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The A.C.L.U. v. Trump 2.0

2025/2/14
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Anthony Romero: 我认为我们可能正处于宪法危机的边缘。如果特朗普政府公然违抗司法命令，那我们就越过了卢比孔河。总统无权改写国会的拨款。法官是宪法防线的最前线。我最担心的是出生公民权问题，试图废除出生公民权既是对宪法核心原则的颠覆，也是对法律规定的无视。我对出生公民权案的胜诉充满信心，因为我认为废除出生公民权太过分了。我认为最高法院的大多数法官会维护其合法性，不会支持废除出生公民权。围绕国会拨款的诉讼可能引发宪法危机。我们必须穷尽所有补救措施，包括罚款和监禁公然违抗司法命令的人。必须对公然违抗司法命令的联邦机构负责人和总统采取行动。我们需要争取那些原本支持特朗普的人，让他们意识到公然违抗法庭命令是不能接受的。如果一切努力都失败，我们将不得不采取更激烈的街头行动，让整个国家停摆。我们需要企业领导者的支持，因为法治是保护企业利益和经济运行的基础。如果总统公然无视最高法院的最终判决，我们将能够动员更多人参与到行动中来。各州州长和检察长可以利用州法律设置路障，阻止联邦政府的侵权行为。州长们可以颁布保护跨性别儿童和个人的盾牌法。特朗普利用恐吓手段攻击跨性别群体。我们对性别确认医疗保健的立场是，必须始终在父母的参与下进行。我最担心的是政府干预个人言论自由。我们不赞成社交媒体平台取消特朗普的平台。人们有言论自由的权利，但没有阻止他人表达观点的权利。我们最大的胜利是阻止了家庭分离政策。我们还在人口普查中阻止了他们将无证移民排除在外的企图。我们最大的失败是未能阻止边境墙的建设。我认为民主党人面临着更艰巨的任务，因为他们试图弄清楚如何应对特朗普在文化战争问题上的挑战。我相信正义终将到来，就像911事件后一样，我们必须抓住时机，建立公众 momentum。我们必须明智地进行这场斗争，选择我们的战场，并与其他盟友合作。我们最终会实现目标，如果我们像水滴石穿一样坚持下去。捍卫宪法和法治需要长期坚持，我们必须为未来的战斗做好准备。

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Anthony Romero, ACLU executive director, discusses the potential for a constitutional crisis under the second Trump administration, highlighting the risk of flagrant defiance of judicial orders. He emphasizes the role of judges as the front line of defense against this threat and expresses concern over several key issues.
  • Potential constitutional crisis due to flagrant abuse of judicial power
  • Concerns over defiance of judicial orders regarding various issues
  • Judges are the front line of defense
  • Shift in conservative power in the Supreme Court

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In Donald Trump’s first term in office, the American Civil Liberties Union filed four hundred and thirty-four lawsuits against the Administration. Since Trump’s second Inauguration, the A.C.L.U. has filed cases to block executive orders ending birthright citizenship, defunding gender-affirming health care, and more. If the Administration defies a judge’s order to fully reinstate government funds frozen by executive order, Anthony Romero, the A.C.L.U.’s executive director, says, we will have arrived at a constitutional crisis. “We’re at the Rubicon,” Romero says. “Whether we’ve crossed it remains to be seen.” Romero has held the job since 2001—he started just days before September 11, 2001—and has done the job under four Presidents. He tells David Remnick that it’s nothing new for Presidents to chafe at judicial obstacles to implement their agendas; Romero mentions Bill Clinton’s attempts to strip courts of certain powers as notably aggressive. But, “if Trump decides to flagrantly defy a judicial order, then I think . . .  we’ve got to take to the streets in a different way. We’ve got to shut down this country.”