Ep 1045 | Jase Gets a Slap on the Wrist from Israeli Police & Why Jesus Had to Suffer
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Welcome back to Unashamed. I was leaving yesterday, coming to our one of many trips here to do the podcast checks, which feels like we've been doing the podcast for like a week. It's like a podcast telethon slash marathon. A podcast-a-thon. We're trying to get in the Guinness Book of World Records for months. So I stopped by to empty water out of my trash cans. I won't go into all the minutiae.

But I was checking my mail, and my neighbor across the street from me is the delightful Mamaw Jo, who is Corey's grandmother. I want to say she's 93. She's in her early 90s.

She just quit work when she was like 87. You talking about Mamaw Jo? Mamaw Jo. She's one of the greatest human beings I've ever met. So strong, but she's 90-something now, Jase, and she's backing out, and she's talking to me, and she's driving someplace, which right off the bat, I thought, this is what I, if I made it. You know how I feel. I'm for cutting off the age of driving at like 70. Is that where I'm at now, Matty? Or is it 65? 65.

And people got all in an uproar. Not that you can't go anywhere. I just said it would help the economy to hire a chauffeur. Have the government do it, you know. She's defying the odds. Well, she's one exception, unless you're Mamaw Joe, because she's way more articulate. So I'm going to blow your mind even more. So we're out at the bar. I was just, Mamaw Joe, look at you. You're just out. It's raining. It's nasty. And she's smiling. And she's on her way to someplace. Yeah.

And she said, well, she said, I'm heading to London Saturday. And I was like, yeah, I heard about the trip. You're going? Oh, she's going? Yeah, I said, you're going? She said, oh, yeah. My bags are packed. When I grow up. And again, I was like, what? Everybody's going. When I grow up, I want to be like my mom. Me too. She is amazing.

We visit her sometimes, just like when we have the little one or whatever. And she is so gracious and kind and inspirational. She's one of the most godly people I've ever met. She's great. And her husband, Luther, which is Corey's grandpa, has crossed over, I should say, several years ago. But he was also a fantastic man. So it's an amazing couple. But it made me think, Zach, you are...

a part of this pilgrimage to our motherland because, you know, we all came from England. Did we? We did. So what's going on there? Can you tell us about what's happening? Because now I'm intrigued. Well, there's a couple things. There's two different things happening. I'm going to something that kind of intersects with the other. I think they're going for an event that Sadie's doing,

And I want to say it's with there. It's called, um, you're gathering 20. You're getting real vague here. Are you going to England or not? I'm going to England. I'm going to a conference in England. Um, that's, it's a lot of different folks. So people, we know Mike, uh, Johnson speaker of the house, uh, as part of that, um,

Jordan Peterson, Jonathan Paggio. It's a conference there. Well, I'm going to give you a job. Well, you're telling us a name drop. That was impressive. The only one I knew was Sadie. You don't know who Mike Johnson is? He's our Speaker of the House, Louisiana boy. He is your representative. No, he's not. Yes, he is.

You do not know? No, no, Zach. We now have been redrawn. I voted for Mike Johnson. Yeah, we got redrawn. Yes. We redrawn. You got to be on our side of Arkansas Road. I now know who Mike Johnson is. However...

I have like three buddies south of the interstate named Mike Johnson. So, I mean, it's a very common name. I mean, do you know Mike Johnson? I'm like, no, because I know so many. We have to get Mike on the podcast. So, I guess Speaker Johnson on the podcast, excuse me. Zach, you keep saying like you're going to get these people on the podcast. I'm telling you. If you get Mike Johnson on this podcast.

I will give you a $100 bill. One crisp. You just get your money ready because you know the first person that I met with. Mark this. Mark that down. Audiences heard it. The first person that I met with when I ran for Congress.

was Mike Johnson. And we've remained friends ever since. You should have gotten some tips on how to win. Well, he did advise me, so I could blame him for the loss. Well, look, let me get back to this is important. Because I have a dream. I have a dream. Oh, boy. We know what happened in the last dream. I always wanted to go, ever since I got into treasure hunting, I want to go...

Like do an event somewhere in England. Because when our little duck show came out, we had a lot of people, surprisingly, I was surprised by this, who watched our show from England. Oh, yeah. Ask Scotland. Letters and, you know, and things in the mail. So I was like, wow, there's –

This has gone global here. But it was a lot of people who love Jesus. And I was like, I'd like to do an event. But in England, they let you treasure hunt as long as you have permission. Yeah. You can just go anywhere. In fact, there was a big thing just found there within the last... Now, you have to turn it in. Yeah. But that's okay. And if they want to keep it, they keep it. But they'll give you the money value for it or whatever. Yeah.

Because a lot of it goes into museums and that kind of stuff. Well, exactly. So you need to go, like, I mean, forget everything else. You got one job, because what I'm saying is we'll go back together and do all the cool, fun stuff.

Okay. And film it. We might can do a whatever. Yeah. But find me a place that I can go because that whole – So you're going to scout this out while you're on your – I'll scout it out. I need permission is what I'm looking for. Permission. My cousin, Chase Robertson, do you have a picture of me or anything? No.

Maybe a picture would be bad because that might be frightful. Yeah, that may not happen. Can he treasure hunt your property? The homeland. Yeah, well, but I got to have, you know, because I'm not going over there. Well, I could make the case for it. Maybe our ancestors left something over there. We've been looking for it. Don't make any cases. Just try to get permission that we can hunt your land.

I'll see if I can close the deal on that in between the meetings I'll be at. But the Sadie thing is a little different though, guys. She's doing something that's kind of cool. It's called Gather 25. I believe that's the name of it. I'm probably going to butcher this. But they're doing an event, 2025, where the global church across the entire globe is going to be –

having like a service at one time and one moment. And they'll do it like across the internet or something? Well, look, we can name ours, our tour, Treasure and Treasure. Treasure and Treasure. Well, we'll read the verse, you know, the verse that says, he found treasure in a field and he put it back in there, sold everything he had and bought the field. And bought the field, yeah. So we're not going to buy their place.

So if we're planning this, because we're workshopping now, so I need to be a part of this as well as that, because we're going to do the podcast from there. Let's do a podcast from there, right? We'll do a podcast from there. But so it's all dependent on you. Yeah. Whatever happens.

When you go over there. So, Jace, I will mark this in the category of we'll know this is happening when Mike Johnson is actually on this podcast. Because if that doesn't happen, this is never going to happen. That'll happen. I mean, that's what I put him out there. We got a $100 bill on that. But I got my whole life. We got money riding on that. I got my life change on this. Look, go to the streets. Just get on the corner. I mean, do what you got to do to get permission.

We'll have your representative, Mike Johnson, in the studio because he's got to come back to the constituents. Well, I said if I ever go to D.C., he has to see us. The only reason I'm entertaining the idea of having Mike Johnson on the podcast is because for the first time in years, is it just me or is the news interesting again? Oh, yeah. I found myself watching the news more, which I haven't watched the news in seven, eight years. Yeah.

But it seems interesting now. Yeah, I watched it all the way through, but it's definitely better. It's definitely more interesting. And since we all know Mike Johnson personally, I've met him several times as well, he is a quality man. So you get into these political arguments, I get it. They're trying to get this done, blah, blah, blah, this bill passed. And so they paint each other as these negative things. But he is a quality human being, a believer in Jesus. Well, he actually – you didn't know this, Zach, when you said I didn't know Mike Johnson. He actually –

invited my daughter mia oh that's right i forgot about that connection yeah and i can't remember the details which is terrible missy would be really upset with me right now well luckily she doesn't listen so we actually went and she got to go in there and actually read something a congress person also had a cleft palate and so it was connected through them somehow yeah and they they

or wrote something. They did one of these proclamations or whatever. Yeah, so it was really nice. I didn't know Mike was part of that. That's awesome. He was.

So is that it for London? So you were going separate of that. But are you going to go to Sadie's thing? Is that why you're there? No, we're only going to be there for like a week, and then we're coming back. So I think that is it. Well, this is getting weird. Your other members of your family is going. And you're going to be there and miss it. Well, they're going to be at both events. We're leaving. Me and Jill are going to come back. We're also going to do a little like three-day, four-day tour.

Just for y'all. See the city. Well, that's when you make the context. That's it. So every place you go. Yeah. But how are people going to know he's hooked up? Because somehow you've got to make the connection with the Duck people. Well, I'm a big boy. I bet I can figure it out. Just remember, Zach, over there, they don't say Duck Dynasty. They say Duck Dynasty. Duck Dynasty. Dynasty. So just act like you don't know what you're talking about.

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We tried to make a connection with our Duck Family Treasure show. And we just did it on a... Because we had a little podcast that introduced the show. Right. And so Jep, I was like, man, maybe if you do some kind of English impression... Oh, boy. We can get some buzz and maybe get invited to go over there. But Jep's like, well, I have an impression. And I was like, well...

What is it? He's like, well, it's only one line. I was like, well, that doesn't make any sense. Do you have the voice to do it? And he's like, nope, but I can do one line. And so none of us knew what it was. He said, just throw it to me when we start filming and I'll do it. And so they asked where like our dream place to go treasure hunting. And that was kind of what the podcast was about.

And I said, England, because now he's going to England. This is my dream. Because I've been there two or three times, but I never got off. I only landed on a runway because I was in another country. And I was like, I'm in England. But then you were off to somewhere else. Then I was off to somewhere else. So does that really count? Well, yes. You were there, but you weren't really there. I was in England, but I was only there for an hour. Maddie said, no, that doesn't. So Jep, we're like.

I tell him my dream. Go to England, treasure hunt, share Jesus, treasure and treasure tour. And Jep said, it's a bit nutty. That was it. I was so shocked that didn't catch on. Yeah, wow. I was like, that was it? Yeah.

And I don't know if I did it well. Did I sound English? We lost Maddie. She's no longer functional. Maddie. She thought it was funny. I'll tell you what I'd like to do. I would like to do a trip to Israel, an unashamed trip to Israel. Well, we're just dreaming now. I've already done that. I've already done that. And they won't let you treasure hunt.

I'm not talking about treasure hunting. I want to go and do what we're talking about with all this. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. I'll make a deal with you. If you pull off England...

And I want more than one place that permission that I can treasure hunt. Yeah. Without being locked up. Well, I'll just, I don't mind a harassment, but I don't want to go to jail. You pull that off. Then I'll go back to Israel because I got that tour figured out on how to do that.

I'd like to. I've never been. I think it'd be cool. Have you ever been to Israel, Zach? I've never been, but I'd love to go. I haven't either. And I want to go this side of, you know, eternity. It really changes, not changes, it really enhances humanity.

Your reading of Scripture. Yeah. I mean, it was profound. Can you imagine being on the Mount of Olives and being able to go through all of that discourse in Mark 13 and Matthew 24? Well, we did that. We did that. It was awesome. Yeah, I've never done it. What I want to do is get our audience and open it up to some of our audience as well. I talked with Shane, and they're doing a tour over there, but they're going to go through and do it through the Psalms. I said, man, we ought to do that. So I have to pull off...

The London excursion. Well, you got to get some permission. Go in there as a scout. I get the permission, as they say, and then we'll start working on maybe something around. Do not pray about it.

Get you a plan. Yeah. Do not come back empty-handed. I would say include your wife in on this venture because you're probably going to forget this as soon as this podcast is over. Well, that's right. And that will bring some validity to it because we know how Jill is. All right, we got a deal. So look, this is how deals get made. Y'all just saw it. So you can give us a report when you get back. All right, so we're ready to get back to John. Man, we went around the world there, literally.

Well, Jesus said go into all nations. He did. Well, we just went to. I'm not just going there for selfish reasons. We will. I would love to do some kind of event. For some reason, we were talking about that. It took me back to our driver. I don't know if you remember this guy.

because we had different scenes we were doing when we were in Scotland. But our driver of our little bus that took us places, well, I bet you remember him because I was in the scenes you were in. Remember that guy, that old gruff guy? He was hilarious. Everybody is gruff in Scotland. That's true. That's true. And so he's telling us all about the current political landscape of Scotland and England. And so I was intrigued. And so he's telling us all these things in this thick Scottish brogue.

And I said, well, I get the impression from listening to you, I don't remember his name, I said that you're not a big fan of England. He said, I wish they'd put a moat around it and then fill it full of water. Yeah.

And I was like, oh, that's bad. That's like, he was not a big fan of England. He needs forgiveness in his heart. Well, when I was in Scotland, I didn't want to leave. And I asked Missy, I was like, you want to live here? And she said,

But I did, but she didn't like the weather. You know why? You were connecting to your Scottish roots. I just like the open range. The highlands. I like the weather and just rough and tumble. I don't know. I just felt like a man. Yeah. And it's cold. It's about like it is here today there. Yeah, but it's like there every day. Every day, yeah. All right.

All right, so we're in John, I guess, two. Was there any more? Did you get any more visions in the five minutes between these two? No, but I mean, I think we made the connection of Jesus calling his first disciples some interesting nuggets. He did have this connection with Jacob's ladder. Yeah. Because then the temple...

comes into play in the next chapter. Right, which is where we're headed next. And one thing I didn't mention, I think we mentioned two podcasts ago, is the name was called Bethel, which means house of God, where this ladder took place in the vision in Genesis 28. And then one of the things we mentioned right at the end of, I think, a couple of podcasts ago, Jacob, he was sleeping, his head, while he was having this vision, sleeping, was on a stone.

And he marked that stone and left it as like anybody that passed by there, like this was something special happened here. So it was a stone, which we've talked about with Peter being a rock and the idea of Christ as the chief cornerstone. So there's a lot of imagery that goes along with this place, which is pretty powerful. Well, the place Bethel, you mentioned that, the house of God, that's what Jesus is –

declaring that he is now Jesus is going to be Bethel. Jesus is going to be the house of God. He will be the place where God dwells.

Now dwells and I think Jacob's, you know, his vision of Bethel was foundational in in Israel's identity. I mean, that's really where it started. Right. I mean, think about it. I mean, that's this was the moment really where he became the nation of Israel started right here. Yeah. What makes it powerful is in that vision, he repeats the.

Same declaration that he had given to, I guess, his grandpa. Yeah. And... Abraham Isaac Jacobs. And then he brings in all nations, too. I mean, it's very powerful. Yeah, which he had done with Abraham as well. So it's all in there, which is very powerful. I love that John includes that, that you get that little vision of that, which is pretty cool. Yeah, I mean, because the temple will become...

I'm going back to Jacob's Ladder. The temple from that point is coming. It hasn't happened yet, but it will become the Bethel. It will become the dwelling place of God. That temple will be destroyed in 586, 587 BC when the Babylonian invasion occurred. Fast forward, they rebuilt the temple, and then...

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And it took almost 50 years, which that's going to come up in this next chapter, for them to complete this thing. Because when he was talking about rebuilding in three days, they were like, what are you talking about? It's taken 46 years to get it the way it looks now. Yeah, exactly. But fast forward to Hebrews. I feel like for some people that may, if you're just joining us, when you read Hebrews 1, 2, and 3, the three chapters, just to give you the highlights of it. I mentioned this a couple of podcasts ago, but...

It's very powerful because I didn't mention chapter 3, but when he says, you know, in the past God spoke to our forefathers in many times various ways, but in these last days he's spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things. And then he says the Son is the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. It's at the right hand of God. Well, then in chapter 2, it's like,

He gets into why he became a human, which is very, I think, touching. Yeah. I mean, it's God became a human. You kind of get into the 14 through...

where he's saying, since the children have flesh and blood, Jesus too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who was a power of death and his devil and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps but Abraham's descendants. So he's going back to that promise made to Abraham through Jesus

Isaac, Jacob. So he gets to chapter 3, and he talks about Moses, because we also have this, not only are we new creations, but we have this new exodus from the power of the evil one, which I just read in verse 14. But then he gets to verse 4, and this is one of my favorite passages in the entire Bible, because you said Bethel is the house of God. Watch what it says. This is incredible. A lot of people are shocked that this is in the Bible.

And it's right after in verse 1 in chapter 3 when he said, Holy brothers who share in the heavenly calling, which is where Jesus is, he is at the right hand of God, fix your thoughts on Jesus. And so he gets to verse 4 and he says, For every house is built by someone. Because he's speaking here in the context that Jesus is greater than Moses. Yeah.

Every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything, which is the Hebrew writers connecting all these dots through history. Correct. And now saying this is why Jesus is better. He's exalted at the right hand of God. Not only has the exact representation of his being, but destroy the power of the evil one. He's freed our fears. He's given us this new life.

way to get out from under the world that was oppressing us. So then he says, verse 5, Moses was faithful as a servant in all God's house, testifying to what would be said in the future. He's pointing to Jesus being the fulfillment. But watch verse 6. But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And you're like, well, is he talking about the temple? God's house.

And then this next phrase, and we are his house. If we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast. I feel like I would need to holler that we are his house. It's not buildings and structure and material things.

Yeah. Things that we build, you know, it's because houses, like you said, the verse that are made by people, hands. And the whole point is that God doesn't live in the ones that are built by human hands. He, and that's why he lives in humans. Cause we don't build ourselves. And you just think about it, Zach, all the imagery, Jason just read it quickly. And, but the whole book of Hebrews is about this imagery. And here was Moses on the top of this mountain, uh,

And once again, angels are back and forth. And it wasn't the temple, but it was the law being given. Guess what? Homestone tablets, but not to save us.

But just to try to guide us into something that we would know is better. So just every time I look back and see these images in the Old Testament, all of it is pointing towards Jesus. And that's why you think about that passage that Chase read, I think, in the last podcast. Was that when you read Revelation 1? Yeah. John had the...

The vision on the Isle of Patmos. Yeah. It was a vision within a vision within a vision. It was a rabbit hole vision. But it was, I mean, that view of Jesus. I mean, think about it. Some of the imagery there, his hair was white like wool.

His eyes were fiery, the double-edged sword protruding from his mouth, the bronze. It's a picture of just sovereignty and power. And I was thinking about this in the context of what this means with the Son of Man. He's going to see the Son of Man because that's also mentioned in that verse, as you mentioned. But that's also in our text today about the Son of Man coming.

Think about that Daniel 7 reference. And I wanted to read this because listen to the language of how Daniel 7 describes the Ancient of Days, the one who the Son of Man is going to go before. Listen to the description and tell me if it sounds similar to the description of Jesus in chapter 1 of Revelation. It says, The Ancient of Days took his seat. This is in verse 9 of Daniel 7. His clothing was white as snow.

And the hair of his head like pure wool, his throne was fiery flames, its wheels were burning fire. A stream of fire issued and came out from before him, and a thousand thousands served him, and ten thousand times ten thousands stood before him. The court sat in judgment, and the books were opened. And so that sounds so similar to the picture of,

And so this image here, it matters because when you read in John chapter 17, verse 5, before Jesus' crucifixion, he says this. He says, Father, he said, glorify me.

thine own self with the glory that I have with you before the world began. And so he's saying, give me this glory that I have with you before the world began. So there's this picture of what he's calling, like he's asking the father to do through this death, his death, burial and resurrection. So the picture of Daniel seven, then it makes a lot more sense because Jesus said before his crucifixion that he had a certain degree of glory with the father, with the ancient of days before the world began.

It says, restore me to that. So then when you read about when he's presented before the Ancient of Days, you start to understand it when it says, I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven, this is Daniel 7, there came one like a son of man. And he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. So now this is that moment where Christ is presented before the Ancient of Days and to him was given dominion

And glory, and I love this, and a kingdom. Think about this. This is the moment to where Christ was given glory.

A dominion, glory, and a kingdom. And so that picture that you see in Revelation 1, it sounds a whole lot like the Ancient of Days. Well, yeah, because the Ancient of Days in this moment gave Christ dominion, glory, and kingdom. He's restoring Christ to the glory that he had with him before the world began. And I think that's the connection here in this passage when we talk about the kingdom of God being here and the kingdom of God being now. Yes, it is to come as well, but when we talk about that,

The connection point of all of this is that in the resurrection and the ascension of Christ,

and the coming down of the temple in AD 70. It was a vindication of Christ. It was an establishment of Christ as having all authority, all dominion, all glory. And he is the king now because he has the kingdom. That's the language of what's being set up here in John chapter one. This is not in here randomly when it talks about Jacob's ladder and it talks about the son of man being revealed.

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Well, to your point, I mean, if you just start reading, you brought up that destruction of the temple in AD 70, which Jesus predicted over and over and over. And I realize a lot of the religious world don't recognize it. They immediately go, because of the apocalyptic language, to when Jesus comes back.

or appears, you know, finally, and we get new bodies and live forever and all that. But he's literally like in those moments, they're talking about, they're walking around the temple and he's like, see these stones right here? Not one will be left on another. This generation won't pass away till you see it happen. And even in Revelation, you know, when he starts, because I want to read this, Zach, as you were talking about Daniel, it's amazing how much it's quoted here. But

I will say this, in verse 3 of Revelation, he's like, blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. And that's why you have to address what happened in Rome, the destruction of Jerusalem. Even when you get to that chapter that depicts the hills and where Rome was, I mean, it's an exact replica of it. I mean, to say he's not...

using their situation and applying it to any other kingdom that ever might want to take on the kingdom of God is to me is just not being fair but or he wouldn't say the time is this is at hand but when he gets down to verse the second part of verse five in revelation one he says to him who loves us and has freed us from our sins that's why i brought up that exodus

And this freeing us from the power of the control of the evil one in this world, what we can see by his blood and has made us to be and has made us to be a kingdom. Yeah. And priest. Not some kind of, okay, one day we're going to... He has made us to be a kingdom and priest to serve his God and Father. To him be glory and power forever. Then he says, Lord...

He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him. And all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him, so shall it be. And then he says, I'm the Alpha. Which that's a direct quote from Daniel 7, by the way. Yeah. Well, so is verse 13. Yeah. Where he says, among the lampstands was someone like a son of man. Yeah. But in verse 8, he says, I'm the Alpha and the Omega. And this is the verse I was looking for last podcast. Says the Lord.

who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty. I mean, if time has no effect on you, you're king. Yeah, when you reference yourself outside of a temporal frame, it's like, well, you are, you were, you is. I mean, before Abraham was, I am. No, I like it. I like it, too. That's it. Because the English vocabulary, nor the Greek or Hebrew, has an ample...

vocabulary to describe some of these statements. Which I said, look, I was a bitter young lad with all kinds of crazy thoughts, just like everybody else. But the more I got to reading about Jesus...

Thinking, okay, he can't lie and he can't die, and you can't put him in a time setting. I think I'm going with him. Let's work the rest of it out later. Well, I think about this idea, too. Going back to this whole idea of Bethel and this Jacob's Ladder, where he was at, that it's a connection point between heaven and earth. Just think about that for a second. Why does there even need to be a connection point?

Because there's a separation. And so there's something bigger here too than just like some kind of eschatological vision that he's throwing out. This is about atonement as well, that Christ...

becomes the connecting point now. He takes over the separation where heaven and earth are separated, where God and man are separated. Christ now is the connector. Christ is bringing heaven and earth together. Christ is bringing God and man together. Christ is reconciling all things to himself, for himself, and by himself. And I think that we cannot...

overestimate the significance of the role that Christ is having in all of this. That's why it says the Word became flesh in

And he's walked among us. And that's why, Zach, that the first recorded prophecy is Genesis 3.15, to your point, when God was talking to Satan and he said, you will strike his heel, but he will crush your head. Yeah. The idea that he'll overcome. I think it's underestimated in all our... Oh, it's huge. I mean, look, a lot of religious people, they got so hung up and they just try to make it where God had to do this, you know, for legal reasons. And I think they missed the thrilling part of...

that he's a God of love and he wanted to do this. Yeah, that's a good point. And, you know, like he freed us, I mean, from sin. I just read that. It was a freeing. He's bringing the worlds back together, you know, through his love. And that's why Jesus did crazy things. Like when he healed a person, then he's like, how about I forgive your sins first? Well, you know, the religious world, they're like, what?

Who do you think you are? You can't do that. Well, they're still doing it today. Well, now, technically, you know, somebody's got to die or something. No, he just wanted to forgive. When I forgive somebody, I don't go kill a cat, you know what I mean, to make it right. I think we just have, we tend to have tunnel vision over one aspect of what Jesus accomplished on the cross in his resurrection. Which, to your point you made in the last podcast, when he looked over at that thief...

who looked at him and said, this is the guy. He said, today you'll be with me in paradise. There was no law in that moment. There was no other things. It was just a faithful heart that he looked at and said, now you get it. I mean, that's the beauty of that moment.

I mean, I just, without going down a rabbit hole, I'm saying I think we need to expand our horizons on what was accomplished. There's a God and we're not him. And I think it's more thrilling than, you know, what a lot of people are hearing every Sunday morning, you know, that there's this angry God, you know, and you might make it. And you're like, where's the thrill in...

who he is and what he's done. And I mean, you start reading this, all of a sudden you start getting excited saying, oh my goodness,

I'm in a new world. I'm in a kingdom within a bunch of other kingdoms that do not match up. Yeah, that's a good point. Because ours can't be destroyed. I mean, that's what Daniel said. It will never be destroyed. Yeah. Which is why there's a link between the coming of the kingdom and even this idea that there's a son of man and that he's given a kingdom with this Isaiah 53 of a suffering servant. Yeah.

That's what they didn't get. So they're expecting a coming of a king. They were expecting the coming of a king to some degree and the coming of, you know, that's the Luke passage, Luke 24. When Jesus sees him on the road to Emmaus, he says, what are you guys talking about? They're like, are you the only guy that's not been noticed what's happened in the last three days?

Jesus, who we hope would be the hope of Israel, they killed him. He's been in the grave for three days. They didn't know they were talking to Jesus. So their idea of what was going to happen was that the Messiah was going to come and probably establish a kingdom that was more of a political kingdom, that they would have military conquest and whatnot. They didn't understand that this accomplishment of the kingdom being destroyed

inaugurated, they didn't understand that that was going to happen through the suffering of the Messiah. That's the part that they didn't get. And they also didn't understand how that would then be vindicated through a resurrection. I mean, what Jesus is doing here, what he's setting the stage for, it's like he's dripping in

what's going to happen. He's not just coming out and telling them. I mean, he does tell them eventually because as Jace mentioned in a previous podcast, that when, what did Peter say whenever he told him he was going to have to have to die?

Peter rebuked Jesus. But, you know, it's funny, Zad, because you're exactly right. They missed it, but they shouldn't have, because Isaiah 53 clearly lays out exactly what was going to happen to the Messiah, and that would be suffering, which is... But I think we do that. Don't you think we do that today, too? Yeah. It's like a hindrance for us when we start thinking about the kingdom, because...

we, it's a lot easier for us to think about it in terms of like conquest and military conquest, political victories. And not to say we shouldn't be involved in those in politics. I think we should be, but it's what we've always said that don't put your ultimate hope there because that's not really the way that's not really where it's where the real magic is happening. It should be a comedy. Yeah. I mean, I think revelation is really about that. If you think you're a kingdom on earth, you're,

and you think you have all power and control, just give it a minute. You will go down compared to those who have the Holy Spirit of God and have surrendered to Jesus. It's the greatest kingdom that Daniel predicted how many thousand years ago that would be established. And,

You saw the tense of the word. He said, he has made you a kingdom and priest. And he doubles down on it like in Revelation 5. Then he says it again. He has made you a kingdom and priest to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth. And I think that little phrase at the end is why people think that it hasn't happened yet. Because they're like, well, how can we be reigning when we're under such oppression on the earth and the earth is so evil? Yeah.

And it's like, well, that's what God had us to do in the beginning of time in Christ. We're showing people heaven on earth through Christ, through his spirit. So we're functioning like Jesus, who became the most talked about and followed character in the history of the earth. So, Jace, there's a lot going on in the world. It's easy to kind of get distracted. It's something every day that's new that kind of shifts people's attention to

But one of the things that I think is there every day for us as believers, there are babies in mothers' wombs who need help. I mean, they need us to be able to defend their right to be here and to hopefully provide a pathway to get here and to take care of them once they're here. Yeah, and life is special to us, especially the younger they are, just because it reminds us all, you know, the greatest gift ever.

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That's pound 250 baby. Or you can visit preborn.com slash unashamed. That's preborn.com slash unashamed. Which is funny because to your point you made earlier, Zach, we look at it now and we see ourselves. We look at America. We've been here now less than 300 years as an active nation.

And we think, man, look at us. Look at all the things we're impacting, every election cycle. And y'all were just talking about going back to England. Well, we go back 1,000 years to England. Well, that's why I want to go treasure hunting. Because their stuff's older. I mean, that one little island, though, was the center point of the whole world 1,000 years ago, you know, 800 years ago. And now we're like, here we are 300 years. We're like, we got it all going on because of this election. Well, it's like me. I mean, the oldest –

I found in America. It was from the 1600s. And that episode hasn't been released yet. So there's your spoiler for family treasure. But I mean, you go to Europe, you know, you can find a coin that has nine. Yeah. You know, right. 14. Yeah. 212. I mean, you're going back. Wow.

Way back. Well, the Romans were there. I mean, this goes back to the Roman Empire. We were there before the Brits were. So that's why the draw is there. What you think about if you, when we were in Rome, for example, I remember there was a moment where we were standing there looking at the Colosseum, which is pretty amazing if you think about, like,

the Roman Empire in its heyday without modern engineering, without excavators, without any cranes, and to see what they built. I mean, it's kind of like, whoa, it's impressive. It's very impressive. And then we were thinking, man, can you imagine if some guy from a mud hut in Africa shows up in Rome and the emperor says, I'm God?

you kind of are, I can understand why they may say, yeah, okay, I can see why. Yeah. Like, yeah, you look at what they built, but then you look at it now and, and it's all in ruins. And, um,

I think it is so interesting about the picture of the coming of the kingdom because what Jesus did not do and what God did not do is, you know, he did not like the ultimate like revelation or the ultimate exaltation of the Son of Man. It did not come through some kind of military trial.

Which you would have thought, if we were planning it, it would have. It would have came in like the Roman Empire in its heyday. And that would have been how I would have assumed and probably anyone would assume the Son of Man would be revealed. But that's not how he was revealed. He was revealed in the most humble of ways possible.

One, being born in a manger. I mean, that alone, being born in a feeding trough to normal, average people, not to royalty, and to not even really start his ministry for 30 years, and then to have only a three-year ministry life.

and really didn't have a place to lay his head, as he says later on. And then ultimately he was crucified on a Roman cross. I mean, this is like not the way that you're supposed to write the story of victory, but that's exactly what happened. And then here we are 2,000 years later on a podcast that has millions of downloads every year, and we're just one of many. And we're just a small sliver of the kingdom talking about this king.

So whatever happened, whatever revelation happened, I mean, like Bill would say, we're counting time by him, boys. You know, like he split time. I mean, I think that's impressive. Well, that's like when I was in Israel. Yeah. You know, before I tell you the most profound moment, you know, I had a moment thinking, man, the history here. And so one time we had gone and saw something and we had a little group, you know,

And we come down off these steps and they were doing some excavating and like taking the earth with a little crane. And they had a pile of debris. And so I bent down to tie my shoe because I was, my shoe didn't need to be tied, but I was like re-tying it. And I told Missy, I was like, go ahead. Because I wanted to look over there and just see what if I find, you know,

And when Jesus said, go pay the taxes, you know, so I was over there. I was looking in the debris field, but they had like police tape around it. And when I turned around... So you're trying to be slick tying your shoes if you can. Well, right. I was just trying to get closer to the pile of debris because I wanted to take a little look-see. But when I got up and turned around, there were like four...

cops looking at me like what do you think you're doing and of course I was Shalom

And I did the little, you know how at the casinos, the dealer will show their hands to say, I don't have anything under. So that was my only treasure hunting experience in Israel. But what I was going to say is, and I've shared this before, but when we went through all the different sites that they have, one of the things they do is they're like, this might be the tomb where Jesus was buried. And you like walk down there.

I mean, I think you have to pay like five bucks to go down here. And you go in and the tomb doesn't look like you think. It's just a hole in a rock. And you go downstairs and it's kind of orderly, but there's something eerie. But when I turned around to come back outside, when I stuck my head out of that hole, it's a square hole in the rock.

Boy, it just hit me. I mean, emotions flooded all over because I was like, this is what we believe. He was in this hole in the ground, and he stuck his head out of here after being dead. I was like, well, you sang an imitation song. I would have responded. So that was the good, and I told you the ugly with me trying to get a little view of possible treasure. But they gave me a...

A spiritual hand slap of move on, sir. Well, that's why that picture of the Son of Man is so important, because yes, we do have a suffering Savior. We do. I mean, that is core to the whole gospel, is that Christ died.

But it's not that he stayed in the grave, that he was resurrected and he has been vindicated and he now reigns as king. And that's why I love that Son of Man language every time I hear it in the scriptures or read it. That Revelation 1 passage, I mean, if you just sit in that for a little bit. But I think that's why the apostles, though, in the book of Acts, when you read it, when they depict Jesus, they're like,

They don't get into these theological arguments about why this had to happen. They talk about Jesus' innocence over and over. And I think they're representing that this world and our powers and our sins and the evil lurking, what you read from Ephesians 1, the powers of the dark world, they were all in cahoots.

And crucified Jesus. And I do think we're all a part of that in a way because what if I would have been one of those Roman soldiers or in the crowd? That's why I think it's amazing that the first person that declared him the Son of God

on the cross was actually just a Roman soldier. And surely he, you know, in the translations or either he said he was innocent, surely this was an innocent man or he was the son of God. But either one,

There's just something powerful about that. He became, I mean, God became a man and he came into a world. You're talking about not recognizing him. They killed him. I mean, so it is powerful to me. And I think there's something there about in the book of Acts on why they highlight that principle of Jesus being innocent. Yeah. You know? No, it's true. And so just to give you just a tease, because we're out of time. So we're getting to John 2. Yeah.

which is going to be the first of kind of seven miraculous signs that take place in the book of John. This is the first one. And it seems accidental, but nothing is accidental with Jesus. So it's not. Not the first one's a wedding banquet. Exactly. So we're going to get into that, which is some really, really rich stuff. And by the way, it culminates, Jason, the last sign was raising Lazarus from the dead, which would be a preview from what was going to happen to him. The

to be resurrected. So a lot of good stuff coming. We'll get Zach's report, hopefully from London as well. Zach safe travels. We're getting that report. Yeah. We'll get the report boys. I'll, I'll, I'll check in. All right. We'll, we'll do all that next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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