Ep 1008 | The Truth About Phil & the ‘Duck Dynasty’ Hawaiian Episode
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I am unashamed. What about you? Good afternoon, everyone. This is a special edition. Afternoon version. Afternoon delight. Afternoon with the Unashamed Nation. Welcome back to Unashamed. Jason and I have magically reappeared in the lair.

We're back. We ran out of the car room. They said, we're busy. You've overstayed your welcome is what we got. So, Zach, you might have to talk to the powers that be. Actually, they were doing some filming. No, I want to make an announcement. What we have become, we have become podcast gypsies. Yes.

Nomads. We're nomads because this world is not our home. So we're moving around. We're getting kicked out. I'm not sure if we're having a pay rent, but for these. Well, that happens. We know we can always come here because this is our final enclave. That's a rent-free place that you're in now. Well, that's good to know. In-town location is not rent-free.

There's a lot going on up there. There's all kind of little things. The other day we were recording, Sadie was recording. So I brought some, it was good though, because I was able to bring out some lunch for mom and dad and Aunt Ann's in town and check on them. Dad's having a good day. He was doing well. Mom had a little bit of a injury, a bobo injury. So we were having to deal with that. Yeah.

Yeah. It's part of the situation. But we do appreciate the prayers. I've had many people reach out. I've had so many notes about the 1000th episode. Jace, a lot of people loved your dad impersonation because you did a whole film. Did I do one? Yeah. I guess it must have been on that episode because I've been getting a lot of notes about it. I'm kind of sad. Belly laughs was the one I got this morning. We are laughing belly laughs with Jace imitating your dad.

Well, everybody's always said I was most like my dad just because of the hunting and the duck call situation. But in actuality, that's about as far as personality-wise as we're alike on that. But I do, you know, every year I've been hunting with my dad since I was about eight years old. So it has been a kind of weird nostalgia thing.

deal and duck season we aren't hunting quite as much because i'm like i think through wisdom i realize when it's 85 degrees and you're in louisiana yeah might as well sleep in so you're starting to think like a yellow lab now on my lab illustration so i'm super excited because today uh tonight i'm i'm speaking to

here in our region, which you and I both, Jay, have the mindset if something comes up locally, we usually say yes, because we like being able to do what we do out there across the Fruited Plains here in our local town. Well, and this community has been very supportive for our family. They've been outstanding. And we grew up here. And so they asked me to come speak at a men's event tonight in Ruston, which is where you and I were both born, in Lincoln General Hospital.

And so it's my hometown. And I grew up my first four years before Jace came along, was in a couple's housing that used to be on the university. And they called it back in those days. They don't anymore. They called it Vetville.

And the reason why is because they were barracks built for veterans of World War II. Oh, wow. That happened to be right there close to the campus. Well, the campus eventually took them over once the war was over. And that became couples housing. And I have just very vague memories from being about four years old of living in Vetville. And you can imagine what they look like. They were barracks.

Built during World War II. Yeah. It's so crazy hearing you talk about this now because I was told at an early age that I was born –

on the side of the road in Ruston that they just pulled over, which I didn't realize they were kidding. And they never like revisited that story. They just left you to deal with that. I'm like 30 years old, given my history somewhere. And my mom and dad hear me say that I was born on the side of the road as they were traveling through Ruston. And they said, I've never heard. Where did you get that from? I said, I got it from you. Yeah.

Phil said, we were kidding. Actually, that's a true story. I literally thought I was born. Speaking of nomads. Yeah. We pulled over, gave birth. Phil was fishing somewhere. He always tells the story that he was on the Red River running a trout line. But I didn't know. I thought, meanwhile, I'm on the side of the road and you're having this labor and delivery thing.

And Phil was like, no, we were embellishing the story for effect. I mean, we only stayed there a short time. There's a problem here. Well, you know what he did to me? And I just realized this recently. So we had this, I told this story on the Not Yet Now podcast. I think I've told it on this podcast. How's that working for you, by the way? Yeah. Not just now. Not just now. Not yet now. Not just now. Not yet now.

now not yet now i'm sorry i said not just oh it's doing really well it is doing very well thank you jace uh well when y'all get me ready for the because you can fight on there right it's an argument yeah yeah you come on spard like we're just gonna yeah i mean he'd let your hair down i mean yeah

Just treat Jace like a hostile witness when he comes on your podcast. I actually have my hair down for the record for the people listening. But go ahead. Do we want to have just a – we should have just a good old – let people see what a real family brawl looks like. Well, they've seen it a few times on here. Well, we wear kid dolls on here a little bit. But we're a little softer on here, yeah. Yeah, we haven't gone full bore. We don't want to scare people.

What was, where was I going? You said a story. I told a story that was a true story of the first time Phil saw the ocean. And, uh, but that's what he told me. I said, do you, have you ever seen the ocean? He said, no. And, and he said, no desire. And so I take, well, um, the fans pointed out that there was an episode of duck dynasty where he went to Hawaii and,

And that happened before, but, but he had told me in that moment. So I didn't, I don't know. I didn't put it together, but he actually did say I'd never, whatever it was, didn't register enough with him. So it kind of ruins the whole story now. Well, but maybe my dad, he wore shades for about 30 years.

So maybe he had his eyes closed when he was in Hawaii. Well, and the truth is that his whole thing, his whole storyline on the Hawaii episode was him not leaving the room. That was true, wasn't it, Jase? He did not want to ever leave the room. You're in one of the most beautiful places on the planet. He just stayed in that room. And Jase and I forced him to go with us and ride around a golf cart for nine holes while we played baseball.

a beautiful golf course that was there just to see it i was like dad you gotta at least see it i mean the almighty made such an amazing i've told this before people don't believe it but doug dynasty my dad was not in on the plan he they just got him and just worked around whatever he was doing he was never in on the plan i mean they basically told phil we'll pay you to go to hawaii yeah he

He said, okay, that's about as far as it went, as far as the plan. And just so you know, the Hawaii part of it, which all of us would be like, oh, wow, we're getting paid and we get to go to Hawaii? He's like, no, I don't care about Hawaii, but I do like getting paid. Well, so he showed up. And you're like, well, how did they film him? They said, Phil won't leave his room. And somebody said...

that's what we film. And they're like, what is he doing? And they're like, he's watching the born trilogy over and over. So, so, so let me just give you a little insight. They, he did watch born some, but on the episode, they got him the whole time. Here's what he was really watching more than born. Cause I was in his room. Sometimes I just felt bad for mom. He was watching these murder movies.

Things like, I don't know, 40? Fate line. Yeah, like those. Like 48 hours. So I was getting depressed. I'm in the most beautiful place on the planet. I would sit there and watch two of them, and I'd be like, Dad, can we watch SportsCenter? Well, that answers a lot. That's why I didn't go out of the room. Because if you watch that over and over again, you're scared somebody's going to knock you in the head when you walk outside. That's exactly what happened.

So that's crazy. So anyway, so I'm super excited tonight because anytime you go back to your hometown, you're always wondering...

And I was only there four years. And, Chase, you were raised – you didn't live in Ruston because we were already moved to Johnson City. It was the side of the road. The side of the road to Johnson City. But I just feel like even though this will be a whole new generation of men because it's a men's event, it's just a way to go back to your hometown and say, look, here's what God has done.

you know, with us, with our family, with me, and obviously a lot of it, they already know, but it's just, it's fun to be able to do that and take the gospel back. And you always kind of wonder how you'll be received in your hometown. There's always a little bit of, you know, are folks going to relate to you? Are they going to listen to you? So I think they'll do well. Well, you remember, uh, I think it was in Acts 19, what led us to go to Ephesians when Paul was having opposition. Now I'm thinking of this off the top of my head. And, uh,

You know, there was a conversation as he slept. Where was that at? And the Lord told Paul, I have people in this town. Oh, yeah. Where was that at? Was it Acts 19? You know, we'll have to find it real quick. But I've always thought about that as in, I want to be that person in my hometown.

Which, you know, I came to Christ. I mean, this was part of my- If somebody was having a conversation with the Almighty, you would be one of the people who said, no, I got some folks. I got some people. I've always felt- I got people. We'll find that verse. I think it's in chapter 19 somewhere. I vote. But let's find the verse and read it. Because I feel like what we're trying to do, even on this podcast, is we represent-

Jesus at the right hand of God through his spirit. We, in essence, have become Jesus on the earth. Well, it starts in your house, branches out to your workplace, to your community, which is another reason why we're always open to do things in our community. I shared the story about three days at ULM, and this is our community. We want to be Jesus people here, and we want all the listeners to be those people where they're at. So-

I think that's a pretty good segue to where we were. That's good. Unless you have anything else that we never found the verse. How can we not find that verse? He fell into a sleep. He was getting persecuted. Did I have people in this town? I got it. I got it. It's 18. He was in Corinth of all places. I remember where it was on the page. So look, one night, this is 18.9.

One night, the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision. Acts 18, 9. Do not be afraid. Keep on speaking. Do not be silent, for I am with you and no one's going to attack and harm you because I have many people in this city. There you go. Little red letters in Acts 18.

Words right from the Lord to Paul. I have people in this. So you want to be those people. That's what I would say. Is the point. Yeah. That's when this becomes real to you. That's right. Whether you're at Walmart or, you know, you're getting your oil changed or you want to be that person. Right. In that moment to look for those opportunities.

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You took us there, Dave. Any other reason than we're in Colossians 3, we've heard the glorious story of Jesus and how we participated in that. We died and we were raised. And through that, we became new people. Right. Not just that, we became new creations. But we became a new humanity today.

as being a part of the body of Christ, the kingdom of God on earth. And I think if you could say the arch of it, what was it, which I thought you brought this out when you first introduced it, it was the mind. It was because all these things start in the mind, right? The idea of immorality and lust. And so it was all about our minds. And of course, later I got to look at this after we did those podcasts, Jase, he switches from the mind to the mouth.

Because he talks about all the language. That's where I was going with this. Look, so the reason we did that was because most of the time in our Christian organizations, and I mean that word in quotations, we tend to think sex is way worse than speech. But he basically, those are the two biggest things he says must be put to death as new creations, new humanity arise.

as a whole and what we're representing. It's a safe place on the earth to go. Right. That's what we should be. In our marriage to Christ as the body of Christ, it should reflect in our society, this is the safe place. Right. So he's like, and he doesn't just say, work on this. He's like, put to death. Right. Think extermination. Right. I mean, it's very graphic, put to death. Yeah.

But what I found fascinating is when you think about this, these things are gifts from God, sex and speech. Think about it. So it's not that he doesn't want you to use those things in a beautiful way. It's all about context. Right. In the marriage relationship between a man and woman, which we talked about, what's a beautiful thing? Right.

So is speech. You're going public with any speech. Correct. But when you think about it, the abuse of either one, think about how much damage they can cause. So, I mean, if you have somebody lie or gossip in the church, it causes tremendous damage. All you need is an accusation these days. The next thing you know, you're... So I think

Putting it in perspective, it's not like he's doing this to try to shame them or motivate them through judgment. Because you have this verse in verse 6, because of these, the wrath of God is coming. I mean, we're all going to be held accountable for what we did with the life that God has given us. Right. But he's more saying...

Look how much damage that causes in your representation of the body of Christ. Either one of those things. Because most people think sex is a private thing.

But it always, when it's immoral sex, it affects people in different ways, the consequences of that. You think of all the scandals that happen. Even in the family. I mean, if a guy cheats on his wife, it's going to affect the entire family dynamic. It's going to affect the entire kingdom. You cannot do this.

and not be affected and have the consequences not play out. And all your relationships. I wanted to read this from Matthew 15 because in the context of Matthew 15, Jesus is debating and going back and forth with Pharisees over not washing their hands. That's what starts it. And then Jesus says something amazing to them.

He says this, he calls the crowd after he does the back and forth with the Pharisees about eating with unclean hands. He says, listen and understand. This is verse 10. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him unclean, but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him unclean. And then he explains it more to the disciples in verse 17. He said, don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and out of the body?

But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart. This is that connection to mind to mouth. And these make a man or woman unclean. For out of the heart comes evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander, all the things that Paul's talking about in Colossians. These are what make a man unclean.

But eating with unwashed hands does not make him unclean. So he's making a point about a particular argument they had, but the overarch is what Paul's making in Colossians 3. And that is if you want to have these dynamic relationships, if you want to have the peace that we're going to get into later in this text and the things that come out of that and the forgiveness and all those things, you have to have a new mindset first.

And the way you look at things and the way you think about things, and then that will flow into even what you say and what you do. So it's a pretty powerful context. So where I went with this in our prep, because now we're talking about this putting off the old and putting on the new. Well, it led me to Galatians 3 because he does a similar thing in Galatians. And even in the same context, part of the...

this hollow philosophy that was going around at Colossae. It was kind of contrary to Galatians, which was really just about them trying to have this Jewish nationalistic identity with Jesus. They're like, okay, you got to be circumcised.

To show that you're a Jew and believe in Jesus. And boy, he was scathing in that. In Galatians 1.6, he's like, if anybody preaches to you a gospel other than the one of Jesus, let him be eternally. There's no Jesus plus. Yeah. Then he doubles down. It's like can't be anymore.

bold about that. But when he gets to Galatians 3, I found it interesting about this idea of putting on and putting off. In Galatians, he actually does it a little differently because, and just to kind of set up the context, in Galatians 3, 1 and 2, he said, you foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes, Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like

to learn just one thing from you. And now listen to what he says. Did you receive the Spirit?

by observing the law or believing what you heard. Because he's cornering them into this idea that you can somehow keep a law that you're going to be justified by God, even though it was an old law that was instituted by God. He was like, things have changed when you heard the good news of Jesus. It's now by grace you've been saved. And he goes on to say that. And just to read background-wise, 13 and 14,

I read the whole book of Galatians last night when I was studying this, but just to kind of pick up the context, in 13 and 14 he says, or I'll start in verse 12 of chapter 3, the law is not based on faith. On the contrary, the man who does these things will live by them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, which is similar language to Colossians 2 where he says through the cross he nailed the

the rules and regulations, the law to the cross. And it says, for us, for it is written, cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree. He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith, here it is again, we might receive the promise of the Holy Spirit. And so then to skip down to verse 23, because I'm trying to get to 27.

It says, before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

And then he says this, which is where I was going with this. You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus have, here it is, closed yourself with Christ or put on Christ. So in this letter, it's a little different in that you're putting off the old and you're putting on the new. You're a new creation. You have a new life. Here he's like, you're putting on Christ.

Jesus, like close. Yeah. Which I think is interesting. And then he says the same thing that he says in Colossians 3. 11. He says in Galatians 3, 20, where am I at? 28. 28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And then he kind of goes into this

You were a slave, yeah, now you're a son. And kind of the difference in the old law with guardians and trustees in the Old Testament and with, he gets to chapter 4, verse 6 and says, because you are a son, because you are sons, God sent the spirit of his son into our hearts. Well, then when he gets to chapter 5,

He literally does the same thing he does in Colossians. He gets to verse 22 and he says, the acts of the sinful nature are obvious. Sexual immorality, impurity, debauchery, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, all these things that you're to put off. Fits of rage, selfish ambition,

dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you as I did before, those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Now look, same language. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified, put to death, the sinful nature, the sinful flesh of

With its passions and desires, since we live by the Spirit, let us keep and step with the Spirit. And just to conclude this, because he makes the circumcision reference in Colossians 2 tied to baptism,

When he gets to chapter 6 and verse 13, it says, not even those who are circumcised obey the law, yet they want to be circumcised that they may boast about their flesh because they're like, we have this identity. And then verse 14 says, may I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ.

through which the world has been crucified to me and I to the world. So not only is it an old death, it's an old creation. You're now part of a new world inside a world that's been crucified. It's dead to you. I just think it's very incredible how those two letters have the same kind of themes in different ways. What's your favorite Christmas movie, Jace? You got a...

One you really have to watch every year? I kind of like Christmas Vacation. We watch it every year. That's pretty funny. What about you, Zach? What's your favorite one? Oh, favorite. Is Die Hard a Christmas movie? Oh, here we go. Oh,

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slash unashamed. Go do this. You won't regret it. Yeah, Ephesians as well. I mean, and I would argue the book of Romans. I mean, it's interesting that when I grew up studying these letters that Paul wrote, how much I never factored into the equation this conversation about Gentiles being grafted in.

As if it was, oh yeah, that whole thing, it was like, almost that it was irrelevant to the discussion. But in Galatians, you know, chapter one, he says, if anyone preaches to you another gospel other than the one that we preach to you, let him be eternally damned or eternally condemned or depending on which translation you're reading. There's another gospel that was being proclaimed. And then the entire letter is about this eradication of differences between

Gentile and Jew, slave and free, male and female, we're all one in Christ, identity found in Christ. And I think what you just kind of went through, the reason why that's important is because it expands

our understanding of the gospel from more than just I'm forgiven for my sin. And I mean, that's typically where we've left it in the church is that what is the gospel? Jesus died for my sins. So yeah. So that what? And we talked about this in the last podcast that it's so that we could commune with him and then with each other. That's the whole thing here. So when you read Galatians 3 and he says in, and this is in verse 8,

In you shall all the nations be blessed. Why throw this in here? Because it's just some kind of, this is the core of the text. The gospel is bringing forth

all types of people into communion with the one true God, the triune God, and then with each other. That is the point of it. And so when you get to that part in Galatians chapter five about the acts of the sinful nature and then by the opposite of that, the fruit of the spirit, what's the big difference between the two?

Why does sin lead to death? Romans chapter three, you know, the wages of sin is death. Why, why, why does sin, why are the wages of sin death? Because left to your own vices left to yourself, you will turn inward and you will serve yourself and you will die of atrophy. He will just wither up into nothing that is not reflective of the nature of God. What is reflective of the nature of God is something that goes out and

in service unto meeting the needs of others, this thing we call love. And that's why the picture here is a picture of vibrancy when it talks about the spirit. So the killing off of the flesh and the doing away with the sinful nature and the crucifixion of the self, it's not necessarily like I'm going to will this up.

and I'm going to master some type of holiness in my own effort, and I'm going to do this. That's not the picture that Paul's painting here. The picture is I'm actually dying to that old way. I'm dying to the thing that was killing me so that I may live with

with Christ by the power of the spirit. I'm dying to self-centeredness and selfishness and to that black hole of consumption. And instead I'm, I'm walking in the spirit. And because of that, I'm becoming a fountain that overflows into life, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, goodness, self-control. There's no logins, those kinds of things. You can't just program as Christianity. You can't make it about, uh,

well, we're just going to do this. We're going to do the 12 steps. We're going to do the eight principles. We're going to do the, this, the, that, the other to somehow think that we can manufacture this kind of life change. I mean, it has to be a complete submission and without the spirit's presence, it can't be accomplished. Not for the long term. It's so weird. We're all getting into how do you explain this practically? And so in my simple mind, to me,

Here's the first thought I had when I read all that Galatians last night. I thought there was two thoughts I had. One was, you know, when you sleep with someone that's not your wife, fill in the blank, you basically take your clothes off.

At some point, or that's not going to happen. Whatever, you know, it just won't work. So. Thank you, James, for the 101. Well, I said simplistic, but you know, and of all things. The clothes have to come up. Okay. We got used to illustrate that. He's like, but you put on Jesus. Yeah. That's a good point. Clothes yourself.

With Jesus, because look, that is the hardest. Which takes you back to that ultimate intimacy concept you were talking about in the last podcast. Well, and what it takes me back to is I didn't have new clothes until I was a teenager.

Because we were so poor. Is that not true? You're right. And most people, I'm the oldest, so like the oldest would get something new and pass it down. I had something passed down to begin with. Oh, exactly. Let them pass down two more times. There were no new clothes. There were no new creations. But my mom, in her plan here, thought, well, these boys will need to get a date in order to get married.

And so all of a sudden, and maybe we were making a little more money by the time I was a teenager. I remember she bought me some penny loafers, which back then they'd put a penny in the little slot. And I was like, this is the dumbest thing ever.

And you didn't wear socks with it. You had to, it was. So I went through that trend for, you know, a couple months and I just felt like a fish out of water. But because my mom was giving me these new clothes to like, which I didn't understand why, but I saw now I look back and see how her brain was working. It was like.

They need to attract attention. But she was trying to give me a wardrobe makeover. Yeah. And I'm just...

I did not comply. I tried it for a couple of months. If only it had a Spanish doubloon to put in there. Yeah, I just said, you know what? I've just got to be me. But the penny loafer thing, I think I'd rather make fun of people who are wearing penny loafers than actually participate. But I don't know why that popped into my head. But I was just trying to say that, okay, the only motivation that's going to work, because I think as a man,

even though he linked these as far as consequences and damage in your speech is just as vile and destructive to the church and your family. If you're lying, gossiping,

What other things can you do? Or being hurtful or abusive in your speech. Slander. Yeah. He has all this lumped together, like speech and sex are two major things. Now, he also mentions greed, which is another thing. He ties that to idolatry because you're basically, I think, back in their day, they had all these gods around.

And they were trying to get blessed financially and all that and playing along with those gods. Some of it was tied to sexual immorality and they had goddesses of sex. Their economics, it was an agricultural type situation and they believed if you had sex, outlawed.

out under these false idols that it would increase your crops, which was your money. Which is why it says that, because it's a weird thing to say, which is greed, which is adultery lumped up into the sexual connotation. But if you read the history, you're right. They had it all tied together. And plus, Chase, when we were in Acts, we were looking at every temple, whether it was Diana, Artemis, all these ones. It was always based in sex and somehow appeasing the God. ♪

So Jace, as we get a little bit older, would it be fair to say we appreciate good sleep maybe now more than ever?

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Really just an excuse, I think. Well, it's just like that today. Look, look, today we don't have the in North America. There's not a whole lot of people bowing down to some physical temple or having sex in front of it. But it's the same problems. Money, lying, money.

sex. I mean, that is rampant in no matter what culture you live in. How did they know this 2,000 years later? Yep, it's the same problems of impulses and selfishness and giving your life to this. But what I find fascinating is he's saying this is not rule-based. It's not because these people were getting confused because they were saying, okay,

well, you just desire is bad. They were attacking the very gifts. They were like, you can never have sex, or even if you do with your wife, you can't enjoy it, which is you think, but somebody come up with that. Look, there's people today saying the same thing. There's groups of people saying, you can have sex with your wife if you're trying to have a baby, but any other time, that's out. So they tried to attack the desire itself when he's saying that

You're a, this is what I made you for. Speech is a good thing. It's a gift that he's given us for you to be able to communicate. And sex is a good thing. This is how the world's inhabited. You're these children, which he's fixing to get into the dynamic of, in which he changed the whole Roman structure in Jesus, which is really his point. That's why there's so much debate over all this. It seems like harsh language, but,

When you read, oh, wives, submit to your husbands. And they're like, what? But all of what he's saying was turning the Roman culture and their idea of families on its head. It was like in love and respect your wife and don't be harsh with them because they kind of had this patriarchal system where the father can do whatever he wants to do, good, bad, or indifferent. He could even kill his children if he wanted to, which sounds crazy, but

And so I think that was his motivation was to say, look, you have Jesus inside of you, just like he did in 1 Corinthians 6. When you go into the bedroom with this prostitute, you're bringing Jesus there with you. Well, that's the true way to overcome that temptation is to realize it's not, you're not like, let me check my rule book.

I have the spirit of the King of Kings in my body. And so in that moment, that is the way you love Jesus more than you do that impulse. To your point, and I think it was a very good point that we should hammer on, that we are not told to kill our desire. You're right. And I grew up hearing that. And we talked about it a lot on this podcast. Desire is not the enemy.

If it were, then why would it say this in Galatians 5, 16? But I say walk by the Spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh for the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit.

And the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh. So the Spirit has desires. The Holy Spirit has desires. So we can't attack desire itself. What we have to attack and get rid of are the desires of the flesh so that we can properly align our desires together.

with the desires of the spirit. And when the word flesh used here, it doesn't mean necessarily the physical body. It just means the things of the sinful nature. That's what it means. For these are opposed to each other to keep you from doing the things that you want to do. But if you're led by the spirit, you're not under the law. And then he goes and juxtaposes these two. But I think there is true liberation here

And there's a renovation of the heart that can happen when we submit to the spirit. And that renovation of our heart is it means it's a renovation of what we want. It's a renovation of what we desire. It's a renovation of what we long for. So the trajectory of the walk in Christ by the spirit, when you walk away from the flesh, what that means is, is over time, I start to want different stuff.

I start to want what the spirit wants. And that's where real freedom is, because when you want what the spirit wants, you can actually acquire the thing that you want because it aligns with reality. And then when you want what the flesh wants, you're never going to attain it. Exactly. Which has led me to get practical just in our everyday life, which Romans 7 gets into this about this battle within. Yeah.

But, you know, my dad gave me the best advice when I was late teenage years, because he was all of a sudden, you know, his famous speech about now, look, it's the world. It's a mean world because he wasn't sure what we were into as you get older in teenage years. And most teenagers rebel.

But I remember him saying, look, when you're going around with your buddies and they want to get drunk and you're with these frisky women, always remember this. Either their influence in you or your influence in them. It was very good advice. And that led me to a point I want to make on this about how this works practically is I think based on reading this, putting to death...

the old and putting on the new. There's a certain protection and a feeding of the new, which is where he started that verse. Set your mind on things above, set your hearts on things above. So I think we should be way more concerned about what we allow to happen

come into our heart, especially as spirit-filled people. I mean, even in our age of social media, you know, I thought of a little joke the other day, which I'm not on social media anymore, but I get the concept. Look, you can sit there and scroll. They call it scroll, and you can scroll for hours, and they have that design. You're just looking what's going on in the world, and some of it may not be sinful, but

But it's stupid because you're literally, if you wake up every morning and scroll for two hours, you've just fed yourself. And most of it has no meaning or may be funny or it may be just sexually arousing or whatever. Last time I was on social media, you couldn't go anywhere without seeing something pop up somewhere. Click here. So, yeah.

That's what I'm saying. You got to protect that. Even in the movies we watch and stuff like that. I mean, I'm notorious for leaving movies early because I'm like, I don't want this junk in my head. Yeah. And when you think you have this eternal spirit in your being, it's just not worth it. Because most of the time we're like, well, I paid, you know, $15 to be in here.

But when you look at the God's Spirit, I got the Holy Spirit in me, you know? And it made me list all the things the Spirit does. And these were just off the top of my head. I don't have Scripture references, and y'all may want to add. But when you think, I have the Holy Spirit inside of me, the Spirit of Jesus. He's our counselor, our guide, our comforter, our teacher. He holds us accountable. But you remember, he convicts the world of sin. Mm-hmm.

He's our helper. He's our sanctifier, which sets us apart from the world. He's our intercessor. He helps us in our prayer. He empowers us with all the different gifts that we have in the church from an individual basis. He's our illuminator. And I thought about as we read, the Bible is the only book that you continue to read

And it continues to illuminate. I mean, that's crazy. Because it describes the light of life and the light of men. And I put our visionary, I got that from Ephesians 3. It's like he can do more than we ask or imagine. And I just thought that's in us. We should feed that spirit. So that way, when you are in these situations that could be tempting,

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And you know, when we had Mac on a few weeks back, Mac made that point out of Colossians 3. Remember, he was telling about a Bible study group, and they were praying and talking about how can we do better. And he said one kind of quiet guy in the corner said, don't feed it. Exactly. Don't feed the bad one, the bad part. And then automatically you begin to feed the other, which makes you stronger. I wanted to mention this. You brought up the word renovation.

And in Colossians 3 verse 10, it says you put on the new self, which is being renewed.

in knowledge, in the image of its creator. I think that's the key verse. It is. And that word renewed in the Greek, if you go look it up, it means renovated. And it's funny, Jase, because it's only mentioned this, that particular word is only used one other time in the New Testament. Paul used it in 2 Corinthians 4 and listen to the same context here. Only other time you use that word renovated. Therefore,

In verse 416, 2 Corinthians, therefore, we do not lose heart, though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renovated. There's that word.

Day by day, for our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but what is unseen. What is seen is temporary. What is unseen is eternal. You know what's impactful about that is he had just spent two chapters, two and three of 2 Corinthians, talking about what it means to have the Holy Spirit in your body. Correct.

And I love that. Look, we went the same route. I wrote this down from some sermon I heard. I apologize. I didn't write who said it. But they said the culture's problem is that, and these are like stepping stones as it relates to making decisions, is that we're all just reactive. Whatever happens, you're a baby, you're a kid, you grow up, you start going through puberty, and then you just react. Well, what happens when you react?

You make bad choices over and over, which leads to insecurity because of a guilty conscience. It didn't work out like you thought. I mean, so you have sex with somebody and it felt good in the moment, but then all of a sudden there's ramifications of that. So now you're kind of insecure. Like, I'm not sure I should have done that. And that's the way God designed us, which leads you to being unwanted.

Because we all go through it. It's like, now I feel alone. I feel like I'm not, you know, what happened here? Which leads to hopelessness, which leads to exhaustion. And I put, I just wrote that down. Somebody said that. I wrote it down, a sermon I heard. But I put

it being the new self having the holy spirit of god i put a response to that so instead of reactive we view these situations that come up or circumstances as more like temptations they're more like a choice of what would jesus do that kind of thinking so you have your situations uh and and

You want to have an innocence about you, which is the opposite of insecurity, in that you're trusting God and his plan for your life. I mean, these things that Paul is writing through the power of the Holy Spirit that represents God above, these are all good things. I think when we read these things, a lot of people, when it gets later on in the chapter,

A lot of people just read these things and quickly dismiss it because it's like verse 12 when it says, therefore, as God's holy people, dearly love, clothe yourselves. There's that word again with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, patience, bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you have. And over all these virtues, put on love. They look at it like, oh, this is a flowery thing.

But those things are hard to do. It's a way bigger challenge to live like that than to think, oh, this is something just for people who can't do anything. And I really think people object when they read those sections. They're like, well, I'm a man's man. I don't want to be compassionate. And until you do it and you realize way bigger challenge to do, then just to finish my little outline, the unwanted, uh,

you know, after the culture, you know, you react, you become insecure, you feel like you're unwanted. Well, when you're innocent in a situation, you do what God wants you to do. It starts allowing you to think like, oh, wow, this is what I'm here for. This is something that's appealing and that people are drawn to. And instead of hopeless, we have Christ. We start in our minds thinking Christ is literally living.

through me i it's like the less of you that you're thinking about and the more where it's like this is just this is what christ is and the last thing instead of exhausted i put you're renewed yeah you're renewed every day to get up and have these challenges these situations because you never know what a given day is going to happen i mean you could be on on some kind of uh

you know, thing for work and a woman knocks on your hotel room, you know, where are you going? Are you ready for, for how that's going down and how you're going to respond? So if you don't think about this and feed it, I think that's what happens. All of a sudden in the moment you go to your, you default to your old self instead of being renewed day by day. And I think a renewed person shows you that on a consistent basis. I mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, um,

Dad stopped by and saw mom and dad and mom had had this little wound she was trying to deal with. And I'm watching dad and we've talked about dad's issues that he's going through right now. And so I'm watching dad, you know, he's been down on his back, has some other problems, but he's down on his hands and knees, you know, cleaning up blood where mom had hurt her leg and putting, you know, just tenderly putting a bandage on her. And I just was watching that moment. I thought that's the ultimate picture of,

of a renewed person. Yeah, a guy who's struggling to stay alive. He's struggling to stay his own self, but he... And he's serving the one that he loves. Totally serving. It's so beautiful. It was such a beautiful picture. Because that is the thing, right? Like, what is... Jason mentioned you go to your old self, but that's the thing. Your default...

becomes your new self. And that's why it matters what we do. We're not earning salvation when we do good things and we don't do bad things. What we're doing is we're forming, we're being formed, we're being renovated into a particular kind of person

We're being formed into the image of who Jesus is. That's it. And then that becomes your default. So when I thought about that today, when you think about your dad, you think about vitality and virility and manliness. But, you know, sometimes just on your knees serving, you know, your bride is another picture of Jesus. Well, and your perspective changed. I brought up the part about it being difficult not to duck hunt with Phil. Yeah.

But, you know, really about a week or 10 days ago, I think Phil was at his lowest physically and mentally. And I'm not going to lie. I told my kids, I said, look, get down here and see your papa Phil because I'm thinking it's more like days on the earth. And I really prayed all that day. I just thought, you know, Lord,

I do not doubt you a bit. You can heal him. You can renovate him. I said, or you can just take him home. Cause I, you know, who likes to see their dad? So I mean, Phil was really suffering. He couldn't even speak. He was in so much pain and I just didn't look good. But you know, when you know it about two days later, we brought him supper and, uh,

And here is me, Missy, and our kids. And we ate supper. And he was feeling so much better. And he's actually been improving since then. And I thought, now, could he go duck hunt? No. But even for this moment of him just asking my kids how they were doing, in that little moment, I thought, you know, thank you, Lord, for having this moment. My expectations have changed about what it means to be back. I thought, you know...

In this moment, I think it's awesome that the Lord is working in them. Absolutely. Well, we're out of time. We'll pick it up here in this idea of renovation next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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