Jack Pearson Level Magic | "Six Thanksgivings" (308) with special guest Jon Huertas
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On today's episode of That Was Us, we are diving into Season 3, Episode 8, Six Thanksgivings. Kate and Toby try to make a normal Thanksgiving dinner while Randall makes an appearance for his campaign, but it leads to a magical, unconventional meal for the Pearson family. Meanwhile, Miguel stands up for his relationship with Rebecca, and we finally discover the story behind the necklace that Jack wore. What up, everybody? You've heard of Four Christmases?

We got six Thanksgivings up in this motherless. And in addendum to six Thanksgivings, we got our boy in the house, John Huertas, co-hosting for the episode. Lucky us. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having us. Thank you for coming back. Of course. Of course. Of course. This is always a good time. What's going on with you these days? Just give us a little rundown of what's popping. I know you're building a complex. I've got a new prefix. What's the new one? Farmer.

Look at this. Farmer John. Farmer John hit me up. We were FaceTiming each other real quick, and he hit me up with this anecdote because he's got animals on there, and he's got like a hen. Is it a rooster? What was it? Turkey. It was a turkey. Wild turkey. He's got wild turkey. Yeah, like many of them. He's got wild turkey. 25, 30 of them. He said he got one wild turkey that tried to run his ass down. Oh, yeah. They're mean. Yeah, tried to kill me.

they are they're big too they're bigger than you think from a distance you can tell they're big birds but yeah they're just a bird yeah up close it's like a dinosaur yeah trying to jump up at you with his hind feet so it comes at you sideways yeah yeah what yeah like comes out you like yeah like from the hood and he said he said like i don't know how fast i ran

But it was a five something 40. He's like, it may not have been like in the fours because John's got some wheels on him. He's like, but like. Used to be fours. Used to be in the fours, but this may have been like a good five one or something. Let's just say a wild turkey can probably get up into the low 20s. Miles per hour. Really? But I did outrun this. Yeah, that's right. Wait, what do you do about the dogs? They weren't there with me at that point. They were still here in LA. But yeah, that turkey tried to get twice because I kept it at bay. I had a jacket like a matador.

I was like, I was like, you know, and I was cussing out the turkey. Like it could understand. I'm like, get off me. Would have been a perfect time to call somebody a jive turkey. Damn it. It would have been the perfect time. Next time. Next time. You ain't nothing but a jive. Yeah. You imagine being across a field. Is that what's John doing?

- What would have happened? Here's my, like, and then we'll get to the episode, of course. - I wouldn't let up. - People who are interested in this is us. But,

Like there's the fight or flight, right? And so you choose the flight. But like if you get close, were you close to like having to turn and squabble up? Yeah. I mean, it was literally, if I didn't have the door behind me to get back into my spot, then I would have had to fight and turn. You were that close to your house? This is where the word squabble comes from. A man fighting a turkey. Squabble, squabble, squabble, squabble, squabble. Kendrick had the same thing happen. Squabble, squabble, squabble, squabble.

So this turkey, when I came out the door, the turkey, it wasn't there. I mean, I came out of the door and I was like, oh, forgot my jacket. So I reached, I went back in, grabbed my jacket, came out kind of backwards, locked the door, turned around. The turkey was like, and like all up on me. And like right there, like I'm talking 12 inches away. And I was like, ah, and I put the jacket in front, like get off me. And it was like, get away from me, turkey.

And he wasn't scared. She said, John, turkey. But I was like, get away from me, turkey. And it chased me back into the house. And then I waited. I was like, oh. And then I looked out the door, and there was no turkey. So I was like, all right. He obviously was on one. He went to go eat some grubs or whatever they eat. And I started to walk to my vehicle. As I turned the corner, the turkey was behind me, just wings out. Oh!

And then I freaking had to sprint through my barn. They have a barn. I cannot. You got to kill that turkey. I picked up a broom, like a push broom inside my barn and had to spin on him. I was like, get up, man. We need that rock salt shotgun. Just by the door. Just by the door. You're a farmer now, John. You have to keep a shotgun by the door. Oh, my God.

And now every day, every day there's cause the male, it's the male turkeys do it. And suddenly the, when male turkeys are getting like a territorial, they get their heads turned blue and their waddle turns red. Yeah. And they're, yeah. And they're like, and they start gobbling at you. Yeah.

And they yell at you. And I start, I'm trying to be nice. I'm like, hey, what's up, turkey? I'm just chilling. You eating some food? You eating some insects? And the turkey gets mad, swells up. That's when the picture of a turkey when they got all the feathers up. That's not how they usually look. Right, right, right. The classic turkey, that's an angry turkey. That's an angry turkey. Because they're about to get killed. They drag their wings on the ground and slap them. So they make these little sounds like...

So when it's coming at you, is it coming at you on the ground or is it actually trying to jump up? It's trying to jump up to you. It's coming with his head a little bit, his beak, and swinging his head at you and it's turning sideways and trying to jump up with his hind feet and just claw you. Okay. So that was the most ethical treatment that you could have done in terms of just keeping it at bay.

And I don't want to talk about any unethical treatments because I don't want to get in trouble with anybody. We can, though, because here we are. Six Thanksgivings. Six turkeys. Six dead turkeys on six tables. What a segue. A turkey attack. Let's talk about it. Our first Thanksgiving on this episode is a flashback to the Pearsons who are having

Our man Miguel, he's coming to the crib for the first time since his divorce. And Mandy, oh, excuse me, Rebecca is talking in the beginning. Thank you. Thank you.

- Similar people. - Thank you. - Similar people. - It's not Rebecca. It's Rebecca. Talking about like, I'm best friends with his ex-wife. Why are we having him over to the house and not her? She's got the kids. She's gonna go see her family. Jack is like, he's by himself. Otherwise he'd just be somewhere, right?

So the family's having a good time. The Pearsons are lovey-dovey. The big three are all getting teased about Randall's college essay. Like, dude, you got to pick the fireman for the most important person in your life. The most influential person in your life. Most influential person. Everybody's like, hello, fireman, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dad's like, it's a layup. He's like, no, it's not. It's an unfair question, right? Too many people contribute to it. I disagree with the premise. Yeah.

Exactly. The premise is flawed. The question is flawed. Flawed premise! All right. All right, smarty pants. But the premise for the question is flawed. It's more, he goes deeper. He goes deeper like yours is. So the first thing that caught me as there's a ring at the doorbell, Miguel comes in with antithetical energy to the good vibes that are permeating through the Pearson household. The first question I had was,

Cell phone? He's on the phone, folks. And I guess it's 98. That's 98. Is it 98? Yeah, yeah. Because it's the last Thanksgiving before Jack dies. It wasn't an iPhone. It was straight up like zinc. Okay, so wait. It is 98. We're born in 1980. Yeah. Yeah.

- Yeah. - We're born in 1980. We're 17, so it's '97, let's say. - Sorry, '97, the end of '97, 'cause '98, the first flip phone that didn't even have the microphone in the flippy part. It was just covering the microphone. - It was a cap, that was a cap. - People had caps. - Okay, you're right. - For the buttons. And Miguel was rich, so.

Of course he was. He was loaded. He was getting his. That was one of the things. And that's a big story point. He learned to play golf so he could get rich. This is one of the story points that happens to the thing. Okay, so I wasn't sure about the time frame. I didn't get my first cell phone, interestingly enough, until I graduated from grad school. So I got my first one in 01, right? It was the Sprint single. Four years later. Yeah, four years later. And you weren't even rich. Not at all. As a matter of fact.

As a matter of fact, I would go so far as to say I lived beneath the poverty line at that time in my life. I don't claim poor. Right. Beneath the poverty line. Beneath the poverty line. You were happy and rich and here. I was happy. My first cell phone, I couldn't afford it. How old were you when you had your first one? About the same time. About an 01? For you, when did you get your first one? Because you've been working. About the same time. I was here in LA already. Yeah. Yeah. I was...

I had my first cell phone. My parents did have a car phone. I'm in 99. 99. My mom had a purple Nokia. Got it for my birthday. Nobody had- We probably bought it from the same store. Ryan was a big Blackberry person. Nobody ever went through a Blackberry phase? Oh, of course we did. I did. Yeah, I had a Blackberry. My mom had a car phone. Oh, my dad had a car phone. Really? Yes. I've seen those. In his Ford Explorer. It was like-

Wired? Yeah, like wired to like the... Yeah, you can hang it up. Yeah. Yeah. Was it rotary? No. No, no, no. My friend's dad had a rotary one. In his car? Yeah, a Mercedes convertible. And he had it like it was the whole center console. Oh, perfect. It was the phone. You'd open it as a phone and it had the rotary. Did it ring like a rotary? I never heard it ring. I never, I mean...

All I know is when I go in his garage, I would just open it and stare at it like this. It's pretty cool. Like the coolest thing you've ever seen. One day. Okay. I had to explain it to Bear the other day because Bear said, why do they say hang up the phone? Really? That's such a good question. It is a good question. Because you used to hang it on a wall. That's why, buddy. This doesn't mean anything anymore. No. Like putting your hand to your face with the pinky out and the thumb up. No. Like nobody would understand that reference. It's this. It's that.

Yeah, it's like, you know, pick a phone. Speakerphone. I'm on speakerphone. For me, I don't even put this to my ear anymore because I'm afraid of like what sort of like, it's like I either put it on the speaker or I have the buds in and I do it that way. Like I actually don't like, because sometimes if I like concentrate, I do feel a little something. And I'm like, it's not good to be close to my head. I truly believe that. I don't know if you guys have ever had that feeling. No, I mean. John is very dubious. For those not watching on YouTube, he's, he's.

This dude. This dude. Yeah, he looks as confused as the turkey. Let us continue with the storyline because we got like six Thanksgivings. Got this scene with Milo. Well, before the scene. Before the scene with Milo, they're at the table. Everybody's at the table. Oh, that's right. Yeah.

You came into arguing, but his argument was like, yo, just let me see the kids. Let me just tell them Thanksgiving for, you know, happy Thanksgiving for a hot second. It's kind of mean for Shelly to not even let me say thanks. It does seem, it doesn't seem fair, right? The camaraderie, the good vibes continue at the table. And Miguel is just seeing like everything that is happening for this family, that he is sort of on the outside of.

well and is not having his own experience yeah right you know he does not echo what he has yeah yeah anything else because you were inside i always like to hear people being inside the scene just sort of talk through their experience yeah i mean i think that's what um you know miguel was just you know seeing what he could have had if his relationship didn't fall apart yeah yeah um and it breaks his heart yeah um and i think you know he just can't

He can't be in this moment because he's going to ruin what's going on if he suddenly starts blubbering in front of these people. So he's just like, excuse me, I'm going to go poop. Politely excuses himself. That's what he says. Yeah, and then do you guys have a shitter? Jack's like, I know he ain't got to go. That's my best friend. I'm not going to make it through this episode. And he's not making his poop face. Cheeks clenched just trying to enjoy himself. He doesn't look. That's a different face.

I will also be right back. And he goes left at the end of the hallway, too, just like I did. It's at a right where... The bathroom is. Sonny, you're about to say the same between Jack and me. Yeah, he just gives you the pep talk. He gives me a great pep talk. Yeah, quintessential. For my character, at least, it definitely made him feel like I'm going to make the most of being here. And I'm so...

glad to have the Pearsons in my life. Which then, later in the episode, comes back around full circle. Yes, it does. And the line that stuck out for me in that one, too, like, obviously he demonstrates what a driven individual you are. Yeah. Where you've come from and where you are now. Sure. He's like, look, you're rich. You got a cell phone. What more do you want? And a country club membership. What more could you want? One more. You want golf tournaments? Yeah. What Puerto Ricans ever want a golf tournament in Pittsburgh? But he does say... He does say...

She could never turn your kids against you. Yeah. Which I was like, knowing the episode, I was like, oh boy. Jack's not always right. Oh boy. But I like that he mentions, you know, take the same tenacity that you approached your job with and like make sure those kids know like you're still their dad. Yeah. Use that same energy to focus it on them. Which I feel like Miguel has done for Jack at one point up to this point. Didn't Miguel give Jack a speech at some point about like...

That was like maybe one or two where he's like, don't ruin. You got a great thing at home. Your wife is smoking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where everybody's like, why are you talking about his wife being smoking? That's how it went. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. It was essentially two friends holding each other to a higher standard. Yeah. Be the man I know you are. Yeah, the man I see. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I would love if we can, because I know I do these little tangents, but I

I just love how the show relates to real life and how you guys deal with it. In terms of work-life balance, do you have any sort of strictures that you try to put in place to make sure that you allocate the appropriate amount of time to everything that is in your life? Or do you feel like you take it day by day? Like, I'm just very curious. Yeah, I have some rules. Hit us up. Hit us up. So my phone is on Do Not Disturb from, I think...

Seven six or six o'clock at night to eight o'clock in the morning. Okay, I don't do any Business calls or anything like that after six o'clock. Okay, and then on weekends, I don't either Yeah, and so it's just my time and my wife's time and how long have you done that hello probably Six or seven years now. No more than that actually like before the show about 10. Yeah about 10 like the beginning of the show. Oh

Before the beginning of the show. Before the beginning of the show. Yeah. That's amazing. And you feel like everybody knows that and they just respect it. Like your team knows it and they get a little frustrated. Well, my team does. Okay. But everybody else, like, you know, there are some people that still are like, you know. Pick up the phone. Yeah, 830 texting me like, hey man, can I give you a call about this script or whatever? And I'm like, you know, just ignore it. Yeah.

I got you. Text me every day. Until tomorrow. Yes. I saw you called last night. Yeah. Yeah. It is the idea that we are able to be reached 24 hours a day is a very new thing that people now automatically assume. Like, why aren't you reaching? Remember back like in the, you know, before there were cell phones? Yeah. If you were at dinner with your family and the phone rang, there'd be like a look across the table like. Why are they calling during dinner? Who called? Who is calling?

Who calls between 6 and 7.30? Yeah. It must be an emergency. Right. Then after dinner time, it's like family time. Maybe we're watching something together. Kids doing homework. Who's calling? Nine times out of 10, it was a telemarketer.

Because they knew you were going to be home. Even now, my own, I have a home line. I was like, I don't answer this line. Nobody should have this phone number. I ripped that off my new house, the farm. There was a hard line coming into the house. What the hell is this? Just rip it off. There you go. Hardwired. What about you, beautiful people? Especially for you guys, with the young people in the house. I have no boundaries.

They got screens. No, no. They have boundaries. I have no boundaries. Oh, you have no boundaries. I have no boundaries. Yeah, I should be better about that. I really am going to take a page out of your book, John. Except if I call you at 10 o'clock, just answer the phone. I mean, I will. No, I'm actually asleep. Why are you calling at 10 o'clock? That's too late, John. Listen, you know I'm already taken from Jack. She's my emergency contact. If I get attacked by a turkey, she's going to have to. Listen, I'm on the roof of my car.

I'm surrounded by turkeys. I can't get a hold of Nicole, please. Here's something though, Manny, because your husband has to go on the road for his job. So do you guys talk about like, all right, if you're going to be gone for this amount of time, like, can you be like, is there a negotiation there? I feel like we're just starting to enter that territory of negotiation. Like, no.

We are in firm agreement that we really don't ever want to be away from the kids, like both of us at the same time. So trying to navigate those waters of like, okay, well, this is my work schedule. This is your work schedule and trying to coordinate it in that sense. But that's just starting to factor in now. Next time he goes on the road, you're like, pick two. You're taking them with you. Exactly. You're taking two. I'll take one. You take two.

You're sitting around all day. Yeah. You work two and a half hours a day. Maybe. Maybe. That's generous. What about you, Soph? I am fully present now.

I don't work for seven to eight months out of the year until the financial strain becomes too much and then I disappear for four months. That's how I like to- Never, like, no contact. That's the plan. Your wife's like, I don't know where he is. Listen, I'm home all day. I do drop off, pick up, lunches, bedtimes, eight months straight. And then when people start to panic, daddy disappears. I gotta go. I'll be in Toronto. Yeah.

Rachel's cool because she looks at the bank account and there's money coming in. I don't care where he is. She felt the same strain. After about eight months, she's like, what are you still doing here? I love that this is funny but that he's completely serious and it makes my heart a little sad at the same time. All things happening simultaneously. He's not lying and it's not a good thing. Okay, so I have a couple of rules. We as a family, Rye and I, it's

When we first got married, we had a six week rule. Like we wouldn't go longer than six weeks, but it's 'cause I was shooting "Army Wives" and I was in Charleston and it was like, let's not go, six weeks is too long. I'm a firm believer, six weeks is too long. So we've cut that in half, it's three weeks.

if I can not be gone longer than two weeks without somebody getting on the plane to see the other person with the kids, that's the best. The first time since the kids had been born, we had to go five weeks when I was in Australia. And it was long, thankfully, like as opposed to the beginning of the marriage, there's FaceTime and everything. So I get a chance to talk to them. And the time difference was 16 hours into the future. So I would just wake up whenever they went to school and when they got home from school. So I could just at least,

see them for a certain period of time. That's one of the few things that we actively try to do. But in terms of just like, I've sort of come up with a formula for how I want my career to go if the universe sees fit.

Which is a television show that shoots in Los Angeles for the majority of the year. And then a little bit of time to play, to either do a film or a play. Right? Or both, right? But the idea that my family knows where I am for at least half the year is very comforting to me. So when people say like, oh, don't you want to go do movies? And they get all sort of mad at me for doing it. I'm good. I get the best...

Of both worlds. Of all of it. Yeah. You know, and my family gets to see me and I get to see them because you guys know, like...

so much changes and shifts in these young people that like sometimes if you're gone too long, you're like, oh snap, did I miss? I don't wanna miss none of that. So that's one of the few things. So thank you. I'm curious to- - So the longest since you guys have been together, the longest you guys have ever been apart is six weeks. - Five. - Five weeks. - Oh no, well, since Mariah and I have been together six weeks, right? Since being parents five weeks and that just happened this past year. - Wow. - Besides that only two weeks. - That's very admirable. - It's true.

I know. It takes work, though. It takes planning. Absolutely. We'll be right back with more That Was Us. Okay. We've talked a lot about growing up on the show and how life just gets more complex and

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- Go ahead. - Thanksgiving number two. - You wanna jump to what, which one are you gonna jump to? 'Cause I wanna kind of finish out the Miguel storyline. - The whole storyline? - I kinda like the through line of it. - The through line, yeah. - Okay. - To go to-- - You sure? I don't wanna listen. - Miguel and Rebecca? - Hey, hey, hey, hey, you stop. - Thanksgiving number one. We'll get you out of here early.

He's still going to chime in. No, you're still going to chime in on the other stuff. But do we jump to, is that the end of it in the past? It is. I mean, it really ends with Randall saying, you know, reading the essay. Right, right. Okay, so we'll come back to it then. So we see Miguel...

Present day Miguel and Rebecca going to Scarsdale? Is that where we're going? I believe so, yeah. Upstate New York. In the car. To see your daughter. Amber. And son. Daughter and son. And meeting the grandson for the first time? Meeting the grandson for the first time. Meeting the grandson for the first time. And he says we're a pity invite to...

You know, and he's having- Because Shelly's, you know, going to see her new husband's family. She's with her new husband's family, et cetera. And he's sort of feeling anxious about it. And what do you say? You say something to him, Rebecca. Do I? I don't remember. Something sweet. You say, gobble, gobble, gobble. When I can't remember, I'm just going to gobble. You say something sweet, but then they get there. And I have to add, there is-

Amari Michael Ryan Christian Brown watched this episode with me last night.

And he was watching the interaction at the table. He said a couple of things to me which were really interesting because it's the first, like he hasn't had to deal with too many step parents and step children sorts of things. And the dynamics. And the dynamics. And he's like, so that's his son and that's his daughter and that's her husband and that's their child and that's it. And he's like, he says like, family get really complicated when you get divorced. And it was just one of those things that you just sort of like. Yeah.

You're right. Note to self, try not to get divorced. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. Because he just sort of like clocked it. And innocently as all could be. But he was like, man, that's a lot. And you said they're pretty complicated when you're still together. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah.

That doesn't even have to factor into making a copy. It does not at all. Okay, Visiting Daughter. And...

They start to talk about Kevin's movie. And the kids say they haven't seen it yet and they heard it wasn't that great or anything. The actor who plays your son. Will. Will? He brings it. He is such a dick. He brings it. But his background is comedy. He's a comedic actor. Yeah. Improvisational comedy. That doesn't surprise me. And he's so good at just being a little... So wait. I mean, he is in this show for...

Six minutes. Yeah. And he is, he leaves. You immediately can see a history, a lifetime of like resentment. He brought a sword to the table. He did, he did. Just cutting money. Just, Kevin's movie. We haven't seen it yet. Yeah. Just like, heard mixed. Yeah, I was like, heard mixed. Yeah.

I love that Rebecca jokes right in with Rotten Tomatoes. Let it land on her. But Rebecca's sort of rebuttal is like, oh, I don't know. It got like a 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. Knowing damn well she's like, his movie's dope. Yeah, she came back a little bit. Ron Howard movie? And then my man Will hits, he goes...

First, you steal my father from my mother. Now you're trying to kill my brother-in-law because there's sliced almonds in the sweet potato souffle or what have you. And which Amari Michael Ryan Christian Brown just goes, shots fired. Did he really? I can't. I cannot.

We got to have some live commentary from this. Oh, my God. I was crying when he did it. Shots fired. What? Not wrong. This is an interesting day on set, right? Because we have two regulars on the show who are now sitting down with like six day players. Sure. Yeah. Which is an interesting dynamic on a set. Day players with which...

we are supposed to have a lifetime of history. An intimate relationship. Tell us about the day. Interestingly enough, like maybe not as intimate. Right. Not as intimate, but still a history. But you're right. That definitely helped serve the stranger element. I mean, the day was a little crazy because, and there was a whole story change because of this Thanksgiving dinner. If you remember, there was a baby that was supposed to be

my daughter's son, wasn't adopted originally. This baby was the actor that was just...

like screaming bloody murder the entire time we were trying to shoot and they would they'd take the baby out and bring in the stand-in baby and the stand-in baby was like oh man what y'all wanna do and it was awesome and finally it was just not going well Catherine Harder was just like getting red and be like I just don't even like we were losing today and I finally said why don't we just use the stand-in baby and they're like he's Asian yeah he's adopted

- Boo. - Welcome to real life. - That's what they do in that family, in the prison family. That's what we do on the show. People get adopted. So let's just, and they were like, oh, ding, ding, ding. And they swapped out the baby and the day went smooth. - Yeah. - It was your pitch. - It wasn't my pitch. I think it was. - I think it was.

Great. Yeah. And you mentioned the director of this episode, Catherine Hardwicke. Yep. Who you are friends with. I'm friends with her, yes. How many episodes of our show did she do? Just this one? No, she did like two or three. I think she did two. Yeah, I believe it was two. But she is also the director of Lords of Dogtown. Yeah, yeah.

13 Lords of Dogtown, the first Twilight movie. First Twilight movie. And you guys did a film together, right? Yeah, we did a film with Brian Cox called Prisoner's Daughter. Pete Beckinsale. Okay. Cool, yeah, she's great. She's great. And she's a neighbor. And we do game night all the time. I love that. So these children are...

uh are firing shots as amari has has yeah these adult children of yours well this my son was yeah but the the the daughter was trying to trying to you know engage you know trying to yeah she was trying to be nice yeah yeah thank you cordial she's trying to be cordial cordial and we and we get one of the one of the it's a good one like like

-A pivotal moment? -Yes, agreed. -For our audience with Miguel? -Yeah. Massive. Massive. -A clarifying moment. -I think so. Well, I also feel like this is more information. It's helping sort of, like, color in the picture of who Miguel is and slowly but surely turn the audience

more on his side. - I think like his son sort of represented a lot of what many of our audience thought about Miguel. - Stealing Rebecca. - And there's a whole thing about like we were-- - Or Rebecca stealing him, I guess, from their mother. It's like, oh, that's an interesting inversion. - Yeah, I think that was a device that they used to speak to the audience's idea that I stole Rebecca. They kind of flipped it on its head.

and showed the audience what they were thinking through my son. And then, and that's just ridiculous, right? It's ridiculous that Rebecca stole Miguel, which hopefully started to make the audience feel that it was ridiculous that Miguel would steal Jack, or Jack from Jack, Rebecca from Jack. In one monologue, because our show jumps back and forth through time so much, it all feels so immediate. Like you were married and then you're not, and now you're married, right? Because the way it edits together,

It's like, I don't remember how many episodes ago. It's you realize that.

Jack is dead and you show up at the door and it just feels immediate. - Right, it's 102, the end of 102. - But one excellent piece of writing, expertly delivered, you lay out, "No, no, here's how it went down." - Yeah. - Oh, the timeline. - The timeline for the audience. - Yeah, he says, "10 years after Jack died, we found each other." - Yeah. - Is the line, I think, yeah. - Right. And at this point, obviously at first people had a,

they bristled at the idea of Miguel, Jack's best friend, being with his wife. Then after a while, I feel like it just kind of became fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Miguel can be the bad guy. And it was like, yeah, but you don't really dislike Miguel. Sure. You can't. You cannot dislike Miguel. And you can't dislike him, especially after that monologue. He stands up for his wife. He's like, look, you can give me all the shade, basically, that you want to.

But like, we found each other. We feel like there's one line that I thought was funny because and we feel the hole in each other's lives. I bet you did. Yeah. But sometimes people just match. Sometimes you just perfectly physically. Sometimes you just feel holes. But but he said, you know, for him.

Put some respect on my wife's name. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Show her some respect. If you ain't going to do that, then you can keep her name out of your mouth. You understand what I'm saying? And it was really quite beautiful. Your daughter immediately reaches out and is like, oh, that's on me. One thing in that moment I noticed, she made a choice, my daughter. She only grabbed these three fingers. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know why she did that. Why didn't she grab my pinky? Let me see what that feels like. She just grabbed that. Maybe it's a little easier. I don't know. Is my hand gigantic or something? It feels like a normal size. Yeah, you're thick. Never heard that before. You got thick hands, bro. It's good to have you here. You got thick hands. At the end of the whole thing, again, Omari Michael Ryan Christian Brown says, I quote, son sounds like a real douchebag. I cannot believe.

- You have to have him on the show. Period. - The last time I was here, wasn't he waiting in the lobby? - Yes. - Amari's always circling. He's like, "How do I get into this?" - He wants to be on this. - I feel like when I walked out last time, he was like, "It's about time." - Probably. - He runs my iPad down to like 1% and he's like, "What am I supposed to do now?" I'm like, "Plug it in, bro."

Thank God you're here. I need a cord. Anybody else? Anything else to say about that sort of like Miguel through line? Number three? Let's move into it. Let's move to it. What you got? Yeah. Number three would be what? What do we want to go back to? Do we want to go to Beth and Randall? Present day? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We can do a little B&R. We can do a little RV. I wrote, okay, boxer briefs.

Yeah. Just so you know, note, it's always two pairs. It's a pair underneath a pair because you know people are going to freeze frame you. You're like, come on, man. Just pay attention. Yeah, trying to get the outline. Pay attention to what I'm saying. Does two pairs hide the outline? Sort of just like it just sort of pushes its...

A little bit. Again, watch on YouTube so you can see the gesturing. Are you trying to explain to us why it's flat in the front? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's exactly. Oh, because it was two pairs of over-heels. I have a penis. Oh.

But they try not to show it on NBC at 9 o'clock. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So two pairs of boxer briefs. Makes it look like you don't have a penis. Got it, got it. And then I do this tuck thing. You're a Ken doll. Got it. Got it. Okay, so. I thought Randall walked forward. No. But we...

We then realized that we're trying to understand Beth's role in Randall's campaign. And we understand now that she is a field director. She's a field director. That's what we're calling it. That's the job title. Correct. That she's been given. She's also talking about like, I wonder, does Jay Wan think that I'm doing great? And he's like, dude, you've come up with...

Great idea after great idea. Everything that's been coming up, Rose, there's no need to worry. Fantastic idea. Stupendous. What was the word? Stupendous. Stupendous idea. Wow. But also because she's lost her job, she's finding some meaning, like something to grab onto and contribute and feel like she has purpose. Right. Need something to grab onto. They're going to go. Everything's flat on the front over here. Exactly. Old flat front Randall. Old flat front Randall. Ah!

Sometimes I push back. I was like, guys, why do I have to wear two? And then I put on one pair. People have penises. And then I was like, no, it's too much. It's too much for people. Oh, you had to get that in there. We got to focus. It's too much. My junk is too much. When you don't have a shirt on, no one's looking at your crotch.

- Well, thank you. - That's what I said. - Thank you very much. - That's the okay boxer briefs was more of like, okay, someone's half naked on television. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It was funny too, 'cause Katherine Hardwick was like, what kind of toothpaste are we using while he's brushing his teeth? 'Cause it was an electric toothbrush. And she wanted very much to see more lather coming out of my mouth at a certain point. Like you brush your teeth so much, it gets raw. Have you guys ever had to brush your teeth? - We talked about it on this podcast. - We have talked about this. - You burned your mouth. - The inside of my mouth, and this is the word I'll use,

shluft off shluft off toothpaste because you had it with toothpaste I was brushing my teeth for so long the inside of my cheeks just fell off

I was like, Kevin Hart, we don't need that much laughing. Just carry on. They know I'm brushing my teeth. So we finally got through that. At the end of this scene, it ties in. Tess comes in and is sort of like in a state not feeling great about things. And then, and this will tie in too. I just want to put it all together like Black Pierce and stuff. Deja is...

Her mom sends her a text just being like, Happy Thanksgiving, et cetera. And Dej sees Tess and Beth having a moment with each other and just feeling a little like,

ah, I don't have my mom anymore. You know what I'm saying? Don't have that. There was a little parallel between Miguel and Deja. Give it to me. Well, because Miguel's looking at the family going, I don't have Emily anymore. And then, you know, it's the same. It was kind of, I watched the episode. The Pearsons just making everybody feel bad. And the reason there are so many Thanksgivings while they're so, is because

Most of the family's going off to the homeless shelter. We're going to the shelter to feed. Yeah. And Kate and Toby are staying at your house. That's correct. You guys are coming to the crib to cook. To man the family's meal prep. Yes. While you do the, essentially a campaigning. Yeah. At the homeless shelter. But it's interesting too, because I think Beth is like,

Her whole idea as a field director is like, we're trying to make authentic connections with the community. Right. And then J. Juan is like, yeah, but we kind of need people to see it. We need publicity as well. Right. In order to... This is the double-edged sword of politics, right? But not even politics, but even like what we do to a certain extent. You know, it's like... If it's not captured...

Does it really exist? Did it happen? You know what I'm saying? And if we don't talk about it, will people come and pay attention to it? And for such a long time, you're just like, I just want to do this thing that I love. Yeah. But now this thing that you love, part of your job at a certain, once you reach a certain point, is like letting people know about it. Yeah. So just real quick, how do you all feel about that part of the job? Not a big fan. Speak on it. I'm not really, I don't really, I'm hard, I don't.

I don't plug stuff. I don't talk about it. Like you said, I try to do the work. I don't like the publicity. Going on podcasts. I hate going on podcasts. I hate the publicity, the events, and all the stuff. Press. It's not a huge thing.

Huge fan of it. Yeah. Because it breaks my rules. Because it's usually after six o'clock, right? Or sometimes on weekends. Like I'm off the clock. Sure. You know? So that's one of the reasons I don't like it. And it's just, I'm, I think, a little bit of an introvert. Yeah. So I don't. A little bit. Learn to be an extrovert. You're like an extroverted introvert, would you say? Introverted extrovert. I don't know that. Do you have an outie or an innie?

I didn't wear my two t-shirts to keep my Audi belly button flat against my belly. You said it's like one of those little pop toys. You got to keep it in. You get squeezed, John, if you're stressed, his belly button comes out. What about you? I mean, I don't mind the press. I don't mind the press stuff.

But it is interesting. The parallel I was thinking about is I have a friend right now who's trying to make his first feature. Okay. And he's trying to cast it. Yeah. And he knows all kinds of talented actors. But he's also looking at them IG numbers, bro. And TikTok numbers. And the phrase he has used is, but they have to be a value add. Yeah.

Wow. And I will say this, he's trying to do a movie and he got a lead to do this film that if I said the name, I won't say it now because...

If I said it, you'd be like, oh, so the movie's a go. Right. And you're like, no, even with that man. Yeah. You can tell us after the podcast. Yeah, tell us after. The movie is not a go. Sure. You need- Just say his initials. You need- Are they Liam Neeson? The first initial is Liam. The second initial is Neeson. No, you need three of him or her. Interesting. Right. To make this a thing. And I'm just like, and I'm sitting here going-

You have to be kidding me. Like, what about making a good movie? Right. Not enough. Right. Not enough to win an Academy Award. If people don't see it. What about doing a good thing? No stars. Not enough. Right. What about making an honest connection at a homeless shelter with a family? Not enough.

Not enough. You want to win an election or do you want to feed somebody lunch? Right. Like it's a weird political. It's all. Mandy. Well, yeah, because you've been doing it for a long time, man. Like I'm sure like maybe your relationship has evolved over time from being a kid to an adult. I feel okay with it. I mean, I.

Yeah, I don't mind. I think I've been doing it for so long. I don't mind and I don't mind sharing my life. I think as long as it's on my terms, I don't like when somebody or something else dictates like this is what you have to do or this is what you have to say. That's when you bristle a little bit. Yeah, that's when I'm like, oh, this doesn't feel authentic. Like I just want to share a goofy picture from like my day and not have somebody say like this is...

You know what I mean? Otherwise it doesn't work. Welcome to Delta in-flight system. Exactly. I'm Mandy Moore. Yeah, yeah. It would take me like, you know, sometimes an hour to...

To feel good about what I'm about to put like I'm like working on it. Yeah, we running her Mandy would like take her phone out like And then I'd see the real and I'd be like that's magical. Yeah, it's like she hired someone to like I remember when she had the phone in my face and yours I'm serious. You are just such a natural at like finding the great moment and knowing how to

show the world like you know an organic and authentic moment that's just like i think that people connect to i mean that's why i think you're so good at it so me they're like john to stop that's not you should i think there's some self-esteem i think there's some self-esteem issues for me when i get it for me john for me i get when it comes when it comes to this stuff because it's like

showing up to an event or even posting online. It's like, nobody cares if I post or if I'm there or I get there to the premiere. I get there, I go to the premiere and, and,

And everybody's like, "I'm sorry, what's your, what are you?" Oh yeah, Chris Sullivan, you know what I mean? - Can you see it written on the piece of paper? - There's a thing, it's tricky, it's hard. It's like these little micro rejections that we were talking about. But especially when it comes to social media stuff, I think part of the reason I am so quote, like annoyed, like I see an influencer in the wild or something, I'm like, the confidence.

The lack of insecurity there. I'm here at the new donut shop and you guys, these donuts are crazy. And you're like, you're like,

Yeah. The audacity. Yeah. To just... I was like... I thought I was... I was pulling out of a gas station yesterday and there was an insane person in the car next to me. Ow! Right? What are you guys doing? And I look on his dash and he's live streaming. Totally. In his car. Totally. And he's like, what do you think, chat? And I'm like...

The reckless abandon. Yeah, with which. The pure confidence. The audacity that I have had to cultivate to get on a stage in front of someone and say, look at me. This is worth your attention. Or to go into an audition and say, everybody quiet, watch this. It's like one thing, but like...

All of this extra stuff, like to get that to roll over is hard for me. And then when you see that they've got like 15 million followers, I'm like, I just saw him acting like a goofball in a car and you guys like that? And I'm so insecure about what I'm going to write or post or whatever. Because to see somebody act that way

I don't know, when I see it, I like it. - Yeah, yeah. - When I see it posted. - Sure. - Because it gives me permission to go dance in a waterfall somewhere. - Yeah, exactly. - Go sing in a fountain, like whatever the thing is. - I think you've hit on what I think the key sort of thing is and Mandy Moore, I think understands it, is authenticity. Like if you are using your platform in such a way that feels authentic to you,

then I think most people are gonna respond to it. So it's like that, you know, donut shop thing may not be exactly your thing. - Right. - But if you find your version of it, that's the thing that will draw people in. And then the other part is like on your terms. It's easy to talk about things that you love or easier, I would say. - Yeah. - When you are asked to promote something that you do not love. - Ooh, that's tough. - Oh boy. - Oh boy. - It's like, can we not do that?

You know what I'm saying? 'Cause I don't have too many good things to say about it, and I'd rather just let that cup pass me by. But it is part of the job. Also, it's like, you would like to believe, and this is the thing about the artist and the business of the art, you would love that the art would just speak for itself. You gotta tell the business mandates that you gotta tell people about this. - All art meets commerce. And hopefully, in the most perfect situation, they meet commerce.

on the 50 yard line. Sure. Yeah. Some is more commerce than art. Come on. And some is more art than commerce. Sure. And the stuff that is more art than commerce...

does usually does not get as many eyes. Right. Yeah. And the stuff that is more commerce than art. The stuff I don't want to talk about. Tends to get a lot of eyes. It gets a lot of eyes. And it gets a little less artistic. Yes. You know, and then there's those things that meet in the middle. That's what this show felt like. Yeah. This show was that. Because also too, the lifting of this show was never on one person. Right.

we all sort of got out there collectively to discuss it. And that felt much easier. Because if it falls on one person, it probably, it's heavier. But we had to split it. Like it was all of us. As an ensemble, it was incumbent on all of us. And we all wanted to. It was easy to rise to the occasion and do what we had to do to speak about this. Because like,

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So, okay. That was what I wanted to talk about. We can continue with Beth and Randall. Yeah. To the homeless shelter? They go to the soup kitchen. Toby and Kate stay behind. They bring... Tess doesn't feel well, so she stays behind with Kate and Toby as they endeavor to cook Thanksgiving dinner, which in my mind, I was like, wow, that's

big of Randall because this is his holiday. It's his holiday, but he's also got this job that he's actively pursuing and it's an opportunity for him and his wife to do something together. I think both of those things are like, will supersede, not replace, but like, all right, I have to prioritize doing something with my wife and I said I'm going to do this campaign. So let's do the campaign. So Annie and Deja go with them. Tess stays home with Kate and Toby. J-Wan and Beth are just

Not on the same page. Not at all. They have very different strategies, as we sort of alluded to. Beth is very much of the thinking, like, she changed the venue, right? It was initially supposed to be... At a historic church that is, like, one of the big places. Yeah, Baptist Church. Yeah, and now Councilor Brown is there instead. Yeah, and all of the press has sort of stayed there, and so they're covering that event. Nobody is here at the soup kitchen. Right. J-1's a little bit like, feels a little like...

Why are we even here? For him, why are we here? Kind of. Nobody's going to see it. What role is Beth playing in this campaign? Aren't I the campaign manager? Shout out to Tim Joe. He's like, look, man, this ain't quite right. It's not normally how it goes. You asked me to do a job. I'm trying to do the job, but it looks like you're trying to cut my legs out. Yeah.

Yeah. We got to get him on the show. We really do. He's so fantastic. Tim Jones is a beast. He's a beast. So he's frustrated because he finally then manages to convince a photographer from the church to come over to the soup kitchen to at least document. Real quick, I just want to go through the montage of seeing community service in action, which is really quite lovely, and a reminder to me of like, oh, man.

Like giving back is a wonderful thing. It serves a group of people, but it also gives a wonderful sense of like purpose, right? And in the midst of that, we have a shot of Deja as she's giving food out, seeing her on the opposite side of that. Receiving food. Her and Shauna receiving food. And Shauna saying like, hey man, you can give her another cookie. You know what I'm saying? You ain't gotta be stingy. She's a growing girl. And then Annie saying to Deja on the flip, like you're giving too many. And she's like, no, I'm not.

Yeah. They ain't missing it. You know what I'm saying? Like understanding the game in a way that the Pearsons would never. Would never. Right. Exactly. So J1, you know, is excited. He got this photographer that's going to come and document this experience. Yeah.

And Beth kind of steps in and is like, no, no, this is exactly what we said we weren't going to do. Like, we're coming here to serve the community. We're not here for a publicity stunt. And that's kind of that. She has the final say. It is. Randall says something. Randall says, I don't care if it's a mistake. Thank you.

She's my wife. Yeah. And I was thinking, is that the best choice, Big Randall? It's not the worst. It's just not phrased exactly correctly. Right. Right. And I wonder if, like, for you, did you think, as Randall, Yeah.

What you were saying in the moment, did you even know that was... First of all, she was in earshot. And secondly, did you know... I shouldn't be saying it like this. And did you believe it? And did you believe it, yeah. You know, this is interesting because I asked myself this question as well because I think Brown is more...

All right, if it's good advice from anybody, whether it's wife or outside of wife, I'm going to try to heed it, right? But I think Randall is in a very particular spot with Beth, knowing that she needs this as much, like, you know, as much as I need

us to be together in something, right? And being together in something in his mind is like, I'm going to listen to my wife. I'm going to listen to the person that I share a bed with, that I share a life with, right? And even if it's a mistake, it doesn't matter. Like it's her suggestion, it's her idea. We're gonna follow it through to its end to see how it plays itself out.

I think Brown is different than Randall in that way, because it's like, oh, in the moment, it doesn't seem to make sense. I would probably try to address it, but I actually admire Randall to a certain extent of just being like, no, we're just going to be on one accord and see how that sort of through line plays itself out. Because I feel like I question probably a little bit more. I am, here's a crazy thing. Working with my wife,

scares me sometimes. It scares me sometimes because we like approach life in a very different way with very different energy and they don't always sort of flow like hand in glove. The podcast is a perfect way in which our energies do compliment each other. - The hit podcast, we don't always agree.

Because we get a chance to illuminate our differing perspectives and how we wind up finding some sort of middle ground. But when she was on This Is Us, it was a very interesting feeling because she would be leaving set sometimes as I would be going to set sometimes. I was like,

That works for us. Like that works. I don't mean it in a shady way. Did she acknowledge you when she was leaving? Oh, yeah. We spoke. She honked. Everything was cool. She waved. Everything was totally cool. But so I actually admire Randall for like, you know what? This is something that we can do together. You know what I'm saying? And it takes me a little bit of time to figure out things that Raya and I can work on together that I don't think work.

would be detrimental to our union, but would actually be in service to it. Yeah. Oh, I love that. That's real cool. So that's that. And so then Beth overhears that thing and she goes like, you know, out of all the stupendous ideas that I've had, like how many of them did you really think were great and how many of them were just basically because you throwing me a bone? And he doesn't say anything. Because he was stumped. But he takes too long and she's like, that's exactly what I thought. Yeah.

And I was like, listen, it was such a hard thing to stand inside of because Sterling loves Sue the way Randall loves Beth. I was trying to do right by you, girl. You know what I'm saying? Is this something that you and Taylor ever talk about, navigate when it comes to music? Because music can be so subjective. Like, no, I think this is great. I don't. Or...

Does that ever... Has that ever happened? Like, in terms of something that we've worked on together, she's worked on it. Yeah, like you're writing a song and you're like, I don't really like the way this is going or maybe he does. Yeah. How does that play out? She gets her way! I get my way. You can make this song the way I want it! Well, if it's just not feeling right, then it's something that's abandoned or maybe picked back up and reworked or something. But yeah, I... I get my way. Ah!

He's there in service. He's there to help me. Come on, Aries. But in all fairness, he is. So it's like, he's just sort of like, okay, well, we don't need to do something if it's not feeling. What about vice versa when it's like he is working on tracks for his records as far as like feedback and stuff goes? Oh, well, I'm his biggest fan, so I'm never going to come at him and be like, hmm. Sure. Maybe that bass line could be a little better. You know what I mean? I just didn't know if, I mean, it's,

music especially is such a ethereal like. - It is so subjective. - So personal too, personal. - Yeah. - You're asking the question, but the same would apply to you? - Yeah. - Like how do you and Rach? - We don't get along.

Got it. No. Actually, this was what we talked about in couples therapy last night is that we both have two very different styles at approaching any project. That's what I'm talking about. Okay. And so there was never a more obvious differentiation between the two of us than when we were both asked to host a charity gala together. Yeah. Oh, boy. And they gave us a script. Yeah.

And I said, great. Look at that on stage. And Rachel wanted to run it and rehearse it and rehearse it and rehearse it and rehearse it because she...

She had different anxieties around the process. And she wanted to follow this script to the word. And I'm like, that's not going to happen. We do 87%. We do 87%. I'm like, it's not going to happen. That's not the way I do this. And it was so ironic to be there for a charity and to have these two people kind of battling for how this is supposed to go.

versus how, hey, let's have some fun. Let's raise some money. We get some in the marriage. And so it's like, we were talking about it last night in our session where it was like, so we need to kind of like be a little more...

flexible in those mindsets. We're trying to teach our son that. It's literal four-year-old toddler stuff that gets locked in your brain and you're like, can we teach a toddler how to be a little flexible around his idea of how things should go? And then go, oh, maybe I need to do a little bit more of that too. Yeah.

Maybe you do too. Maybe if we can all do this. Yeah. Okay. We have similar marriages. What about you? You and Nicole seem like you kind of just like. Yeah, you're very locked in. This is me on the outside looking in. Where was Nicole when the turkey was attacking?

she was uh laughing probably no she might have been in like petaluma or santa cruz traveling her word job takes her all over the country now but but feel free to debunk or or sort of agree like you guys seem like it it feels easy it i it does feel easy actually um i think that we both

respect each other's individuality and know that we approach things differently and have learned also through couples therapy in the past and have learned to give each other a little more

like give and take a little bit more like you know she's gonna understand how uh you know how i approach certain things that we might do together um plan together work together i mean i you know her company is is uh doing so well and i support her i think that what we see in each other is that you know there's so much support for what we kind of

do and we're such big fans of each other and I think if something that she's doing is not kind of the way I would do it I'm such a big fan of hers for everything else she does in life especially the way she treats me that do it your way and I'm cool and I'll just you know if something's really bothering me I'll swallow it and I'll just you know say you know

that's going to come out really hard and bad in a couple of months. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Just screaming. No. That does happen every once in a while. Okay. But it is like, you know, you have to sometimes... I feel like sometimes you have to just...

you know, it's a give and take. You have to sometimes just give. I hear you. And so I give her her space. And, you know, she's not an artist, so we don't really interact in those ways. So it's like, you know, with music, with both you guys being actors, with you guys hosting, and also Rachel being a musician as well. Like, you know, Nicole doesn't really do that. We, you know... She stays in her lane. Stay in your lane. Let me do my thing. I stay in mine.

I love it. And we also, one of the things I would say about us, because we, because of her job and now us having, you know, kind of two different places and me working, I mean, as long as we were separated, it was like five months when I was, you know, working on a show in Africa. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've always looked at like that separation as somewhat of a good thing. We never like it. Yeah. But,

when we see each other that we we I love that build up of excitement that we've been a part to to come together and so we never really give each other an opportunity to um uh have like you know that real contention over you know our our approach to whatever we're doing you know what I mean like it's just like I don't care I don't care that you didn't

You know, did you left your clothes all over the fucking floor? I don't care. I don't care. Right. We haven't seen each other for three weeks. Do you see how much I'm not even caring? I'm not caring about all the clothes right now. I don't care so much. I won't even bring it up on a podcast. That's how much I don't care.

I love this. No, it kind of puts things in perspective. You're like, I haven't seen you for five months. This thing doesn't matter as much as us being in each other's presence. Exactly. I got you. I got you. All right, continue. Let's talk a little bit about Katobi at the house. Yeah, yeah. Toby's been kind of pulled out of his depressive slump. Yes. Or is coming out of it. Yes.

and has been, and Kate and Toby are tasked with preparing a meal for the whole. The traditional. Slightly stressful. Slightly stressful. We find out, you know, things like the cranberry sauce is, what do you mean? This is a bag of cranberries. This isn't. Where's the can? Where's the can? No. This is how I make cranberry sauce. How many ingredients were there? There was like 27, 27 ingredients. Including fresh mint from the garden. Yeah.

Randall has an herb garden? Randall has an herb garden. Fuck yeah. And this was a fun... This was a great fun day for she and I in the kitchen. Yes. Like shooting. Yeah. But also...

Whenever you're dealing with food on set, there's a whole new team that comes in. Yes. The food stylists. They're great. The food stylists. Yes. They are great. They are great. 99% of the time. Oh, Lord. They are fantastic. What happened? But in order to present a ruined turkey on set, they just ruined a turkey. Yeah.

By which I mean they blow torched and smashed a raw turkey. That's just food waste, guys.

and brought it on set, and it smelled like napalm death on set. Wow. It was like, huh. It just felt like singed, burned flesh. Yeah, yeah. It was the most bizarre smell that Chrissy was having an extra hard time with. Was she doing the gag reflex thing? Yeah, it was one of those moments where you're like, are we serious? You're serious? Huh. Huh. Huh.

All right. Um,

so yeah it was it was a really action it was a really good day i might this my favorite scene in this episode is you're about to take are you taking a soup i'm taking her some soup you're taking tests oh god because she's not she's not feeling great she's why she didn't come with us today yeah food thing and i come up the stairs with the soup you think she's got a little cold yeah and she comes out of the bathroom with her feminine hygiene product she's got she got pads with

in one hand and like trying to figure out 10 pounds in the other hand she don't know which one is the right choice you had Trey and she looks out comes out of the bathroom she's like ah and you're like oh and just goes down the stairs bruh with the tray of soup I was like first of all it is a deft bit of physical comedy anything in the bowl or not oh yeah

First of all, how dare you? I apologize. We do it sometimes. If you think there's fear of spilling or something like that, you sometimes just mime the idea that there's something inside. I wanted 10% spillage. I wanted a little splash. He had doubles and triples of his costume. I was ready. Triples of his

Put it to the rim. Empty bowl. Get out of here. I want it hot, too. Hot. Great moment because Eris was perfect in the moment. It was just sheer terror.

Yeah. You know, like the first person who sees me holding feminine products is my uncle-in-law. You know what I'm saying? It's like, no, this isn't supposed to be this way. You go back downstairs, it's like, yeah, I think Tess might need you. I like it. I like the playoff. Yeah. It's like, that's it. That's a lady. Yeah, no, no, she's just...

you might want to check on her well thank you sir I had forgotten about that moment and when I saw it I was particularly proud of it because I believe Toby's response is what what what what what what what what what what because it's just Tess screaming

It was sheer magic. I forgot about the what, but. So you go downstairs. You enlist your wife's assistance. Yeah. And she goes up, you know, and she's like, you know, I'll try to handle it, you know. Not necessarily sure if she will be able to handle it or not. That's one of the things. And she tells this wonderful story about when her cycle begins. Yeah. And this guy. Her. His. Go.

- Yes, it's your son. - Andy. - It's your, that's right. It's Andy. And he goes something like, did you- - Already a dick. - Yeah. - Already. - What's he say? Like, did you pee on yourself or something like that? - Did you pee to bed? - Did you pee to bed? - Yeah. - And instead of like sort of retreating, she was like, no, no, I just began my period. Like, you know what I'm saying? - I need a tampon. Do you have one? - Do you have one? - Boom.

And he had probably a similar reaction to it. Can you also see young Kate? You can see it. I kind of wish they'd shot it. They'd actually shot that moment just so you could see Hannah play that thing out. And it was such a wonderful bonding moment. It's like, you know, you're going to be able to deal with these things and this is your first this. And then your boy will have your first kiss with him. And she's like, or with her.

Yeah. Oh, because there's no response. First boy, have first kiss. Right. Yeah. Or girlfriend. Yeah. Yes. Or girlfriend. Boyfriend. Yeah. Or girlfriend. And she's like, yeah, or girlfriend. And it's such good. This is us writing. Yeah. Because you think you're getting one scene. Yes. Like, oh, this scene. I know this scene. And then you get a new information. Yeah. In two lines. Yeah. It was. Oh.

Oh. It was a couple of things, too, because as Kate goes on talking, it was like, you're going to be able to tell your parents, like, you know, they're going to love you regardless, et cetera, et cetera. And it was one of, I felt this as a TV parent. Weird thing, I was like,

Why didn't she tell us? I had that weird sort of feeling, you know? And it's, I think those coming out stories are oftentimes like there's somebody that is easier to say it to first. Of course. Than mom or dad. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like you get it out there first. I think the idea is becoming so antiquated. Yeah. Even since we shot that. Yeah. You mean of coming out or? Having to express to your parents that.

which gender you are sexually attracted to. Yeah. If you talk to a teenager in high school, it's like a non... To a point. I was about to say, we live in Southern California. But what I mean is, there are certain... I don't even necessarily mean regional. I mean, across that generation, it is...

when you think about it. Think about, I never had to tell my parents-- - That you were hetero? - You know what I mean? Like it was never a conversation they needed to be had. And so the idea that those conversations, not only people required them or that they were so traumatizing is becoming an antiquated idea. - You think so? I still think that there is an assumption of cisgendered heteronormativity. - Oh, sure.

There is, but I think he's got a point. I think that, yeah. It's less of an issue. Yeah, it's a little more normalized with, you know, because even the generation before the generation that you're talking about now. Yeah. You know, they've, I think that generation, which is, I don't even know the generations. I'm X, I think. And millennials are now having kids that are old enough to come out as teenagers, right? Yeah. So that...

The millennials, they're a generation that I think started the normalization of being attracted to the same sex or being... Both sexes or... Whatever. Yeah, exactly. Asexuality or whatever it is. And I think that it's just... I think it's a little less of an issue for... A lot of time has passed since Ellen...

came out on her show to the fact that Billie Eilish states in an interview that she likes girls or that Miley Cyrus has identified, like she, I don't remember what she, it's not even news. I don't even know what it is. But it's not even news.

The biggest pop stars working today express something about their sexuality. And people are like, oh. So there's a spectrum of change. Yes. I would say, I have a yes and. I'm not going to disagree. I still, like...

I do think there is a regional sort of differences, right? You remember sort of the surprise that we felt in 2016 after the election? Yeah. Like it was like, it didn't even occur to us in our minds. And I still think that the country is sort of different.

very split sometimes on things in which there's half of the country is like, why are we forcing a liberal agenda into things? And the other half of the country is like, well, this is what progress looks like, is acceptance of all people, how they show up, and just treating them with love, right? I still think that there are pockets of the country where this is not the easiest thing. And I say that because- Oh, no, you're absolutely right. I just think-

in a more general context. Right. Culturally. I think this conversation is less of a big deal now than it was even in 2018. For 13 to 18 year olds. Yeah. I hear you. I don't mean like between them and their parents. I hear you. I mean in their generation. Yes. Amongst themselves. Like when I talk to my friend's kids, they're like,

The fact that older people trip off of this, first of all, is creepy. That you're concerned about my sexual proclivities or whatever it is is like really bizarre to them. And it should be. It's weird. To have a fixation. To have a fixation on it. But amongst themselves, it just isn't the new flow. You're totally not wrong though. But to sort of end this...

The Thanksgiving dinner has been...

Destroyed. Destroyed. Destroyed. Destroyed. Yeah. By Toby. By the food designers. Yes. Kate has been upstairs with Tess having this conversation. Meanwhile, the kitchen has sort of been, I don't know, destroyed. It's devolved into... It is Popeye's, yeah? Yeah. Some Jack Pearson level magic. Jack Pearson level magic. And again, Amari Michael Ryan, Christian Brown sings in the background, love that chicken from Popeye's. Like he's like, does it miss...

A beat. Yeah. You know, he's like, ooh, Popeye's got good biscuits. I was like, yeah, man. They do have good biscuits. Toby fixed the situation by just acquiring some fast food to sort of make up for the ruined meal. Which, let's face it, if I turned up to somebody's Thanksgiving dinner and it was a table of plated Popeyes, that would be the greatest Thanksgiving. I would love it. I'd be totally happy. Speaking of which, so we're at the table. How did Randall feel about it? I don't know.

I don't know. Randall's cool. I think Randall had bigger fish to fry because his wife did give him the side at the table. Yeah. So you could tell that things weren't quite right. Randall was like, I better eat this chicken. You know what I'm saying? Let me just keep my mouth shut from now on. These biscuits are good. We got a chance to see Zoe and Kevin zooming in from Vietnam because they were still there. But I think one of the most beautiful moments of it is

Annie getting up from the table as Rebecca and Miguel come into the house and Grandpa. And you talk about somebody needing a hug. Yeah. And needing to hear that specifically. You know what I'm saying? Feeling a part of. And I think in terms of Thanksgiving, it's a really interesting through line because on our first Thanksgiving, there's like, can I wear the hat?

Sort of thing coming from Miguel and Kevin being like, who do you think he is? And here we are with his grandchildren running up. Because your children have never known anything else. They've never known Jack as a grandpa. This is the only person they've known as a grandpa. Miguel is grandpa.

And it was such a beautiful moment. Yeah, I wrote that down too. It really just tugged at my heart. I was like, yes, Miguel earned this. He deserves this. And then Faith being who she is. The most adorable, the cutest young child in the history. There was no acting. It just makes me smile. Saying that word, looking at me, running at me. Two other Thanksgivings to get to, guys. There's two other Thanksgivings. Oh, my God. Do you want to do William and Jessie real quick? Let's do William and Jessie.

This is their meet cute, guys. They meet cute. William's playing on the piano, what have you. At a meeting. At a meeting, Jesse comes up and they just sort of strike up this lovely rapport. But what I thought was really great is that when they actually go to hang out and they're grabbing a bite to eat,

Jesse starts to sort of give him the boilerplate version of sort of what led him to NA, et cetera. And William Tum's like, yeah, I've heard the story before. Tell me the true story. Right, like tell me the truth of it, right? And Jesse is sort of like... All right, someone can see through it. Somebody can see through, you know... I was really hoping he was going to drop the British accent. I know, I was like, is Dennis going to drop the British accent right now? I'm not even... I'm from New Jersey. Yeah.

But he's just talking about his addiction to cocaine and how it just sort of became all encompassing, what have you. I like the way he said, I love cocaine. Yeah. He did. I love cocaine. It didn't say loved. No. Which I thought was interesting because once an addict, always an addict. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love cocaine.

And there is, I don't want to miss anything in this thing because it's. Well, he said, this is kind of the beginning of the. The courtship. The courtship, but also the reveal that.

William is bisexual. At the very least, bisexual. Right. Well, we knew this back in the first season because Jesse was a part of Christmas. That's right. There's a moment when it was... Before he actually passes away. Oh, so good point. Because Tess is the person that points out to her dad in the Christmas episode. She's like, I think he likes boys and girls. And Randall has a like, what's that now? Yeah. Like sort of moment. But I just love that the idea that Tess is the person who clocked it.

She has gaydar. Interesting. I had forgotten about that. She has gaydar. That's right. There we go. There we go. It's a small thing, but I just think that it's an interesting thing. Well, a young person can see the truth. Yeah, more intuitive. Yeah. And the way Jesse expresses it to William about my wife and I were a complicated mismatch. Right. And then they go to this meal and he says something about, relax, she's my wife.

Cousin. Cousin. Yeah. Yeah. Well, because they're at the... William's like, I'm cool. He invites him to the jam session, right? And like, William's on the piano and everybody's jamming. It's a good time. And he looks over his shoulder and he sees Jesse talking to a very pretty woman. And he's like, oh, okay. Let me just go ahead and do this thing. And that's where the, you know, relax, she's my cousin part comes in. That's right. But I do like his...

his reaction, I'm cool. Yeah. That's Ron. I'm cool. Yeah. It's like, whatever. Yeah. Whatever's clever, bro. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We can get down how you need to. So that's that. Then there's Vietnam. There's Vietnam. Oh, here's a question. Go ahead. Did we know that Griffin was going to play Jack's brother before this episode? That's a really good question. I don't think so. Why? Because what Michael was doing...

Yeah. It was like that, like,

Griffin nailed it. The answer is no. Did Michael know that Griffin Dunn was coming to play him? He looks like a younger Griffin Dunn in that moment. Shout out to casting. Shout out. Let's go. The platoon... Jack taking it all in, goes to Nikki. Nikki's having a mad attitude in his withdrawal. He's just resentful about having been moved from his squad. From where he was, he was fine. Totally.

Totally. It's Thanksgiving. Jack has made sure that the guys have turkey. They've flown in turkey. Yeah, they've flown in turkey. Yeah, he's writing to Robinson who went back home after he lost his leg. And Nicky, he's been tasked with fixing the barbed wire, right? Yeah. And Jack points out that one of the women in the village, her little boy, got his foot caught on the wire and got all cut up.

And he decides that he wants to go and sort of like address that, right? Like take care of little boy, look at the wound. And he has Nikki come with him and like basically gives him an order to clean and dress the wound because Nikki was a medic. That's sort of his job before he was Article 15. They also talk about like at the dinner table at the Thanksgiving dinner, one of the other medics says,

Somebody asked, like, what's the deal with your brother? And this brother says, like, medics see a lot. Like, we scoop guts back into people's bodies, et cetera. Like, while you guys go off and do the next thing, we're cleaning. So he's talking about just the trauma of what it means to be a medic in America.

In wartime, yeah. Seeing the aftermath of what the VC are doing to fellow Americans, fellow brothers that you're serving with. Right. And how that would affect him differently than the shooters at the front. And so when Jack asks him, so we've seen this little boy a couple of times and his mom and Jack will go to help with Carrie Watt or something. And then I think what I would assume is her dad is like, stay away.

Just leave us alone. Right. Every time that Jack tries to sort of insert himself, the dad sort of gets a little vociferous in that way. And so eventually he goes in and he asks, like, can I see your son? Foot is infected, cut wide open or whatnot. And so he gets Nikki to come help. He's like, this little boy is going to grow up and try to kill me. I'm not going to help him.

And Jack's like, "It's a boy." And it sort of goes to that age old thing. If you could go back and kill young Adolph, would you do it? And it's like, he hasn't done anything yet. - Yeah. - Like there's still innocence. There's still a possible opportunity. But then the question is, but if you know

would you? And like, from Nicky's perspective, he's like, I know who the little boy's going to be. I'm not doing it. And so Jack ultimately winds up sort of like pouring, you know, alcohol on it to try to disinfect it and just handle it himself. And then he goes and has this conversation with his brother, like, what?

What is up, man? It's a little boy. This is a village of women and children and old men. Like, what are you talking about? And then he tells him the story. Go. So who, who, who, who has the best? I mean, it doesn't, he says to, to Jack, you know, you know, in the, where he was stationed before, like there was a, his captain who he loved bones, right? He, uh, everybody. Yeah. To care everybody. And then, uh, and it was taking care of this, uh, woman, right. Old woman. Oh, woman. And, uh,

You know, somebody came and threw basically an explosive and blew Bones away. And it was the old woman's brother. The old woman had told her brother where to find the captain. And if you cut the head of the snake off, then the rest of them were going to be... And so... And Nikki's like, here's my point exactly. And I thought that was interesting, him telling that story about the old woman. And I can only imagine that Nikki seeing the old man always...

Saying, stay away from my daughter, stay away from my grandson that Nikki sees in that old man, the capability of what that, the capability that he could say to someone, you know, blow these guys up. They're not just old men. Exactly. Not just women and children. And also, and making a point that that kid will also...

grew up to despise us. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You see a little bit of it in episode before with Jack just saying like, "You're a good guy or you're a bad guy, bow." Right? - Right. - And you think like the ambiguity of that war in particular of just trying to figure out who are you here for and who are you here against

And it not being clearly delineated at any point or given time. And just comes. Yeah. Why does the U S think what's, why do you think what's best for us is, is,

your intervention and your democracy. - Up to your jurisdiction. - Why do you think what you think is better for our people than what our own people think? 'Cause I think there are a lot of South Vietnamese that were conflicted even in that war, the US is even there, destroying our villages, our country, our people. - And the way that war was fought was different from anything we'd encountered before or since. - Yes, absolutely. - But the campaign in any war

you know, to dehumanize the people that you are up against. Right. Is a type of self-inflicted mental warfare that we put on ourselves. Yeah. And that the other side, I mean, whoever we are... Against. At war with is doing the same thing. Right. Because...

It's not easy to kill another person. No. Another person. So you've got to dehumanize them. But if you dehumanize, and that comes from the top. Yeah. You are trained to dehumanize. Then you can do, quote unquote, your job. Right. Also, just narratively, on behalf of Nikki, sort of illuminating that perspective, because I think we as an audience are conditioned to believe Jack is always right. He just sort of says, like, look, bruh.

You see it this way. I've had an experience that allows me to see the world in a different way. So you can stick to yours, but don't try to force your thing on me. It's true. And this story basically ends with

The mother being grateful for Jack helping her boy, and she gifts him her necklace. Right. Which is the origin story of this necklace, which answers the question for the audience. Yeah. Where did the necklace come from? Where did the necklace come from? Who is this woman? It's like, well, this is exactly who this woman was. Yeah. And that moment was just captured. It was a random moment captured. It's not like they were particularly close. Right, right. But she gifted him the necklace, which he then gives Kevin.

Yeah, because in the episode before, didn't we see, is it this episode or the last episode? Episode before, we see the origin of jewelry. Yes, exactly. Yeah, and then we see it's all over the place. Every market. That they're not special. They were mass produced. Right. That they're everywhere. But that one was special because of who gave it to them and under the circumstances. But not as special as Kevin suspected it was. Sure, yes. Exactly. It's a good episode.

- Good episode. - It's very full, lots going on. Like everything's moving forward in the future to sort of an understanding of Miguel and Rebecca's relationship. - John Huerta's delivering one of the pivotal monologues in the series. - Absolutely. It's the beginning of the...

tension between Rebecca between Beth and Randall oh yeah you know what I'm saying we know that Tess has come out to her aunt it's nice to see Toby in a healthy enough space to be able to handle a stressful situation it's stressful but it is being handled you know what I'm saying like

Everything feels so full when you watch the show. There's not a lot of fat on the bone. Yeah, this was not a filler episode. 7, 8, 9, 10 feels like the beginning of a new movie. Yeah.

Yeah. Even though we're halfway through season three, which we're at the halfway point. We're at the halfway point. We are smack in the middle. Smack dab in the middle. Smack dab of the series. Yeah. Yeah. It feels good. Guys, should we thank our guest host, Mr. Huertas, for joining us? Thank you, John. Come back all the time. All the time. Please. There's not a big enough couch because if we have another person on this.

This is all wrapped up. A lot going on over here, Jack. Let me put that there just in case. I'm wearing double underwear right now. I'm good. I don't need an iPad. Please be watching this on YouTube, guys. Please. John, will you look right over there and give us a That Was Us? That Was Us.

Guys, it's time for our favorite segment, our fan segment. And as we are digging through our emails from listeners, we came across one about the music that's featured in the sixth Thanksgiving's episode. The music in the show has been something that we talk about a lot on this podcast. And it's amazing how certain songs can hit so deeply and bring up so many emotions. This email comes from Tracy in Ohio who reached out to share what song in particular really moved her. All right, this is her email.

I just finished watching the second episode of That Was Us, and I loved the conversation with Dan Fogelman. I enjoyed hearing about the writers and their process because This Is Us had such phenomenal storytelling. I had one question that I wish you would have touched on with Dan. Who would oversee the music selection for the show?

I always loved how well music was paired with moments on the show, and I wanted to know how music was chosen. I vividly remember the events of my day when the season three episode, Six Thanksgivings, aired. I remember being incredibly overwhelmed by the day and anxious about what was to come in the following days. That night, as I watched your show, the song 42 by Mumford & Sons played at the end of the episode.

There was just something about the storyline of that episode, that song, and the events of my day that left me inconsolable that evening. It was as if that song and your show gave me permission to just let it all out. To this day, when I hear that song, I am transported back to that evening and the emotions that came with the day. There are so many moments from your show when I thought, oh my God, that is the

perfect song, but that one in particular will always be significant for me. Thank you to everyone who helped bring This Is Us to life. I don't think we will ever see something so magical again. With sincere appreciation, Tracy from Ohio. I love that. Thanks, Tracy from Ohio. We agree. So Dan picks a lot. He does. There's a music supervisor who oversees the procurement and placement of all the songs, but in our case...

the creator of our show has a deep, deep love for music. He does. Yeah. And so he had probably a bigger hand in music selection. Than most creators or showrunners do. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I think Dan sometimes would write specific scenes with songs in mind. Really? With music in mind. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's this episode too that the first, is it the first John Prine song that shows up in this episode? I think you're right. Yeah. True.

John Prine, being my favorite musician of all time, was a fan of the show and reached out to the show and asked if he could put a song on the show. Get out of here! And it's the Vietnam song. And it's his most famous song, Angel from Montgomery. But it's...

It was the modern day elderly version of himself re-recording the song, which I had not heard. I hadn't heard that either. Until our episode. Yeah. But yeah, I was constantly moved. I mean, some of the songs from our show are in Bear's nighttime playlist. Like, the music on this show is incredible. Yeah. Between the score and then the musical selections, it just, yeah, it really was another character on the show. Should we do a live show somewhere in a theater where we play a bunch of music? God, God.

You guys, if you do it, I'll fake play the piano. No, no, no. Like Randall. No, you'll have to sing. You can sing Brian Tyree Henry's song. I was going to say he could sing, do you know the price of war? Do it.

Yeah. And that one. Listen, because I'm a team player, whatever you guys need from me, however I can be of support, that's what I'll do. You're going to do both of those songs. Metaphorically, I will be playing the tambourine. That's right. Metaphorically. That's right. But I got your back. All right, cool. Is that the end of this episode? That's it. You sing that song. Guys. We love you guys.

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