20/20 Vision | "The 20's" (S2E6) with special guest Zoe Hay
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On today's episode of That Was Us, we'll be discussing Season 2, Episode 6, The Twenties. Jack and Rebecca find themselves struggling after taking ten-year-olds trick-or-treating. Meanwhile, Randall, Kevin, and Kate experience a life-changing Halloween.

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- Hello gang. - Hello. - Hello. - How are we doing today? - Happy Halloween. - Welcome back to the That Was Us podcast. Don't forget to rate, subscribe, like, give us all the five star ratings, tell all your friends, support our sponsors so we can keep doing this podcast. - So we can keep it moving forward. We're talking about the '20s and it took me a second to realize, like at first I was like, why is this episode called the '20s? - Not the 1920s. - Are we going back to the roaring?

But it's sort of talking about the big three when they are in their 20s. Yes. Formative years. Before we get to the 20s, we're going to go back to the past and it's Hallow's Eve. Yes. Kids are all getting ready to go trick-or-treating. We see Randall coming up with a detailed map

of how they should sort of chart out the houses that they go to so they can maximize their candy before going to the haunted house. All of their personalities are coming out in full force through the art of costume. Right. Kev's like, this is dumb, right? Oh, Kev's got the cigar. He is a cigar-smoking bum for like the third year in a row. Yeah.

Which is a weird foreshadowing. Rebecca is sewing Halloween costumes. Right? Kate switches it up. She now wants to be Sandy from Grease. That's right. She didn't want to be a vet anymore. And it turns out that there's a story there. There's also sort of like Kev says to Randall, we don't have to make a map, bro. Like we know the neighborhood. We're not going to get lost. He's like, I'm just trying to maximize our candy so we can get all this stuff. Right?

- I always shout out to Milo Ventimiglia and the charm. - For the moonwalk? - Oh. - The absolute, well, yes. - Yeah, the moonwalk at the end of the scene. I was like, oh, okay. - This whole episode's gonna be about Milo Ventimiglia moonwalking, probably in boots. - I truly enjoy seeing Goofy Jack entertain his kids. - Yes, yes. - Because he leans into it with such zest and zeal. And it's just like, I forgot, Milo is capable of true goofiness. - Yes. - And it's a delight. - It is delightful. - It is a true delight, the moonwalk and everything else.

Ultimately what winds up happening is that Randall wants to do one thing one way. The other kids want to do something else. They wound up taking a vote. They get outnumbered, but Rebecca had already promised Randall that they could follow the map. Yeah. Right. And before they head out, they've, they have a, a, a marital marital conversation about the way that Rebecca treats Kate.

How Rebecca treats Randall and how Jack treats Kate. Yeah. Right? They both get called out. They're both calling each other out about essentially coddling in their different ways and catering to that child, leaving Kevin the cigar-smoking, lonely bum. Outlier. Which I also say is very important in terms of Kev's development. Yep. Even hearkening back to season one in the pool, it's like, is anybody seeing him drowning?

- I am drowning. - Is anyone watching me? - And that's Kevin's core wound. I'm drowning over here. I am in pain. Does anybody notice? - No one's watching? Does anyone hear me? - Nobody notices. - So okay, we're tracking that forward. So they go out, Rebecca goes with Randall, Jack goes with the other two.

We find out that Kate has a crush on this guy. Billy maybe? But she has a crush on this guy and she wants to go to the haunted house quickly because maybe if they get scared, he'll hold her hand. He'll hold her hand, yeah. So Kev winds up giving this information to Jack and he goes, "Is it not gonna happen?" He's like, "He's almost as popular as me, Dad. Like, it's not gonna happen. Can I just go get some candy? Like, let me just do my thing. You guys can worry about all this other crap, right?" And he's like, "Okay."

So anyway, we get to the haunted house. We see there is a scare. We see my man grab her hand and it's pure joy from young Kate. He grabbed my hand. I got to go tell so-and-so and Jack is all happy. Turn to see Kev emptying his bag of candy into old boy's bag, right? Jack comes over and says, dude, did you just give him candy so he would hold your sister's hand? He's like, I can always get more candy, dad.

just as simple as, now can I keep it moving? He's like, this was an easy thing to do for my sister. Easy transaction, yeah. Nobody has to know about it. I just need to go get some more candy. Like he's like the self-sufficient, he's the dude who's like, I'll take care of myself because everybody else seems to have other things to do, right?

Let's go back in time a little bit to Rebecca. Rebecca offers the idea of like, you know what, instead of going to the map, let's go to this other house real quick. - It's right here. - Line is real short. We pop in, pop out and you see my man almost sort of like short circuit. - Short circuit. - Yeah. - Right? And she talks about the ability to improv.

and how you don't have to stay so rigid. Because I think Jack called him rigid earlier, and she says he's anxious. I think you've differentiated in that specific way. But now as you're seeing it, it's like, hey, man, we can take steps out of our comfort zone too, so it's not always this way. And luckily you had that lovely little conversation with him on the steps, and I don't know when it happened, but they got him out.

out of that Michael Jackson wig. - They did. - Before the conversation. And I was like, "That's so good that they did that so that you weren't sitting there talking to a little Michael Jackson about being too rigid." - So they finish off at that house. And what is that happens? Like you could tell like something's not quite- - They reveal, yeah, they reveal to Randall essentially

He asks a question. They're the first adults to talk to him about the fact that he's adopted. Correct. And it's not even the adoption. It is the fact that there was a third child. Yes. I think for him, it was always just the twins. Well, it's both, right? Is it both? Yeah, because you guys haven't really...

You say to him later, this is not something we were keeping from you. We were just going to talk to you about it later. Yeah, but I think it is more specifically. I mean, he obviously knows that he's adopted. Right, obviously. But I think it's more specifically that there was another child. Got it. Okay, okay. Kyle, we lost him. Did you and dad lose the baby and just couldn't find it? And you said, we didn't lose him. He didn't live.

And you are the way it always was supposed to be, is something that you say. And then he asked what his name was. Kyle. And then you tell him Kyle. He said, Kyle probably looked like you and daddy. And them, nobody looks like me. Right? Yeah. And so it also sort of makes me wonder too, because I wasn't clear on this, whether or not

he heard that from them that night or it's something he'd heard from that family before and that's why he didn't want to go to that house that's how i took it that's how you took it yes that's also kind of how i took it so it wasn't just him being yeah he's like i don't want to go part of part of his plan is not just where he wants to go exactly what he was avoiding yeah yeah yeah because even when like he goes to the pool in the past he's like i

I picked this pool 'cause I know black people are here. - Yes. - And he's like, I don't have to tell everybody all the parts of the plan. I just know that the plan is for a reason. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's how I always took it. I was like, there's more to Randall. - Yeah.

Yes, maybe he is a little rigid. Maybe he is a little anxious and stuff. But he has a reason. He has an understanding that maybe mom and dad don't necessarily see, but we see as the audience. That's how I've always sort of perceived it. Okay. So we're on the same boat then because it wasn't just that night then. Yeah. Okay. So now we can go. I mean, this essentially sets the tone for...

who these children will be in their 20s. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, Jack so much as says to Rebecca before the kids go out trick-or-treating, or Rebecca does, like, you're not preparing her for life. Like, if you're constantly sort of giving in to her, she's gonna take that pattern with her for the rest of her life. And the mirroring of it, you know, Kate ends up investing in a guy who is not...

truly available or interested in her. Kevin ends up being a cigar smoking bum.

Pulling a real dirtbag move. On his own friend? Yeah, let's get into who these folks were in their 20s. And the rigidness of Randall's personality has led him to what we've heard about before. We heard about in episode 102. And now we find ourselves a couple of months after. Removed from a breakdown. His big breakdown where he went blind. Okay, let's do Kate first. Let's go to Kate. Let's do Kate first.

So Kate is waitressing. She's doing night school. And she's banging. I mean, she has bangs. She has some cute, blunt bangs. Banging with bangs. When we have Chrissy on the show, we should be asking about the bangs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Banging with bangs. Coming with hard fringe. She's...

I think they would, someone would say. I think someone would say that. She's got a sort of regular customer that comes in and whatnot. And there's a flirtation. There's a flirtation that transpires between the two of them. She's trying to figure out what he's doing for his night. He's like, I'm going to go to his bar, hang out, da, da, da. And so she had something else that she was going to do. She's in college. She's in night school. Classes got canceled or something. So she winds up going to his bar.

And he sees her, they see each other, make eyes, whatnot. His friends are with him, et cetera. And she's like, "Yeah, I was wondering if you want to buy me a drink or whatnot?" And he's like, "You know what? Why don't we get out of here?" And she's like, "Oh, okay." - I know what that means. - Okay. So they get out of there and they go to her place. - Banging with bangs. - And they, you know, post-coital we see, you know. - That's a nice way to say it. - Thank you. You know, they had a good time with each other doing what adults do.

And she sort of... You don't want to say banging with bangs? You just said it. You don't want to say it? I have to repeat it. Okay. Banging with bangs. Mandy, do you want to... Banging with bangs. Oh, Mandy. All right, clip that. Hot take. And so a sister is not stupid. You know, she understands what's going on. Like, you know, as soon as you saw other people see me, you knew to get me out of there because you're married, right? And he's like...

Yeah. And she's like, if you knew, then why'd you do it? And she's just like, I'm just kind of tired of waiting for stuff, you know? And I know it wasn't necessarily the best thing to do or whatnot, but like, I feel like I've spent so much time waiting for my life to take place that I just wanted to do. Right? It's the perfect mirror of what we saw earlier about a young girl who maybe puts too much

I don't know, of herself in someone else's hands. Sure. Yeah. And too much stock maybe in like men, a romantic relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Her father. Yeah. Yeah. A romantic partner. That kind of value. Her brother. Yeah. Getting self-worth externally. Right. From someone else. Yes. Okay, Kev. What?

- Roy, does that where we end Kate's? Is it just sort of end with her? - Pretty much. - Yeah, she gets the news about baby Tess being born later in the episode. - Right, everybody gets the news. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay, so Kev. - Cut to Kevin washing hair. - Is a shampoo artist? Is this a thing? - He's a shampoo artist. - Is there just a shampoo person in a salon? - Well, yeah, he's probably someone's assistant. And so he's shampooing, he's at the shampoo bowl regaling a customer with- - Ooh, with all the trials and tribulations. - Of being a- - Exciting.

quote unquote working actor trying to be a working actor. - So this lady has to tell him to shut up. - She's like, "Kevin, Kevin." - Just shut up. - Is that too hard? He's like, "That's too much whining, bro. "Wash my hair." Be cute and be quiet, right? - What I wouldn't give to have hair to wash.

Sorry. What if I went to a salon and just asked to get my... Can I just put a scalp? Could you... Just a scalp massage? Golly. Oh, yeah. Someone will give you a good scalp massage. A little phrenology up in that piece, man. Yeah. Okay. Phrenology. So, Kev...

We go back to his apartment. He has got a roommate. Him and his roommate are both sort of struggling actors working through this thing. His roommate just gets like the best part, career break, right? And he says, Kev, you should come to this party. The director's having this party. You know, all you need is an opportunity to make a meet, et cetera, et cetera. Who knows what's going to come? So Kev's like, yo, man, thanks. Very generous. Very generous of his friends. With Kevin, who is...

barely able to show enthusiasm for his buddy who got a job. - So this director, this actor who plays the director, his name's Jeremiah Burkett. I did the regional premiere of "Top Dog, Underdog" with him at the Hanger Theater in Ithaca, New York. - Wow. - This guy? - The actor who plays the director. - Who plays the executive. Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that guy, right? So it was good to see Jeremiah up on screen doing his thing. He's a great actor. - No kidding.

This was a heartbreaking moment. I think for us as thespians, recognizing just how rare opportunities are and how being able to have

an air of gratitude and appreciation, like a win for somebody else does not take something away from you was not a philosophy that Kevin was familiar with. - Kevin subscribes to. - No, no. - That's right. Because he gets an opportunity to talk to the director and he's like, you know, the way the character is described is sort of this all American guy, sort of handsome, good looking or whatever. And you're like, like my roommate. - So who made you go with? - Yeah, it's a little bit different. I was just wondering if you wanted to hear somebody sort of read it that had more of the way the character was written. And he looks at him like, yo,

Yeah. Wow. Like, I thought I had you pegged. Derp bag. You know what I'm saying? Like, pretty boy, sort of peaked in high school, had everything going for him. But never did I think that you would roll up in here and try to take your dude's part. Yeah. You will never work for me in any capacity, in any arena, and walked off. Yeah. And I was, I...

Listen, we wind up finding later on because they have a conversation. Kevin and Kate, that's where it ends because they go to

- Randall's, they go to Randall's. - Randall's. - They go to Randall's and we'll rewind for Randall's. - Find out why they're there. - But they talk about like, I'm dating married men and I haven't had an audition in a year. - Yeah. - Right? - Yeah, they finally reveal to each other the real truth. - It's not going well. - As they have a little bit of wine or whatnot. And there is, I've seen this in friends who've gone through this journey or whatnot.

when that desperation sets in, right? Because so much of the auditioning process, this is sort of like a little bit of a tangential thing, is walking into the room with confidence. - Yes. - And when you haven't been validated for over a year, you haven't had an opportunity for over a year, that is eroded, right? And it becomes a self-fulfilling sort of thing that like, oh, I'm not gonna get anything because what I'm projecting is just desperation. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I just had to say that. As an actor, I was like, oh, it hurt me deeply because then he goes back to his roommate's, his place and the roommate said, find another roommate, dude. You effing suck. Yeah, before the party, he forgave his rent. He's like, don't even worry about it. Totally. Yeah. Okay. So those are what's happening. We find them at Randall's house because...

We're on the day of Tess's birth. - Yes, we don't know that quite yet. - We don't know that yet. - But Beth is due very imminently. - Beth is out of belly and it says like the induction date I think is tomorrow. - Yes. - Yeah. - Because Rebecca is coming in tonight so that she can be present for the inducing, right?

Randall's putting up this ceiling fan and he's having a tough time with it. It's just not going the way that he wants it to. There's a little bit of frustration setting in. You can see Beth is sort of walking on eggshells around him, like, "You okay, baby? Like, everything's fine. We're gonna be good." And she's the one who's scheduled to deliver tomorrow.

- Right, because we've learned that we're just two months out from his kind of fabled breakdown where he went blind period for a short time. - We hear that in episode 102 when she's talking to William and she's describing what his vice is. It's like he's perfect, but like perfect is not a good thing in the way that she's describing it. His desire to be everything to everyone

at the same time will turn in on itself. Like he did when he couldn't see. And so you see her talking on the phone to Rebecca and you can kind of hear like, how's he doing? I love when somebody's talking on the phone and you feel like you can hear the other side of the conversation. It was a great sort of thing. It's like, yeah, well, I'm looking forward to seeing you, could use you, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. - It's an interesting conversation or an interesting glimpse at,

perfectionism as mental illness. Like it is, it can, if it grabs hold in a true perfectionist fashion, it becomes dysfunctional immediately because the, the striving for, for perfect is impossible. And the, the striving for the impossible will drive anyone out of their mind. Absolutely. Yeah. So, um,

They're speaking gently with each other or whatnot. And then Rebecca comes. Rebecca comes, they're happy to see her. "Babe, why don't you take your mom's bags upstairs? How's he doing? Is he okay?" Et cetera. And they're talking softly and he says, "You guys are really bad at bad whispers." And there's this sort of recognition of like, "I'm the problem."

And I shouldn't be the problem. My wife's about to have a child and they're all worried about me. But you still can't get out of the way of yourself. You know what I'm saying? And so he says, like, you know, I tell you, I'm going to go to fix this lamp. Yeah, the hardware store. Get another fan because it's not working. When I come back, let's just be normal. Let's be regular. Right. This is Randall's thing.

childhood wound that he is metaphorically screaming throughout the story, which is, I am the problem. I can fix this. I am... If...

What would it be? I am perfect. - Yeah. And if I'm not perfect, what value do I have? - Yeah. - There it is. - Well said. Well said. That's the crux of it. - Yeah. - So he, you know, even as he's going out and she's like, it's kind of dark outside. He's like, I can drive to the hardware. Okay. You know, everything is, you know, everybody's walking around. And so he gets to there and he sees this dude who's working in the hardware store, Garuda.

Garuda, sick cat, cool, very cool. And he starts talking to Garuda about like how two months ago he had this nervous breakdown. He saw his daughter in the womb.

And at six months, do you know that babies start to have dreams? Up until that point, you could say that they're just a collection of nerves and muscles, et cetera. But like now they have dreams and that's like a person, that's a real thing. That's a world and into itself. And I'm responsible for this world. And I don't know how I feel about that. Like, I don't know if I'm capable of being responsible for this world. So like, what am I supposed to do?

And Gruta's like, "Why are you asking me, big dog?" And he points at his name tag and it says, "Ask me for help."

And if it's not too racist. Not too racist, but, you know, determined also. There's something about this Eastern philosophy and whatnot. And this got a lot of attention on our socials at the time. I think because we don't see six that often. Yeah, yeah. In terms of representation in media and whatnot. And the guy was so cool because he was like, Eastern philosophy. Like, I'm from East. East Trenton. East Trenton. You know what I'm saying? But he winds up giving this nugget. Like, look, I got five kids.

And I used to have all these questions and be concerned about the answers or whatnot and what they don't tell you. And I believe this is true. - I was like, I'd forgotten about this scene. And then I'm like, this is it. - Kids, they come with the answers.

You know what I'm saying? You'll look at them, they'll look at you and you'll just sort of like get it. Right? And I just like taking a pause there for a second because like, I feel this is a unique dad thing possibly because I think moms are sort of like begun that process

Once they get the baby inside her, you can tell me now, like, it's like, okay, I'm now a mom. Whether it's inside of me or outside of me, I'm sort of like beginning that process. For dads, it really doesn't become real until like they sort of pop out. Of course. Or you have the six month recognition as Randall of that, right? But there is something so beautiful, and you can talk about Lou if you want to, or you talk about Gus or Oz, but like you get that baby, man. It's beautiful.

Flippin' magical. It's the most delightfully magical thing in the world. And I'll talk about this a little bit because in our episode,

she winds up going into labor. Beth goes into labor early. Rebecca calls Randall while he's at the hardware store after this beautiful moment with Garuda. This beautiful moment with Garuda. And Randall takes off. He's like, it's happening, Garuda. It's happening right now. Man, I've never seen Sterling run so fast. I was just about to say. I was like, Sterling. Almost too fast for the camera. Yeah, I was like, wait. You just flashed by the camera. I was like, slow down. I actually asked the Vicar. I was like, do you want me to slow down? Shout out to Regina King. Yeah.

- Yeah? - Regina King directed this episode. - Who directed this episode, right? And so we go home and Beth is in labor and she's, I'm scared, baby. - Wait, wait, wait, let's, let's- - Go ahead. - What answers did your children come with? - Oh yes. - Okay. - I don't know. - There must be a mystery that was solved in your brain.

with one, if not all three, like, or maybe not, maybe it's just, maybe it's me. - I'll say something and I'll let you follow it up. Like I, because I'm the dude that I am, I've always wanted children. Like in my sort of evolution of self, children are always a part of it. So it wasn't something that sort of happened because Ryan, you know, all of a sudden, one time, like it was always sort of in my makeup, right? When I saw Andrew,

And I should say, like, I delivered Andrew. Yeah. Because the midwives did not make it to the house in time. And that's no shade to me. It's just Fertile Myrtle, Ryan Michelle Bathay, had her first contraction at 11 p.m. And Andrew came into the world at 2.23 a.m., three hours and 23 minutes later. That's crazy. And they're always telling us, like, mommy, get some rest. You're in for a big day. Yeah, first.

- Probably gonna be like 24 hours. - So all of that happened, but like he came into the world and I caught him and I unwrapped his umbilical cord from around his ankle and passed him through his mom's legs and put him on her chest so that they can begin the bonding process or whatnot. And it was just like, this is it. This is what I do now. This is what I do now. And this is a joy to do.

And so as the other part was Ryan's most harrowing part of the evening. She had a small tear in her noni, is what they call the midwife called it. You have a small tear in your noni. And so while Ryan was working up the nerve to get the stitches, because it took about 45 minutes, she's like, "You gonna put what where? How you gonna do that?" - Yeah. - I'm gonna go, "Okay, hold on one second." And she hold my hand and Ry will hold on real tight. I was like, "You're hurting me." She was holding on real tight. And as that was happening, because we weren't at the hospital,

I was laying on the bed next to her as Andrew was taking his first nap on my chest. - Yeah, it's everything. - Everything. - Yeah. - Chris, everything. Like he told me everything. He's like, "I'm here, we're here." Like, I think he chose me as just as much as we chose him. You know what I'm saying? And now we're here to like practice love with each other, you know? - Yeah.

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is I have a lot of the rigidity that Randall might present, or a lot of the control that I've been trying to let go of in recent years, and Bear especially.

has helped teach me how to do that. In the way that like, I think looking back now, my biggest concern was how am I gonna get this baby to do what I want it to do all the time? Like somewhere in my head, like the way I've been living my life, concerned with myself and my partner and we've brought our lives down to this partnership now has to be opened back up.

for someone else. We just figured out how to do this. How are we gonna open it up for one other person? And to realize that

two phrases, "It is what it is," and "This too shall pass," are these banal things that we hear all the time that people are just like, "I shrugged them off. They seem trite. They seem easy." But they're very profound about arriving in the moment

allowing what is to be instead of struggling against it, but also realizing that this is not gonna be forever. And a baby goes through all these things where you're like, "Oh, man.

If it's like this every day for the rest of my life. Yeah. I'm never going to sleep again. What? And somewhere in your brain, you believe that. Yeah. And it becomes panic inducing or it becomes, you've had this despair and then you realize, oh, and then that passes. Right. And then that passes. Yes. And then that passes. Yeah. But also-

these moments of like, "Oh, baby's sleeping 12 hours." -Right. -That that too shall pass. You know, that the good-- that the wheel of positive and negative or struggle and peace is constantly turning.

and and to try to grip on to either of them is is a fool's errand well said that's incredible well said you got the most you guys i know you do come on i mean i guess it's just like they are the ultimate teachers and i felt the same way as you described sterling it's like it just everything makes sense all the cliches life is in technicolor you're just like oh this is

what I'm meant to be doing. This is who I am. And like the definition of that keeps morphing and evolving. And now I'm also this person, I'm this kind of mother, I'm this kind of wife, I'm this kind of partner. I think children, in my experience, like they are the ultimate teachers of like how to be present because you cannot be

you can't be a good parent unless you are present. And you can't help but like, you have to be with them. You have to be all eyes on them. You're quite literally keeping them alive. You're, you know, you're their only survival mechanism for a

you know, the first couple of years. So I just, yeah, I feel like looking at them and living with them, it's like, they are the ultimate reminder of not living on our phones, not living like for anybody, like you have to sort of be there with them and you want to be, it's not even like, it's not even a choice that you're making. It just, it is what it is. - It is what it is. - And coming to that acceptance of like, everything is a phase, the good, the bad, the joyful, the exhausting, everything in between.

like the sooner you can come to that like recognition and that conclusion, like the easier it sort of is. Absolutely. It's not resisting. And to remove the defeat from the word surrender. Yeah. Like to find the triumphant nature of surrendering to this process, surrendering to this being, what they need. And it's easier each time. It is. Yeah. Because that first time you think you're going to break them.

You think you're going to break them? You think they're going to break you? Sure. Emotionally? Yeah, and they did. And they did. And they did. And they do. And then you repair and rebuild yourself and you're stronger for the next go round. You're stronger for the next phase. Sure. I will say, I can't say that I became a better actor, but I enjoyed acting more.

Yeah. After? Did you ever have that experience? Where I thought because acting was the most important thing in my life and these moments and these scenes and these characters. Perspective. And then this baby arrives and you're like, oh. That's what it's about. Perspective. But also, I think there are more tools in the toolbox to bring to work so it makes it more enjoyable in that respect. Hands down. And you know that like,

to me, having the privilege of like being on a show like this and having a job that we love so much, it was like, it further instilled in me like, oh, if I can be so lucky to have, to be able to make the choices of what really matters to me.

Things that are taking me away from the most important thing in my life, which is my family. Like they have to check all of these things. Gotta be worth it. Gotta be worth it. Yeah. For me to say yes. And how lucky to be involved in a project where you can take those tools that you've just been given. Yeah. And use them. And apply them. You're not on like. In a meaningful way. You're not in a sci-fi alien movie. You're on a green screen. Like you can take those tools and take them to work. And take those life lessons. From work. Yeah.

- Yeah. - Back home. - Okay, wait, let me go back to the episode. - Sorry, yeah. - No, no, that was awesome. - That diatribe is. - But we go back, Beth's scared. She's like, "I'm scared, baby, I'm scared." She's like, "Hey, we got this, okay?" Now, the anecdote of this is that before we started shooting, like Dan had heard me talk about the birth story of Andrew before and was like, "We wanna sort of recreate that," right? So had Regina talk to Ryan and I about how it all went down.

And so the thing about it, oftentimes at home births, et cetera, if you're not in a tub or whatnot, oftentimes you deliver on all fours. - Yeah. - Okay. So we shot it like that on all fours. And Dan was like, "Dude, I think we have to reshoot it." He came like a couple of weeks later, "I think we have to reshoot it." He goes, "Why?" He goes,

It looks like he's taking a dump. It looks like he's dumping his job. I was like, but that's real. That's real. And that is kind of what it is. And you do also poop a little. Sometimes. Sometimes. Rye did not. Rye did not. This is true. So he goes, he's like, in case you're listening, Rye, everyone knows. You did not poop while you were in labor. So he goes, can I just show it to you so you see what I'm talking about? And I looked at it and I was like, okay, I get it.

how representation-wise it does not look like a child being delivered. Because of the way we've seen it on film and TV for years. So this is interesting. So we wound up reshooting it more traditionally. The fake way, Dan. The false way. The way it does not happen, Dan Fogelman.

So people wouldn't, because the thing is, I think so many people have not seen it that way. And oftentimes in a hospital, you're obviously on your back or whatnot. They didn't want people to drop out of the scene. Heaven forbid we challenge our audience to think differently about the miracle of giving birth. Chris.

- It was funny though. We were like, oh, I get, we were so caught up in like the moment and it being real and this is how it would have happened. - I'm doing stuff like lifting up Sue's dress. Like, all right, this is my wife. We're going in from the back.

And I think also because you have these sort of like guidelines where on network television, like you can't really, you have to shoot things from a certain perspective. So it's like, it was hard to, yes, for it to be depicted in a way that would make sense for the audience. Yes. So we actually had to wind up going back and reshooting it. But so, and so that's just a little side note to that. And another side note. Which one? I,

During this episode, I had hurt my eye. I had to have stitches. That's right. I cut my eye, like right under the eyebrow.

And it was a freak thing. I had to go in the middle of the night and get these emergency plastic surgery to have my eyes sewn up. You were real purple, too. I remember. I was really bruised. I had a huge black eye that had to be covered for this whole episode. Oh, my God. And I was in prosthetics. It was a very tricky situation that Zoe Hay, who we'll be talking to later in this episode, we didn't get into this with her in this conversation, but...

they had to sort of like camouflage the bruise and the stitches. They covered it up, giving me my Cher makeup, which Milo and I are dressed as Sunny and Cher in this episode. And so they kind of did like a really crazy over the top, like smoky purple eye to sort of match the bruising that was already there.

But then it had to be camouflaged for me and prosthetics because we hadn't really lived in this. We hadn't lived in this timeline before with, obviously, with all three of the children, but also with Rebecca. Sure. We hadn't sort of been aged to this. This was sort of middle ground between...

the time period in which Jack passes away and the present day where Rebecca's in her sixties. So this sort of lived in like the mid fifties, late fifties. So yes, so we had also that to sort of deal with my weird freak accident. - I remember you coming to work and I was like, damn, Andy Moore, what the hell happened? And then as I watched the episode. - Where's Taylor? Where is he? - He was out of town. He had an alibi. - Taylor did, Taylor did, Taylor, we know, you could.

But so wait, let's get to this last part because there's a lovely conversation. After Tess is born, everybody's healthy, happy, whole, et cetera. We see Rebecca dropped something on the floor of the kitchen. - Yeah. - And you're cleaning up the pieces. - Yeah. - And you're in tears and you're saying like, this is like one of the happiest days of my life. - Yeah. - Right? And I'm like, all right, so these are happy tears?

It's just like, I don't get a chance to share it with your dad. - Yeah. - Right? - Like the happiest moments will also be the saddest. - The happiest moments will also be the saddest. - Like forever moving forward. - Yeah. - I think that like realization hadn't dawned on her until... - Let's go back to a little masterful piece of writing/acting. I'll never stop just shouting out the praises of Mandy Moore.

this sort of like side conversation about Facebook with Beth earlier. I hear it's like a way of like connecting with people and sort of being with community or whatnot. And Beth's like, "I ain't gonna put no pictures up in there." And she's like, "Well, maybe it could be something positive." She's like, "Well, I'll help you set it up." She's like, "I like that. That would be really nice." So you're understanding for the first time really, Rebecca with her children,

All gone. She's lonely. Please don't get me started about how Brown feels when all my children are all gone, you know, without her husband, without any friends that we know about. It's like Rebecca's kind of by herself. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so, and then reiterating that in that conversation with Randall about like, you know, your father's gone. And normally this is something that we got to share together.

Now, I'll do it by myself. What name have you found for it? It'll come to you when you find it and you see him. The thing that he's picking up the dirt with is part of the fan cover that says Tess Hanna. And I was like, you know what? It's after fan, but it works. The name plays, right? And so there's a lovely moment of going to the hospital and a match cut between the past...

A young Rebecca meeting Randall and middle-aged Rebecca going talking to Tess. And who's got the line? There's a bar that you have, like, you know, thinking your story begins here, but it actually began. Oh, I was, I wrote down the middle can be the beginning sometimes. Something like that. Go ahead. Yeah. I didn't, I never read.

like write it down verbatim, but. - Which is like the thesis of the show. - It's a thesis, right. You guys keep talking, I'm gonna find this. I know it's here somewhere. - Well, I will sort of break the illusion of, you know, it's challenging to do these scenes on a phone when you're not talking to someone else on the other end most of the time. - And on this one you're talking to babies. - And when I'm talking to babies, obviously there is a finite amount of time that any parent would want to volunteer their. - Sure.

tiny baby to be on a set. I believe there is a 20 minute cutoff. We can only shoot with babies for about 20 minutes. So we're not going to waste that time with them being in a bassinet with a monologue when the camera's on an actor that is not the tiny child. So they're never there. So you're either talking to a doll or you're talking to an empty bassinet. So I just remember in this particular instance, there was a robotic doll that

Show us how they move. They sort of move like that. It was very, it was almost like, can we just take the baby out of the back of the neck? Can I have a rolled up blanket or something? Yeah, I'll just take a towel or something. So yeah, so in these scenes, I am in fact talking to a weird person

radically moving robotic doll. - Beep bler, bleep bler. - Yeah. - Totally robotic baby. - Wait, so okay, I found it. - Okay. - The line goes, "You think that you're at the beginning of your journey, right? But you also began a long time ago." Do you know that? 'Cause I was there and somebody else was there too. Somebody really good.

And we lost a baby, and we thought it was an ending, but it was also a beginning. Life has a middle, too. And middles can be the hardest, because that's when you can get really lost. But middles can be a beginning sometimes. And if you're lucky, you can have it all. And you are lucky. Yeah, that's pretty astounding. I think that that is what this show is.

the message that this show was sent to tell its audience. This idea of this too shall pass. That the reason that we are here is to learn how to hold both things at the same time. Grief and loss. And joy. Grief and joy. You know, loss and gain. Because especially as I get older, especially as I get older, it becomes more prominent that as people are

getting married, that is the day that their father also goes into the hospital as people are, you know, there's just, there just seems to be more of that becoming, it becomes more, um, I become more aware of it because, because maybe I'm just becoming more aware. Yeah. But the, the art of living and the art of, of living a good life is learning how to hold both of those things at the same time and experiencing them both equally without, without, without,

kind of experiencing them both fully without degrading either one. Yeah, because one's present doesn't mean the other can't be present as well. That's right. And in fact, they will be most likely. Yeah, and you also, you have the last line, which I saved because I wanted you to get that in. You know, I thought my journey had come to an end, but I don't know. Maybe we're both at our next beginning. We go to Facebook.com.

And we see Miguel chime in and say, "Hey, congratulations on your first grandchild," what have you. And you see just this wonderful, like, you start to write something, and then you erase it, and then you just say something simple like, "How are you?" You know, very basic. But it was also the fact that you erased-- It was the contemplation. -a little bit of nerves. -To restate. -Yeah. -A little bit of nerves. -Was like, "Ooh." - "Ooh, what's happening here?"

The stakes feel a little different. A little bit different. There's some consideration there. Again, this is the second 102 echo from Randall's breakdown to Miguel showing up for the first time as Grandpa and now seeing the beginnings of what

how that could have been gone. - How they came back into each other's life. - That's right. - Yeah, I was like, okay, that's an interesting way to end an episode. - Our writers are really good. - Very, very good. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's it. Okay, so that was that. - That's 206. - We have a guest. - Yeah. - Right? Zoey Hay. - Ms. Zoey Hay. - Joining us from the makeup department of our show. So we'll be right back after these messages.

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Ladies and gentlemen, we are back with our very special guest, Miss Zoe Hay. Makeup artist to the stars. I first met Zoe Hay on a little show called American Crime Story, People vs. OJ Simpson, where she did my makeup as Christopher Darden and then was delighted to work for another six years together on This Is Us and another season of

Paradise, which will be premiering in 2025. I love Zoe. Look at how fly she is. Thank you. Her hat, the ascot, the pin. The most stylish always. Jamming on the one. How are you doing? This is why you check out this podcast on YouTube. Yes. So you can check out Zoe's style. Her style. You're like a real style icon right now, Zoe. Yeah. All I'll say is the glasses are really good for makeup artists who work in the film business. It hides a multitude of things. Yeah.

at four o'clock in the morning. So, can I just jump into, if you love our show and you love the fact that there is this seamless transition between these characters aging up, aging down, that is thanks in large part to Zoe and her team. Absolutely. Acknowledged and nominated and all of that over the course of the series. Your work was just so unbelievable and...

We all used to joke about signing on to a show like this thinking we were doing just a simple, sweet, emotional family drama. And lo and behold, we're like in season six and you're aging eight, nine, ten characters 20 years at a time and have teams of people doing prosthetics and whatnot. So yeah.

Just to kind of jump right in there, when you signed on to be a part of the show, did you have any idea that you would be working your butt off as much as you ended up doing over the course of six seasons? Yeah.

Absolutely not. I had a friend who recommended me for the pilot. And the word she said to me is, it's just a little family. It's like a period show. Part of it is a period show. It's just like a family drama. Light powder. Oh, this sounds so chill. Yeah. I'd come off of OJ with 40 principles. And I thought, oh, this will be great. Yeah. But I do remember the point where after the pilot was picked up,

And they were like, we're going to age Mandy into her 60s. And I was like, shh. Well, here's the thing, too, because no pressure for you, because it's either we'll age Mandy or we may have to hire a different actor. Yeah. Like, if everybody doesn't completely buy it 100%, that was the other option. And Zoe, you can attest to this. Like, we...

We went through several iterations of hair and makeup tests to sort of land on the Goldilocks, like the right look. And that also sort of modified and changed over the course of maybe the first season or two, just with like the amount of appliances we would put on the face and just how far we would go for myself or for John or whatever. But I remember that very first hair and makeup test with

another effects house that you know it wasn't the right look for Rebecca or for Miguel but I just remember us being like oh this is yeah this is a bridge too far we call that the Mrs. Doubtfire well that's not it but we'll try again

- So besides, I mean, 'cause you would bring in people. Like the thing that I learned a lot about your department and sort of like the egolessness of it all is like, okay, there are certain things that I'm very good at and there's certain things that I need help with. Like talk to us about like Stevie in particular and how instrumental he was in this whole thing. What was your working relationship with him and how did you know he was the person to come on to help?

with all the prosthetics. I had actually, in between doing the pilot and when we knew we were going to be aging Rebecca, I had done a commercial and they had wanted to age an actress from her 20s with two actresses playing the part, but bridging all the ages and the transitions in between. And I was shooting in Uruguay and Malaysia and I knew I needed appliances that were going to stay on. Yeah.

And look good. And I could do by myself. Like I wasn't going to have an assistant there to help or anything. And I knew I had worked with Stevie before and his appliances. And that was the first time I had used his age appliances. And I was in the hotel room, like gluing them on my leg, making sure I could do it.

And I did this commercial. And then when, after our first makeup test that was done by somebody else, Dan had approached me and he said, do you happen to have anything in the trailer that we could use? And I said, actually, I do. And those were the pieces we initially used on Mandy for her first test. And that's where it grew. So I never had any doubts that it was going to be Stevie that was going to be doing this. What was it like to have housekeeping walk in on you with a 60-year-old mouth on your leg? Yeah.

They were shocked. They were shocked. They just slowly closed the door. Yeah, like, ooh. We're going to leave you to do what you're doing. But what I liked about it was it's like a modular system. So you can build and it can kind of miss the potato headache. I got you. You know, you can use...

these cheeks and those wrinkles and this mouth and it's great. You make some different looks. You're also like the facial hair wizard of, first of all, Jack and everybody else who ever had to do facial hair on the show or whatnot. We talk a little bit, because you love it. I go into the trailer and just seeing you take little pieces of hair and put it on the piece of net and just sort of comb it and put it together and shape it together. You love it.

That shit. I do. I do. And I'm judging the facial hair right now, by the way. I'm checking it all out. This is me. Don't think I ever miss a beat with you guys. This is just me right here. So take a look because we may need to duplicate something for season two. What's it like to have a goatee on your knee? You know that?

Yes, well, I've certainly glued some on myself to make sure that they look good. Yeah, I love doing facial hair and that's something I've always done. It's a little specialty I do. So I was never afraid of jumping in with that with any of you gentlemen on the show. And I know that

actually both of you, Sterling, we had to fake your facial hair several times on and off. And of course, at the end of the season there, where we, when we went to San Francisco, we shaved you, Sully. And,

And had to rebuild your beard while you were growing it back in. Yes. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it would be a fun game. And we've talked about this before for people to go through the course of the series and try to see if Milo's facial hair, any of yours, quite frankly, like what's real, what's fudged a little bit, what's totally just like glued on. Cause again, Zoe, like your work is so seamless. It's, it's, it is so much. It's,

hard to see what's real and what's not. - Agreed, agreed. This is the danger of being as good at your job as you are, is that when you're as good as you are, people don't even notice. - Yeah, I know. - Yeah. - That's my goal. - If you're looking at it, I did it wrong. I did it wrong. If you see it, I screwed up. That's my goal.

I want the actors to look in the mirror when you're in the trailer, all of you to look in the mirror. And I just want you to see your character when you go out there. And I want you to be totally comfortable, as comfortable as you can be with piece of fabric and some hair glued on your face or prosthetics or whatever. But I want you to be able to go do your job.

and take it the rest of the way, you know? That's always my goal. In this particular episode of the '20s, right, so we weren't aging forward anything. We were aging backwards, the big three. It was the day of Tess being born. You have Justin, who's massaging people's hair, shampooing people's hair. Yeah. And Chrissy-- I want to talk about the haircut. The bangs. Yeah, we can talk about the haircut. I was like, that's a choice.

But it was like, she, like this so much foundation. Talk about like how you make people look younger. Cause I don't know if I ever looked younger or not, but you just shave them as cleanly as possible. Yes. And put those glasses on. I totally bought it. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. We do. As we affectionately called it, euthanizing. Euthanizing. I love it. Affectionately. Yeah.

Yeah, that's what we call it. And a lot of skin prep, a lot of products, a lot of iPads. And I do distinctly remember Milo would arrive on his motorcycle and flip up his visor in the morning to show me he was wearing his iPads on the way home. His little patches on his eyes. Oh, cute. Totally.

All of that. And then, you know, we did some more extreme de-aging where we did some facelifts and neck lifts. How do you do that? We actually use like a surgical tape that they use. It's very thin and clear and you sort of

pull one side up and are you where can we buy that where is that available for purchase just in case somebody listening okay amazon we'll put a link in the chat for everyone so wait the youngest anybody mandy you you did one shot of like 16 yeah yeah well did you do any i remember you had pigtails i had braces you had braces i had braces and i believe that was some computer oh

- No, actually, we didn't use any digital on that. - Really? - I did ask for that, yeah. - Okay, well that was just like some crazy lighting and some Vaseline on the camera. - Mandy Moore can bounce with six feet. - And you talked about like a lateral. - Yeah, sure. - And then Mandy, like I remember, Zoey, when you were doing the makeup test for Mandy for season six for "The End,"

And like, I remember walking and seeing you and like, I just started crying. - Yeah. - Like it was so, you guys, there's a special sort of wizardry that you pulled off for six seasons. The fact, Mandy's the youngest of all of us.

playing the eldest of all of us, and nobody blinked an eye the entire time. A testimony to the thespionic charms of Mandy Moore, but also to the crew. - It was the package. I mean, you wouldn't have bought it if it weren't for, you know, like the look had to, like it all had to work together. You know what I mean? - Some really great sweaters. - Some great, yeah, some great knits. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. I mean, there was, there was some, certainly it was a real collaboration because it had to work with the makeup, had to work with the hair and also the wardrobe. And, you know, Hala was so amazing at like helping us cover you up because we were like,

Although there was one scene of you in a bathing suit, I remember. Yes, with Chrissy. And we were like... And I was like, she's only 65 from here on. Yeah, from the neck up. Just you in the water like this. Totally. Rebecca just likes to float. Yeah.

Just in the head of our water. And then it was raining. I mean, it was. And so we couldn't get the wig wet. We were in the pool. Justin was directing that episode. I'll never forget that. That was hilarious. Props made sure they had a hard candy in every pocket. Yeah.

- Butter sky. - Our visions of your little neck waddle just sort of floating off. - Would you say the most challenging was it at the end of season six when you had everybody in the future? How many people did you have in old age that you had to deal with it at any one time the most? - I think it was 12 people if I'm not mistaken. And the hardest part was we designed that

We didn't know that. We always knew that there would be Chrissy and you and Justin at the bedside. That was always a given. Of course, we knew at a certain point, we knew Miguel would be much older too. Nobody ever thought Toby would make it that far. We did not think Toby would be that old. There's no way Toby's making it past season four. Fine, he made it past the heart attack, but...

I'm going to make some prosthetics for him now. So that was, you know, and when we had all the spouses and, you know, and then it was like, oh, great. Everybody had to get remarried. Great. Great. Yeah. And some exes joined too. Oh, great. True. Great. Ex-girlfriends. Good, good. Yeah.

Yeah. And I would say that was the most challenging. I'm not sure. I know that at least two people were wearing like the same wrinkles as Mandy on her. Because the beauty of it is it moves so differently on everybody and the pieces are so small. So we're sort of like, oh, I think Mandy's...

Mandy's eye bags will work on them. Yeah. I mean, they're genetically related, maybe, you know, Chrissy and Mandy have the same eye bags. That would make sense. It makes sense. So that helps us not have to re-sculpt things. Yeah. And by then, Stevie had such a big sort of stock of different things to choose from. So we sort of just, you know, pick,

Picked bits and pieces, tied it together. Is there anything outside of age work that you remember in particular, whether it was scarring for anybody going through anything like that, that sort of sticks out in terms of a fun thing to play with makeup wise in the course of the show?

Yeah, I mean, we certainly had, we had Mandy in a car crash. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Lots of, uh, I believe. Yes. And some bloody bits and knees and things like that. Um, and I know Justin, we did a swollen knee for, Oh, that's right. That was great. That was a great knee. Yeah.

Yeah, I actually think Hannah's makeup was my favorite, though, which I only got to do a couple of times. Stevie did that and that was taken over. And I thought that that was yeah, yeah, that was such a beautiful makeup. And again, one of those that nobody knew. Right.

What she had on and and we didn't really go into that during the show and I felt that that was really beautifully done It was and worked. Yeah as well. Yeah, no one would question it any other questions you guys got I mean, we're gonna have you back for a full episode We're gonna think thinking about getting you and Michael together to a Full episode Yeah, cuz there's just so too much to get in way too much. Yeah. Yes, I

But this was a nice little tasty morsel to sort of satiate us for now. And now hopefully you're going to air lots of beautiful things of you all, beautiful and younger, right? That's right. Yeah. Yes. That's right. Is that the goal for this one? That's right. I need that tape now in real life. There you go. I'm going to try to find that on Amazon. Yeah. Discount code TWU. I would say that Mandy was the easiest to take back. Oh.

And I think I worked with you in your 20s. Not anymore. Not anymore. Three kids. I'm tired. I don't want to hear a bit about it. I think when, Mandy, when we worked with, because I said so, you were in your 20s, right? I was, yeah. Yeah. So you had a reference point. Which movie? Because I Said So. Oh.

Yeah, with Diane Keaton. That's where I first met though. Yeah. Taking it back. Mandy Moore is ageless. You could still. Yes. You're very kind. It's true. I agree. If we were to ever do some sort of reboot of the show, I joke like, well, wouldn't need the prosthetics anymore. Just, just,

- Paint in the wrinkles. - Yeah, just us iPads. - Yeah, exactly. - Okay, you're on set. She's on an undisclosed location 'cause she's doing top secret dope ass work right now. Thank you, Zoe Hay for making time. - Thank you, Zoe, we love you. - Thank you so much. - We'll talk to you soon. - It was lovely to see you. - All right, all right. - Take care. - Bye. - Bye.

I'm excited about this fan segment. Yeah, me too. I think we're going to be talking about Halloween costumes and see if Chris can fit into this one. If you're not watching on YouTube, this is your fatal error right now. I can't say the line. Can you even hear anything? Oh, we can't? Here, here. You can hear me. You can hear me. No, we can't. You can hear me in the distance. It's fine. Now listen, even though I might not...

- A shark is eating Chris Sullivan. - That's what it is, it's a shark attack. Live on YouTube. - Jabberwocky, lord have mercy. - All right.

Fan segment. What are we doing in this segment? We're going to be looking back at some Halloween costumes over the course of the years of the show. Many people dressed up as the Pearsons. So let's take a look. Let's take a look at some of the best representations of the Pearsons. That would make me happy. Let's go to the screen. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. Okay, okay. That's Jack and Rebecca. Jack and Rebecca. Oh, he's holding on to his mustache. He's holding his mustache. It's clearly not his mustache. He's got to be careful with that one. Look at Sam. She's got the Pearsons.

the Steeler's jersey on. She does have the jersey. She's got the part going down the middle. She's got the Rebecca Pearson hair happening. I like this one on the right. Very scary, though. Those dolls. Very scary. Wow. Rebecca Robertson. Wow. Handsome Bo. That's a handsome Jack. He didn't commit by cutting his hair, but we'll cut him some slack. But they did commit by getting robot babies. They got the three babies. I appreciate a black baby. Thank you very much. You know that Rachel and I dressed up as...

Jack and Rebecca. Can we see photographic proof of this? I don't know if we can or not. Really? Because I definitely didn't submit for this fan segment. No, no, but can we put it on social media? Let's do it on social media. Yeah, when this episode airs, let's try to find a photo. Yeah, it turned out good.

I did a Jack Pearson thing one Halloween where I wore his military hat. Yeah. Oh. I have a military hat from set and then I put on like, you know, army jacket, et cetera. Some fatigue? Yeah. Cool. And they got too drunk? No. I'm getting eaten by a shark. Okay. Let's see some more pictures. Anymore?

Okay. Oh, wow. I stash on the left there. I love it. And the shirt, that's a perfect representation of... Although Jack had the beard then, but yeah, it's okay. That's okay. Well, in the middle here, what I appreciate...

is the head sizes of the dolls. Which one? Well, mine. The one on the left? Well, the black baby's head seems small. But the one on the left, the black baby has a full head of like... He has a full head of hair. ...of like nighttime news anchor hair. Like full like... Schalacto. ...tonight at 6 p.m.

There's something in your drinking water. For the poor guy on Kelsey Frew's picture, his head looks small for his body. I'm concerned. They're cute little baby dolls, but I have to say, R.A. Becca? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's pretty good. They nailed sea

Season three, episode one, costume to a T. That's right, because you guys were at the fair. We were at the fair. Yeah, that's a good one. It's sort of the... That's what rained. Extenuation of the first date. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will say, that's probably the most Milo-looking Jack we've seen. In the middle? No, no, over there on the right. On the right? His face, yeah. Yeah, it's got a real...

A Ventimiglia vibe. Do we have any other pictures? Let's see the next one. No one else dressed up as... These are all just Jack and Rebecca. Jack and Rebecca. Jack and Rebecca is the way to go because the babies contextualize, right? In the first two. Wow. Look, they've got the big three on there too. Oh, that's nice. Oh, wow. And then someone went...

Don't even mention what that man is. Slow cooker. It's a slow cooker. Oh, by the way, though, I actually have to give props. Our middle picture here by Sean.Harve, she kind of looks like you, Mandy. I'll buy that.

- I buy that. - She kinda looks like that. - Yeah, absolutely. - The hair styling in particular. Also on the left, that's a good one too from that same period of time. - She's got the beret. - She got the beret. - She nailed that. - No, these are all good. They all have black babies. We have Cabbage Patch dolls. That's a nice little touch in the middle there. - Yeah, a nod to the time period. - Which I appreciate. And then of course the slow cooker. - Where did they even get Cabbage Patch dolls? - On the right.

- They're still around. - I'm sure. - They're like vintage. - It's segments like this. I'm getting eaten by a shark. It's segments like this. Oh no!

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Because Randall's on the precipice of fatherhood, we all talked about what becoming parents meant to us. We learned a lot about what our kids taught us. Yeah, what they taught us. We learned a lot from Sterling's experience in life. I did deliver my first child by myself because the midwives didn't get there in time. And sometimes it happens on all fours, Dan. Damn straight. We actually had to reshoot. We learned on the podcast. We had to reshoot part of this scene of Beth

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