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Sumaira讲述了她24岁时被诊断患有视神经脊髓炎谱系障碍(NMOSD)的经历,以及她在诊断过程中遇到的挑战和克服的困难。她详细描述了疾病的症状,包括视力丧失、身体麻木、疼痛等,以及这些症状给她带来的身心痛苦。她还分享了她与家人、朋友和医生的互动,以及他们对她的支持和帮助。Sumaira的经历突出了罕见病患者在诊断和治疗过程中面临的诸多挑战,以及他们对支持和理解的需求。 Lauren Bright Pacheco作为主持人,引导Sumaira讲述了她的故事,并对她的经历表示同情和理解。她还采访了神经科专家Dr. Michael Levy,以帮助听众更好地理解NMOSD这种罕见疾病。Lauren的采访风格亲切自然,能够引导听众深入了解Sumaira的内心世界,并对她的坚强和勇气表示敬佩。 Sabrina作为Sumaira的姐姐,分享了她对妹妹病情变化的感受和担忧。她描述了在Sumaira生病期间,她和家人对Sumaira的支持和陪伴。Sabrina的叙述展现了家人之间深厚的感情,以及他们在面对疾病时的互相扶持和鼓励。 Dr. Michael Levy作为神经科专家,对NMOSD进行了专业的解释,并分享了他对该疾病的治疗和研究进展的看法。他解释了NMOSD的病理机制、症状和诊断方法,并对Sumaira的治疗方案提出了建议。Dr. Levy的专业知识和经验,帮助听众更好地理解NMOSD这种罕见疾病,并对未来治疗的可能性充满希望。

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Why did Sumaira's vision problems start after a routine wisdom teeth extraction?

Sumaira experienced an infection after the extraction, which led to inflammation and eventually vision loss in her right eye. The initial symptoms were a small black circle in her vision that expanded over days.

Why did doctors initially think Sumaira's vision loss was neurological?

An MRI revealed inflammation in her brain, specifically on the optic nerve, which was causing her vision loss. This indicated a neurological issue.

Why did Sumaira's symptoms worsen a week after her 25th birthday?

She lost vision in both eyes, couldn't feel half of her body, experienced severe pain, nausea, and even lost consciousness. This rapid deterioration prompted an emergency hospital visit.

Why did Sumaira feel guilty about her condition affecting her family?

Sumaira felt guilty because she didn't want to add stress to her family's lives, especially after they had already experienced a significant loss with her brother. She felt responsible for causing them more trauma.

Why did the doctors suspect Sumaira had neuromyelitis optica (NMOSD)?

Sumaira's symptoms, including severe inflammation in the brain and optic nerve, matched the clinical picture of NMOSD. However, she tested negative for the associated antibodies, making the diagnosis more challenging.

Why did Sumaira consider euthanasia during her lowest point?

Feeling overwhelmed by her condition and the constant hospitalizations, Sumaira considered euthanasia as a way to escape the relentless physical and emotional pain. She was desperate for relief and felt she couldn't continue living like that.

Why did Sumaira start the Samira Foundation?

Sumaira started the foundation to raise awareness of NMOSD and other rare neuroimmune conditions, fund research, and build supportive communities for patients. Her goal was to empower others and provide a platform for those who felt lost.

Why is Dr. Levy cautiously optimistic about a cure for NMOSD in the future?

Dr. Levy believes that recent advancements in understanding how the immune system reacts to aquaporin-4 could lead to treatments that turn off this specific immune response. This would allow patients to avoid lifelong immune suppressant medications.

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While working in ophthalmology, Sumaira experienced sudden vision loss in her right eye, followed by a diagnosis of optic neuritis. Doctors reassured her, but her symptoms resurfaced, escalating rapidly.
  • Sudden vision loss in right eye at age 24
  • Optic neuritis diagnosis
  • Symptoms resurfaced a week after 25th birthday

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I went from being fine to walked into a wall, collapsed in my office, lost vision in both of my eyes and couldn't feel half of my body. That's when we all decided I need to go to the hospital right now. It's not something that's outwardly visible. And so they'll end up often in the emergency room because the symptoms are severe. My older sister like asked the doctor, is she going to be okay? And the doctor had no response.

I felt like I was going to die. And all I could think about was like, I don't want my mom to lose another kid. How terrifying would it be to fight an unknown enemy? One you didn't recognize and didn't see coming. What if that enemy was coming from within? A disease that even doctors couldn't identify.

Nearly half of all Americans suffer from some chronic illness and many struggle for an accurate diagnosis. These are their stories. I'm Lauren Bright Pacheco, and this is Symptomatic. Meeting Samira Ahmed, you're immediately struck by her radiant smile and the passion that fuels it.

I did go down the rabbit hole. Sumaira is a beautiful name. Thank you. But it has a very fitting meaning as well for you. It translates as a famous woman, a woman who entertains, a successful woman. And so I thought, how did your parents know to name you Sumaira? Oh my God, I am shook because my entire 35 years of existence...

I was sort of under the impression that Samira stems from the Arabic word Samra, which means brown skin. It did come up, but it's a successful, celebrated, famous woman, a woman who entertains. I have the chills. I have the chills. So you'll have to check in with your parents and see if they knew that when they named you. For people who don't know you, how would you describe yourself?

I do think I'm sort of a natural born leader. I always have been since I was a kid. Advocacy has always been a part of my life in different forms. So I believe in community. I'm a very community oriented person. I would describe myself as

kind of a citizen of the world. I am so fascinated by cultures, languages, different countries, how people live, just people in general.

The youngest of three sisters, Samira is just 16 months younger than her sister, Sabrina, and they were raised almost like twins. I think because we're close in age, it was easier for us to relate more. We danced, we went to dance school together, we went to singing classes together, Sunday school, and then, you know, we went to the same high school. So we had a very...

close relationship in the sense that we did do a lot together. For context, my parents immigrated to the U.S. from a small country in Asia called Bangladesh, and they moved to New Jersey, which is where I was born and brought up. And in New Jersey, we were very fortunate to have a

a very deep-rooted Bengali community. So these were folks who immigrated to the U.S. like my parents, and their children were born in the U.S. like myself. And to keep our culture alive, they developed this community that to this day is still standing so strong. So part of that included a dance school, a local dance school, a singing school.

This community is where Samaira fell in love with performing, singing, dancing, acting, all of it. Inspired by the Bollywood movies she grew up watching with her family, she dreamed of becoming a star. She even moved to India during high school to study performing arts, displaying an adventurous bravery that would soon prove invaluable.

Despite the success of her budding acting career, Samira decided to prioritize her education and returned home to attend college. What is amazing to me is that you had lived a very international, very full life at such an early age.

And there were no health issues even now looking back at your childhood? Nothing that would have been a red flag? No. I was so healthy. So then take me to when your symptoms began. You were working full-time, living in Boston. When did you begin to notice something wasn't quite right?

So I had taken a break from acting when I went to university and a few years after that. So this was now the spring of 2014 when I was 24. I had oral surgery, very standard. I got four of my impacted wisdom teeth extracted. And then following the procedure, I had an infection, which is

Obviously was uncomfortable, but still, I didn't really think much of it. I went to the doctor. They fixed it with dressing and antibiotics and all of that stuff. So I was not so worried about it. But two weeks after that infection, I randomly lost vision in my right eye. And it started with just like a black little circle.

But then over the next few days just kept expanding and expanding. Now the irony in all of this is that I was working in ophthalmology at the time. Thank God, because I immediately approached some of the doctors that I worked with and I said, "Hey, I can't see out of my right eye." Immediately they're like, "Oh, let's check your corneas." Everything was fine structurally. And then I had something called a visual field test.

And this is where they were able to see that I had lost about 60% of my vision in my right eye. So my field of vision just like kind of closed in. That must have been terrifying.

It's so funny, Lauren. I wasn't afraid at all because I was like, oh, I have an eye issue. I work with nine eye doctors. They all are affiliated with Harvard. I'm going to be okay. They'll figure this out. So I wasn't scared at all. In fact, I wasn't taking it as seriously as maybe I should have.

So there was only so much that they could do in the clinic. So they sent me to the hospital to get an MRI because they were like, they think that this might be something neurologically related.

So that MRI revealed inflammation. Just explain how they gave you the results of that MRI. Yeah, it's so funny. Fourth of July, 2014, I show up to Mass Eye and Ear with my weekend bag. I'm like, all right, I'm going to get this MRI and go to my Fourth of July barbecue. So naive. And I thought I was going to be like in and out, you know, super easy.

And what was supposed to be like a two, three hour appointment turned into 14 hours in the emergency room, having seen specialist after specialist and all of whom are just kind of scratching their heads wondering, why is this young, otherwise healthy woman rapidly losing vision hour by hour? And when I came out of the MRI, I was greeted by a couple of neuro-ophthalmologists who

And they said, Samira, you have lost vision because you have inflammation on the optic nerve in your brain. And my initial reaction was, no, I don't.

Because you just cannot process something like that at such a young age when you're perfectly healthy. Otherwise, somebody's telling you you have inflammation in your brain and you just don't believe it because at 24 years old, you think you're invincible. So I just denied it. I was like, no, that's not mine. You must be mistaken. And they're like, no, no, no. Here it is. Did they throw out ideas as to what could be causing it?

So I was admitted right away into adult neurology and they started loading me up with IV steroids. And I was, of course, complying and all that. But, you know, you have questions. You're like, what is happening? Why am I getting this? And so basically what was explained to me during the onset was that I had an idiopathic case of optic neuritis, which is vision loss due to inflammation, and that my vision would return within three months to a year.

They said, don't worry, you're going to be fine. You do have a 16% chance of developing MS at some point in your life, but it's such a low percentage. We're pretty confident you're going to get your vision back and all will be back to normal. When I got discharged, they said, just take some vitamin D. You're severely vitamin D deficient. So again, at 24, when all the experts around you are not worried and saying you're going to be okay, you're like, okay, fine.

I'm going to be fine. And I moved on with my life, even with vision loss. Believing these troubles would soon pass, Samaira returned to her normal routine, work, family, gatherings, and nights out with friends, until her symptoms quickly resurfaced.

I turned 25 just a couple weeks later, and I maintain to this day, I partied like a rock star as I should have because, you know, 25, golden year. And yeah, just a couple, no, a week after my 25th birthday, I lost vision in both of my eyes. I couldn't feel half of my body. Everything felt like it was on fire. I was also in some pain.

severe nausea. And instead of staying home like a normal person would when they're not feeling well, I felt safer being in my office around all of these doctors. I didn't want to be at home alone with all of this happening.

I was walking or hobbling to my office trying to and luckily it was in a populated area and because I couldn't see I literally walked into a wall bumped my forehead and then I collapsed and I think I did lose consciousness for a few seconds but it was quick because next thing I saw my boss was like hello are you okay and then you know my co-worker was there too and I was just like

I don't think I'm okay. And they knew that because they had been checking in on me almost every few hours. Now imagine, I work with all of these specialists that are at Harvard and Mass General and they have all the pedigrees in the world and they treat, you know, eye problems all day, every day of so many kinds. This was the first time that they saw something like this. So even they were nervous. And seeing the nervousness on my boss's face, that was when I started to take this seriously. ♪

Samira had not yet shared any details with her family about the first episode or the inflammation on her optic nerve. She had kept it all to herself. Now, on the way to the ER, she faced the difficult task of sharing this news with her family, something she had been dreading. I didn't tell my family the first episode because I didn't want to startle anyone. No one seemed to think it was a big deal in the hospital. So I was like, I'm not going to worry people for no reason.

but i was in the ambulance i called my family i said you guys need to come to boston i think something's very wrong at the time i was like very fresh in my career and i got the phone call and it's like a little daunting to get a phone call like hey listen like very nonchalantly and then when she got into it of course more emotionally i honestly didn't know the extent of how

details of an issue it was. None of us knew what it was until you get there and you're there for days on end and that's when it becomes more like okay things are getting more real something's not right.

And within hours, everyone was in Boston. This time I could tell that the hospital also was taking it seriously. Not that they weren't before, but I think they also understood that things have evolved. Things have progressed. This is not what we were dealing with the first time. And so I was taken in right away. Four hours of imaging, 20 vials of blood. I had my first lumbar puncture, which was the worst. And I was started on IV steroids right away.

For people who don't understand, can you just explain what a lumbar puncture is and how it feels? Yes, it's when they extract with a giant needle, cerebral spinal fluid from your spine. And it is, I mean, I have chills talking about it now. I've had it twice in my life. It is one of the most traumatic things I've ever experienced in my life.

So take me to your family going from no knowledge that there's a problem to stat. It's an emergency. Take me to the moment they all are surrounding you. I was on a lot of medications because of how much pain I was in. So the first time I remember seeing them was after my lumbar puncture happened.

I was in my room. I was definitely on morphine. And I woke up from, I guess, whatever, maybe a nap or a medication-induced nap and confused. I could also see the look of fear on my mom's face. And my sister's just kind of trying to understand what was going on.

It's so interesting. I never really talk about this. So if I get worked up, it's because sometimes it's traumatic to think about. But like, I'm the kind of person that it brings me joy to bring joy to people's lives. Making people smile, making them feel good. This is my love language, and it has been since I was a kid. I never want to be the person who is adding stress to somebody's life or making them upset or making them angry or cry. And it was so obvious that...

that my family, after all of what we have been through separately, was now experiencing another trauma or tragedy, and it was because of me. So I felt really guilty. I'm going to cry. That breaks my heart. Yeah, I was, I felt bad because I didn't want to add more stress to my family's lives. We had already been through so much, and

I was thinking about, I had a brother who passed away when he was three weeks old. And he passed before I was born, but I have like this crazy connection to him. And all I could think about was like, I don't want my mom to lose another kid.

Sabrina, seeing your little sister that way in the hospital, what were your greatest fears and concerns at the time? And what was being expressed by the family not in front of Samira? I think the unknown, right? Like not knowing what this was, what treatment she needed, the effects of the treatment, how if it's going to be positive, negative. Like, you know, it was all trial and error.

I think one of the things that happened is my older sister asked the doctor, is she going to be okay? And the doctor had no response. That's when it was like, okay, no response is not a good response. Within a few weeks, Samira went from a healthy 24-year-old enjoying her life to rapidly losing her vision. Inflammation was spreading through her brain as doctors struggled to stabilize her.

What are the doctors telling you at this moment? At that point, it was the first time I had heard the name of my diagnosis. So they told me that I was suspected to have neuromyelitis optica. They don't know why it happens. At the time, there was no approved therapy, so they would have to try different treatments. They told me that there was no cure and that it was very rare.

And I had two questions for them as soon as I heard all of this, which was, am I going to die from this? To which they answered, they don't know. And I asked, did I do something to bring this on to myself? Because I couldn't make sense of why it happened. I want to hug you. That's so much fun.

Neuromyelitis Optica Spectrum Disorder, or NMOSD, is an extremely rare disease. However, Dr. Michael Levy, an assistant professor of neurology at Harvard Medical School and neurologist at Massachusetts General Hospital, specializes in treating it. Now, if you had to, not necessarily in a nutshell, but in layman's terms, could you give me a definition for NMOSD?

There's an immune response against a self-protein called aquaporin-4. Your immune system is not supposed to react to it, but in people with NMO it does. And specifically to the aquaporin-4 protein within the spinal cord and the optic nerve. And when it attacks the optic nerves and the spinal cord, it leads to blindness and paralysis.

As Dr. Levy further explains, NMOSD is most commonly found in women, particularly those of Asian or African ancestry. While its development is not well understood, genetics are believed to play a role. Although

Although Samira tested negative for NMOSD antibodies, her clinical diagnosis was based on her full symptomatic picture and medical history, including the severity and frequency of her flare-ups.

What are some other common symptoms or maybe early indicators that that's the progression? There are a few early indicators. If the immune system attacks the optic nerve, one of the first signs is pain with eye movements. It feels like every time you move your eyes up or down or left or right, it hurts. And so people just want to look straight or just keep their eyes closed.

And then that evolves fairly quickly over hours to days into a gray spot over some part of your vision, usually in one eye, but sometimes both eyes. And then that evolves to near complete vision loss over about a week or two. So that's the typical course for an attack in the optic nerve. If it attacks the spinal cord, the typical progression is either weakness in an arm or a leg or both.

or numbness in the same distribution, and usually pain. Pain feels like a banding, wrapping pain around your abdomen. And then it's also usually associated with bowel and bladder dysfunction, retention. So things don't come out like they should. When I first started working in this space, the average time from onset to diagnosis was over three years.

Now it's under nine months. Wow. So it's not great now, but I would say we've made a lot of progress because we have a blood test. How do you support your patients in managing the anxiety and the depression and the fear that must come with receiving the diagnosis? Well, I'm always honest with people. I tell them that in my clinic, 23% of people are in wheelchairs.

60% are blind in at least one eye who have the aquaporin for antibody. They are. I can't lie to them and say, oh, it'll be okay. And it used to be that 30% of our patient population would die of NMO within five years. That's no longer the case. The mortality has plummeted from 30% to 9%. Room to improve for sure. But I start with those grim figures, but then I tell them the good news about NMO.

Because there is one piece of good news about NMO, which is that if we start treatment and we can prevent future attacks, then they'll never be worse than they are today. Really? Because there's no degenerative disease process going on in the background. Nothing like that. All of the disability is mediated by attacks. So if we could prevent attacks, we can prevent all future problems.

Zamyra was blindsided by all of this, but her immediate concern was the inflammation in her brain. Put on a regimen of treatments to contain it, she now faced the psychological toll as a new part of the balancing act. When I went home from the hospital, and of course everything changed. My dreams, my aspirations, my fears were now different. I was taking medicine now, 18 pills a day. I was getting chemotherapy and

you know, uncertain of what my, even the next six months were going to look like. And so I was in bed rest, just trying to relax and recover and make sense of all of what had happened. And I thought to myself, man, even under these circumstances, I'm still so lucky that

I'm in the United States. I'm in Massachusetts. I'm in Boston, which is like a medical Mecca in this country, in the world. So just tell me what your symptoms, because you get a diagnosis and you're getting treatment, but that doesn't mean it's cured or it's gone. How did your symptoms progress? The vision was very in and out, kind of dependent on the day, the

So I definitely struggled with vision loss almost chronically for the first few years, but also just like feeling nerve pain and burning sensations in my body

to the point where I felt totally debilitated. And for someone who is so expressive with their body, it was really, I felt like I was a prisoner in my own body. I also lost a bit of hearing in my right ear when all of this happened. So that sense was also affected because of all these medications I was on. I couldn't taste food the way I wanted to taste food.

So in a way, all of my senses were affected by this. And to make matters even more complicated, I don't test positive for the antibody that is associated with my disease. 30% of us actually don't test positive. So what that meant for me was, okay, we've got this like working diagnosis, but let's check you for everything else just in case we've missed something.

On top of that, I had relapsed three times in the first six months. So just like in and out of hospitals, getting aggressive treatments and interventions, but also looking for a potential other diagnosis, then becoming sterile from my medications and being told at 25 that you may never be able to have children. So if you want to even consider it, freeze your eggs.

At such a young age, freezing your eggs, it's like, okay, we're being smart about this, you know, before the chemo, before any of the drugs. But like, it's also like, okay, wow. So again, everything was just so confusing.

It was just crazy. I mean, I was going through treatment after treatment for this disease, taking oral medications every day, now harvesting my eggs, feeling so uncomfortable in my body, looking for a diagnosis, relapsing after relapsing. You must have been so exhausted, though, just emotionally, spiritually, physically, mentally, exhausted from the full-time work

of everything you were feeling. Yeah, I was. I basically became a professional patient. I was exhausted, but I didn't have time to think about how exhausted I was. I just kept going and going and going and going. In fact, having free time

made me feel uncomfortable because that's when I had the time to think about what was going on with me and I avoided it like the plague. So I almost made myself busy on purpose to avoid understanding the gravity of what was going on. Sabrina, as her sister, how did you support her in that moment? Because the initial information and description that comes with a diagnosis is not good.

So I'll be quite frank. My whole entire family is very emotional. And I think that just added more stress to her. So it's more like being a support system in the sense like, okay, cry it out and go through your thoughts. But at the same time, you are still here. So you're not in it alone.

Since Samira continued to test negative for NMOSD antibodies, the doctors ran several tests to rule out other potential causes, including a PET scan to check for cancer. I think the darkest moment was in this quest to find out what was going on with me. There was this idea that, "Samira, you might have cancer, actually." And I was like, "Cancer? What do you mean?"

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Samira's battle with this elusive disease led to a rapid decline in her health. She lost over 60% of her vision in both eyes, prompting doctors to discover severe inflammation in her brain, affecting the optic nerve. Constantly in and out of the hospital and feeling like a burden to her family, Samira carried enormous emotional weight. Though her doctor suspected NMOSD, none of the tests were conclusive.

Nearing her breaking point, she desperately hoped the PET scan would come back positive for cancer, which would at least provide a clear way forward. But the results came back negative, sending her right back to square one. And any normal person would be elated by this news. Such a relief. But I collapsed in every which way because I just couldn't believe that this was my life.

Number one, I was praying for cancer. That's unheard of. And number two, I'm now devastated that I don't have cancer because it means that I'm stuck with this horrible diagnosis. And I lost it. I totally lost it. That's when I went to my doctors and I said, enough is enough. I have been through this every day, every hour, awake or asleep for the last eight, nine months. I need a break.

I can't do this anymore. And so I planned a trip to all of the places that make me super happy. You know, I was like, I'm going to go to Dubai. I'm going to go to Bombay where I had these amazing memories from being an actress. I'm going to go to my country, Bangladesh. And I planned it with the blessings of my doctor. They were not happy about it, but they understood that I needed this spiritually, emotionally, psychologically.

When she came up with the idea to go on this healing quest. Yeah. I was so against it. All right. Take me to what her argument was for it and your argument against it. Her argument was, again, it's a healing quest that it was the stress of life that was getting to her. My argument is like, God forbid anything happens.

What are you going to do? And she's like, well, there's doctors out there. But it's like, you have like a specialty doctor that you need. Like, it doesn't make any sense. But she booked it. And then the universe said otherwise. The night before I was supposed to leave for my trip...

I was informed that my white blood cell count was so low because of the chemo that I had been undergoing that if I even caught a cold or got something like diarrhea, like 95% chance I would die. And so they basically said me going would be going against medical advice and that I needed to sign all these papers and they were like begging me not to go.

And so I had to cancel my trip. And on top of that, I had a relapse. So I was, instead of getting on a plane to go to all these places I wanted to go to, I was in a hospital getting treatment. And when I came home, I said, I don't want to live like this anymore. I don't want to live this kind of life anymore. I looked into places that did euthanasia around the world and said,

Before I committed to anything, I thought about my mom and all the loss that she experienced in her life and what this would do to her, what this would do to my sister and people who looked up to me at that point. Desperate for some kind of relief, Samira turned to a spiritual healer in Boston for guidance on navigating the mental toll of her disease.

And he told me something that was so simple but stuck with me. And to this day, I still remember it. He told me that sometimes things have to get so bad before they get better. And I really took that to heart. And the next day...

I was crowned Miss Bangladesh USA 2050. Oh my goodness. You can't make this stuff up. It's so mental. That is incredible. A bit of guidance and then some well-deserved recognition from the virtual competition.

That little boost of optimism and clarity reignited Samira's motivation to continue searching for answers. After testing negative for cancer, she embraced her clinical diagnosis of NMOSD and realized she needed to assemble a team of doctors to help her manage symptoms, including one of the foremost NMOSD experts in the country, Dr. Levy.

Do you remember meeting her initially and where she was in terms of her health path? I met her at a visit when I came to Boston for what's called a patient day, which is where we host 15, 20, 25 people in a small room with just a few speakers on a weekend.

just to get everybody in the same room, get them networking, talking to each other. We give a few lectures, but really the point is to get everyone talking to each other. And he was invited as sort of the guest speaker.

from Hopkins. He was at Hopkins at the time. And of course, I was starstruck. I mean, this is one of the guys in NMOSD. He had done so much in the way of research and clinical care and even support. I met him and I just hugged him. All I said was, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for caring so much about these diseases. He was a hero to me, to all of us. I can speak...

on behalf of every patient in our community, NMOSD and MOGAD, Dr. Levy is our hero. When people introduce themselves as seronegative NMO, there's always a little tinge of my doctor doesn't know exactly what's going on, but now I'm in this tent. I'm under this tent because I have NMO and although I didn't test positive for it, I have nowhere else to go. And you guys are going to help me figure this out. And that's how she presented herself.

as symptoms would arise and they'd be like, okay, let's find somebody who knows how to treat this. And over time, I had a team of quite a few specialists, especially in the beginning years, you know, so that looked like neurologists, neuro-ophthalmologists, urologists, gynecologists, like an IVF fertility specialist, rheumatology, physical therapy, and last but certainly not least, a psychiatrist.

I had to prioritize my mental health. Finally, with a supportive team of specialists, Samaira began testing various immunosuppressive therapies and started biannual maintenance cytoscopies to address her ongoing bladder issues.

Though the process was arduous due to the rarity of her disease, the holistic care eventually paid off. Over the next few years, her eyesight returned and her flare-ups and hospitalizations became less frequent and less severe. She had more energy to restore normalcy and dedicate time to her foundation, which she started during the onset of her NMOSD symptoms.

The Smyre Foundation, also known as TSF, is now 10 years old. We are a global organization, nonprofit organization, dedicated to raising awareness of NMOSD, which is the disease I have, MOGAD, which is an adjacent disease and other rare neuroimmune conditions. We're super passionate about building communities of support for

We fund research, fellowships, journal publications, and of course, advocate on behalf of patients. My favorite part about our organization is that diversity is a big part of us. It's a superpower for us. We are truly patient-led, patient-powered, science-driven, therapy agnostic, and really just trying to do things differently.

So, 10 years in, what is your life like? Beautiful. It's so bright. It's so colorful. It's so amazing. I feel like the luckiest person in the entire world.

I can't believe this is my life sometimes. And it's so interesting because people who have known me forever and ever and ever will say, look, Samaira, you got the life that you ultimately wanted. You know, you get to wear beautiful clothes, travel the world, make people happy, have a platform. I think every successful event that she does where it includes patients is

is great. It's overwhelmingly nice to see because these patients look to her as like she sees us, right? Like how you said Dr. Levy made her feel seen. That's how she makes others feel seen who have this condition. You've changed so many lives because when I think of

You at the age of 25 being told, you better hope it's cancer because cancer has the research and the funding. There's the attention on it. So it's better than this incredibly rare condition. But you've altered that. How much to date have you raised for research?

In the last 10 years, we've raised about $5 million. Wow. A million has gone directly towards research. And a lot of the other funds have gone towards organizing patient days. We've done these now in three different countries, 12 different cities.

Also different patient programming. I'm very passionate about knowledge being a source of power for patients and it being an empowerment tool. So we invest a lot in patient education, webinars, podcasts, patient stories. So yeah.

While NMOSD can often be devastating for patients, the work Samira is leading with the foundation, along with the ongoing research worldwide, gives Dr. Levy optimism about future outcomes for the condition.

If you were to wave a magic wand and you had unlimited funds, where would you put them right now in terms of research and why? I think the most exciting area of research now is to try to, I don't want to put too much emphasis on the C word, cure, but I really do believe that we're at the point scientifically that we can think about how to turn the immune system off.

to this one protein, aquaporin-4. When the disease started, the immune system turned on and was told that aquaporin-4 is bad. And now we have a lot more technology and understanding of how that process started

that we're able to, in mouse models, turn that immune reaction off just to aquaporin-4. Wow. So I think that that's the most exciting area of research. That's where I would put my money. Because you can imagine a patient comes in, right now I tell them, yes, we have great drugs, but you have to be on them for life. We have to suppress your immune system to some degree or another for the rest of your life. But if I could tell them, look, we know what turned your immune system on, and now we have this treatment that's just going to turn it right off again,

and then you don't need to take immune suppressant medications for the rest of your life, that would be really cool. Are you cautiously optimistic that the C word, cure, is on the horizon within your lifetime? Within my lifetime, yes. I wouldn't make promises about five, even ten years, but I think in the future, yes, it's going to be a real thing. And what would you hope people take away from Samira's story?

I think that it's a good story in the sense that it has its trials and tribulations, right? Everything was not peachy and perfect. And that she still pushed through, both personally and professionally.

to get to a place where there's inclusivity and openness about understanding not just her rare disease, but there are so many other rare illnesses and conditions that haven't been spoken about. So it just allowed them to break open a door for people who thought they were lost and had no way of connecting and it gives them that platform.

You really never know how life is going to turn out. And so just keep going, keep going, even when times are so hard, because the other side may be completely different, of course, but it could be so much better than what you imagined or what you wanted for yourself.

And I say this at every patient day I organize that truly we cannot let our diseases and our diagnoses define us or consume us or limit us. There's so many other aspects to our lives than the diseases that we're afflicted with.

and dreams and aspirations may change, but they may actually end up being far greater. Lean in on your community. Lean in on those who love you and who you love. You're never burdening people. I had to learn that for myself. It took so long for me to learn that. But we have to go through things together. This life is too crazy to deal with these things alone.

If you want to learn more about NMOSD, you can visit the Samira Foundation website at samirafoundation.org. And if you know someone who might benefit from the information in this episode, we encourage you to please share it.

My name is Samayra Ahmed. I am the founder and executive director of the Samayra Foundation. And over the last 10 years, I have been living with a rare autoimmune disease called neuromyelitis optica spectrum disorder, also known as NMOSD.

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