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Representative Ro Khanna on Elon Musk and the Tech Oligarchy

2025/1/10
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Ro Khanna: 我认为民主党必须重新赢得经济困难选民的信任,因为他们对被全球化和自动化抛弃感到愤怒和沮丧。民主党未能与他们的痛苦感同身受。我们需要反思过去50年里忽视了被全球化和自动化抛弃的人群。我们需要一个更全面的经济愿景,既要关注创新和技术,又要关注政府在解决不平等问题中的作用。我相信,通过结合经济活力和社会保障措施,我们可以形成一个更广泛的多数派联盟。我自称进步资本家,而不是民主社会主义者,因为我认为需要动员积极分子,利用创新和技术促进经济增长,同时也要关注政府在医疗保健和教育方面的投资。我和桑德斯在提高亿万富翁税收、全民医保、免费公立大学等问题上达成一致,但在如何创造就业机会上存在分歧。我认为,商业领袖和技术专家应该参与到重建国家工业和创造就业的努力中来,而桑德斯可能会对此持怀疑态度。 在与科技巨头交流的过程中,我发现一些人抱有一种危险的意识形态,他们拒绝政府干预,认为自己是尼采笔下的超人,蔑视社会规范。这种意识形态比单纯的贪腐更危险。我们需要论证政府在解决不平等问题中的作用,并让这些科技巨头认识到政府在他们成功中所扮演的角色。 我对超级富豪在选举中花钱扭曲了美国民主感到担忧,并且认为民主党需要真正致力于减少政治中的巨额资金影响。马斯克在推特上批评我反对了一项实际上会扩大暴力和不当行为定义的法案,这体现了信息战的不对称性。我们需要更好地向民众传达我们的经济愿景,不能在经济问题上被特朗普超越。 我对特朗普政府可能对无证移民造成的损害感到担忧,也担心特朗普政府可能会利用其对经济的操控来误导民众。我们需要在经济政策上与特朗普形成鲜明对比,强调我们对提高最低工资、提供医疗保健和解决经济不平等问题的承诺。 David Remnick: 作为一名记者,我关注的是科技寡头政治对美国政治的影响,以及民主党如何应对这一挑战。

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Why does Representative Ro Khanna believe tech moguls like Elon Musk are forming a dangerous oligarchy?

Khanna argues that tech moguls, including Elon Musk, are forming a dangerous oligarchy by rejecting the role of the state and flouting societal norms. He believes this ideology is more harmful than mere corporate greed, as it undermines democratic institutions and exacerbates wealth inequality. Khanna highlights that state investments, such as Obama-era grants, enabled companies like Tesla and SpaceX, yet these tech leaders fail to acknowledge the state's role in their success.

What is Ro Khanna's critique of Elon Musk's influence in politics?

Khanna criticizes Elon Musk for his lack of financial disclosure requirements and his disproportionate influence on political discourse through social media. He points out that Musk's tweets can reach millions, often spreading misinformation, while factual rebuttals receive far less attention. Khanna also warns against Musk's self-perception as a 'Superman' figure who believes he can solve global political issues, despite lacking expertise in governance.

How does Ro Khanna view the relationship between Donald Trump and Elon Musk?

Khanna sees Elon Musk as a key figure in Donald Trump's political strategy, describing Musk as the 'second most influential person' in Trump's orbit. He believes Trump is drawn to Musk because Musk represents the future and innovation, contrasting with Trump's 1980s-style wealth. Khanna warns that this alliance could harm vulnerable populations and further entrench wealth and power disparities.

What are Ro Khanna's fears about a second Trump administration?

Khanna fears that a second Trump administration could lead to politically motivated investigations targeting Democrats, degrading political discourse, and undermining democratic norms. He is particularly concerned about the treatment of undocumented immigrants, citing the story of a dental hygienist who has lived in the U.S. for 25 years but remains underpaid and vulnerable to deportation.

How does Ro Khanna differentiate himself from Bernie Sanders politically?

While Khanna aligns with Bernie Sanders on issues like Medicare for All and free public college, he identifies as a 'progressive capitalist' rather than a democratic socialist. Khanna emphasizes the importance of involving business leaders and technologists in economic growth and job creation, which he believes Sanders would view with suspicion. He advocates for a combination of progressive policies and private-sector innovation to build prosperity.

What is Ro Khanna's vision for the Democratic Party's economic strategy?

Khanna envisions a Democratic Party that rebuilds trust with deindustrialized communities by focusing on economic growth, innovation, and job creation. He supports higher taxes on billionaires, Medicare for All, and free public college but also stresses the need for a production agenda that includes advanced manufacturing, tech credentialing, and vocational education. He believes this approach can create a majoritarian coalition for the country.

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Representative Ro Khanna discusses the need for Democrats to regain the trust of economically struggling voters. He points to the growing wealth disparity in Silicon Valley and the Democratic Party's failure to address the anger and frustration of those left behind by globalization and automation.
  • Democrats need to regain the trust of economically struggling voters
  • Growing wealth disparity in Silicon Valley
  • Democratic Party's failure to address the anger and frustration of those left behind

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