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The Bipartisan Effort to Rein in Presidential Military Power

2023/4/25
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David Remnick: 本期节目讨论了911事件后国会通过的《授权使用军事力量》(AUMF)决议,该决议赋予总统在未经国会批准的情况下发动战争的权力,并最终导致了伊拉克战争以及美国军队在全球的部署。时隔20多年,两党议员正努力收回总统的军事行动自主权。 Barbara Lee: Barbara Lee回忆了她2001年对AUMF投下的唯一反对票,她认为这项决议过于宽泛,如同空白支票,最终导致了伊拉克战争的灾难性后果,造成了巨大的伤亡和经济损失。她强调,在做出如此重大的决定时,必须谨慎思考其影响。 Tim Kaine: Tim Kaine认为,20年的战争教训表明,AUMF赋予总统的权力过大,需要废除。他同时指出,伊拉克战争的经验也证明,美国可以将敌人转化为伙伴,这应被视为积极的一面。他强调,继续保留针对伊拉克的战争授权是具有冒犯性、侮辱性和危险性的。 Todd Young: Todd Young表示,伊拉克战争是一场错误的战争,其代价巨大,并且在与中国的战略竞争时代,美国不能再犯类似的错误。他认为,废除2002年AUMF能够向伊拉克人民和政府表达团结,并增强对抗伊朗等威胁的力量。 David Remnick: 本节目还讨论了乌克兰战争的政治影响,以及它与AUMF废除之间可能存在的关联。虽然存在一些反对意见,但国会对支持乌克兰的意愿依然强劲,并且与AUMF的废除问题是分开的。即使特朗普是总统,参议院对废除2002年AUMF的支持也不会显著改变,因为这项举措得到了广泛民意支持,并且与特朗普竞选时提出的结束“永久战争”的承诺相符。

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Barbara Lee reflects on her historic dissenting vote against the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), highlighting the emotional and moral considerations that led to her decision.

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Just three days after 9/11, Congress authorized a major expansion of executive power: the President could now wage war against terrorism without prior approval. The resolution was called the Authorization for Use of Military Force, and it passed almost unanimously. Its reauthorization, in 2002, brought our country to war with Iraq, and has been used to deploy American forces all over the world. More than twenty years later, the mood in the country has changed dramatically, and lawmakers in both parties are pushing to roll back the President’s discretion to use force. A bill to revoke the A.U.M.F. passed the Senate 66–30 a few weeks ago, and it is expected to pass the House as well. David Remnick talks with the senators who led that effort—Tim Kaine, a Virginia Democrat, and Todd Young, a Republican from Indiana—and with Representative Barbara Lee of California, who, in 2001, cast the sole dissenting vote in all of Congress.  

Plus, David Remnick remembers the beloved cartoonist Ed Koren, a fixture of the magazine for more than half a century.