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If I going to interview on the record with somebody who's been accused of some horrific crimes, i've often found that they want to talk, they want to brag about IT in some weird way, some cryptic way. The folks who are best to make determinations about what the truth and fall city of what they're saying is, our detectives who know the case is best done. A lot of cold case homicides when I do track somebody down, get that interview.

Cold case homicide detectives who know far more than I do. I don't have their file when they hear what that person has to say right away, they see red flags right away they are going on. That's a lie.

Oh, that's not what we heard before. Oh, that's a new detail. They hear more out of IT than I. I am just reading them as most of time, trying to move their way out of tough questions without directly admitting to anything.

I've run into accused killers who are extremely bold, and i've run into those that are just flat out lies. It's not I that determines the fall city of IT, but detectives, prosecutions, they can see small things that trip killers up. If they would find Crystal body and positive, they would know exactly who to go to as the top suspect or suspects. They have suspicions and they have some evidence. A defense attorney wouldn't take much to say.

Maybe she's alive.

can't make a case, so finding her is pretty important. If you have suspects talking, those who know the case best are the ones who can make the determination whether that persons tell the truth or not or whether saying something that's new, it's all new to you, right? IT may not all be new to the share.

I talked to a guy one time who was accused of killing little boy and two women. I tracked him down in the Philippines. And when I interviewed him, I said, you know, you're the last person to see her a lot.

And he laughed. He said, yeah, I guess I was not ambition. Just a weird statement.

Especially when you can defend yourself. But that meant to a lot to the detectives. That statement, for example, I think the most maniacal killers of that way. I acquired the ted bundy tapes from the F. I.

Archives, from a source, ted bundy, just before the executive but he's taunting the detectives right up to death row he's telling them new details that they did know tells the place for the first time when he killed your jane hawkins s at the university of washington SHE was a saudi girl. He club ed over the head with a tyran, put her in the car, took out into the woods in kelvin. The next day, he came back on his bicycle to see the parking lot in which he took her from, and the police were there, and he drove his bike through the parking lot.

He saw her earring on the concrete, and he picked IT up, put IT in his pocket. And so he's telling detectives this just before they put him to death. He's taunting them, telling them that they missed something, that he was smarter than them to the very end. Creepy stuff.

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From tender for TV elena, this is up and vanished. I'm your host pain lenzing.

Hello, brother.

Hey, man is strong.

Yeah.

this is pain.

Are you recording this?

Yes, i'm recording this.

That's more throughout the course of our .

investigation, there's been one named that kept t popping up. Cat fish according .

to the .

police report, cat fish was the last person to see Crystal alive, at least that we know about. As we've all learned, coal cases like this are full of rumors. IT was time to get his side. The story.

Listen, you understand my frustration. Isn't I got some kind of that against you or something like I don't have that kind of mentality? What i've got is I lived there for seventeen years, and now i've got a bunch of gossip for king two week ers and talking to me about.

Why would I hurt the girl? I barely knew her. She's a rainbow, my just protector.

Where are you at with this? Why are you doing this? And why is this happening to me?

I have a pocket called up and vanished. Ed, and it's about missing persons. I have family in colorado, so I heard about the Crystal story and I started looking .

into to how nice so what you I have not taken, i'm so here's how you know, I am I have yet to take the time to listen to one word of one part because you see the same friends like i'm done, i'm done being accused of like last crime I would ever commit. Pretty much like it's like like, can anyone think of one at the moment? Honest sly, you know anything like the selling a pot in the park then about like some think this this is a brain.

Both sister who allegedly was always bad things happened to which, first of all, there's been no crime. What happened? I don't know. I've told the C, B, I, the view and the locals, all I can possibly give them and more.

Judy, brian, brian did admit to doing something, but he could been saying IT to be funny or something like that is a weird. But he basically said he keep fast. He didn't.

However, that i'm not able to get involved in that, i'm guessing, because that's called a federal investigation, I would be interfering in. So unless you have some kind of a large amount of money, i'm joking. I'm not in this for the money either.

But i'm not put mood for jokes like i'm being harassed. I ran out of my own village. I give me eleven years, eleven years.

I have my kid and now i'm with anymore like, so this sort about, we want justice Christal kids, why do you too? But you know what I mean, are you going? But no, why would I be friends with someone after they said something like that? First, he said that he done something that I would be completely against doing.

which was.

look, this is my interview of user. This is not your interview of me. Respectfully, I hear your canvas, your good canvas, you would be great.

And door, door with. I do not mean to offend you. I am turn your recorder of you want then I did my question. But secondly, you know, you going to do that? And third, I had nothing to do with this.

Why would I tell you something that I wouldn't tell any of my friends? Why would I do something like this to begin with? What is this? And this hasn't even necessary.

Hopefully this happened. He's been missing five times before. I shown up a disney land. Maybe we should .

check disneyland. And i've never what's .

excuse me so i'm asking you, have you've been slain me on live podcast for money? No, i've never santered.

You have only spoken the facts in the truth. I learned about your name because of the police report. Crystal was at your house around your birthday, correct?

I'm not answering your questions .

like this.

okay? Ah you're you're in this for money. I mean this from my life.

All I do is I play with people tell me and I want you to tell me what you know or what you don't know or how you feel about all this.

Considering you again, asking me to interfere with with the federal investigation.

I'm working with her family, her daughter, rodney .

amy.

They all want to know what happened to Christal. You're the last person to.

we know know me and they know I didn't do anything. So it's like but one thing for sure is the who hover administration likely has jis product is over over that this situation there as far as what you need doing for if I go against the F, B, I and hand you information that they're sitting, unlikely because they know what they're doing now, how to do the job, I could be in a little Better travel.

I know about the facebook message.

You don't have service side thing was that. You don't have. The recipient in, and you don't have facebooks time stamp server in, can like a being like basically approved like they did where I came from IT wasn't type the same person know .

is real to the .

computer and hot and my computers I didn't .

you give Christal a ten dollar computer.

Book like a book, you mean like a little very good a book. You may like like you know a chrome book or someone. I know that he was said to have taken one, and i'm happy that he did.

He was a very small, very, would you call IT? IT was like the t ball of the kindergarten of expLoring life networks. Basically, he was my name, force. And I remember the real name for IT is how to hack amazon for ten dollar books on how to hack amazon. My goes basically about, you know, how do you get free .

wifi someone told me a story about seeing you some sort of van, gold blue van or something a and what look like a body roll up in a shovel in the pouring rain.

This persons line to for certain you're speaking, but now is definite not i've never been in a man gold, mister SHE wave two hundred pounds and like that away, one forty. We see that happening with a carpet rapped up and IT come on me. And then I have the one that has resource leave there and stayed for three years.

From what I can tell you are the last person to see Crystal.

Well, unless she's all alone and left all on her own, obviously that's not true.

Do you think you left on around.

sir? You might think i'm an idiot, but you know, i'm not on something hard for to her. I would be the one saying that then who else said that? Because I sure shit and saying, and we know that you, I didn't wouldn't care you have, even with .

his family.

I want you to hear me. I have not listened to one second of one podcast that is .

so family.

me, don't give. What am I to do when I ve told I answer every question I could? Over and over again as honestly I could. Here I am exposing myself, the things like that, and it's because I actually care also, but I care about my life.

Have people been treating you differently?

There couldn't go for three years because everyone looking at me. That's the guy that I heard, someone heard, someone heard, did IT no one told you directly that they saw me put somebody in a van. Man, I heard the rumor.

Student, it's all about. I heard that so and so heard that so and so saw that five parties once more removed. John did something to look like.

He went and took the trash to the curve recently. I mean, seriously, have nothing to do with harming her in any way whatsoever. And you need to understand that if we are ever going to talk lately.

On june twenty eight, in two thousand and sixteen, Crystal said that he was raped at your house. Is that true?

SHE did not say yes. He did.

He said to, said that to ora, said that to ely, as three different people.

I don't know, don't know me, and the truth is, is not true.

What happened at night?

What night?

June twenty eight, two thousand sixteen, and went and put Crystal up from your house in the midnight?

No, SHE was scared of him and he left him to come for safety. Now I said, i'm like, i'm saying some shut here, so i'm just going to stop. But that's the truth familiar. That's what happened.

Why would you make that up?

Because that little being care free was making IT up for reasons of his own yet not deler month.

but they all make IT up to and e line. They both told me that Crystal told them he was raped at your house on june twenty eight. Why would Christmas?

Make that .

up there.

Do you want to cut the check today or you want to cut the check latter? Because honestly, you're making some shot up and falls using me of IT I know told him and for a fact they did not tell you that we .

team out cutting a check. What do you mean?

Like in half, because I don't want any money out of this.

What do you mean?

Don't want to earn out of this? Like you s to go. I don't want to falsely accuse me because I don't want to sound like an angry person like I am, but I am telling you i'm killing fifty messages a day or more.

People say that these guys fucking slander on this podcasting and i'm so innocent. I have a new to listen to the podcast you trying to frame me up for money, the midnight. That is a terrible thing away.

And that was happened to me the last three, nine, three, three years in a row. Wake up, people using me a should like, I mean, like this by people. There were friends, I thought.

The truth is, everyone out there is nice set for those armed on man made salts. Talking about putting things is crazy and hell. Think about that for me and these are going to be reliable medical witnesses.

unlikely. Um the woman telling someone that he was a rape in his house, anyone else and take not mind that that I don't do that kind of thing. One of the few crimes i'm agains, i'm i'm more inst salon than I in the other one, there still isn't even a crime he done to missing five times before I showed up in deals.

Maybe we should check them all. I'm not trying to be funny, sir, but i'm saying, look like for real, this is ruined my life and now you are attack me. You are an official adversary at this point.

If you wish my friendship, you need to come correct on something to understand that I didn't have nothing, anything to do with this. I've been falsely accused, john, like the cbi. Notice a few guys at that.

I notice I know a few of guys and not necessary the best ways. But truth is, then you didn't said, what did you say about me? There's got so many .

people tell me in about .

people is telling you about her, telling people that I and stuff like that absolutely like about that and this very .

I never said that. That's other people who said that.

That's you're line to me when you say they said .

that that .

a sense you're saying they said things they did not say.

I recorded people who told me that Christal said that he was raped at your house on june twenty.

Did the rose and with the fucking in nineteen.

My first call with cat fish was interesting to say the least, but not exactly productive. He was obviously angry that people in reston were suspicious of his involvement, but my main focus was on something different. Crystal's accusation that he was drugged and raped at his house on june twenty eight, two thousand sixteen.

Let's go through what Christal's friends have told me about this incident. This is ora Christal's landlord. Cat fish was the .

last person to call her on her phone, which was left buying in her her apartment when I started talking with her friends that were coming by looking for. They all said the same thing, which was he has to be a cat fishes. I mean, we're talking like fifteen people all said the same thing. And when I put the two together of her saying, I went to this party and got drugged and raped, and then I heard all those rumors, and then he was headed over there as her last thing to do before SHE disappeared. IT just leads me to believe that either something bad happened to her while he was there or after he was there.

And here's what the Christan boyfriend told me.

SHE wanted me to stay with there because he had had some fucked up should happen to her cautions like SHE was trying to tell him that what people over there, but he didn't remember i've never seen her that stair SHE told me that he was helped there against her will. He thought he might got rap .

cording to him. This happened on the night of june .

twenty eight from twenty. After he got rich, he was very nice to up about IT wanted to go to the police about IT guys trying to talk to her and SHE elt like he was too late that he didn't deal a rapid.

Since Crystal has been missing, he says the cafe sh has tried several times to reach out to him on facebook.

I blocked him because you are trying to get all the me, and like, just trying to send me on this peace and one I am.

But IT wasn't just a Christon boyfriend who knew this story. Allegedly, Christal told rex boyfriend E I to the father of her daughter.

He tell me all about that. He said he knew who was there, and he says he is positive. IT was there, and IT was caught. brian. And a third time who you can't identify SHE isn't.

So it's buzz to her because of the way that they drugged did on her like he didn't know that they did that he was fuzzy to her. But he knew he knew that there was at least three guys, and one was a fishing, one of the other one is brand. The dreddy Brown is a big al.

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back to my call with catfish.

I mean, it's like this man, I mean, you can accuse people a lot of things, but I wonder what has been said on that podcast is got my friends so on all about this fight like just saying like you live you and just saying nobody threatens and you're nothing like that. What i'm saying is you don't do that kind of thing either. I don't hurt our sisters like that.

The thing is, like, I barely knew her, like I had no involved with her. We never even kissed we. I mean, there is no, there was no, none of that at all.

I thought he was a little bit cute, would have definitely considered in such. But the truth is we just hung out and that into the story. That's where IT begins and end. I confused .

a little bit like, I mean, I believe you just help me out business.

You said that you didn't .

know her very well, but SHE hung out with you and drank wine and smoke away on your birthday.

I didn't say that, did not say that. If you want to take prove with a lot.

that's what the police said.

There is no police report. You'd lying mother, you are. Now what is this .

called historicity? What you in Operation, i'll send you the police report.

You will send me the police report, why they held what they give you a copy of the police report, when when they've been ordered to stand down on of themselves, have an executive order. But of this is busing. So yeah, i'll take theyll, take IT.

I take one. I will tell message back if I just got home. I got home like a four hour bike grade, right? So i'm a little bit.

Let me send you an email in the next five minutes. I need to calm down. Have a drink. Thank you.

A cinema copy of the police report written by swatch county deputy wade Clark, which detailed his brief interview with cafe fish a few weeks after you were missing in the report, according to win catheter states that he was hanging out with Crystal around his birthday, which is july twenty first, and that they drink wine and smoke marijuana. And then the next day Christal got up and left, but he didn't tell cafe's where he was going.

Catfish also said that he didn't know that well. Perhaps one of the biggest allegations we ve heard this far, besides Crystal saying that he was drugged, raped, kafir his house catfish himself, claiming that dreddy brian confessed killing her on facebook messenger, he said brian confessing a message and that he shared this information with the cora bur of investigation. I called the cbi.

Myself to confirm they had this, and they told me they did. But when I talk to catfish, you kept telling me that he couldn't release. He said he faced a twenty five year prison senate for interfering with the investigation.

That seemed a little strange to me. After all, the message was sent to him. He should build to do with every once with IT, and this information could essentially clear him.

right?

So I called the C, B, I again and ask them point plain if catfish could share this message in the C, B, I agent working this case, tell me, yes, catfish can share the message with anyone. Wow, it's amazing. So I reach back out to catfish to share the great news.

So I don't think you understand I I don't even get out anymore because of this put like three years now this my only chance of any daytime whatever i'm skipping thing i'm not Normally such a sounding of a fucking frey person. I'm saying that I am being. If you make god casts about, mean, I think, what one second of one of, don't you think a guilty person I want to consider do? So no, if I had done, and I would watch that, you do that. Do you have ideas?

I talk to the cbr. I said that you could give me the information.

Who at the C. B, I told you I could released information to you. Why did he not released to you then?

I guess he couldn't listen to me.

but he said that you could, you can ask him yourself. Good way. A phone, by the way, to grow well.

I think can clear your name pretty quickly. In one episode, the podcast with .

that inform destroyed over that situation once the person cused mean.

yeah, the first, right with the next.

And brian an accuses and crimes like that, people don't ever remember if they were acquitted. Remember they had a good attorney, but nothing, because I never considered anyone to ever be innocent of IT once until this time here very much maybe cause be, maybe SHE knew he was getting to, everyone know I help maybe that i'm fuck me for enough quotes but um i'll jokes aside.

did bryan say that he killed her because if if he did and there is a simple of that, ryan.

yeah is the direct confession and I have server side and my end of the my computer .

put out there in the right the problem.

I lost all my computers when I lost my home over this kind of crap. So i'm having to get back into an online storage thing and listen to me, your friend, this is a for real on a brick of for real like i'm being very real you and why can we not release her real name?

What do you .

mean makes me scared? Not not afraid of the fucking I don't .

understand is your real name?

I'm not allowed to release her .

real name is .

your name Cathy wising berg. And there's only six of them in the entire since this bureau that was available to me time I looked at in that doesn't .

making any sense.

Well, I would kind of concur that choose you when I back to have off of some kind of situation like that concerning some kind of problem of things or 视频。 One is preparing as the fact that been told by officials hals not to release her name, if you check, wants to know this is very hard and a IT annoy at this point. Basically, i'm starting to try to teach myself not to care what's going on with her, okay, and with my own personal time OK.

It's like this, but I hello care, but that's the curse of an current person. okay? SHE her name? He was, is Katherine IT.

Could be Karen likely kelt expelling? Pretty sure I was Katherine. You understand when I was going to this data, I knew who was coming to see me in the next morning. okay.

I guessing like this, say you want you want to be, you want to change, you can you know is I don't think it's some kind of like I think that part of IT has something with that types start to do with that, honestly, because they would come up with more clever name is just the heavy version. What would Catherine rising her? That was a wise her.

Thank you. Change her name to to to have a call lipping name, there would be likely the name that's on the posters and stuff. Which I donated computer equipment for the being made. So I mean anyways the but is the point is is that um why are we sitting on our hands when there is a file saying that i'm no longer a person of interest suspect in in the situation and have provided all information available signed off by two people sitting in a file while there some other thing like .

how soon can you get the file if give IT to me and I will .

put that out there for the world to see I mean.

yeah I get can just read IT.

I guess he was pretty funny.

He kept bringing up the facebook message, but when I told him that you release IT, he had a different reason. He couldn't give IT to me. He lost his computers and has to log in to some cloud account or something like that.

But maybe the weirdest thing he said was that Crystal had a different name. That Crystal rising, your wasn't even a real name. What is that even supposed to mean? Apparently, he gained access to some super secret government files.

Sounds unlikely, but even if that were true, well, we're ish. I didn't brian confess to catfish that he killed her. How could both of these things be true? He went on to tell me that he's been a communication with some random people on the internet, likely trolls. To be clear, I have no idea who these people are, and there's no connection to me or up and vanished. But he found .

that pretty irritating. He message me the day, fish, you Better run. They found a, were there how I gonna run? Why would I fucking even care? Almost other than i'm a caring person like um implying as if ohh oh no you don't call me. I mean I have about fifty people a day contact you.

make a promise that works for or .

i'd be out by now at clean time, serve all mankind for the hell I been to basically, i've considered fuck confessing to the park at the end by going, just say, and on the information about who really they did IT did not do anything to hurt this woman at all. I barely new SHE come over like twice.

Um SHE was crazy like all of them people here you know um I sound the crazy but because i've been hunted like this talking hunted for like three years and no one managed to to break the glass and three to miss my has kind of thing where the vigils is that on IT I will say this on free will. You are sure whoever you get there with this fine you can too often the agents could be beef ee. That someone I knew and like IT near whenever and said, first of all, no one has anything on all said is so and so said that so and so said that so and so so and take the trash out in an orange band or something.

Do we see me driving ARM plan ever once? Not even if we do. And as all these people were my friends and my family, I thought that was none of them. That was a peaceful, beautiful spiritual community. When I move there, people's work, part mushrooms, things like that, then the the other stuff to smoke is stuff to whatever come through and IT fucking and not blaming IT, because what people do is what we will do, and what you got to do is what if you do. But this is just a disrespect to me, and i'm not gonna take you to the level of is we just want just for her daughter and stuff I ve heard that so many times .

at me we can clear you.

I don't really I mean, I appreciate that. So can I because now I have permission to do so also. Um if you believe me to be innocent, then please do so.

If you don't, Frankly don't because like I mean f to the past couple years I ve been wanting them to make me forced myself to improve my innocence on this not the point of being done enough taxi like you know and cousin, but but even talking with you against my council is done, I can do. But IT is like, it's not to me, to me, I don't really care much about retrospect actually over whatever is blame and punishment stuff. But I do care about is making sure that whoever did IT doesn't do IT.

Again, the fact that i'm telling you tread brand is accuse me of haccp into his facebook. And without commenting on that much, I say that I say to the time I said he, listen, why did you like he? He, he's, he's no ones blocked. I mean, he's never blocked anyone before except her. Sometime in july, I forget when, like july eighteen, there's something he blocked her on facebook. Then he's know about one thousand women brothers have locked him, but he blocked one person one time, his life and with her and I asked him, as is so why did you do this? Don't accuse me of some hackers and should don't matter he said so then he found so then he said these words to, i'm not going to say the words brian killer is what he .

type you say like .

I did he use the world you the words like I see OK yeah, yeah, yeah that i'm just gond no I I that's why the boys don't ask me to talk with and if you were gonna frame up in, this man uses some trick like that one. I was a more medical distress. That sealing reason one was, well, I thought I was going to climb back in their system to to their files because all my computer reston itself.

But then I remember how how they received them, which means there's still there. I just have one hundred and thirty two some files they have to look through. And I .

could my internet .

is working over time, defending itself from what i'm assuming to be every one room. So you don't know these people that claim ed to work for you. Couldn't we do like a one hundred six hundred and not picking on your thing? Hadn't watched IT all at her. Is everyone telling me, telling me that this guys cute due to this nance of and I like the fact, like I want to watch them curious your .

in the last episode I put in there what you said, like I said, that there's this message out there that brian and that claims that he did IT if you have IT, I promise you I will put .

that out there would like I have a half of daylight that I haven't been outside yet to do. I need that, okay? Like I need that. What I need the money, money like the thing about the money with you is only because I know that um my name is not just some name picked that of some kind of right thing and there's a few different things involved and i'm not shaking you down here, i'm suggested and you don't play that much but .

the so what would I be paying you for exactly? I didn't .

understand that. But like lights and my name, which is international corporate, yes.

which one fish?

yes. Is that even .

possible?

IT actually is when IT. But I mean, i'm not the suit me, I don't know know like, but I mean, you say IT was a movie that a band or something and the bands cool. And you know I can think whatever, and the truth is, I could use some focus, graduate and 笨笨， but honest with photographers would literally starve these tricks for days before they gave them photo shops. And some of them would get them up on things to make them look extra. As for hung sellers, hungry eyes in the eyes with summer jeans, that's when i've dropped out that there okay, this guy that message me, the reason I can work to say they found body black i'm supposed to all oh no or like, you know, as if I would know where but I I mean you that she's not still as high at the park or something which I say rule now I realize this but the truth is is for all I know, that's what's happening okay. Like except the thing to brian said.

do you believe brian or you think .

he's line to brian is total piece ly. Why would he lie about something like that when where a heated debate on a facebook message you think and he says, alright, fine, fuck you because like, you know and he said that and I tired me so i'm in a screen shot this and block him so he cannot react IT and does exactly what I did and. I've seen.

The things about him, natures and fighters try to me things like that. This point, what i'm saying is, I mean, I have unliterary considering some light really fucked around and find out kind of I can like something because, well, well, if I I mean, i'm when I was first accused of this up and total, i'm facing twenty years in prison after I didn't want everyone saying, but john won't heard a butterfly, you know, butter fire what I was in. I was thinking myself, I might actually not want to be that peaceful looking if IT might be a kind of like, yeah and you know you you know like some kind of like like basically I still have not been charged with anything. I haven't even tried to convince really of my non involvement .

in the situation. I guess .

i'm not saying that wouldn't be smart necessarily though. The point is I I can just imagine for three years coming up to town like them with every everything everyone you talk with has done heard something that someone heard about, someone they know there's no first hand, anything as far I don't like the .

message you have to be honest.

The reason why there is still sitting on that, in my non legal opinion, that doesn't mean it's illegal. You know that jokes, my jokes don't have to be funny, but in fact, this bloke still got jokes and and SHE went there either. So like, that is, uh, will put me back on track. I get real bad. A D, D, and anxious was a question.

What haven't gone to pick up, brian? Like, what are they waiting on?

Because they can do that twice. The situation with them, not having any crime been committed in the happiest way I could possible. Frozen figured that's why they are sitting on .

IT because there's no body.

I'm thinking that's not yes, that's unions. It's true. I'm thinking is not I .

actually just melt that they hadn't found crustal body, not that there may no longer be a body that was interesting. What do you think bian did to her then?

I don't know what any man could have done there because quite a, Frankly, SHE was not a small family woman. SHE was not that he was not, but he was not like one of them at all. Like a SHE was about SHE was party five, nine, five, ten sometimes then kick into this in SHE won a lawsuit against him the day or two before he went missing.

That wouldn't be reason for me against anybody, for for somebody pretest position already. I'm not an annorum al psychology gist like professor or anything, though I probably could give my d where rather IT not be full zen like my uncle would be hard to cutting me hunt himself and I would even go with them. No, IT was the earth because like we got food in the fridge errors but you know something but but um that and not all super screams kind of not enough blind got in gore, I got to go in a second but like, okay, what would he have done with the year?

The one that does is for living on the one who has never come close to ever once being accused of anything like bryan is a skinny junky that stand a bunch of push up from being in jail for a little six months here there basically like he has upper body strain to a fighter to maybe to maybe when, like if SHE wasn't in her full, like faulty or something. But honestly, the two in the box and ring in some gloves and SHE probably not guys has held and saying that he was not skinny and other and small, like you plan this call and not pretexting ship and going to get out the door and about hurry because I can see this daylight fading from me and the truth is undergoing, i'm getting dss impressionable, thinking you going to go out did and suppose this kind of conversation does make me a bit uncomfortable. That would make sense as well.

Do you know that someone stole your computers and that's why you can't give me the message?

From that, how everything when I left, they saw everything rather, if you're not long enforcement and you're not enforcement, me matching names about the people slander me is still basically all of them. That's freaks me up. Brand, that's why do any answer tions about as I was introduced to him, he told, this is good family.

You need to know that was Christmas and I said to him, I said to him, well, why I know you then just jokingly and then I fell T A little bit guilty would have being Christmas and self know being to like that so anyways, we need up being so called friends I thought right then he stole my mom create card for sixteen thousand hours fest to that video that somewhere but it's all on basically thought I had been clever with cloud story you know, when you over password things and stuff and you can get one account, get into their account so you can prove your little one counting, you know, when you hide your keys, do you basically not you personally? Me, I know i'm your drivers. None know more are right in fine friend, I find new imployment. I'm actually not crazy like that. I'm just that much stress that I really just trying the season daylight and I ask him .

about london. One of the guys we heard from briefly in epsom six, do you think is involved with ryan too? Because that's what i've been hearing.

People keep telling me that, but with this stuff here of myself unas a certain accused, the people that have confessed to see what I mean like that's why it's interesting. You've having the time stamp of both, obviously.

because you have to get me that like it'll be huge to put that out there.

How can I earn off this situation is kind of thought across sing my mind. But I tried to ask you for bitcoin is like, like, like if there's that, if there's okay, over a thousand people have done check made background checks on me alone in the past month. There's a thousand people spinning thirty nine and ninety five. We looked up my name because you mentioned IT on a part test.

Well, we actually centered IT.

I can thinking if if we wait. So if you're not my problem with that situation, then I got a whole another problem of a situation which is thirty nine dollars times a thousand people is thirty nine thousand dollars.

Do you want to help me find Crystal too?

No, it's like this. sure. But me once say you put me in into IT, like to say and miss him being involved from like that I wasn't exactly is supposed to put on a raincoat like like you wars kit the beach or some metal flashlight walking around you know, mind set is some way that and going adon founder, do you realize how we are that little where we claimed the a bunch of cited that know me out there claiming to to know and they i'll have different stories.

I can ask you to drop this one because i'm involved in, but if this was just a hypothetical situation, this is when I sure is he would walk away from, but is too late you to do so? agree. So it's closed a proper.

And I need to understand, if you be going, you, it's not my job to prove my innocence, not according to congress, or you know, that can and then I am, if you knew me, like I am the one guy he didn't do IT for sure. That's why I seemed like gaming the Candy ROM at the door. But the point is, we no idea.

You say, like, we know that? No, I think I can not imagine the problem of the person. You could say something .

like that wasn't .

you last seen at your house talk. We don't know what much you missing. We do know this much. I sure as shit didn't say that. So like.

what was he like when he left? Like, did he say you going to go somewhere or something he would like he was going to be up, brian, or.

I mean, that guys, probably, what happened .

to do you think .

he was bryan me? Did you describe that guy he .

was going to meet that was IT. And that makes a sound like some alter eager of mine. I didn't remember this for a year, so after I was interviewed so yeah, IT doesn't really speak well of me to be saying and now a been advised by.

like four times did not do they can who won? Earth is big cat. Nowhere ever have I heard this name, and it's certainly not in the police report. Why is he telling me now?

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mw. USA. That calm for details. The bottom line is that all these things can be true. Brian confessing to killing her, Crystal having some undercover government name.

And now the last time Crystal said was SHE was going to see some guy name big cat. If the big cat stories true, then you may hold the key to solving this. Do you think that that big cat guy and brian are the people who did something like that?

I don't know. I can in one over money or any other reason really like that. I could only hurt somebody if there was an immediate direct of defensive my life or someone analysis, and I would still feel guilt and and would have done fest like they get instantly about if I had the reason why why they do that is not one question i'm going to ask. Jack grew. We had a minute and forty five seconds to run and the movies but once, I mean.

brian should pay for IT, then you know .

how's you're gonna pay for IT, but us, put them in the state, pay for his hatred. Do you want less any longer? Three for one. What if he was joking as little humid of the joke be to say that kind of do things?

Do you think he .

was you think did at point, but he from the is removed from the usual line up. Whose next in line to accept that?

To know that you don't really believe in care about paying for IT you can't pay for a life back. I try like, but is a replacement? no.

And is this thing that I keep hearing about, we just want her child to have justice and stuff. Lison, you heard child at what? Four, five resolution is already indicated enough to need to know who didn't punish them. And that scares me on a like, you know, choky. I had children and their real kind of thing.

I don't know. Like when I met her, SHE was crying and he gave me a hug and he was like, i'm so glast someone's looking for my mommy. I don't know. It's kind of a heart felt.

okay. So I never met her. I didn't know her family. I only with the toys. And apparently i'm not bad, but her and I never hooked up nothing IT was that thought he was pretty everything like that. My father just came home not like I was supposed.

He did come on the phone with the guide from the podcast and said, for all over another missing. So oh, sir, I need to go. now. The reason that I don't care what they done to her kite necessary, and why I think is sick, that you think that her daughter should have to care, is that if your mother is removed from your life in a situation like that, god, for the everyone. At four years old, you're even that of enough to need to know the name in place of a of the person. I mean, is pretty extreme to me when the reason I would tell the truth and have been telling the full truth will continue to I think .

you're just sad.

right? But people will keep coming at me with the same canvas of that basically. Why would you do that? And imaginable to me.

I mean, people have really offended me in my lifetime. There have been some fights i've been in, things like that. At no point if I ever gone out to hurt someone that I can think. But if he had missed five times before, I found at thirds every time, then maybe we should check. I can answer these questions right now.

I need my .

daylight find out who did IT for sure, there is no justifiable reason whether he was talking to cops or whether he was Steven for people, whether he was doing anything at others. Never adjust time. My point is.

There is never look like the question of why was a going to me is quite annoy I see I identified you are from the situation so he thought um called the copy right thinking up. But it's like this which I am not against you from. I do not want to the more and to jail, but but I would like some money.

I would like to know how some trials would be work. I'm asking you that sounds like something. And I have every body, others see every ability to watch a podcast or something, okay, and have yet to see what's being said about me is not something an innocent person, I mean, a guilty person would .

do when you want to know .

what people are saying, not when is the same way me for so and she's, you know, he was a friend of us, he was a friend of mine. And you've got theories, suggestions of what might have been horribly done. Your so it's like this, i'm great either gate really here but walking down the middle street with the ninety eight there, too afraid if we can say what they no is true.

And as another time basically adding the whole four years or um the brian will pay for either way, but say he were to be removed from the situation. They ally, then they find her somewhere a few years later, a few decades later. I don't know, right? Natural causes fifty years ago and down on my look in a coffee shop somewhere is no longer available for the lineup.

But that self showed me at this point I ve just been, I keep hoping it's like all the other time SHE been missing. I mean, a lot of missing people go missing. I realized I didn't know that intel, I telling, but know anyone.

A friend of you know this, remove yourself, your own person, you're a minute, but someone no love and care about goes missing. And three years you're worrying in about you even to kick you those stuff and everyone has come to me with every possible like I don't know every way a person can leave the earth, you die, whatever, but I know those things come back with ten thousand faces of the things that I not watch them T, V. Shows either.

But what i'm saying is i've heard every possible reason that i've never even thought of, such as, like, no reason to buckle your seat belt, reason on debacle, your seat belts, airbags, kill people to you. Meaning, john, I usually IT have something to do with that. Be an ask of me by people.

Did no. Well, I did anything to do with them. Clear brand. I will have to meet me at a transition if you want to find the kid. And true, this, he's a junky. Hit me to somewhere for two hundred dollars and have a grow a black.

Do you know where is me? I can find 那个 he came .

back to question and man right back at home。 he. 我没有 没 来 回合， 我们 是不是？ Yes， i'm joking. But honestly, what I was trying to explain you with.

fuck around to find out. And a big cat guy should be questioned, don't you?

I have leaked his name to the go computer already. question. And I they don't know of your name for that has a similarity to mind. Is not going to be taking kind of by me for that. I never saw him, but he said, but he was leaving to meet him .

for what .

I really don't feel that was my business dressed in. But this A, I didn't see the guy.

Guy, what day was that? Like, around? What day is you leave?

I remember the evening quite well. Go to help, sir, what I mean, serious. Ly, what evening was that?

I don't know. You know what month that is like? You wonder me, connect with me. You give me this space right now.

or we, okay, i'll give me this space point back.

mother foker, that's what happens when you try to shake and buy down for seventy five thousand. Well, so I come at you right with IT with a big request for seven, five grain. Well, it's a pretty big harm of my life is happening and I could use a whole lot to come up money right now. But was just my name said throughout all .

my conversations he kept bringing up money bitcoin. How much money do I want? Stuff like that.

I didn't make any sense whatsoever, and I myself never mention this once, and i'm clearly not in the business of sending or receiving money from him. I asked them begin about the last time, saw Crystal. He .

showed up for the last, the next day after SHE was upset on the phone about her rent or something anyways. And that the best way, regulate, last time I saw. But I sure is, can anything guarantee you that is the very first time I have said that to anyone. Mean, was he mad .

about the rent? SHE was very upset.

Was he was actually very, very, very upset about IT because he was being unjust from place. Was was in the background SHE afford IT. I guess he was .

a money or something or what?

I'm no idea. I bather party very.

One months and then maybe one or two other times that I out there.

You space .

that's more fuck you can have .

IT man, as as far n it's cool.

No, I kind of would be until that happens to you. Give me this space before I said some cruel stuff.

please.

You find some evidence so I done IT. You do what everyone to do because there is none of IT. You have one unheard message. My name is, I just got a message from somebody saying that my name was thought up with the Christal and that you were going out to all of me. I'd like to clear up anything that was said.

I found big cat. He wants to talk.

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