catfish, got to basically no cat fish. IT wasn't him at all. I hate to say this, but he may have helped him cover IT up.

The bigger question I had was, why did calvin seemed to know so much for someone who wasn't involved at all? According to him, he sure did have a lot to say about IT either way, for the most part. But calvin told me, seem during true, even though some of the details remain a little confusing of the names that calvin mentioned, london and jack, I was only able to go to hold of one of them, ladon. London's coal was perhaps the hardest to understand because of his location and the quality of his phone. But IT wasn't .

just you dens.

All I love them hear .

that I can barely .

hear you.

And really, london also seem to have a .

lot to say about Crystal for having not been involved whatsoever. But I heard him out anyway. Perhaps the most important take away from my call with london was this.

I mean, was I there for anything that nature? No, I wasn't. I went over the person's house, cat, Fisher house, and SHE was there. And at the time I take out the trash form and stuff, you know, I got to a, did some warm form, things that he couldn't do.

SHE was there, and I matter, and he was trying to help me take out trash and SHE how to pretty positive vivo about her. And I was just plain as obvious that there was an element of manipulation dynamic between the two of them is so crazy like he, he tried to go even crazy on purpose. And I think he's great. If he try to go crazy, your man, his credibility would be in question. I feel like he's just .

not poisoning .

me with sd. During that time, we put acid in me, hire people to steal from me, hire people to beat me up, put libel sandor, all sorts of fucking crazy stories out there about me.

IT was rumour that cafe fish had quote on, quote dost people with different drugs in the past as some sort of retaliation. Calvin had also mentioned something about dosing.

They're basically dosing each other with L, S, D to basically drive each other insane. If you want to get dose, that means you're gonna drop some asset. But I mean, if you're getting dose, that means somebody is either trying to kill you, drive you insane or push you to a point where your mental stay can't handle the amount of drugs that you're on. There's several people that have been dost around here through method thetis. Specifically, they walk around fighting shadow people for the rest of their lives, you know, should like that.

And unexpected heavy, those of hard drugs can make anyone sounded like crazy. Is that why calva noticed a huge psychological change in both lands on?

And I saw a complete psychological breakdown from lands on brian, and the paranoia of all three of them just went through the roof. London went from being a standard math psychosis to being completely paranoid ed at all times, even when he was super or not thinking that people were following him. And I, when they mentioned that they had found Crystal body, he completely freed. Doubt jackie ended up being committed.

I guess both could be true. Some level of involvement in Crystal's disappearance, coupled with the extreme psychological effects of hard drugs, I don't know, but london certainly had some interesting things to say.

And not all of IT was easy to follow. Awareness, knowledge. What's in on the plan is much big, big hurdles opening like they could be opening now. But by two thousand and eight, I mean, this ship is kind of crazy and I I prize sound like i'm not right.

Asked for the other guy, jack. I was unable to reach him for comment, but he's read all my facebook members dating back to june. There's a lot of fingerpointing going on within this circle. My question is simple. Why are the hell they talking about IT so much rumors have to start somewhere, and IT seems like they all trace back to here.

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Just a few weeks ago, an anonymous person make contact with catfish, catfish claiming the dreddy brian confessed, killing Crystal in a message sent amon facebook. Now this is a bold claim. Catfish also went on to say that he shared this message with the cbi, the corona beer of investigation.

That sounds pretty damming for judy brian, but is IT true. Capi's claimed that he shared this incriminating facebook message with an agent at the cbi. But we can't just .

take his word for IT calling the color the unit. I eventually make contact .

with the cbi, but because this is in fact an active investigation, they couldn't share any details on record, but they did acknowledge having heard this information. So maybe catfish is told the truth.

And if he is, and the message he has from brian isn't doctor red, they are altered in anyway, then IT should be case closed, right? Well, I don't know, where do you landed and jack fall the picture? And why is london never once mentioned? Really, brian, in fact, he only mentioned cafiero. What about calvin stories of these alleged night tears?

London was staying at my house one night, and he woke up and he was like, I didn't do IT. Now I know what he said. I didn't mean to do IT.

That's what he said I didn't mean to do IT to her. And then I for cat fish several times, cat fish was like, I didn't think they're killer. I've heard him say that a couple of times, just not general night terrorist. He's actually said .

that twice in conclusion, until the more people in the circle start talking and set the record strait, this story will continue to be muddled with misinformation.

However, now more people are talking. In fact, some people are talking a whole lot. We've officially reached that moment and up and evanished, where you as a listener or almost caught up with me from this point forward, this story becomes much darker and much more complicated.

Next monday's episode will be a listen or Q, N. A. So please call us with any questions you have to answer the next monday.

The number is four, four, four, one zero zero nine one one. Again, that's four, four, four, one zero zero nine one one or resume with episode aid on monday, october twenty second. In the meantime, here's a teaser for what's to come later this season on up and vanished.

I got a visitor in my court yard who told me he was there. Or he knows where that party was.

All of these people have open, active warns. None of them should have a gun, my love, none of them should have guns. The enforcement went in and preventing ristal as missing person report seven sixteen thousand when he was specially report missing in our data a then someone went in there then and said, last one thirty.

You know, lady came in and he was sitting in the car, you know, so like, I walked up and my folking body brawly know what to follow up and very, you know, and he early was just laughing at all, though. And he said, like, I don't give a thought, i'm going to china literally laughing about that. I mean, like he didn't even seem like he was in his right mind.

He dose my best friend so hard and got frequent I do IT if he's fried now from running through the snow would like no shoes on his fingers. How he got frost fingers are fucked for life envited, you know, I am. Yeah, he was stealing, but do come on now. This isn't fuck in eighteen hundreds, where we cup people stands up and shooting, understand?

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