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From “On the Media”: David Remnick Talks with Brooke Gladstone About Reporting in Israel

2023/11/8
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Brooke Gladstone:以巴冲突造成了巨大的伤亡,哈马斯袭击引发了以色列的报复行动,双方都遭受了巨大的损失。冲突持续,国际社会存在分歧,以色列拒绝停火。David Remnick的报道试图平衡不同视角,展现冲突的复杂性。 David Remnick:作为记者,我拥有多种身份(美国人、犹太人、记者),这既是优势也是劣势。我试图客观报道,但承认自己可能会失败。要理解以巴冲突需要同时考虑多个事实和视角,单一视角无法反映复杂性。我观看了由手机和GoPro拍摄的冲突影像,认为这是一场有预谋的屠杀,并将其与基希讷乌大屠杀进行比较。以色列和加沙都面临着巨大的安全威胁和伤亡,这两种感受都需要被理解。我的报道受到无法进入加沙的限制。在约旦河西岸,人们对哈马斯袭击的最初反应是欣喜,但随着伤亡情况的披露,这种情绪转变为担忧、悲伤和愤怒。哈马斯不仅仅是一个组织,更是一种意识形态和冲动,消灭哈马斯并不容易。以色列和巴勒斯坦两方都存在极端主义势力,这些势力阻碍了冲突的解决。尽管形势严峻,但仍需保持希望,并吸取过去错失机会的教训。以巴冲突的历史表明,和平进程往往是由重大事件触发的,但也伴随着风险。即使在以色列的国家安全机构内部,也有人呼吁寻求和平解决。David Grossman的经历和观点对于理解以巴冲突具有重要意义。一些美国学生在讨论以巴问题时感到害怕,这反映了该话题的敏感性和复杂性。当今的政治文化倾向于简单化和极端化,这使得解决复杂问题变得更加困难。以巴冲突的共同点是杀戮,双方需要共同寻求解决办法。 Sari Nuseba: 约旦河西岸的民众对哈马斯袭击的最初反应是欣喜若狂,但随着大规模杀戮和暴行的消息传出,他们的情绪转变为担忧、后悔和愤怒。他认为将哈马斯视为异类是错误的,它扎根于民族结构中,其力量取决于其他因素。即使消灭了哈马斯士兵和领导人,新的也会出现,只要问题存在,激进化就会持续。 Yair Golan: 以色列军队中也存在一些人呼吁和平解决,他警告了士兵暴力过激、煽动性言论以及定居者在约旦河西岸的骚扰行为。 David Grossman: 以色列需要在保持自由和人权的同时,加强安全措施,这将是一个漫长而艰难的过程。 Tony Klug: 自1967年以来,每一次和平进步都是由不可预见的重大事件引发的,但这也伴随着风险,例如安瓦尔·萨达特被暗杀。

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David Remnick discusses his reporting trip to Israel following the Hamas attack, detailing the challenges and complexities of reporting on the conflict.

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As Israel marks one month since the deadliest terrorist attack in its history, David Remnick sits down with Brooke Gladstone, the host of the podcast “On the Media,” to talk about reporting on the conflict. He spent a week in Israel as people were reeling from the horrors of October 7th and as the Israeli government was launching an unprecedented campaign against Hamas in Gaza. Remnick details the process behind “The Cities of Killing,” his ten-thousand-word piece for The New Yorker’s magazine. “I’m an American, I’m a Jew, I’m a reporter, and I try to call on those identities, recognize whatever powers I have, but also weaknesses, to tell the story as best I can,” Remnick tells Gladstone. “And, as I say in the beginning of the piece, knowing that it wasn’t just rhetoric, it was confessional almost. Knowing that I would, at least for many readers, fail.”