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Bon Iver on “SABLE,” His First New Record in Five Years

2024/10/16
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Amanda Petrusich
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David Remnick
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Justin Vernon
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Justin Vernon: 本次新专辑《Sable》的创作源于个人需求，歌曲酝酿已久，三首歌构成一个完整的叙事弧线，从焦虑到内疚再到希望。他认为艺术创作的意义在于分享，艺术推动文化发展，但他也反思了过度关注创作者个人形象的负面影响。他使用艺名Bon Iver，是为了与作品保持距离，但也在视频中展现自我，希望人们关注作品本身，而不是他本人。他认为新歌并非回归过去，而是新的开始，并希望音乐尽可能接近人声，去除多余的修饰。踏板钢吉他对他有特殊意义，代表着与朋友们共同的珍贵回忆。他多年来一直使用“Sable”这个词，但直到创作时才理解其含义，象征着他重复的悲伤循环，并反思是否在刻意寻求悲伤。他认为痛苦是创作的动力，是深入自我的一种方式，并通过歌曲探索自身情感，并反思其中是否存在负面因素。他对语言和标点的灵活运用源于表达的需要，并认为新EP的叙事结构比以往更清晰。他不再依赖迷幻药物，认为它们就像保龄球道的护栏，会让人产生依赖性，但迷幻药物曾帮助他提升同理心和理解力。他相信个人的力量，但更重视音乐本身，而不是个人名气，并认为合作能弥补个人能力的不足，并追求音乐的真实性。他从Taylor Swift身上学到了很多，并称赞她的创作天赋。他不担心创作枯竭，并认为即使创作结束，也能过上美好的生活。他认为与Charli XCX的合作很顺利，并称赞她的创作才华。他在Harris的集会上表演，并分享了当时的情感体验，他们在集会上演奏了Ry Cooder的歌曲《Rally Around the Flag》，并引发了观众的强烈共鸣。他在疫情期间在简易录音棚工作，并认为这是一种宝贵的经验。他认为搬到加州生活是必要的，并结识了新的朋友。他认为步入中年是一个反思和展望未来的阶段，并开始更加关注身心健康，并对未来充满希望。 Amanda Petrusich: 她对Bon Iver歌词的含蓄性很感兴趣，并想了解歌名“Sable”的含义。她认为痛苦是创作的动力，是深入自我的一种方式，创作的过程也是自我认知的过程。她好奇Vernon如何看待迷幻药物在其生活和创作中的作用，并对Vernon的合作精神感到好奇，并引用了他2019年采访中关于权力的说法。她认为人们更关注表演者本身，而不是歌曲创作过程，并认为合作能促使艺术家更加诚实和脆弱。她问及Vernon与Taylor Swift合作的经历以及他从中学到了什么，并问及Vernon在不同录音棚的工作方式是否有所不同。她问及Vernon对步入中年阶段的感受。 David Remnick: Justin Vernon（Bon Iver）在音乐界的地位独特，既是独立创作歌手，也与众多流行巨星合作。

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Amanda Petrusich interviews Justin Vernon, known as Bon Iver, about his new EP, "SABLE," his first release in five years. They discuss Vernon's unique place in music, the personal necessity driving this EP, and the specific grouping of these three songs.
  • "SABLE" is Bon Iver's first new music in five years.
  • The EP consists of three songs, forming a triptych exploring anxiety, guilt, and hope.
  • The songs were written over a period of five years and represent a personal necessity for Vernon.

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Bon Iver is the alias of Justin Vernon, who holds an unusual place in music as both a singer-songwriter in an acoustic idiom and a collaborator with the biggest stars in pop, including Taylor Swift, Charli XCX, and Kanye West. Bon Iver’s new three-song EP, titled “SABLE,” is his first record of his own songs in more than five years. Vernon rarely gives interviews, so this is an extended version of his conversation with the staff writer Amanda Petrusich). They touched on the meaning of “sable,” a word that can refer to mourning and darkness. Vernon is not altogether comfortable with the acclaim he has received. “I’m not, like, famous on the street, *People-*magazine famous, but . . .  there’s been a lot of accolades,” he tells Petrusich. “I was getting a lot of positive feedback for being heartbroken and having heartache and I’ve wondered . . . [if] maybe I’m pressing the bruise.”