Ep 1078 | Jase & Jep Get Hammered by Bad News & the Guys Own Their ‘Old Man’ Struggles
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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We, uh, off camera before we got started here today, we were trying to ascertain Jay's, Zach's mood because you and I both noticed he was a bit, um, what would you call it? Well, I called it sad. Uh,

Missy asked me how the podcast went, our last podcast. And I said, well, Al was coughing a lot because you had some – I can't believe you accused me of coughing. You cleared your throat so many times. We'll have to ask Matty who had the most notes on coughs, me or Jason, the last podcast. Matty, compute that and let me know later. But you sounded in a worse condition, Matt.

I am in a bad condition, I will say. This spring has been killing me, and I went to West Texas, and man, was that a serious... Al, you have a leaky eye. I noticed it last time I was with you. Oh, it's terrible. I mean, it's...

Zach, I'm leaking everywhere. You know, I realize that I am the elder statesman now of this little operation now that dad's not with us anymore on the podcast. And so, yeah, I'm leaking out of the eyes, out of the nose, other areas I can't talk about. But it's bad. I'm an elder statesman. It's a common redneck status to have the leaky eye.

Yeah. It's also common to have, with a lot of my friends, their eyes can look in directions that normal people can't. Right.

You know, I'm serious. Like, as in not in the same direction at the same time. Yeah, it's like, boy. And they're proud of it. I mean, it's like, well, I can see a deer down my left flank and one at the right flank. You know what's confusing, Jase? If you did in the old days when we used to do a lot of small groups, you know, you kind of maybe close out in a prayer circle and you get a couple of those guys in the same circle.

And having a conversation, you can't tell who's talking to whom. I mean, it's like every eye is rolling around. Is he talking to me? Is he talking to the guy across? Yeah, that's what Phil used to have, the old indirectional dialogue. Remember, he would always look at someone else and share Jesus with a person that he wasn't looking at. Or when he was rebuking somebody, he really did the directional dialogue. Yeah.

I mean, he was pretty stern, but he wasn't looking right at you. And so you're wondering, is he talking to me? Yeah. Yeah. So back to Zach, I got, I mean, I didn't know, you know, what was going on, but Zach started confessing his inner thoughts. Because when I told Missy that, she said...

Well, maybe he's mad at you. And I was like, yeah, good point. I guess he was. Get in line. Get in line. Well, let me apologize because I got home and Jill said, how'd the podcast go? I said, I'm just kind of people out. I'm tired of talking. I just had a day because we had just a super long week and a half run.

And she said, do you think the guys picked up on it? I said, oh, they're so into themselves. Like Jason, he didn't have a clue. So I want to tell you, I'm sorry that you were in tune with my emotions. Oh, that's funny. Which what's funny is I told Vince, I was like, probably he was just in his own little world. So we all gave each other the same. Yeah.

It's funny that you say, yeah, you seem sad on the last podcast. And I literally had told Jill, she said, do you think, Jay, the guys pick up on your demeanor? I said, oh, no, they're doing their thing. They ain't worried about me. But, yeah, no, we just had so much company and so much travel. I was just like, ooh. And then I couldn't hit the ads right. That was frustrating. Yeah. But I find that one of the greatest oases in life.

which I'll tell everybody. I know, you know, when we do ads, you don't think it's a big deal, but just know in that moment that Jace is having the time of his life listening to Zach either butcher or do the world wrestling federation. I kept saying that. You can't stand pure flicks.

Because I had noticed that the blind, here's a free advertisement here, is on Pureflex. I was seeing it on my screen. So that had stuck in my mind. So I kept reading the ad, but I would say our wireless company, Pureflex. And I meant to say PureTalk. And I did it probably, what, 10 times? I mean, I was like. 10 times. I thought you were having literally just a mental breakdown. I was like, all those big words have short-circuited me.

Another part of the brain. Oh, it all came to a screeching halt last podcast. It was a rough one. And for those of you out there that are saying, well, man, Jace is hard on them about ads. But we have all agreed Jace can't do it. I can't do it. So we tried that once, and that was a complete disaster. So don't think Jace is saying this like he can do better. He can't. We've already tried it. Yeah, my brain structure is interesting in that I just –

I can't. If somebody gives me a sheet of paper and there's a bunch of lines there, I don't know, I guess comprehension maybe. I can't say exactly what it says. You say, well, sure you can. No. I have to put it in my own words, and then I can do it. The only exception is the Bible, but that's here from 40 years ago.

just reading the verses over and over. They became memorized. So if I wanted to do an ad, I would probably need a year. You'd probably have to be in the NIV version too. Well, and that's a problem. I'm so mad at the NIV right now. I'll bring this up maybe on the next podcast. You'll remember this conversation when I bring this up.

But I can't help it. I'm so far gone. I don't think it's the greatest of translations, I'm just being honest. But that's what I use. So every verse I read, I have to look up the Greek lexicon, and then I do the Bible hub to see what all the other verses say to get exactly what it says. I do that every time. But.

But, Jay, to be honest, that's not a bad way to do it with any version, just because the closer you can get to the original language, the better off you are. Well, that's what, look. It is tedious, but at the same time, it's probably the best way to study the Bible, to understand exactly what was said. I don't know if I shared this story, but when we went to the Chosen Season 5 premiere in Dallas,

You know, and I wrongly sat in the wrong seat, which led to us being like, oh, we're in the inner sanctuary of the people who put this on. But there's a woman who has a show. I can't remember her name off the top of my head, but and does a lot of a lot of things. But she she has a Bible study podcast. And so she was like, of course, I didn't know this at the time because I was oblivious of who anybody was.

And she said, oh, y'all do a Bible study podcast? And I said, yes. And she said, well, I do one too. And I was like, oh, really? And she said, well, let me just ask you selfishly, what is your favorite translation of the Bible? And I said, I thought it was a trick question.

I said, Greek or Hebrew with a little Aramaic? And she went, are you a scholar? And I went, no. And Missy said, yes, he is. I was like, have you lost your mind? So

So I came over as kind of obtuse, I think. There's the exact word. Ooh, obtuse. But I thought it was a trick question because I thought whatever I say, she's going to find some holes in the translation. You see what I mean? So let's just go with the Greek. How about that? And then it produced a false narrative.

So I'm not a scholar. But Zach, let me give you some... Since you... Because when you said you were peopled out, which I don't really know what that means, but I guess just the... Well, when you... We had...

Well, we did a lot of traveling. So we're staying at Al's house, but it's all like, I've got people in town and Louisiana that came up here. And then all my kids came in with all their friends, which, you know, we're kind of, we're not empty nesters, but Max and Layla, my oldest two, when they, when they show up on the scene,

I mean, it's a, I mean, they stay up, I mean, till two in the morning. I mean, it's like a, they're eating, I mean, leaving trash around the house. It's just what happens when the whole family comes together. Yeah. I was just at that point where I've come a semi empty nesting, although I still got three kids in the home. It's a lot quieter now and I've kind of gotten used to it. Yeah. I mean, so then when you go through that, we go through a week and a half of just, you know, you're all in, I mean, it's exhausting. Well,

I complain. Very thankful. You just needed a man cave, you know, couple of minutes. Hey, it's biblical. Jesus went in solitude. That's exactly right. You know, sometimes you got to get away. I just needed solitude, silence, prayer, Sabbath, fill in the blank, rest. That's what I just needed. Well, I think that's when you remember your mission. Because, I mean, yesterday we went treasure hunting for the first time in months. And we got the band back together. It was me,

Randy, you know, Murray, and Jep, which was the infrastructure of our little show, Duck Family Treasure. And boy, our expectations were high. We were getting the band together. It was one of the most brutal days as far as not finding anything, exhausted. I could not move when my eyes opened just because we were out of treasure hunting shape. ♪

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What was interesting is, Jep rode with me. On the way there and on the way back, we get all these calls. He got some, I got some. And it was just one string of bad news after another. I mean, it was like a buddy that I know, but a good buddy of his, called him and is like, my wife left me. And so I'm listening to this conversation. It was just like...

Oh my goodness, what is going on? And there were other conversations like that. And we talked a lot about our parents. They're older. They're just not great overall, just the stress of it all and trying to get a system. So I know what you're saying. You get days like that. And of course, I found myself alone because Missy is in Nashville.

And so I was studying for this podcast, but, you know, and I listened to a lot of theologian type stuff because John 6 is difficult enough already. But our mutual friend that I'm still waiting to come on, I love John Tyson from New York because I listen to him because he's a great communicator and communicator.

What it helps me to do listening to him is like, it's not a big theological discourse. It's like he's in New York City trying to lead people to Jesus. Just think how difficult that is. And so anyway, I turned on one of his sermons. Oh, it was fantastic. It just like renewed my spirit, which is, I think the point I want to make is you can get so bogged down in studying all the scriptures and trying to get it right and, you know, all this kind of stuff.

But you've got to remember, this is about a person, our God, and it's thrilling. I mean, there's a thrilling aspect to this. And so he read Matthew 28, verse...

which we've read 18 through 20, which probably how many times would you say you've read that in your life? Oh my goodness. I bet I preached it about 30 times. Yeah. Opening line. Look, opening line. He reads that and he's like, we're too familiar with this. Because he said, for somebody to say this, for somebody to say, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Therefore, go make disciples, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything I've commanded you. And surely I'm with you to the end of the age. He said, for somebody to say that, just how totality that statement is. He's either, now he used a Zach word. I think he said, Zach, help me with this. It was like megalomaniac.

I think that was the word he used. Is that a word? It is a word. That is a word. Yeah. So I didn't know what that meant. Well, he just said for a man to say all authority in heaven on earth. He's either a megalomaniac or he's a man that just came back from the dead.

I mean, when he said that, I just got up and I said, now we're talking. And I don't even know what megalomaniac means. But I know he came back from the dead. Yeah. And so the sermon...

It was really about discipleship and making disciples. But just to tell you how much that inspired me. So this morning I had to run some errands before I came here. And this is what I'm telling you. When you get peopled out, stressed out, and all this bad news and suffering and pain and going around and you're in a bad mood and don't realize it.

I was looking for opportunities today because he ended that sermon with, he said, look, this is a phrase that's been around for years, but it's everyone reach one. He's like, as members of the kingdom, because that's what it was about. It was about Matthew 28 there in New York. So I thought I had two good encounters this morning. But I was just telling you, if you look for this among the lost, this really excites you. So the first one, which I didn't have a plan. I just thought,

You know, this person is taking my order. I give the order. You're in a restaurant? Yeah, when I get my credit card, I'm not naming names because I don't want to embarrass these people. I'm trying to reach them for Jesus. So she said, I need your credit card. And she's like, just tap it. But I have a credit card that doesn't tap. You're a non-tapper?

Well, the card won't tap. I tap it and it has the place where you tap it, but it never registers. So I was in the course of saving time. I said, this is not a tapper. I can't tap on the glass. I have to tap all in. Is your card, the card has a tapper that doesn't work or is it not a tapping card?

It's a tapping card. Yeah, it's a tapping card that doesn't work. But the tappers broke on it. And she said, oh, I get it. So she was familiar with this. So then you insert the card. Yeah. And okay, whatever it was, the total amount, yep, you're good to go. And I said, yep, my card. I said, it's a lot like following Jesus.

You can't tap on the glass. You got to go all in. She was looking at me dumbfounded. I said, think about that. I'm gone. Now, I thought that was... You put a pebble in the shoe there. Yeah. She'll walk on that pebble for a while. So next station, there's a guy, has a name tag, Joseph.

And so he's getting all my stuff, you know, and I was like, man, what a name. And he's like, what's that? I said, Joseph. I said, great story in the Bible. Your parents named you well. And he's like, look, kid you not. He said, what's it about? I said, oh, you need to read that. Look it up. I said, when there's chaos in the world and it's just looking bad, I was like, God raised up a man named Joseph.

Good name. He's like, well, I think I will. I said, you do that. You'll wind up with Jesus. That's the silver lining. What was it? Make one? Everybody make one? What was the Tyson line? Everyone reach one. Everyone reach one. Which if everybody did that,

It would change. I mean, the world would be just completely changed overnight. I'm reminded of the verse that the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few. I've never found it difficult to find people who are receptive to work.

Hear about the king. But for some reason, we're just afraid or too busy. I mean, I think we're created in the image of God, and we use that as a noun only just to base all these arguments on. But that is an active verb. We were created to image God, to be an imager.

Which is why that I think the new creation, what it's all about is because I'll give you a verse to kind of help my argument here. Isn't that Colossians 3 where it says, I mean, I absolutely love this verse. I know where it is on the page.

Isn't that Colossians 3? While you're fighting it, it reminded me, Zach, when Jace was talking about the one video that we've mentioned on here before. It's called Who's Your One? It's the exact same concept in the video. It started with your mom. And, of course, I watched it. By the way, you can, Unashamed Nation, you can look it up. Just put in Who's Your One on YouTube and it'll pop up because it's out there in computer land, as Dad says. And it was about, it was kind of in a chain of ones.

of people that included my dad and then a lot of other people since him. And the idea about what the impact could be just from one, because let's face it, some people are going to be gifted to go way beyond one. And so you never know who your one is going to be. And so when I watched it, I would just kind of tear it up because here was your mom and Bill Smith and all these people on the video, people I look up to, some spiritual giants and heroes. Yeah.

And that was their mindset was the one. And you never know who that one is going to impact. That's the thing. Who might then lead thousands or more. Yeah, it just keeps moving. It just keeps the...

It's like the, to borrow from a term we used in a previous podcast, it's viral that you don't even see where it goes. It's such a, I mean, you really, I think that's what Jesus said. But Jace is right. It's really about opportunity. There's a verse in Ephesians 4 that says, make the most of every, or 5, that says, make the most of every opportunity. And yesterday, when Jace was talking about that yesterday, we had a neighbor move in here, you know, next door to us down here in the southern lair. Yeah.

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It was Colossians 3.10, because he was talking about, you know, in chapter 3, the first four verses, since you've been raised with Christ, he had earlier said you had died with Christ, you know, set your mind on things above. But in verse 10, it says, we have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its creator. So it's like you are now a new creation, right?

imaging God, reflecting that God is present. So I really think that's what a lot of the arguments that we have. I really think it's a, which I called it a vocation at one point, but it's God. I mean, what are we here for? We are to reflect the image of God. And so, you know, because of sin and

the evil powers and Reveille, all this thing went haywire. But here comes Jesus to renew his creation, to get back, really to turn back to what Genesis 1 through 3 was supposed to be about, which is they had all this blessing, everything is good. They're supposed to reflect the image of their creator, and blessings came from that. Now, that's really good.

So I think that's a good segue back to John 6. And Jace, we've been promising for a couple of podcasts that we're going to go back to Isaiah because that's what Jesus did. He quoted Isaiah.

When they started grumbling after he gave them the I am the bread of heaven. I mean, which is a bold statement. I mean, he just when he drops an I am usually that's when things either get dicey or people get, you know, their hearts are opened up, but they're grumbling. And so he says in verse 43, stop grumbling among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws him.

And I will raise him up at the last day, which, by the way, he says that four different times in this text. Then he says in verse 45, it is written in the prophets. And this is Isaiah that we're talking about. They will all be taught by God. Everyone who listens to the father and learns from him comes to me. And we were talking about how that's a quote from Isaiah 54, right?

And I love the idea kind of at its core, because we tend to think sometimes, and the Jews certainly felt this way in Jesus' day, that there was something special about them. And just like sometimes we think that in the modern day, there's something special about us, but it's really not. It's God's love for us. Zacchaeus loved this. C.S. Lewis had a great quote that said, his compulsion, talking about God's,

is our liberation. You know, the idea that it rests in the love of God for his creation and humanity. And it's beyond one particular group of people or one particular nation or all the things that we've looked at in the past. I mean, there's no doubt Israel carried the seed line of Messiah. So, you know, we take note of that. But at the same time, it's available for all of man. He created all of us. Yeah.

And when you get to Isaiah 53, that becomes the heart of it. So, Jase, I think you were going to read some out of Isaiah because he has that one little quote, but that entire text, you know, starting with 40, as you mentioned before, but really it is a zeroes in. At 53, it gives you that picture of this suffering Messiah, right? And then he gets into 54. Well, then he says, he starts off talking about seeing... Now, this is, you know, it's a tough read, so...

Maybe from, you know, culture or translating into the Hebrew, from Hebrew to English. But he starts talking about in 54, seeing barren woman, you who never bore a child, burst into song, shout for joy. You who were in labor because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her children.

who has a husband, says the Lord. And you're like, what is he talking about? Well, he kind of explains it. Look at verse 5. For your maker, there it is, for your maker is your husband. So this is one of the times that you can go back and kind of see the foundational building blocks for us ultimately being the bride of Christ. Right. Because he's referring...

to Israel in this way. And that's why when you see in the Old Testament, you know, remember when, I think it's Malachi, it says, he starts talking about why God hates divorce. But he actually, him and Israel got divorced. I mean, can I say that blanket statement? Yeah. Because he said it, so he did good. Well, yeah, I mean, well, I'm not trying to offend anybody. I'm just saying because Israel was unfaithful.

And I mean, that's really what it's about. But despite that, and God being angry about it and pronouncing and performing judgment in various ways, He actually also extended mercy

For future generations, by keeping the hope going through picking one to pick up the torch to eventually bring Jesus. Which, by the way, you just laid out the basis for the book of Hosea, which was the idea that in spite of her unfaithfulness, there was still a love that went there. And Isaiah and Gomer, his wife, were a living illustration of

of what God's love can do for mankind in spite of unfaithfulness, which is an amazing power. So just to find where he quotes this verse in John 6, 45, it says, because his point was, just before I read it, it says, No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I'll raise him up the last day. It is written in the prophets, which we're here now, Isaiah 54, we're fixed to read it. Everyone who listens to the Father...

they will all be taught by God. That's the quote. Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me. No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God. Only he has seen the Father. I tell you the truth. He who believes has everlasting life. I'm the bread of life. So he starts off in Isaiah 54. He's telling me, your maker is your husband. The Lord Almighty is his name. The Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer. He is called the God of all the earth.

The Lord will call you back as if you were a wife deserted and distressed in spirit. A wife who married young only to be rejected says, you're gone. For a brief moment, I abandon you. That's what I was referring to. But with deep compassion, I will bring you back. In a surge of anger, I hid my face from you for a moment. But with everlasting kindness, I will have compassion on you forever.

Says the Lord, your Redeemer. So where am I getting to where that verse is? 13 is the verse that he quotes. So I'm in 9. We're getting to it in 13. To me, this is Isaiah saying this in verse 9 of 54. This is like the days of Noah when I swore that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth. So he's saying, look, I've laid out a promise, and I'm going to do it. There's hope. It's coming. It's coming.

Though the mountains be shaken and the hills be removed, yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken, nor my covenant of peace be removed, says the Lord, who has compassion on you. Then it says, he talks about the afflicted city. I'll make battlements of, and then he gets into all these sparkling jewels, right?

walls of precious stone. So think of that idea of building again that we see quite frequently. Now I want you to bookmark this moment because I have a little rabbit hole about these jewels that, that we're reading here and I will go down that road at some point either in this podcast or the next, but however, we'll get to the point. So in 15, 15,

It says, if anyone does attack you, is it 15 now? That's it? 13. 13. Yeah. 13. So he talks about the jewels being representative. And think what you become, what God is building here through people coming to him. All your children will be taught by the Lord, and great will be their peace.

So what do we make of this? Maybe 17, if I read it, it'll help you. The last sentence of the chapter, it says, this is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and this is their vindication from me, declares the Lord. And let me do one other thing. So if you just go into chapter 55 from here,

You're going to be shocked at what this says. So he says that, right? He's like, your children are going to be taught. There's a new heritage forming because of my unfailing love. But Jesus is now in John 6 saying, remember that? I'm that guy. Yeah. Because he said, I'm the bread of life. Well, read Isaiah 55. It leaks over into 55. Watch what 55 says. Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters and you...

Who have no money, come buy and eat. What was the first question in John 6 that we wrote down by Jesus? Remember what he said? Where shall we buy bread for the people to eat? Now, let me read Isaiah 55, 1 again. Come all who are thirsty, come the Lord, and you who have no money, come buy and eat. And you who have no money, come buy and eat. Wow.

See what we did here? Sounds familiar. Yeah. For you that are really studying John 6, that is a moment. My lovely wife, Missy, got all of us the cozy earth pajamas, which makes sense. I mean, if you're going to be on the earth, you need to relish the times that are spent in cozy attire. Well, that's a good point, Jason. When they became a sponsor of the show, I ordered a pair, and they are absolutely incredible. I'm not kidding.

Like we got the sheets, we got the pajamas, we got the whole thing. Zach, you were at my house and I walked in the living room and you had your cozy earth pajamas and so did I. I was like, look, we're matching. We should have taken a picture. We should have taken a picture because we both had on the exact, which is interesting. We both chose the exact same pair of pajamas. So Al and I actually have matching pajamas together.

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When I read that, I thought, oh, my goodness. They were familiar with what he was saying. They just weren't making the connection that Isaiah was talking about this guy that we've been following. Exactly. And so then look, verse 2 of 55. Listen to this. Why spend money on what is not bread?

That's why I made the big deal last podcast is saying that he was calling what he offered him being the bread of life, real bread, real food, real water. We just have it backwards as humans because we have the wrong perspective of it. We're like, well, a man's got to eat. I mean, man's got to eat or he'll die. Jesus is like, you're going to die anyway. But if you get with me, oh, you won't die. That's the reality. Your reality is based on a false narrative.

You're thinking by eating bread every day that you're going to live.

No, you'll live, but at one point you'll die. Which is why he tells Satan, man does not live on bread alone, but on the very words of God. So then he goes on just to sum this up. He's like, give ear and come to me. Listen that you may live. That's Isaiah 55.3. Is that not the whole point of what he's saying? Come to me, you'll live, you'll live, you'll live, you'll live, you'll live. I came from heaven, I came from heaven, I came from heaven, I came from heaven.

So that's the point. And then it goes on in verse 5 to say, Because of the Lord your God, the Holy One, He has endowed you with splendor. Seek the Lord while He may be found. Call on Him while He's near. I mean, it's just the same. Well, you also say, when you think about the idea that He's going to draw all men to Himself, we've talked a whole lot about

You know, that overlay of the New Testament opening up salvation to all kinds of people. Let's listen to the language here in 55. He said,

Where are you at? I'm in Isaiah 55, verse 5. Okay. So you start thinking about, man, what is happening here today?

in the Gospel of John is that Christ, the salvation of Israel, has come, and it turns out that not only is He the salvation of Israel, He's going to be the salvation of the entire world, and nations will be called that didn't know Him.

Nations that did not even know anything about him will actually run to him, nations outside of Israel because of Israel. And so that, again, going back to that phrase that Paul uses, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile, you're seeing it even play out here. So I think there's a lot more implications here when you, anytime you reference the Old Testament, particularly Prophet Isaiah,

I mean, there's a whole lot of eschatology going on in this passage, believe it or not. Well, and not only that, Zach, you think about that concept of children, when Jace read that earlier. In their minds, maybe they were just thinking about their patronage, their particular line. But you remember what he told Abraham way back with the first promise to a childless man. He said, your children, your offspring,

will be like stars in the sky and sand on the seashore.

I mean, try to count that. Yeah, like the covenant just continues to unfold, the covenant that God makes. And it's always, in some regard, a one-way covenant like it was in Genesis 15. Yeah. And, you know, he split the animals and he said, go through. Well, Moses, I mean, Abraham never went through the, God went through by himself. So it was essentially saying, if you break this covenant, may this happen to me. So in John 6,

What you're seeing, again, you're seeing Christ taking preeminence in the initiation of the covenant. Christ says he draws you in. Christ invites you in. But there it is. We do have a response, though, because he also says in Matthew's gospel that how I long to gather you under my wing like a hen. Mother hen gathers her chicks, but you were not willing. You weren't willing.

So there is the element here of he's trying to gather us in. Well, the idea is it's all in. Let me read one verse just before you go back. This is Galatians 3.16, the tithe, what I was saying about Abraham. The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed, his heritage, his children. The scripture does not say and to seeds, meaning many people, but and to your seed, meaning one person who is Christ.

So from the very beginning, because the question is like in Isaiah 55, which is right after this quote that Jesus gives, um,

Who is the nation? He said, behold, you shall call a nation that you do not know and a nation that did not know you shall run to you. Well, who's he talking about? Not Israel. Yeah. Well, it's where I started, Matthew 28. It's all nations coming under one head, which is what Ephesians 1 was about, which is why we referenced that. There's a reason that in the first chapter of Ephesians that God

When we're going back to the beginning, 11 times the phrase in Christ is used, and throw in a couple more of through Christ. Yeah. So good point. And since we had gone forward, which I think is okay, to what the implications were, well, just think of Acts 2. You know, Jesus goes to the right hand of God. He pours out the Holy Spirit in Acts 2. All these nations. Yeah.

gather all the Jews from different nations gather up. They have this miracle that shows that this is from God. And then Peter stands up and gives the first sermon post Holy Spirit falling out post Jesus at the right hand of God. He shares. What does he share? He shares Jesus. He planted seeds like I did this morning, but he just did it better because he had an audience sitting there listening after a miracle of God.

But when he gets to the end and they say, well, what do we do? And remember the famous response Peter gave, repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins. You'll receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. But then the verse 39 says, the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, for all whom the Lord our God will call. So even here, you're seeing the implication of Jesus

teaching your children, you know, when Jesus was referring to that and the reason he quoted that in John 6? Because what did Peter, what was, if you had to say, what did really Peter preach as the first sermon? What was the theme of the sermon?

Well, what would you say? Well, the theme was it's always been pointing towards this moment. I mean, yeah, you killed the one that came to save you. Yeah, there's a guy named Jesus. And you are waiting on the Messiah. Well, guess what? He came. His name was Jesus. You put him on a cross. I mean, that was the whole lot. And he starts in Joel, too, because he says even Joel understood this moment. And today is the moment where we realize it. How many people were drawn to that that day?

3,000. At least 3,000. And some others probably responded later because you can't base anything on response. It's out of your control. Can you imagine that you're in that moment? I mean, I was thinking about this as the picture popped in my mind. We talked about the Luke 24 passage in the last podcast when Jesus opened their mind to the Scriptures. But now Peter...

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figure that you had built your entire hopes on, you nailed him to a Roman cross, and then they're just like, the Bible says they're cut to the heart. But it's not the end, because he says, but Christ raised him from the dead three days later. So Peter gives him the death, the burial, and the resurrection of Jesus. But if you're in that moment, you can imagine when he connected the recent happenings of Christ to their entire Old Testament paradigm,

That is the moment of Pentecost right there.

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What I love about it, Zach, is that Jesus highlighted it even before we got into this text with the woman at the well, by even dropping this whole water, living water line on her, because she was one person who was thirsty. And not just thirsty for the water out in the well, obviously more than that. Whenever I go, and those of us who have had what I call prodigal moments where we're like the kid in Luke 15, the lost son,

You know, you realize that at the moment where you realize you are hungry and thirsty, and I'm not talking about for food or drink, but I'm talking about for more than what life has now offered you because you've just blown it. You're in a terrible place. And someone can make the most of that opportunity and speak the word, the word of Christ into you in that moment. I mean, it's what you've been looking for. I mean, there is a police officer.

And I don't know if he's dead or alive now, but I mean, he spoke the word into me at a time when I was hungry and thirsty on a city street in Kenner, Louisiana, when I was 18 years old.

And I've never seen this man again. But you know what? When we cross over, I'm finding this man because he did exactly what Matthew 28 said. He saw someone hungry and thirsty and he had the word to speak into my life. He offered you the appeal of Isaiah 55. That's it. Come everyone who's thirsty. Exactly. He was Jesus speaking through him.

was the invitation for you to come because you were thirsty. And when Jace started this whole conversation, it's interesting. You were talking about discipleship when you said when you listened to John Tyson's podcast. I think where this ties into discipleship is that there's an immediate nature to what Jesus is doing in John 6. This is not a procrastinated kingdom that's coming a long way from now. This is a present time.

And that gives a sense of urgency to it. I think that's why we one reason why we don't make disciples enough in the church is that we because we're procrastinating. And the kingdom that Christ seems to be teaching is much more imminent. No, I think I think it's I think you're right. And you're I think going back to your illustration about being people now or whatever you say.

Because really, that's our whole mission is to be about people. But it's messy. They're sinful. They do things wrong. We're sinful. That's why it's so hard for us to go out there and share because it's uncomfortable. People don't care about Jesus. You're persecuted. There will be resistance. Well, you know what hit me in that sermon, which I know we didn't plan on going here, but we're here now, is...

You know, Tyson in his sermon, he made a little quip about, he said, you know, Jesus never wrote a book, which when he said that, I thought,

Well, the Holy Spirit carried him along. So technically, but then I thought, well, he is the book. But it's right, because our definition of success, if you're really going places, well, look, what do you do? You write a book. You travel all over the world. You build mighty projects or in business or what. That's how we view success. But here's Jesus. He never wrote a book. I mean, you're just saying, why didn't he just write one?

Because he really is the word of God. He lived it in person. But he never traveled over 100 miles, and he was homeless. That was the point he made. But I added to that, you know, he didn't have a phone, no social media. He never used a microphone. I mean, you think, well, how did he become the most popular person to ever walk the earth? But it just shows you how we think versus how –

what he did. And I think these conversations that he's having to these people using those Hebrew scriptures, fast forward, oh, that's about me. I mean, it just became so viral for ages to come based on how he went about

daily conversations and speaking with people around him. I mean, I just think it's fascinating. You know, he quotes, obviously, the prophets in the Old Testament a lot, but

you know, in his, in his speeches and his conversations and his teaching. But you're right. I never thought about it. You just said that the only time you ever see him really interact with the scrolls himself, you remember, I can't remember if it was Matthew or Mark, but one of the gospels, he's in the synagogue. And when they're having like the readings, which they would do every, you know, every time they got together, he was reading Isaiah 53, right?

And it was about him. And can you imagine how surreal that moment was that he's reading this text? And remember, they were like, who is he talking about? And he was talking about himself when he when he's reading it. But imagine that moment for Jesus, because he had been there all along.

And now here he is in his time to come, which was right there at the moment, and he's reading about himself in Isaiah 53. It's true. And I'll confess, I wrote a book, but now I look back on it, we already had one. And it's basically all you need. So I'll repent. Since you repented earlier, Zach, I'll repent of that. That was probably a dumb move. But they pay you to do it, and you justify it, saying, well, I'm going to make it all about Jesus. Right.

But, you know, we already have one about Jesus. So it's better. It's way better. It's not even a comparable scale. No, that's true. To tie it up with this concept of authority and the Great Commission as well, when Jesus says he claimed all authority, last night at house church, we met and

The gentleman leading the discussion, he just read Psalm 22 because I had preached on Psalm 22. Actually, I didn't even preach on Psalm 22. I preached on Mark, out of Mark 15 on the crucifixion of Jesus. Well, give us the overview of Psalm 22. Psalm 22 is, if you read it,

You would say, wait a second, this isn't the Old Testament because it is a exact description of what happened to Jesus on the cross, how he was pierced, how he put the crown of thorns on his head. Everything's in there. And it's a messianic prophecy about the way that Christ would die. And so we sat in that, like he read the text and

And just in silence, we sat there for a minute. And it was heavy. It was very heavy because we didn't get into the resurrection on Sunday because it was the Sunday before Easter. We do that on Easter, but we just sit in the death that week before on Palm Sunday. And we preach like it's a Good Friday sermon. And so we just sat there. Well, then somebody turned the page. And I love it because it literally was on the next page. It's like literally they turned the page past Jesus.

past the death of Christ. And the picture in Psalm 22 is the picture of the Christ with full authority and dominion. In one translation, the word dominion is actually used, which made me think of Daniel 7, that passage. But this is what it says. And just listen to the language here at the end of Psalm 22, verse 27. All the ends of the earth shall remember Christ.

all the ends of the earth, not one people group, all the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord and all the families of all the nations shall worship before you for the kingship belongs to the Lord and he rules or he has dominion over the nations. And I'm just like, even in that messianic text, that prophecy in Psalm 22 about the death of Christ,

You also see the Great Commission when Christ claims all authority on heaven and earth has been given to me. Now go and make what? Disciples of all nations. Go fulfill what the man, this is the mandate. This is what we're doing. This is the plan. And I just think that that authority, that dominion, it's all, it is all just soaking in all of this, even in John 6. I agree. Well, we're out of time. And I know our goal was to get through John 6 today.

But that didn't happen because, well, we have to go through this Deuteronomy. Yeah, it's too good. I agree. And I have some things about the jewels from Isaiah 54 that I think you'll find fascinating. So we can do that for the next podcast. But I just want to say they were grumbling and arguing. And I just want to sum this up. I think the worst travesty on this earth that you can do as a follower of Jesus is waste a day because you only have so many.

I mean, they're numbered for your life. It's to waste a day arguing and grumbling. And with that, we can segue into part two of will we ever get through John 6? Yeah.

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