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Preparing For Trump’s Next “Big Lie,” with the Election Lawyer Marc Elias

2024/9/6
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David Remnick：本期节目讨论了特朗普在2020年大选后提出的选举舞弊指控，以及他可能在2024年大选再次采取类似策略的可能性。节目中回顾了2020年大选期间的诉讼以及特朗普团队的策略，并分析了这些策略在2024年可能造成的潜在影响。Remnick还指出了特朗普及其支持者对选举官员施压和恐吓的现象，以及这种行为对选举公正性的威胁。 Marc Elias：Elias作为一名资深选举律师，分享了他对2024年大选的担忧。他指出，与2020年相比，特朗普团队的法律策略将更加精明和绝望，因为特朗普面临多项刑事指控，他认为赢得白宫是获得个人自由的关键。Elias还详细介绍了共和党在过去几年中采取的各种策略，例如清除合格的选举官员，用否认选举结果的人员取而代之；提起诉讼，试图破坏投票流程并限制投票便利性；以及发起大规模选民挑战等。他认为，这些策略对选举系统造成了巨大的压力，并可能导致2024年大选出现更多选民的投票权受到挑战。Elias还强调，特朗普可能会在选举日之前或之后宣布获胜，共和党会立即声称计票存在欺诈行为，这将对选举结果的接受度造成严重影响。 Marc Elias：Elias还表达了他对2024年大选后可能出现暴力事件的担忧，并指出共和党对民主的态度发生了显著转变。他认为，虽然特朗普可能会输掉选举，但这并不意味着不会出现混乱，因为特朗普很可能不会像以往的候选人那样优雅地承认失败。他回顾了以往民主党候选人接受选举结果的传统，并指出特朗普打破了这一传统。

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Marc Elias, a prominent election lawyer who spearheaded the Democratic wins in most of Trump's 2020 election lawsuits, expresses deep concern about the 2024 election. He points out that while Trump's legal team was disorganized in 2020, they are now more competent and Trump himself is more desperate due to facing multiple criminal indictments. A key concern is the replacement of experienced election officials with election deniers in several swing states.
  • Trump's legal team is more competent now than in 2020.
  • Trump faces four criminal indictments, increasing his desperation.
  • Election-denying officials are now in power in several swing states.

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Of the sixty-five lawsuits that Donald Trump’s team filed in the 2020 election, Democrats won sixty-four—with the attorney Marc Elias spearheading the majority.  Elias was so successful that Steve Bannon speaks of him with admiration.  

Now Marc Elias is working for Vice-President Kamala Harris’s campaign, and, despite his past victories, Elias says that 2024 is keeping him up at night.  The bizarre antics and conspiracy theories of Rudy Giuliani are a thing of the past, Elias tells David Remnick: “We should all expect that they are more competent than they were before. And also Donald Trump is more desperate than he was before. … He faces the prospect of four criminal indictments, two of which are in federal court.” Election-denying officials are now in power in many swing states; Trump has publicly praised his allies on state election boards.  Elias fears the assault on the democratic process could be much more effective this time.  Still, some things don’t change. “I believe Donald Trump is going to say after Election Day in 2024 that he won all fifty states—that there’s no state he didn’t win,” Elias says. “That is just the pathology that is Donald Trump.”