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The New York Times’ Publisher on the Future of Journalism, and the Poet Paul Tran

2023/6/9
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David Remnick:新闻记者的责任是独立追寻真相,并试图用事实、背景和理解来武装公众,使这个巨大的、多元化的民主社会能够团结起来进行自我治理。他认为,许多最强的论点都主张新闻记者应该推动特定的事业、政党或意识形态,这与《纽约时报》的传统观点相悖。 A.G. Sulzberger:他同意Remnick的观点,并认为《纽约时报》的传统观点是新闻记者应该独立追寻真相。他认为,这一观点需要被明确阐述,因为现在许多人都在质疑新闻记者的角色。他以乌克兰战争为例,说明即使报道可能会招致批评,记者也应该报道真相。他认为,《纽约时报》的目标是服务于真相和知情的公众,而不是特定的事业,即使是像捍卫民主这样的崇高事业。他承认,《纽约时报》的员工构成并不具有代表性,但这并不意味着他们应该放弃独立性。他认为,新闻记者的独立性并非指没有个人经历和观点,而是指将事实置于任何个人议程之上。他认为,公众对新闻机构的信任度下降,这与前总统特朗普的言论、社交媒体平台以及新闻业自身的问题有关。他认为,新闻业自身也存在成为回音室的问题,这与当地新闻的衰落和数字媒体的兴起有关。他认为,高质量新闻的成本很高,不应该免费提供。他认为,信息不平等的问题主要在于地方新闻的衰落,而非高质量新闻机构的成功。他认为,《纽约时报》发表汤姆·科顿的专栏文章事件,突显了新闻原则、流程和执行的重要性。他认为,新闻的独立性原则不仅要坚持,更要注重流程和执行。他认为,《纽约时报》的观点版块应该包含来自政治光谱各个方面的观点,但不会发表那些故意歪曲事实的观点。他认为,《纽约时报》对跨性别议题的报道并非反跨性别,而是反映了社会现实和医学界的讨论。他认为,社会需要独立的行动者和记者,真相并非掌握在任何个人手中。他认为,在高度政治化和两极分化的时代,社会是否受益于每个人都公开宣示自己的政治立场是一个值得思考的问题。

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A.G. Sulzberger discusses the challenges to traditional journalistic independence and the importance of maintaining an open and skeptical mind in pursuit of truth.

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Over the past several years, as more democratic institutions and norms have come under attack, many journalists have raised the question of whether it is ethical to adhere to journalism’s traditional principles of non-bias, objectivity, and political neutrality. In May, A. G. Sulzberger, the publisher of the New York Times, staked out his position in the traditionalist camp in an essay) for the Columbia Journalism Review. “The traditionalists in the ranks have long believed that their long-standing view speaks for itself. I became increasingly convinced that the argument doesn’t make itself,” he tells David Remnick. Sulzberger shies away from the term objectivity, instead describing the “posture of independence” as one that prizes “an open mind, a skeptical mind,” and a clear-eyed pursuit of truth––even if it leads to uncomfortable conclusions. Sulzberger, whose family has owned the paper since 1896, says he wants to push back on a culture of “certitude” in journalism. “In this hyper-politicized, hyper-polarized moment, is society benefiting from every single player getting deeper and deeper, and louder and louder, about declaring their personal allegiances and loyalties and preferences?” he asks.

Plus, this week’s issue of The New Yorker features a new poem by Paul Tran, a young writer whose début collection was named one of the best books of 2022. The poem, “The Three Graces,” takes its name from a rock formation near Colorado Springs. “I was curious: what would these three rocks have to say about the nature of love,” Tran tells the producer Jeffrey Masters. Tran’s poetry explores their personal history—their family immigrated to the United States from Vietnam—as well as their trans identity.