Ep 1118 | Jase Gets Bumped on Live TV & Phil’s Unreleased Recording Brings the Family to Tears
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Welcome back to Unashamed. We're in our boxes, Zach. You're in North Carolina. I'm in Gulf Shore. Jason's in West Monroe. We have much of the country covered today. So what's been going on in your world in North Carolina? That's what I want to know. North Carolina is rolling. I did have a very interesting discovery. Jason, you got me thinking about it because you mentioned that you had discovered some notes somewhere.

that Phil had written. Well, yeah, a guy Phil brought to the Lord. And part of, you know, Phil was real big on, you know, once you're, this is not just about getting in. Yeah. This is,

You are now a member of the kingdom of God. Yeah. We are to image the glory of God, and we have the Holy Spirit in us. So he was all the time trying to disciple the young Christians. Well, this fellow, Bradley, his name lives in northeast Arkansas now. He was asking Phil for, you know, because, you know, my dad, he didn't.

like read commentaries and all that. So he was like, the guy wanted something. There's no internet. Yeah, he was like it. Well, he also had no computer to like keep notes. Like I've got detailed notes for 20 years, but dad, everything he did is on a yellow notepad. So he literally takes his lesson out that he had just given and it happened to be on the kingdom and gave it to him.

And so then he's sending me a picture wanting to get a handwriting expert to see if that was my dad's handwriting. But I knew it immediately. I said, oh, yeah, that's it. I've heard that sermon many times. Well, you got me like you got me thinking when you said that. It's so funny because like we talk about the kingdom a lot. And on some level, like I think we've like figured some stuff out and like you kind of pat yourself on the back and.

And particularly because at the end of Phil's life, I don't know if you guys remember, we had several conversations with Phil on the kingdom. He's like, yeah, you boys, y'all taking this to another level. Almost like he couldn't engage in the conversation anymore. Now we know why, because he had dementia. But I'm like, we've talked about this, but how much of this stuff do we actually get from sitting with Phil? Well,

I have all these recordings on my phone from years ago, just conversations that I recorded with Phil for book writing, all kind of stuff. And I'm just like, you know what? I forgot I had all of these recordings. I've never even listened to them. And they've never been heard from anybody. And so I said, I know I asked him one time to tell me

Your whole spill on the kingdom. I remember I asked him that. So I probably have, I got hundreds, maybe thousands of voice notes on my iPhone. And I started to scroll through to find it. And here's the irony of the whole thing. I scroll all the way to the very first voice note that I had on this particular phone, which is 2016. And it was titled Phil Kingdom.

And it's an hour and 34 minutes of Phil giving me

The whole like, and it is, and I listened to it. I listened to the whole thing. I was like, dang, this is exactly what we're talking about every single week. And it was so encouraging just to think about, you know, that he arrived at a lot of the same conclusions that a lot of people arrived at that we listen to now with no commentaries, no internet, just, I'm just reading the Bible. It is a, at some point I need to figure out a way to release that because it is such a

I mean, it's like, it's gold. I need to see awesome. Exactly. He did have the Holy Spirit of God, as do we. And so that's why, you know, the same one that wrote this Bible. So I think there's your connection. There's your time. Well, it's true. I made a point in the funeral saying that, you know, what I saw in my dad was, you know,

Him becoming like Jesus, you know, because Jesus had no formal training or, you know, anything like that. And then we, you know, I was, I read that first John four in the funeral about in this world, we are like him. And, uh, and Phil always was proud of the fact that he was a lot smarter than he looked.

And it was just from sheer Bible study. I mean, what do you do on a riverbank when you have no computer, no cell phone? He didn't really watch TV much, you know, until his later years. I mean, so it's like in between hunts or getting ready to hunt, he just sat there and studied his Bible. I mean, for years, didn't he? I mean, he went through Bibles like a lot of people do.

go through wardrobe, I guess, you know? Yeah. Because even though most of his wardrobe had holes and all that, it just became more cool, I guess, in his mind. Well, the recording is like, hey, Phil, give me your spill on the kingdom. And then he just opened up his Bible.

And, I mean, he just, I mean, at first he's like, he started in Genesis and then he went through and I was laughing because he got to Genesis 6 and he says, oh, hey, I mean, the world got wicked. I mean, hey, it was just a free-for-all. You say, was it a free-for-all? We had a good Phil moment. We were trying to, I had a story that happened that I'll share later.

Look, you want to know how the sausage is made and what they call the show business world? I'll tell you what happened. But then to break the tension and for all parties involved, we had a moment when we're like, what would Phil have said about this? Because what happened, so we're a couple, not quite a couple weeks removed from Father's Day.

But we have a new season of our show, Duck Family Treasure, coming out on Fox Nation. And so they dropped the first episode of the new season on Sunday, Father's Day. So look, they reached out to us and said, hey, how would y'all like to be on Fox and Friends? And we'll do a little tribute to your dad because it's Father's Day.

and y'all can talk about the new show. So what am I going to say? No, I thought, oh, that's great. Even though I don't have to do that, I thought, I love the show. I think it's a good show. And I thought, I think it's time. We're celebrating Phil, and I don't mind having a conversation. So me, Jep, and our wives, Missy and Jessica, all agree to do this.

And so they're sending a camera crew from New Orleans. But the spot was going to be at 6.50 a.m., which means that we basically have to get up at 5 because the camera crew is coming at 5. And a funny story on that, I set my alarm, but it didn't go off. And so at 5.15, I just awoke, and there's a camera crew there.

just like bumping into each other behind my house where, you know, I have a little pool in the pitch black dark. Because I looked out and saw their cars, and I'm like, where are they at? And so they had tried to call me, but, you know, I didn't have my ringer on. And so I opened the door and was like, hey. It was so funny there. I was like, I can't believe y'all didn't fall in the pool. But anyway, they come inside. They start getting ready.

You know, you think you got Missy and Jessica's, they're doing makeup, all that. It's early. It's a Sunday morning, Father's Day. Go through the whole thing. We sit down. We're in the four chairs to get the set right. We have the earpieces in. We're literally hearing the producer when they said two minutes till airtime.

My phone goes off because now I had put my ringer on and I thought, duh, I need to put my ringer off. What if that goes off while we're filming? And so when I reached down, well, somebody had sent me a text message. Of course, it never occurred to me who would be sending me a text message at 6.50 on Sunday morning. Well, it was the powers that be. They said, we're so sorry due to the war. We're going to cancel your bit.

And I was like, wait, what? I'm talking to a producer. So I was like, I got a message saying we're, I mean, just like two minutes before. And of course, Missy was like, this war has been going on for days, which it had. Yeah. A war started eight days ago or whatever. And so, you know, the part I was saying, because Missy was like,

I cannot believe it. Two minutes before, and I mean, it never happened. And then the next day...

They sent a text that said, how about next Sunday? And Missy's response was so funny. She was like, to them, she's like, let me sleep on that and get back to you. And by sleep on it, I mean sleep till 730 in the morning. She's still sleeping, Jay. She's still sleeping on that. Because think about it. You got bumped. You got bumped. This camera crew got up at midnight.

Drove from New Orleans, you know, and all this, and turned my house into a studio. I mean, it took them an hour just to deconstruct something that never happened. So who did you get bumped for? Who was the alternative? No, it was just the war, the ongoing Iran-Israel conflict. But Missy's point was...

This had been going on for three days. Well, my thing, look, we all do production. And by the way, Jase, this has happened to us before with Dad. We flew to New York.

And we're there waiting in a green room and all of a sudden they come out and say, sorry, guys. Oh, yeah, it's happened. Yeah, that's why. But here's my take. I mean, we're all in production. How hard would it have been for one of the hosts who's not covering whatever was breaking in the moment to go ahead and do the interview? And then you could stick it in whenever you wanted to.

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And the guy who was going to do the interview, which he probably never even knew what was going to happen. I mean, he was probably getting ready, and then they said, no, we cut that. It was Joey Jones. Yeah, I think it was Triple J, yeah. Yeah, and so anyway, it never happened. But the reason I said that about Phil is because I said, you know what he would have said if that happened? Because here's the thing. We're going to do a tribute for you, and we're going –

your new show, the new season. It's exciting. I could hear Phil saying, you know what he would have said? What would he have said? He would have said, that bunch. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, that's just pitiful. I mean, we got all ready to go here, this bunch, you know. So anyway, no hard feelings. It's part of what they call show business life. But I am proud of the show. And if you want to watch it, there's probably a couple new episodes out there. I'm seeing it all over my Instagram feed. So they're definitely marketing it.

Yeah. And I mean, it's just the nature of live TV. You know, things happen. And look, I'm not, I mean, I realize there's a war going on. So I was wondering why we were doing it in the first place, you know, even though I think it was like day three or four of it. But I mean, they were just, because we brought that up in the talks. I was like, well, are you sure this is the right thing to be, you know, doing while there's a war going on? But yeah.

So we were only upset that we got that far down the rabbit hole of a ruined Sunday and getting up early. So it happens. Well, they tried to contact me during that. I did a couple news hits during the storm that hit here. But then after they canceled the first one, then they tried to –

probably schedule six more with me. I'm like, I'm not getting up at 5 a.m. to do a news hit. Yeah, well, that was missing. Knowing that that's about a 20% chance that you're going to bump me for something else. If it's like mid-morning, I'm open. But that's a hard deal. Well, Jays is right. It's the sausage-making process. We used to...

say the worst ask in the world is to ask one of our friends to be an extra on the duck show because that meant all day filming for about two and a half seconds of you walking by in the background. Or you might not even make it. Exactly. I've told this story before. The former mayor of Monroe, we actually not just filmed a little clip.

Two whole scenes that he was involved in and was gracious with his time. And they were funny scenes. I mean, he went and shot Skeet with my niece, Sadie.

And then somewhere in the cutting room floor, those scenes never made it to the air. And I saw him one time at an event, and he was like, hey, whatever happened to me, duck man? I was like, what do you mean? What happened to you? I was thinking, because he was no longer the mayor, so I thought, I didn't have anything to do with that. I didn't know what he was talking about. I don't live in Mundra. He's like, no, those scenes I did, I watched them all.

I was never shown, and I was like, you weren't? I mean, I wasn't aware. And I said, hey, welcome to show business. For whatever reason, they just ran something else. I mean, I keep thinking, whatever happened to the footage? There's many missing scenes, including I know at least one entire episode that was never aired. Yeah.

And I'm like, is that going to be like when we're all dead and gone, somebody comes up and it's like the Lost Duck Dynasty episode. I think it's an interesting question. I've got a ton of footage, not Duck Dynasty, but I've got a ton of stuff. I mean, just like that stuff I found with Phil, I'm going through looking at all that thinking, my goodness, I have hours of content that's never been released. Well, we did about 15 or 20 podcasts.

Oh, yeah. With me, Dad, and Dan. Oh, I'm sure they'll surface somewhere. Dan the butler. I've got this. You're talking about lost episodes. Yeah. I forgot about it because at the beginning of the Unashamed podcast, Jason wasn't involved. Right. It was you filming. Well, that sounds like I chose not to. I didn't know you were doing it. No, no, no. We brought you in. No, actually, the first one, we just watched. And it was good, but it was like, this is going to get old quick. We need more interaction. Sorry.

So you're basically saying I'm a guest that never left. It's just kind of true. Well, I'm a host that never left because I was just a producer. I was just kind of helping out because I wasn't sure dad could do it. That's funny. Well, to tie up that story about the Lost Duck Dynasty episodes, what probably happened, this is just my theory, conspiracy theory.

is we had this problem when we were filming our duck movies for years that people still watch. I guess they still find VCR somewhere because I think they were VHS. But somehow they got on the internet, so I don't know. They somehow transitioned them digitally. They can do that, Jase. What I was going to say, some of the greatest scenes that ever happened when we were filming that, the cameraman had his camera on,

And then when the action started, he turned it off. In essence, not recording. And so when we get back to watch the footage, it was just a gray screen of nothing. So, I mean, that could even happen. You know, they might have had camera problems or who knows? You know, you don't know what you don't know. So there's probably a reason those episodes didn't. Because they were, you know.

I mean, I thought they were good episodes. It's a brutal process. One of my worst memories is the family reunion episode of Duck Dynasty where we all showed up at Kay and Phil's house for a family reunion and a wrestling match, and it was so cold. That was shown, yeah. They aired that. It was brutal. They aired it, but it was, to your point, if you come on the set...

But production is a hard thing. It's a brutal process. But we got a lot of good stuff out there. This is easy. What we do here is easy because we just get in here and talk about the Bible, which is what we do anyways. Well, it's easy for us. Matty might disagree, but it's true.

We'll leave that for another day. One quick thing before we get into the study, I do want to tell everybody again, remind y'all, you got a few more days. If you want to sign up at HeyJack.com, we're going to give away a $500 voucher for anyone that signs up for a free account. If you want to boat travel, there's tremendous savings. So go sign up today. It's free and enter to win the 500 bucks. So I want to get back to the discussion that we started and talking about the Son of Man.

which we got into a little bit deeper on the last podcast. We're still kind of fleshing this thought. It's so rich because to me, it's such a great time. And by the way, where we're headed in John 10 is then a whole new picture of

That's very Old Testament driven. So I think that's the reason John is working all this in to his narrative that Jesus says this, because he's going to go from son of man to shepherd in the next one. Jase, that's all over the Old Testament as well. Well, exactly. And I just wanted to interject that.

We did, John, a few years ago. I think it was the first book that we did. It was actually the first book we did on the Unashamed podcast. What's different is we're looking at it this time with more of that Old Testament history. So if you hadn't figured that out by now, that's what we're doing. Which really brings a lot of stuff to light. Because I'm pretty sure the first time through –

We just read the verse that, okay, do you believe in the Son of Man? And so what we tried to do on the last three rabbit holes is to really look into what that means. Because when you realize it, you come out of that rabbit hole ready to run through a wall for the Lord on this earth now. And I wanted to, before you give us just the practical applications, Al,

I had just yesterday a buddy of mine, Chad the nurse man. I think we've talked about him before. He had an interesting conversation with a fellow about Jesus, and he called me because we're setting up a Bible study. But the question he asked, because what happened was, here he is, a guy asking him a question about Jesus.

Well, he just wasn't, you know, you don't have that happen very often. And so then he kind of started looking back on what he said. So he called me and he's like, what should I have said? Or he was asking my opinion. Like when you have these conversations come up, but the guy asked this question, which I thought was really interesting. And I wrote it down so I'd get it right. He asked the question,

How do I know for sure who Jesus was historically? Which, you know, I told Chad, it's a compliment when you're living a life where someone that you don't know very well comes, reaches out to you and ask you this question. You know, that was the first thing I did. I was like, look, I no longer believe in accidental arrangements and encounters with people because I think that's what God uses us to do.

And so he said, I didn't really know where to go off the top of my head. And I thought what he did was fine. But when I heard that question to go in with our study, I said, I think if someone would have asked me that specific question, how do I know? Because he's asking about Jesus, who he was is historically accurate. I said, I would have had to bring up at some point

What about who Jesus is? Yeah. And, you know, we've been studying about I am. And I said, because those kind of questions come from God being a million miles away or he was here a long time ago. And presently, people tend to view, especially in America, that God's out there somewhere alive.

Yeah. And so I was just going to bring that to light, all this son of man and this kingdom stuff and Jesus at the right hand of God. I mean, he's ruling now and we have his spirit and therefore...

Since we have surrendered to the king, we are his ambassadors here on earth, which gets into that verse, you know, when Jesus prayed, I pray that your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. And I believe that's happening because we're following the king.

There's a lot of global conversation going on right now, a lot of things happening around the world. It's very important for us to always remember that our jobs is to spread Jesus around the world. That's going to make the biggest difference in one kingdom, which is the global ministry of our WFR church, which obviously is meaningful to Jace and to me and to Zach.

because we've been a part of One Kingdom for a very long time. Zach, when you guys had the big storm up there in Swannanoa and Black Mountain, One Kingdom was right there on the scene. That's right. They've been a tremendous help up here. We have an ongoing mission with them right now. And Jace, you and I have been a part of trips in the past. Yeah, that's right. I mean, we've been all over the world.

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100% of the donations go to actual work. It's not overhead. That's One Kingdom, O-N-E Kingdom.org. Check them out. And I love how you make those spiritual conversations that you can have wherever you run into people or you have those opportunities. I was wearing this shirt that I'm wearing today on the podcast, if you're watching.

On YouTube, it says Speak Jesus, which was a theme one year from our One Kingdom Sunday. And I was checking out in the line here at the local grocery store in Gulf Shores. And I said something about she's asked me where I'm from, which is typical because there's so many tourists down here. And I said, well, I'm from Louisiana. I said, but I have some property here and we live here, too.

And then she looked up at me and she said, are you one of those Duck Dynasty people? I pushed this away. She framed it. And I was like, yeah, I'm what's left of one of them. Yeah. And she said, I knew it. I recognize your voice. And I saw you had speak Jesus on your shirt. I knew you had to be one of those people. And I thought, man, what an ultimate compliment that you would be a Jesus person.

You know, just because of something you wear or something you want. And then we had a great conversation as we're checking out about that. The reach is broad. We had a lady come in from California, from L.A., and she said she found our podcast during COVID.

Her sister lives on a hippie commune here in Asheville. So she was in town visiting her sister. But she had, I mean, just totally turned her life into Jesus. I listen to y'all's podcast every single one. I started back in 2020. I've caught up. And she's in a great church there. And it was kind of encouraging just to hear, you know, the tentacles. She said, now there's not a lot of people like y'all in L.A. She did tell me that. I don't know if that's shocking to y'all or not, but.

But I think those I Speak Jesus people, they're all over the country. So it's kind of it's always fun. And it's fun to be able to find them. So let me let me kind of take what we've been talking about the last couple of podcasts, because we did quite the deep search on this idea of Son of Man. And but, Jase, at the very beginning of the discussion, you brought something very interesting that I didn't realize until you asked us earlier.

The two things that Jesus referred to himself, one was the Son of Man, which we just did a deep dive on. The other one was the I Am.

And I've always looked at it in a practical sense that it just boils down to Jesus being God. And that's what the I am part of that means is he is God. He and the father one, which comes up a lot of this text. And then he but he is he is us. He is also man and humanity. And so one of the texts that I didn't know if you were going to bring it up or not was Hebrews two.

Where the Hebrew writer who goes back and does so much of this Old Testament shadows and things and brings it forward, he directly addresses this idea about the son of man. And here's the way he put it in Hebrews 2 and verse 5.

It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come about which we are speaking. But there is a place where someone has testified. And then he's going to quote Psalm 8. And he says, same thing. What is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man?

that you care for him. So this is, again, a prophetic passage about this coming son of man. You made him a little lower than the angels. You crowned him with glory and honor and put everything under his feet. And then it goes on to describe the rest of that text with some other Old Testament references. And then, of course, the part at the end of that chapter, he says...

Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who owes the power over death. So in a very practical way, you understand that when he refers to himself as the son of man, he's saying, I came here to live and to be one of you.

and to give my life for you so that you may have eternal life. So it's just the super practical side of that's really what it meant all along. I think that's a great point. And I was going to make a point during the Son of Man rabbit hole that there's not a lot of references after the Gospels, but that is one of them. And when you read Psalm 110, I was going to bring up

you know, what, what he said in Hebrews two. And I just wanted to read a couple of verses in Psalm one 10, because I didn't realize how it kind of hyperlinked up until you read that. But just listen, I'll, I'll, I'll pick three verses out of Psalm one 10. The first verse says, the Lord says to my Lord, this is David saying, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet. Well, you just read that in Hebrews two. Hmm.

Well, you know what Psalm 110 and verse 4 says? The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind. You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek. Well, where's that at? That's in Hebrews 6 and 7, where it's impossible for God to lie. And the reason Jesus came to be priest is

And a representative, it was not based on a regulation. It's one of my favorite verses in the Bible. But it says it was based on the fact of having an indestructible life. And then in Psalm 110 and verse 5, it says, The Lord is at your right hand. He will crush kings on the day of his wrath. He will judge the nations forever.

And so, I mean, you see this judgment. You see this at the right hand of God. You see why he's our priest. You see why he became a human. And the only other verse I want to mention, and I think it's very powerful, is

after the gospels is you remember when Stephen was stoned after he kind of went through the whole idea of who Jesus is and that he didn't live in temples built by hands, you know, implying that he was the temple and he's like, y'all can't even keep the law. And so they stoned him. And I want to just read this. This is Acts 7 and verse 56.

And this is right, or I'll read 55. But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, which it all goes back to this Daniel 7 and the exalted.

In verse 56, look, he said, I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God, which is incredible because now this is post-death-bearing resurrection. This is post-Jesus referring to himself as the Son of Man 80 to 100 times, but

And Stephen, he's still making that connection. That's a good point. The Son of Man, and he wasn't just sitting, he was standing, which is the only time that's ever mentioned in the entire Bible. And you can make the practical applications of that, but I mean, you can't help but think when somebody is willing to give their life for Jesus,

it makes Jesus stand up and take notice. And I just think it's very powerful. And that's why we wanted to go down the rabbit hole, because you just realize how powerful this is right now, that you're surrendered to the King of Kings. This is, I have a mission to do. I have a job to do. I mean, let's go. Which I think that Acts 7 passage that Stephen says, I see...

the Son of Man standing at the right hand of the Father. I think that's what he's talking about in Mark 13, and they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. I think that's what he's talking about. Again, we want to associate everything with the end times when a lot of what's happening in the Gospels is a lot of it. Most of it is more about the kingdom that's coming right now.

now. The end times in the Old Testament, that's why I pointed that out in Daniel 2. That phrase was used as Jesus coming to earth and then what he was going to do. The Old Testament, when you go from Hebrew to Greek, it's like the same words, which is that eschatol, the end of times.

So that's why people get confused and go down into so many different kind of theologies and doctrines. Because just like when you said that, when you say end times, people immediately say, oh, well, that's the end of all times. But there's a lot of phrases in the Bible that use end times as when Jesus would come, that would be the end of those times. And you have the same thing.

same vein when he gives those predictions about the temple being destroyed in AD 70. And even the new heaven and new earth, there's many times that phrase is used, not speaking of the very end, but it would like be a new heaven and new earth, a new world for the Jewish community post Jesus' resurrection, right hand of God. ♪

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That's a great caveat. But you also said that if you hadn't caught on yet, the way we're going to the book of John this time is we're going back to the Old Testament references and hanging out in there. So that's why we honestly have stuck so long in John chapter 9, because that phrase, Son of Man...

I mean, I read over it for years and I just limited it to mean, well, there's the son of God is divineness. And then there's the son of man, which is his humanity. But I don't think I ever interpreted it

It's full context coming out of these prophets like Daniel and Ezekiel, but it really does change the way you're going to read the scripture. And so the more that you think about that question, do you believe in the Son of Man? Now, every time you see that word Son of Man in the Gospels, it's going to elicit, if you listen to the last four podcasts we've done, it's going to elicit in your mind, oh,

That's that Daniel 7 thing. That's what he's talking about. It's going to change the way you read it. It also helps you with the concept, and Jason, you and I have talked about this before, of the power of the ascension of Jesus. It's kind of one of those lost elements of his story a lot of times in people's minds because they think, well, he just left and we're just waiting around until hopefully he'll come back. Instead of saying, wait a minute, we now belong in the other realm because he brought that realm to us.

As the son of man, I mean, that really changes your whole perspective on living for the kingdom while you're here, which is part of that practicality that we just mentioned there. I mean, he was made like us in every way. And so when you see that moment in Acts 7,

You're seeing the moment of Stephen looking up and saying, we belong now because of the Son of Man, even at the point of death, because they were about to kill him, and he knew it. Well, right. And I wanted to say this. I've been wanting to say this for four podcasts. So if you haven't listened to the three before this, go back and listen to them and then fast forward to this point.

Because it's not going to do any good unless you've listened to the last three. You like how I'm doing this, Matty? I'm trying to create viewers for you. Because I want to make this segue, and Al, you tried to do it. Because we're going to go to John 10. And I just want to read something in John 10 that we're going to get to. So this is one of the I am statements. This is John 10, 11. Jesus says, I am the good shepherd.

And you're like, oh, yeah, well, isn't that, you know, the Lord is my shepherd. You immediately think Psalm 23. 23, yeah. But look, if you go back and realize the whole reason we're doing this Son of Man thing, when John the Baptist saw Jesus, you remember what he said in chapter 1? He said, look. The Lamb of God. Look, the Lamb of God.

Well, so some of you who may be new to this, well, you're like, well, which is it? Is he a lamb or is he a shepherd? And I think that's why he zeroed in on the son of man idea is because what you read in Hebrews 2, he became a human. So when you go to Hebrews 4, it's like we have a shepherd who,

A priest who's been tempted in every way just as we are, yet was without sin. So he's able to help those. What's crazy about this is God wanted you to see in Jesus that he became a man. My son became a human. And it's a fascinating thought. God became a human.

And why? Because he would, you know, it shows his humility. We went through those three things, those kind of three legs. He would suffer and die and give his life, you know, because he loves us. For God so loved the world that he sent his son. And he would turn out to be a lamb that was sacrificed. But it's like, well, he's a sheep. He became a sheep.

And you just go study the characteristics of being, you know, of what a sheep is. And it's quite revealing to see the comparison to the way humans are. But then he's the shepherd also exalted. So I just think it's, what would you call that? It's an illustration that he's using that has a lot of thought-provoking meaning

material for you, you know, to wrap your head around who God is. And remember, the context of what we're talking about here is people who should know better. We said this from Nicodemus in John 3, because now he's talking about spiritual blindness in our context. And he was like, you claim you can see, but you can't see. And then all this evidence is there. Another one that we didn't even get into, which we've talked about before, was

which I've always thought was really powerful, was the two different genealogies. You know, in Matthew 1, you see the one that goes from Abraham down to Joseph, kind of that royal lineage, you know, through the promise, which is kind of that I am promise. But then you get over in Luke 3 and you see the link to Adam, which I believe it goes back to Mary's line, which is physical line, because he didn't really have a father on earth.

And it goes all the way back to Adam. But it shows you that he's always been prepared, both as our king, but also as a man, to do what he did. And there's just there's so many pictures. It's hard to believe it was missed in the first century when it was missed. But that's the point of the end of John.

Well, right. And when you get into John 10, it really is a perfect kind of segue of the argument that Christ is making when he asked the question, do you believe in the Son of Man? Because the picture that he's painting there is a picture of sovereignty, power, which you say, well, is it just a submission to him? Is he just saying, do you believe that I'm in control? Bow down before me? Is it like that kind of like, like.

Is that the vibe he's going? I don't think it is, because if you read John 10, he's going to make the argument. He switches from son of man to shepherd. Actually, first he says, I'm the gate, which is kind of interesting. I'm the gate and I'm the shepherd and I'm the lamb. It's like all of it. He's like all pieces of it, right? But when he makes his argument in John 10, he's actually saying that

that you want the shepherd. You don't want just a hired hand. You need the guy in charge. You want the son of man because whoever's running the show, you want him to run the show because if he's running the show, that means he owns the sheep. And if he owns the sheep, that means he cares about it. He really cares and he's invested in the sheep. It's just like when I go to a restaurant here. Jill and I figured this out. If you go to a restaurant that is owner-operated,

And the owner is there the majority of the time that the restaurant is operating. The quality of food, the quality of service, the quality of the experience is going to be a thousand times better than if somebody just owns it, but they never show up and it's just ran by somebody else. It's just not the same. Anytime that the owner is present in the actual operation, everything's better because he's running.

Really, he or she, they're very invested in it. And I think that's the point he's going to be making in John 10, is that you need to be glad that Jesus is in charge. Because the one that's in charge, guess what? It's owner-operated. He's going to be involved. I mean, to make a stock market portfolio segue application, you're like, wait, what?

One of the prerequisites when you're choosing companies, because it's very hard to do, and everybody knows I do my own, but that when a company is founder-led, that is top 10. The qualities in my companies that I bought as far as the best companies are

A lot of them are founder-led because not only are they invested, then you look and they own tons of shares. And I'm like, this guy has got his hat turned around backwards here. It's not a business to him. He's like, I'm all in. Well, you know what?

I'm with you, buddy. You know, let's get on this. I'll buy a few shares and see where we go. Because I just know that, you know, he's not going to do anything that's going to jeopardize the quality of this company. He's giving it all he's got, you know. So there's your stock tip. ♪

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If you talk to super savvy investors, and this has been probably the number one piece of advice that I've gotten from super savvy investors who have done very well in their careers. And they all, every one of them that I've ever sat and asked, how do you choose what to invest in? They would say, if you come to me with a business plan, the first question I'm going to ask is, do you have skin in the game?

Like that's what they want to do. Does the guy running the company, whoever's going to run the operation does. And I love that. Does he have skin in the game? And with Jesus, I mean, you're going to see not only, I mean, he got, he got skin in the game. I mean, he, you know, what would you believe for the company? And they're like, well, that's, I'm going in with that guy. And I think there's a lot of comfort in that.

And what we're seeing in the Son of Man, in the incarnation of Christ, is literally he put on skin so that he would have skin in the game. He came in the flesh. He has flesh in the game. Well, it's like, you know, somebody's asked me, you know, what's the secret to being a great duck hunter? And I always go back to the ducks themselves. I'm like, when I teach somebody how to blow a duck call—

I'm like, the way to learn is not to watch a YouTube video and try to imitate somebody. You go find some ducks and you listen to them. And so when you think about what makes Jesus the great shepherd, well, he became one of the sheep, right?

And lived it. And so I'm like, give me a shepherd who used to be a sheep, which in our minds, well, that's not possible. But in the world of humanity, God made it possible. God became a human. I mean, so you don't think he knows what it is? That's why I looked, and I know we'll get into this in detail. When you look at sheep, they can almost see like a duck, which I found fascinating. Yeah.

360. But they're seeing so much. Guess what? They have a tendency to wonder and they don't have a sense of direction because they're driven by, you know, real nice patches of green grass, you know. And so you'll read articles where a thousand sheep, there was over a thousand sheep that fell off a cliff to their death because they were all following who, you know, the sheep that was leading them

took them to a cliff and they all just went off. You know, they don't, even though they could, they thought they could see because they can see incredibly well, but they tend to follow a leader and in temptations and things, you know, next thing you know, they're, they're falling off a cliff to their death, you know? So there's a lot in the Bible about sheep illustrations. Think Luke 15, verse,

And you get into these, at the end of it, you know, when he's talking about finding his lost sheep and carrying it, you know, you're like, well, why would he put it on his shoulders and carry it? Because they don't have a sense of direction. You know, you look up, they're headed back out. But at the end of that, the point I wanted to make when it got to the sons is,

He got down to the end and was like, we have to celebrate because he was lost. The son was lost, and he's found. He was dead, and he was alive. Well, that takes us back to John 9. You remember what his overwhelming argument for following Jesus and taking up for him was? He was like, I was blind, but now I can see. I mean, that was the big statement. Just when you think of all the transformational statements in the Bible,

And that's why we went down that rabbit hole because Jesus is the ultimate shepherd because he knows us better than anybody. And to transform us would take time.

Someone like him, God in human form saying, follow me and I'll lead you. That's also the conclusion of the argument that broke out in John 10 when they got to arguing. Again, they're saying Jesus is demon possessed. This guy, what's he talking about? Shepherd and gates. And he's possessed by a demon and a fierce argument broke out among the Jews. And a lot of them are like.

Demon can't make somebody unblind. They can't heal the blind. So that power of God displayed for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see, pun intended, they'll receive the power of God and they'll submit to that power.

because they'll see it as good. And here's what he said, Zach. He said, do you believe in the Son of Man? And ultimately, the man who now can see said, I believe. I mean, that's the answer we're looking for. Let me read the first 21 verses. I'm going to read the first half because we don't have much time left in this podcast. I'm just going to introduce it, and then we'll get into this on the next one because you can see the transition out of this idea of spiritual blindness. Jesus says in chapter 10, verse 1, I tell you the truth,

The man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and he leads them out.

When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them and his sheep following because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger. In fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice. So Jesus just goes right into a parable about sheep. And then John gives us this little thought in verse six.

Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them. So again, the parable has gotten past his audience. So Jesus says again,

I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I'm the gate. Whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come that they may have life and have it to the full. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the good shepherd.

for the sheep. The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. Zach, there's your analogy. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

And now he says again, I am the good shepherd. I know my sheep and my sheep know me. Just as the father knows me and I know the father and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. Oh, I wonder who that is. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

The reason my father loves me is that I lay down my life only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from the father. At these words, verse 19, the Jews were again divided. Many of them said he is demon possessed and raving mad. Well, I listened to him. But others said,

These are not the sayings of a man possessed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind? And then there'll be a whole second segment to this. But I thought at least in that first segment, you get the idea that you see the transition back to the previous discussion because they're still in that moment of like, who's blind, who can see, what's he talking about? And then he just goes right into this next analogy, which is fascinating. Yeah.

Well, it's a fascinating analogy because he's shepherd in the flock. And in their culture, everyone was real familiar with that. I mean, I think in the next podcast, we need to do a breakdown of sheep in general because it's fascinating. I've already looked at it. It's so fascinating. And you know why he picked sheep to have this analogy, just the odd facts about sheep.

Well, Jace, there's almost as much when I was kind of doing a deep dive on it. There's almost as much about the idea of shepherds and God using that reference to himself in the Old Testament. Yahweh being a shepherd, that it's that same kind of idea that you see from the Son of Man. It's no wonder that he shifted over to that because it's all over the Old Testament.

about Shepherds and Sheep. Yeah, and the one theme that you, just by reading that whole section, I mean, how many times did he say he lays down his life for the sheep over and over? And I love the fact that he says...

you know, kind of a, let me be clear. No one takes it from me, but I'm laying this down on my own accord and I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. And the father is the one that gave him that authority. No, that's good. And we, and we've described, this is a very hostile situation that's ongoing, but he's telling them clearly what's coming. So we'll, uh, we'll pick this up. Uh, a lot of great stuff to come.

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