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Werner Herzog Defends His “Ecstatic” Approach to the Truth

2023/10/13
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David Remnick:采访了Werner Herzog,探讨了他的新回忆录《人人为自己,上帝反对所有人》以及他对讲真话的非常规方法,并着重讨论了他对“狂喜的真理”的理解。采访涵盖了他职业生涯的回顾,以及他对自我形象的调侃和利用。 Werner Herzog:他回顾了自己11岁时第一次看电影的经历,以及他对电影叙事的理解。他认为自己既是电影制作人,也是作家,他的写作可能比他的电影更长寿。他认为过度自我反省和关注个人形象是不健康的,并表示自己宁愿死也不愿接受心理治疗。他善于利用自我调侃来发挥自己的优势,并在电影《Jack Reacher》中扮演反派角色,并认为自己胜任这个角色。他直到最近才知道《辛普森一家》和《星球大战》系列电影,并表示自己更喜欢阅读而不是看电影。他提出了“狂喜的真理”的概念,认为这是一种不同于单纯事实的接近真理的方法。他认为事实本身并不能阐明真相,需要通过艺术化的表达来接近真理。他认为他的方法超越了事实,通过风格化和诗意化的表达来接近真理。他不区分剧情片和纪录片,认为两者都是电影,即使在纪录片制作中,他也进行选角、排练和场景调整。他引用安德烈·纪德的话来解释他对事实的处理方式。他反驳了《纽约时报》评论家对他的回忆录的评价,并强调了他回忆录中描述的事件的真实性。他会在回忆录中对某些记忆的准确性提出质疑。他讲述了电影《愤怒的上帝》的不同结局版本,并反思了人生中未曾选择的道路。他对人生中遇到的挑战和经历表示接受。 David Remnick: This interview explores Werner Herzog's unconventional approach to truth-telling, focusing on his concept of 'ecstatic truth' and his new memoir. The conversation covers his career, his self-deprecating humor, and his unique perspective on filmmaking and writing.

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Werner Herzog reflects on his first film experience at age 11, which was unimpressive but sparked his interest in cinema, leading him to question how films are made and narrated.

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The renowned German filmmaker Werner Herzog has become known for many things: his notoriously ambitious film productions like “Fitzcarraldo” and “Aguirre, The Wrath of God”; his expansive documentaries; and his mellifluous voice, which he has used to great effect lately as an actor in productions like “Jack Reacher'' and “The Mandalorian.” But, according to Herzog himself, his fabulist work as his own biographer deserves just as much praise. “That’s my approach, that is beyond outside of facts,” Herzog tells David Remnick. “And it requires stylizations, it requires somehow shaping, creating something like poetry, a sense of poetry, that gives us an approach into truth.” In a wide-ranging conversation, the eighty-one-year-old Herzog looks back on his career, his newfound success embracing the “self irony” of his persona (“I had to spread terror . . . I knew I would be good at it,” he deadpans about his “Reacher” role), and why he never watched a “Star Wars” film until recently. “I am somebody who reads, there is not a day where I do not read,” the prolific Herzog says. “I love what I do. I think I made—in the last two years—two books, three films, and I’m working on a new feature film, and I’m publishing a new book next year.”