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Kaitlan Collins Is Not “Nasty”; She’s Just Doing Her Job

2025/3/21
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Claire Malone: 本期节目探讨了在特朗普政府时期，一名年轻记者如何在充满敌意的环境中报道新闻。节目中采访了CNN首席白宫记者凯特琳·柯林斯，她分享了自己在特朗普政府前后报道白宫的经历，以及她如何应对来自特朗普及其政府的压力。柯林斯在采访中谈到了社交媒体对新闻报道的影响，以及她如何保持与消息来源的关系。 她还谈到了白宫记者协会的运作方式，以及白宫如何控制记者的准入。此外，她还分享了自己在与特朗普进行电视直播采访时的经历，以及她如何应对特朗普的批评。 最后，她还谈到了CNN以及线性电视的未来，以及如何在不断变化的媒体环境中保持相关性。 Kaitlan Collins: 我在职业生涯的大部分时间里都经历了特朗普时期媒体环境的狂热。从在《每日来电者》做白宫记者开始，我就一直关注特朗普。在特朗普的第一任期，我去了CNN，现在又回到了白宫。特朗普对CNN以及我个人都非常不满，甚至一度禁止我参加新闻发布会，并称我为“讨厌的人”。 然而，我认为特朗普既寻求媒体的认可，又公开批评媒体。因此，当他对我提出的问题感到生气时，我并不在意。我的工作是提问，而他如何回应是他的权利。 在与白宫新闻秘书的互动中，我专注于提问和坚持，而不是卷入个人争论。社交媒体上的叙事与现实世界存在差异，人们很容易在网上找到支持自己观点的信息。即使是同一事件，人们在社交媒体和新闻报道中看到的也会大相径庭。 白宫控制白宫记者协会，决定哪些记者可以进入白宫，这改变了新闻发布会的运作方式。在直播采访中进行事实核查既有必要，也有挑战。在2023年与特朗普进行的电视直播中，特朗普称我为“讨厌的人”，但我认为提问比个人反应更重要。 新闻媒体在报道特朗普方面已经有所改进，但仍有提升空间。从右翼媒体到CNN的过渡让我感到紧张，但我很快发现CNN的同事更关注我的报道内容本身。在特朗普政府公开敌对媒体的环境下，我通过与消息来源建立个人关系来保持信息来源。 我认为在特朗普将坠机事件归咎于多元化、公平与包容（DEI）时，我及时提出了质疑，这是记者的职责。CNN以及线性电视的未来，以及如何在不断变化的媒体环境中保持相关性，这需要我们适应新的媒体环境。

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Kaitlan Collins discusses her experience as a White House correspondent during Donald Trump's presidency, highlighting the challenges of reporting amidst hostility and the need for strategic handling of press interactions.
  • Kaitlan Collins began her White House reporting career shortly after college at The Daily Caller.
  • She continued her role as a White House correspondent at CNN during Trump's first and second terms.
  • Collins has been barred from press conferences and called 'nasty' by Trump.
  • Journalists face challenges in reporting due to the administration's hostility.
  • Collins emphasizes the importance of not personalizing the confrontations.

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Kaitlan Collins was only a couple years out of college when she became a White House correspondent for Tucker Carlson’s the Daily Caller. Collins stayed in the White House when she went over to CNN during Donald Trump’s first term, and she returned for his second. Trump has made his disdain for CNN clear—and he’s not a big fan of Collins, either. At one point during Trump’s first term, she was barred from a press conference; he called her a “nasty person” during a Presidential campaign interview. There’s never been a White House so overtly hostile to the press than the second Trump Administration, penalizing news organizations) for not conforming to the President’s wishes. But, as Collins tells the staff writer Clare Malone), she believes that Trump is “someone who seeks the validation of the press as much as he criticizes them publicly. And so, you know, it doesn’t really bother me when he gets upset at my question.”