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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and the Confounding Politics of Junk Food. Plus, Kelefa Sanneh on the Long Influence of Kraftwerk

2025/5/2
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David Remnick: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 的"让美国再次健康" 倡议将自由派议题与政治联系起来,令人困惑。他在卫生和公众服务部任职期间削减了科研经费,并损害了公众对疫苗的信任,但他同时关注超加工食品和慢性病问题,这与他老板对快餐的喜爱形成对比。 Marion Nestle: 特朗普提名 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 并关注食品工业体系让我感到意外和兴奋,但我同时也质疑这是否只是重复之前的努力。要改善食品供应,他必须挑战食品行业,限制其对儿童的垃圾食品营销。我对 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 是否会真正挑战食品行业表示怀疑,因为之前 Michelle Obama 的类似尝试就遭到了强烈反对。 Dhruv Khullar: 超加工食品的概念由巴西公共卫生教授 Carlos Monteiro 于 2009 年提出,并将其分为四类。一项临床试验表明,食用超加工食品的人每天会摄入更多卡路里,并导致体重增加。超加工食品导致人们摄入过多卡路里的原因可能是其极高的适口性和高卡路里密度。超加工食品可能通过改变肠道菌群、内分泌系统和味蕾来影响人体健康。

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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., the Secretary of Health and Human Services, has been undermining public trust in vaccines and overseeing crippling cuts to research across American science. And yet his “make America healthy again” highlights themes more familiar in liberal circles: toxins in the environment, biodiversity, healthy eating. Kennedy has put junk food at the center of the political conversation, speaking about ultra-processed foods and their established links to chronic disease—despite President Donald Trump’s well-known reverence for fast food of all kinds. Marion Nestle, a leading nutrition researcher and the author of “Food Politics),” has written in depth on how money and politics affect our diet and our health, and about the ways that American science research has been hampered by limited funding. She tells the physician and contributing writer Dhruv Khullar), who’s been reporting) on the American diet, that “it would be wonderful if R.F.K., Jr., could make the food supply healthier. I just think that in order to do that, he’s going to have to take on the food industry, and I don’t think Trump has a history of taking on corporations of any kind. . . . I’ll believe it when I see it.” 

Kraftwerk—the pioneering electronic music group that débuted more than half a century ago —has been touring the U.S., with stops planned in Europe this year. The staff writer Kelefa Sanneh) calls them one of the most influential bands of all time, playing a formative role in hip-hop, techno, EDM, and much of popular music as we know it. Sanneh picks tracks from Kraftswerk’s repertoire and demonstrates how those sounds trickle out through music history, from Afrika Bambaataa to Coldplay.