Ep 1104 | Phil Robertson Actually Walked the Red Carpet at Cannes & His Bodyguard Made a Guy Disappear
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What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. I'm still down here at the Southern Lair. So we're kind of in our boxes today looking at you guys on YouTube. I had experience yesterday. So I know that Summer's here because we have guests that are here, Phyllis' family.

So her siblings from Missouri are here this week. And so I went to the beach, which I hadn't done in a while. You'd think we live next to the beach, so we'd go a lot, but we really don't. You kind of, it's funny when you start spending more time down here, you don't go quite as much. But so I had the ultimate beach read and you guys are going to appreciate this because I'm holding up the book here for those of you watching. This is our old friend, Chad Robichaux. He's not that old, Al.

Well, that's true. But we are. And he's been a friend for a few years and we love him. He's one of our favorite people on the planet. Would you not agree, Jase? No, I would agree. I just use that he's not that old because I really had a groundbreaking revelation. Not a revelation. Yeah, I guess it was revealed to me.

On where I'm wanting to go today. And it's the opposite of old. So I was trying to drop that in right off the bat. Oh, you were just setting it up for later. So let me tell you about it. Foreshadowing. Thank you, Zach. Zach, now we're finally going places. Because I was looking for a word. And then I didn't think I have a guy who's into words. Foreshadowing.

Foreshadowing. What a word. Can you believe that? That's a celebration, Zach. He just acknowledged you using a word that now he's happy with. Well, I realize Zach's role in my life with vocabulary because I know all the seven-letter words and lower because of my... Matty's looking confused here. No, it's called Scrabble. If you use all your letters, you get 50 points. Well, but I only deal in words seven letters or smaller because...

Why would I want to give my time when I can't use that word on the Scrabble board? Because I'll tell you why. Because you need to know the eight-letter words so that you can, if you ever get an opportunity to use all seven letters. Yeah, plus a letter. Plus a letter. So you need to up it to eight. Well, that was my kryptonite in Scrabble because...

My brain has less capacity. But your strength was your two-letter words. You knew all the two-letter words. Well, that was more Willie's strength. Yeah.

He studied the dictionary to come up with every two-letter word with high point values. XI is a two-letter word. It's a Greek letter. It's a word. Someone challenges you. Take that challenge. Yes. You can get some points off that. No, he did send that text because there's another bestseller list somewhere. I don't know what you like to read, but I like this genre of books. It's called military fiction.

And I read a lot of the guy, Ryan Stack. I've mentioned him before on the podcast, Joel Rosenberg. But these guys, it's like our guys going into –

you know, terrorist countries. And it's just like really gripping stuff. But Chad is talented. And one of the things I noticed about his book that's a little bit different than some of the others I've read is you can tell by reading it, I guess because we know him so well, that he's been there. He's been there and done that. So the technical side of what he gets into is really, really good. Well, that's what stood out.

We do a lot of things with the military and these special forces. I had a guy back when it was kind of crazy in the Duck Dynasty days who was my bodyguard. He was a Navy SEAL. What stood out is not only could this guy hurt you, make you have a bad day in a very short period of time. I think he said one time,

11 second. He was talking about, I was like, what? I noticed you kind of bowed up there. And he's like, yeah, it's probably been an 11 second operation. That's what he said. Which I found hilarious. Not 10. That's how long it would take him. Yeah, he just said, he summed up the guy who was being belligerent and he diffused the situation. But when I was like picking his brain up,

The fact that he said 11 seconds as opposed to, it's just not a number that I would throw out there. You know, I get it. Eight seconds, you're riding a bull. I would think 10 seconds, you know, just because it's a multiple of 10. 11 scared me. You know what I mean? The fact that he knew that. Exactly. I think this will be over.

In 11 seconds. Well, look, Zach, we were in, back in the day, we were doing some film stuff for Torchbearer, which was the movie Zach helped write and produce. And we were at the Cannes Film Festival in France. So there were a couple of Navy SEALs that were with us. And, you know, these guys were serious business. So everywhere we would go, they were with us. And Zach, I don't know if you remember this, we were walking kind of in single file mode.

And there was a crowd of people and this guy comes up and he was obviously inebriated in some fashion. And he recognized dad, you know, immediately because dad kind of stood out, by the way, in France. And he comes up and I'm walking right behind dad and he just appears like.

Like right there at us. And he's like kind of pawing at dad, you know, and like, but he's drunk or high or something. And I mean, there's one of the guys behind us and one is leading us. And I don't know what happened, except that man disappeared.

And it didn't take 11 seconds. He disappeared in about three seconds. And we just kind of sped up a little bit because there was something going on. We weren't sure. And I never saw this person. I don't know what happened, but I don't know one thing. When the SEAL stepped in,

the problem went away and went away quickly. Do you remember that, Zay? I do, yeah. It was amazing. I mean, just like I was like, these guys are... You know what, actually, I counted it, and it was 11 seconds. The whole situation was off. My point was these guys... It was foreshadowing. What makes this special forces and people, my whole point, this is going off the rails, was that they're smart. Yeah. And that's why you said that he wrote a book that...

What'd you call it? Military fiction. Military fiction. Yeah. It's a guy that's a lot like our guy, but it's like it's a made-up story. But it's fantastic. I've read half of it already. The main character's name is not Chad. It's Thad Robichaud. I know.

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I just want to let you guys know that before we get into the meat of the podcast today. All right, we're in, John. We're in, John. I'm itching to get into this. And my apologies to my wife. She was like, oh, you got a podcast today. And like 17 minutes later, because then I told her what I was going to get into. So she got the first version of that.

Yeah. Are you going to set this up, Al? Yeah, so I do, because there was one thing I wanted to mention last time. I didn't get a chance to. This will kind of get us back into the text. But we had talked about what set up this text was the interaction with Jesus and the woman caught in adultery. And I think we can all agree the thing that makes that story most relevant, wherever it fits into the narrative, is that they had picked up stones

to stone this woman, but dropped them because Jesus, you know, basically says, I am the only one who can condemn people here is the point. Thank you for saying this, because I was telling Missy last night, I said, I think we're too familiar with these stories. Yeah. And I brought up the story in John 8 here, which is where we're at.

Because I was like, I mean, do you realize what this means? Which I told her what we had said earlier on the podcast. I think that's why it had a problem finding its place in the Bible. Yeah. But when you just think about it, I mean, this is people who are steeped in sin. And in their day, I mean, this was a sin associated with you being killed over. Yeah. And then there's a way to start over.

Here's a guy who's claiming there's a way to have a new start. Notice the word new. That's really the theme of what I want to talk about. But I think it carries over into...

you know, the next story because you're getting opposition. It's life and death. And that's what struck me, Jay, is just kind of looking back to reset us to where we were because we talked quite a bit about that in the last podcast. He starts with light, but you made the point and went back and read in Genesis 1. Also, we looked at John 1.

That these are life and death moments. It was a life and death moment for this woman. They picked up the rocks. He convinces them he's the only one sin free that could condemn her. And he doesn't. He says, you know, neither do I. Now leave your life of sin. And then at the end of our next text, which is at the end of this chapter, they're picking those stones back up. But this time to go after him again.

And so I just want to set that up because the backdrop that that takes us into this conversation now he's going to have with him, which is really going to be quite the ebb and flow because it starts out with the light of the world. And we went to Isaiah and Jay, she read several passages there. And then Zach, we left off with Zach.

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In L.A. And then we just went to the season five premiere because we're kind of leading up to the crucifixion now. Right. We're getting into those final days of Jesus's life. Here's the way they put it. Loyalties will be tested, pushed to the edge of faith and trust.

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We all know this is a story that's profound, and it didn't just change lives. It changed the world. So we're all going to be watching the new season. You don't want to miss this one. Season five comes to Prime Video June the 15th. Don't miss it. I left one thing out, you know, in my study with Isaiah. Last podcast, I just, my brain wasn't clicking on all cylinders. But...

This is fascinating. The reason I kept going to Matthew 5 and 6, where it said, you're the light of the world, because it was kind of a fulfillment of taking the old law and now Jesus fulfilling it, which is in Matthew 5. But he uses this, you're the salt of the earth, you're the city on the hill, you're...

You'll be the light of the world. You can't hide the light. It's shining. Yeah. Yeah. It's all that stuff. But then the next paragraph talks about him being the fulfillment of the law. Well, look, there's a little wordplay in Isaiah 2. The whole reason I went there. Remember that day I said, why did I go to Isaiah? Because y'all didn't have that down, which he talks about light. Right. Yeah. But he also talks about justice and justice.

And he mentions, you know, the law. And so it's like, you got to remember when you think back to Israel, well, why did God give them the law? I mean, what would y'all say? It's like he chose the nation. They were going to be his special people. He was going to dwell with them. It's like a marriage.

Why did he give them the law? Well, I would say for – it's kind of a here and now and then and there. The first reason was to provide structure for them to live and become a nation in the moment. But then beyond that, it was basically to show them that they couldn't be him. Well, that's true. The second part is what we really focus on. But what I'm saying is the first part of what you said, I would add this –

That they would, their purpose, because when we're created in the image of God, we tend to use that as an argument as, you know, the sanctity of life, which is true. Yeah. But we're actually supposed to image God, reflect that he is real, he is powerful. Right. Which I would add, the part of the law that was given also was to reflect the character of God. It was actually to reflect his character and to restrain people

Thank you. You're on a roll today, Zach. You're on a roll. That's exactly what I was thinking, reflecting the character. This is what God is like. The problem is...

I feel like I'm backing up. I just have one little point, but I'm having to back up. The problem is when you read the law, Leviticus and Deuteronomy, you're like, well, this seems... Because our modern-day culture, you know, we're looking at this. This is kind of crazy here, you know, extreme. But you've got to remember, compared to the nations back then that they were to be a light to...

Well, look at the things they were doing. I mean, just to give you a – it's like, remember, there's somewhere in the law, it's like they're talking about other nations. I mean, they were putting their babies in boiling goat milk. It's just like crazy stuff. And you're like, well, that's why you have some extreme laws here. Yeah. Because that's just –

they would build a big fire and put an iron deal on top of it and then throw babies into that as a sacrifice. Exactly. I mean, there was crazy stuff. You have laws against, hey, don't have sex with animals. I mean, do we really need to? I figured that would be pretty self-explanatory. But I'm saying it was a reflection of what the other nations and what God's nation would represent.

Obviously, they couldn't keep it. The reason I'm saying all this is the word light in Greek is or. I looked this up, if I can remember this, because I should have done it last time. Well, does that sound familiar? Not really, unless you say Torah. Torah.

And if you're the Greek word for like teaching the law is your. And my point is, what do or Torah and your all have in common? The word for light is in each one. It's shining a light on what, like Zach said, the character of God and people representing him.

And if you don't know it, what Jace is referring to is the Torah is the first five books of the Bible or the Old Testament. And we think, well, the law, because the law was shedding light. And so you come to a question, what's my whole point?

Well, are you going to trust what he says? That's why when Jesus, the word became flesh, the word. You have all these words that represent, it sheds light on God's character and how you should be operating and reflecting your creator. And when you're teaching it, you know, it's the same thing. You're bringing to light. Well, Jesus says, I'm the light of the world.

And so he's fulfilling the law in that it's not a rule, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. You know, we had the Ten Commandments. We had the numbers. But what were they all reflecting? Don't have any other gods before me. Are you going to trust the one true God? And then so he became a human to shed light on what is expected of godly people living with God.

Dwelling with this. So it comes to what is he doing now? And the reason I think this is important, because every little thing you do in some way can reflect God's character. Every little conversation. Well, that's where we ended last podcast. I mentioned Psalm 27.

which says what you said in a sense. He says, "...the Lord is my light and my salvation. Whom shall I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life. Whom shall I be afraid? When evildoers assail me to eat up my flesh, my adversaries and foes, it is they who stumble and fall."

Though an army encamp against me, my heart shall not fear. Though war rise against me, yet I will be confident. One thing I have asked of the Lord that I will seek after, that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life to gaze upon the beauty of the Lord and to inquire in His temple. So when you think about the light, it's the illumination of the beauty of

of God, which is His character. And the way that we actually gain access to that is to actually be in His presence, to dwell with Him, which is the point of that temple motif that we talked about. So if you go to the end of the Bible in Revelation 21, which is the second, there's only 22 chapters in Revelation, it's

In verse 22, you see the fulfillment of all of this when John the Revelator goes into the temple and listen to the language of temple presence and light and the nations, for that matter, in here. And I saw, he goes into the new city and he says, I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God, the Almighty. So he's

Here's that word light again. And its lamp is the lamb. So the actual source of the light is the actual lamb. By its light will the nations walk and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it and its gates will never be shut by day and there will be no night.

that picture of light being connected, it's not even that, like, it's not that Jesus, like, turns on a flashlight and he's, like, pointing it. No, he is the flashlight. Like, he is the eternal light. He is the same flame that,

that was burning in the bush in Exodus chapter 3. And you see this, the tongues of fire that came on them in Acts chapter 2 in the form of the Holy Spirit. Like God is light in every aspect of the Word.

Oh, thank you. Where is that? It says it'll be no night. Which verse was that? That's Revelation 21. Oh, I thought you were reading that from Psalm 27. No, I was bringing that up. Yeah, I was bringing it to Revelation. Well, I'm so glad you did because that's where I was headed.

The exact same place because what kind of city was it? What kind of city was it? Yeah, you read it. There was a descriptive word for the city. Let's see here. It has three letters on a scrabble board.

The first one is in. The new city? New. New. Yep. Okay, so here's what happened. The new Jerusalem. Jason's been waiting for the word new. We got it. Well, let's just take a little look-see here. Let me see. I need to pull up Revelation 21.

Yeah, Revelation 21. There's another use of that word. Where does it say he's going to make all things new? He says that in Revelation 21.5. 21.5, let's read that. He was seated on the throne. I am making all things new. As opposed to I'm making new things.

Now, what is the difference in that? What is the difference in all new things or all things new?

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for every gallon on your first tank of gas using promo code UNASHAMED. All new things would be...

Creation ex nihilo, which means creating out of nothing, which he did when he created the heavens and the earth. Creation, yeah. That's a word. It's a phrase. But to create the new things or to create or make all things new is you take the things that have already been made and you're remaking them. And you renew. That's right. Oh, this is so good.

This is fixing to blow your mind. So I'll tell you a story before it gets too deep. But he used the little word neo. And, you know, we put that on different words. You can look it up. There's hundreds of them. I don't know if you want to give an example. So which is one of the Greek words for new. So I'll give you an illustration. This is funny, I think.

It's funny to me. I'm watching the LSU baseball game, and Ben McDonald is the color commentator. A lot of you may not know who Ben McDonald is. However, I want to tell you a back story before I tell you the real story. Ben McDonald, I had three of his rookie cards because he pitched for LSU. I believe he won a national championship during that little time.

Stretch, didn't we not, Al? I think so, yeah. I think so. But anyway, he's a wonderful color commentator because he's from Louisiana. Yeah. I mean, this guy is hilarious. Loves to hunt and fish. Oh, he just has all these little words and quips. And, you know, if he's commentated on the game, it's just – I mean, because you feel like – you realize why Louisiana does well on –

you know, various TV shows and things like that. Storytellers and characters, and you got the Cajun world and the cooking and the eating and just different people. But he made a reference during the game. He said he called the new bridge. So there's a new bridge that they have in Baton Rouge, and it's called the new bridge.

Well, it's 60 years old. And he said that. He said over there he was given some descriptive part of, and he's like, you know, I'm really not sure why we call that new. It was built 50, 60 years ago. And so they had a funny conversation about that because they still call it the new bridge. And it got my attention because I thought, why do they call that the new bridge? That's crazy, you know.

Well, when I read this last night, I immediately went back to that story, which is a crazy thing for me to do in my mind. Because we have in the English language one word for new. When you say new, it's new. That's why Ben McDonald was having trouble. It's no longer new. At what point is this not new?

I would say 60 years we've crossed that line. Wouldn't you agree? But there's still, if you look it up on Wikipedia, because I did this morning, it says it's referred to as the new bridge.

And I'm like, these Cajuns, are they just crazy? But it's not just Cajuns, Jace, because we built a new auditorium at our church in 1978. And then for 30 or 40 years called it the new auditorium. And now people still call it that. It's been there 50 years. So as boring as this conversation is right now,

The power of what I'm fixing to share with you, the reason that we had to do that in my mind, and I mean we as in me and the Holy Spirit, is because I did not realize, and I'm going to show it. It's in Mark 2, 22, and Zach has some really good material on this.

I'm going to read you something in Mark 2 because there are two words for new in the Greek. So Zach already mentioned one, and he had no idea I was fixed to do this. This neos, and when you look it up, it's translated young, like usually sometimes it's literally translated like children or babies. It's like time. They hadn't been here long. They're new. Like think born again. Yeah.

Yeah. It's used in that context. So you hadn't been here long, which is why Ben McDonald was struggling with that. And you had a perfect illustration. Now they still call it the new auditorium. There's nothing new about it. Yeah. So the reason we're, we needed another word. Well, the Greeks have it and it's also used in the new Testament. So that neos is used, but also here's the other one. If I can pronounce it, canos. And when you read it, it's,

It's more about quality. And I'm going to define it in this verse because I have a verse unbeknownst to me that Jesus very cleverly

very, very cleverly used both words. And for years, I could not figure out this text because no one told me what I'm fixed to say. He uses the two different Greek words for new in the same sentence. You're talking about Scrabble mixed with a spelling bee. Toss in a little supernatural. Hmm.

Motivation? And boy, you have something that will blow your doors off talking about walking in the light of the Lord.

Oh, I gave a... Jace can set up a text. I gave a midnight amen last night in the dark. Before you say that, we did a podcast on this... I'm not ashamed. On the Not Yet Now podcast, we did an episode last week on this text that you're going to

So I did not know you were going here, but I am. Did you say anywhere in that podcast that there are two different words for new? I did not. Well, you missed it.

I didn't miss it. I may have missed that. I didn't miss it. I know you got the rest of it, but I was just trying to be dramatic. Because look, I mean, this is... I didn't. I didn't grab that. What I'm fixing to show you is... But we did a whole podcast on the new wine, and the new wine skins, and the garments. Well, I will give you the smoking gun. This is the get up off the couch, the run from your darkness...

And don't go through the door. You're just going right through the wall. Well, let's hear it. And you're saying, let's hear it. I mean, you've set it up. Let's get it. I'm ready. Let's get it. Be light. All right, I'm going to give you the context just so you know I'm not making this up. So it says, Mark 2, 18, now John's disciples and the Pharisees were fasting.

Because it has the language here for John. We're going to go back to John about this light of the world. Some people came and asked Jesus, how is it that John's disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees are fasting but yours are not? Jesus answered, how can the guest of the bridegroom fast while he's with them? You immediately go to that John 3. Remember, Al, where John the Baptist, they have this conversation about

Just to give you a little flavor before I... Because I want to tie this to John, and if we don't, I feel like we missed the whole thing here. But remember when he said, when John replied over the argument about baptism, on like John the Baptist was baptizing people and...

They were saying, hey, he's baptizing more than Jesus. Something has to be done here. And John replied, this is 327. A man can receive only what is given from heaven. Yourselves can testify of nothing, Christ. And then he says, the bride belongs to the bridegroom. Now, what is this a vision of?

It's a vision of us being married to Jesus. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice. That joy is mine and now complete. He must become greater. I must become less. But then he gets into the language. The one who comes from above is above all. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth and everything.

speaks as one from the earth. Well, we're fixed to get into that in John 8, in this passage that we're, where we're at. Where is that, Al, in John 8? Yeah, it's the above and below. The above and the below. We'll read it later. So back to Mark 2. Then he says, they cannot, this is 2.19 of Mark, they cannot so long as they have him with them.

But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and on that day they will fast. Well, he's obviously talking about when he goes to the Father, which he's repeatedly said in John, and will continue to do so, and you'll have the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, right? Yep. So...

He says, no one sews a patch of untrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse. And no one pours new wine into old wineskins.

If he does, the wine will burst the skins and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined.

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Simply text 30CAMPS to 44321 to give today. So here's the verse. No, he pours new wine, which is neos. It's as far as time, fresh. You know, not fresh because that would be quality. Age, I guess. It's new wine. It just came off the vine. Into new, which is neos.

Kainos, the quality, fresh, as in it's a better... A better vessel. Existence, I guess. So it's not necessarily the time. And what's interesting about Revelation 21, that it's in Revelation, most religious people spend all their time, they literally call it the end of times.

which somebody, you know, came up with that phrase. And they're all, everybody's wondering, oh, what's going to happen? And some people say, now this is, and it's all about time. Some people believe, you know, there's going to be a war and there's a, you know, this, then this is going to happen, but it's all time related, you know, this. But when you, what word do you think is used as the new word?

In Revelation 21. I would guess quality is where you're going. It's the quality. It's the quality. So you say, well, is that found other places? Yep. Colossians 1. But isn't that clever that Jesus, because if you just knew English, you never got it. Yeah. He's like, I'm bringing something new and new.

And it's two different news. It's new as far as the time. There's a new, that's why when you think the time, look, when he says the time has come in Mark 1, because that's Mark 2. But when he said Mark 1, the time has come, the kingdom of God is near. So he's bringing something new.

But inside that new coming, there's a new quality of newness. And here's what's fascinating. The second word is used on a continual basis as in daily. And I'm going to give you two instances of it. Colossians 3. I mean, this is fascinating to me. Colossians 3 in verse 10 says,

Now, he had just said in verse 9, and remember, this is, remember the baptism part in Colossians 2, and you were dead, yet you're alive. And then he's like, set your hearts on things above where Christ is seated, because he's at the right hand. For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ. Remember all that? So verse 9, it's like, don't lie. You've taken off the old self.

Now watch this. And have put on the new self. Well, guess what? That's the one about the time related. That's the Neo, which is being, you say that word? Renewed. Guess which one that is? It's the other one. In knowledge, in the image of its creator. So look, tie that in with time.

2 Corinthians 4, which you read on the last podcast, Al. Yeah. Chapter 4, verse 16 of 2 Corinthians. Therefore, we do not lose heart, though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we're being renewed. There's the kainos, the quality, day by day.

I mean, that's the gist of what I discovered. Well, it actually goes into something I've thought a lot about, even the description that Jesus gives of eternal life and his definition of it in John 17.

Because I think we interpret life in the same way. We think about it only in terms of eternal life, only in terms of a quantitative description. Yeah. But we don't think about it enough in its quality. And the way that Jesus describes eternal life, he doesn't describe it as...

a quantitative thing. He describes it as a qualitative thing. And the quality of that life is actually to know Him. It's to know the one true God in Jesus Christ, His Son, whom He sent. Which is why I think that when you're reading through the Scriptures, it's so important that when you are interpreting the Scriptures, it's really interpreting them through that lens of presence, first and foremost. I mean, you're reading the Scripture and

Because what is the whole thing? It's a revelation of God's character, and it's an invitation into the inner life of that character. And the way that that happens is that God makes a covenant with His people, and we become participators in this covenant.

And I think that's a beautiful way to think about it. But it's interesting. I did not see the, I didn't see that. I'll be honest with you. Well, here's what it does though, Zach. And I didn't give you the conclusion. Why is that so exciting? You're like, oh, Jace, why is that so exciting? Because when the name of your podcast, the Not Yet Now, well, everybody goes to Revelation talking about, oh, we're going to have all these new things.

But when you think of the way he worded it, not necessarily new things, but all things new, and this heaven and earth coming together, you then realize that when you have the Holy Spirit in you, you now have one foot, going back to Revelation 21, you have one foot

in the old heaven and earth. And you have one foot in the new heaven and earth. Now you say, well, what do you mean? And think Ephesians 1, 10, where he said his whole purpose for sending Christ is for all things in heaven and on earth.

to be under one head, you know, to bring them together. So, you know, once you get the spirit, well, now you're able through your service and sacrifice as God is leading you on the planet now to give people a vision on a daily basis of newness, new creation, right?

So that's why it makes verses make sense that previously haven't. Like the one that says, the verse that says your body in Romans 8, where it says your body is dead, yet your spirit is alive. Well, there's the two feet in. You're going to live forever because the next verse says if the spirit is in you, he will raise you from the dead.

But you are actually a part of the new creation, a part of the kingdom now. So you're able to give God's presence, God's character, God now.

Yeah, and you get a picture of that. It's a picture of it, of Eden. Because when you go to Revelation 21, and he says that Christ is essentially the light, he is the temple, that the nations will be drawn to him. Revelation 22, which we made the chapters, the Bible didn't have the chapters, we made those, but the very next verse in 22 says, then the angel showed me the river of

of the water of life. Now you're talking about light. Now you're talking about water, bright as crystals flowing from the throne of God to

and of the lamb. So the river in the new city is going to be flowing out of the lamb. Well, what's that a picture of? That's a picture of Eden. Because in Genesis, the river flowed out of Eden and it watered the garden. And so now what was Eden? The temple. Now Christ is the temple. We just read that in Revelation 21. He'll be the new temple. The lamb will be the new temple. And out of him will

will flow the river, which, which, um, will give, um, all the fruit. And then listen to this, the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations, right?

Verse 1.

and they will reign forever and ever. So there's that dominion language. It's like the whole thing of Genesis 1 with creation where everything was perfect, and there was this river that was watering the garden, and fruit was being produced, and man had dominion and was actually reigning. You know what I mean? This is going to happen at the end of time. We're actually going to have this dominion again that we...

In our sin, we turned over our dominion and gave it to the idols to rule over us. Instead of exercising our God-given dominion, we actually gave it away. And so the picture at the end is going to be that God's going to rectify all this through Jesus. ♪

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And when he goes to the Father, he pours out the Spirit, which is poured into people, in people. So it's like Jesus on the earth and what he did, and then him leaving, actually allowed the Holy Spirit to be poured into people who, because they...

declared Jesus as Lord and surrendered to him have now become the new wineskins. And so he poured himself, not only did he pour himself out for people on the planet, but he poured himself into people who surrendered to him. And there's the, when he did it, you know, he did, he was here 2000 years ago, but what he's doing now is the new wine in the new wineskins. Cause you now house the,

as humans, the Holy Spirit of God. Well, think about this. If you put new wine in an old wineskin, the problem was that the wineskin was kind of crusty and stale. And so as the wine would expand, it just couldn't hold it. So you think, man, the problem is that it just doesn't expand, but it's actually deeper than that. Because if the new wine also can be seen as wine

the spring in you welling up to eternal life, which is a passage out of John 4, the woman at the well, then now we've got a bigger problem. Because not only is it the problem of the crusty wineskin, the problem is also that any wineskin that you would use...

If it has a boundary around it, eventually if it's a spring in there that's welling up to eternal life, it's not going to be able to contain that water, which is why the picture here is of the temple being in people is different. And here's why. Because the temple that Christ established, according to Paul, the Apostle Paul in Ephesians 2, it's a temple...

where Christ himself is the cornerstone in whom the whole structure being joined together, listen to this, grows.

So if your temple grows, then it can contain a spring that wells up to eternal life because it just keeps growing. And that's the nature of the kingdom. That's the nature of this new temple. It's not a static thing. It is actually a growing temple that will continue to grow. And let me just show you that to prove your point, because this idea about he talked about them dying in their sins, right?

And I found it interesting if you flip over three chapters ahead to John 11, listen to what the Pharisees said in relation to what you just said. They're trying to figure out what to do with Jesus. Now we're in John 11, a little after where we are in the text now. And here's what they said. If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him.

And then the Romans, listen to this, will come and take away both our temple and our nation.

So you see how they had no concept of looking at the quality of what Jesus was bringing, this idea of eternal life. They were totally stuck in the old wineskin and the old thinking. And they said, if we don't do something about him, the Romans are going to come and take away our temple and our nation. In other words... What's the irony is, is that they did come and take away their temple and their nation, but not because people believed in Jesus. Exactly.

What Jesus was actually doing was the fulfillment of the very thing that they were trying to conserve. And he's like, don't try to, you can't conserve this. This is, the kingdom is not about, you don't conserve the kingdom. The kingdom actually rolls through the gates of hell. This is not, we don't have a defensive posture here. This is not about conservation. This is about expansion and growing and taking over the entire world. And you think about the quality, the idea of understanding that when you think about eternal life, what Jace read in 1 Corinthians 4 is,

is the idea that we now understand this one foot in concept. It changes everything for us. If you're wondering about the practical ramifications of understanding this, it changes everything because you're not just saying, well, here I am just suffering in my little life here and I'm hoping I can get across the pale and have my mansion be on the hilltop. We now understand the quality of eternal life here.

way before we even cross over and are waiting the resurrection. That's the power of it. And it's interesting, Jace, that you did this with language.

And the idea of new, because the same thing when you get up, when we get over to John 21 and Jesus, you know, remember when he's reinstating Peter and he asked him three times if he loves him, he uses two different words for love there. He says, look, if you love me, if you philea, you love me as a brother, you have to love me as your Lord. You have to have an agape love for me. Same thing, a

Clear understanding of love, just like a clear understanding of life, helps you understand you can't do this without Jesus because that's the only way you get the Holy Spirit. But it changes everything. It changed everything for Peter, and it changes everything for us. So, Jace, you were saying, just to reiterate, you said the new piece of cloth was the quantity of,

And the new, yeah, age. Let me look it up. Let me look the word up. He meant like new as in age. But I'll tell you which because I looked it up earlier today, so I should have it at the ready here somewhere. What was that, Mark 2, 22? Mark 2, 21 and 22. Yeah. I'll tell you every time which word it is. So, and by the way, just for –

everyone listening. If you want to know what the words say, we've said this many times, but so I'm typing in Mark 22, 22 Greek lexicon and the, usually the top search is Bible hub.

And so when you click on that, Mark, it gives you kind of their—they'll pick a translation in English. They'll have the Greek word. They'll have the Strong's number, which is when you click on the number, it'll tell you where it's in the Bible. You can look in the other places that's in the Bible, right? So no one who puts new wine—so that's the Neo—

into old wineskins. So that first new was the Neo, as a time. You got it? Yeah. And then the next one is, this is Mark 2.22. So here's how it goes. In Mark 2.22, it says, and no one who pours new wine, which is the, what is that again?

Neo. Neo, yeah, which is the age. It just happened, which I think Jesus is here on the earth and what he's doing in time. You follow me? Mm-hmm. But it's translated in other passages as the young or...

Just arrived as far as time is concerned. And no one pours new wine, so there's the neo, as far as time, into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst, the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, he pours new wine, which is the time, into new, which is the quality wineskins.

But he uses the quality more in Revelation 21. It's everywhere there. I'll give you another one. It's 2 Corinthians 5. When he says, that's why I read that, 2 Corinthians 4, we're being renewed day by day. That's the quality. Because think about what that's saying. Every day you can be new in Christ. Every day.

You get to start over. That's why it's new. That's what I need to go tell Ben McDonald is I'm like, you know why you're having trouble with that? If you knew this concept of new creation in Christ, then the bridge, even though it's 50 years old, it's new. It's because it will always be a better quality than what was there.

You know, it's just that word new is not good enough for us in the English language. And it's sure not good enough to describe the life we have in Christ. Well, it's pretty amazing. I love it. We've got some more to unpack there, especially in how it relates back to John 8. So we'll get to that on the next Unashamed podcast. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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