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Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, the host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI.
In 2001, police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode before escaping into the wilderness. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me. I'm going down in the cave. As I track down clues. I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Hunting. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Robert Fisher. Do you recognize my voice? Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.
Hi, I'm Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, a new podcast from Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. I've spent almost a decade researching right-wing extremism, digging into the lives of people you wouldn't be wrong to call monsters. But if Scooby-Doo taught us one thing, it's that there's a guy under that monster mask. The monsters in our political closets aren't some unfathomable evil. They're just some weird guy. So join me every Thursday for a look under the mask at the weird little guys trying to destroy America.
Listen to Weird Little Guys on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, and welcome to Haunting, Purgatory's premiere podcast. I'm your host, Teresa. We'll be bringing you different ghost stories each week, straight from the person who experienced it firsthand. Some will be unsettling, some unnerving, some even downright terrifying. But all of them will be totally true.
Listen to Haunting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. After the massacre occurred, but before her arrest, mother Angela Wagner took to social media to speak out about the victims. Here's an excerpt from one of those posts. What has happened to us in the past few weeks has been devastating and it will follow us for the rest of our lives. Hannah was a daughter to me. I loved her dearly. Her loss still hurts to this day.
We want justice like everyone else. Let's try to find the real monsters who've done this. Turns out, she was the monster. This is The Piked Massacre, a production of KT Studios and iHeartRadio. Season 3, Episode 2, Monsters. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at KT Studios with Stephanie Leidecker and Jeff Shane.
In preparation for this season, we've been speaking to many sources in and around Pike County who would not go on the record before. Probably because they were scared, but now they are ready to talk. In some cases, they were fearing retribution, including those close to Angela. There are so many perspectives on mom Angela Wagner, and it begs the question, is it possible for a human being to be all things at once?
Throughout all of these conversations and interviews, we have learned a lot more about the victims, the Rodin family, and the alleged killers, the Wagners. This includes other theories and information that goes generations deep. And some of it has far-reaching and sometimes nefarious tentacles. ♪
Here's what we know about Angela Wagner. She had a mother named Rita Newcomb. I actually met her in person, was in her home just days after she was released. And she was married to a man named Pug Carter, Angela's father. They at some point divorced, Rita remarried, and had a second child 20 years younger, her half-brother, Chris Newcomb. Chris has agreed to speak with us for the podcast on the record for the very first time.
Is now a good time? Do you have a minute? Well, what would you want to know? You are Angela's half-brother. Explain that all to me, like how you're related and how much younger you are. Angela is my half-sister from my mom's first marriage. We've got the same mom. She is 20 years older than I am. Well, here's my backstory that I can give for your radio thing. I grew up with George and Jake like my brothers.
I was always closer to George than I was with Jake. George would do anything in the world for anybody. I'd have never in my life thought this out of him. Jake, on the other hand, I'd have never thought it out of him either, but he's always been a little odd. I mean, he just always has been. My sister, me and her never really got along that well. Jake ain't no better in my opinion. And I got nothing for him at all. Billy's Billy. He's always been Billy. I mean, everybody always tried saying he might've been the brains of the operation. That son of a bitch was a damn dummy. Couldn't hit the ground with his hat three tries.
So you didn't really grow up with her? I never grew up with her at all, hardly. I mean, I wasn't even a year old. I was like nine, ten months old. She got pregnant with George, her oldest boy, which would be my nephew. How often did you see any of them? George, Jake, Angela, or Billy? Back when I was a kid, L.A., I was always out to go over and spend the night for two, three weeks at a time. Oh, wow. L.A. spent several summers over there.
And when we got older and stuff like that, I'd see George whenever he swung by or he'd call and say, hey, we're going to go hunting or we're going to go fishing. So we'd all go out and do that. So you more grew up with Jake and George being your peers. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we grew up more like brothers than we did uncles and nephews. I mean, we was close as hell when we was kids. She'd treat me as one of the kids. But it just, I don't know, it seemed cold whenever she had to do something for me.
Was she like that with the boys too or just you? Why? Why do you think that is? Yeah.
No. Yes.
So when you were a kid and you would spend summers there, extended periods of time, Angela was your sister, but I imagine treated you like a mom. You know, she probably helped cook for you and treated you like one of the boys. Was she kind to you then or was she always judgy? Kind of a mixture of both. She was kind and judgy. Kind of fake. What do you mean by that? It just seemed like she would be nice, but it was all like an act because... She always told me, she said, I'll never amount to anything.
And she didn't tell just me that. She told other people that. She said that I'd never amount to nothing and I'd probably end up spending the rest of my life in jail. I almost want to answer a phone call from her just to laugh at her. Wow. You mentioned you and Angela were raised differently. How would you describe how you were raised and how would you say how she was raised? Well, I wasn't around whenever she was being raised, you know. I wasn't even a thought then. Mom was still married to her dad, Pug, or Eddie, Edward Carter. He was always a good old guy. I knew him real well. Do you like Pug?
Eddie Carter, better known as Pug, was Angela Wagner's father. We didn't know much about him or Angela's upbringing and how that might have shaped the person she is until now. Here's Jeff speaking to an anonymous friend of the Carter family who reached out to us.
Your message is really interesting to me. I would love to just kind of like hear all of it and how you found this information out and what your take on all of it is. I grew up in South Webster where the Wagners came back from Alaska, where they moved to. And the actual house that they lived in was the house of her dad. I knew him as Pug Carter.
He always wore this like metal brace and he walked with a limp. What I heard from my dad was that he would climb electric poles and steal copper or something off of the poles. And he got electrocuted and it affected his walking. When money would get tight, my dad would go like pawn things to him. He ran like a, I guess it would be an illegal pawn shop where people would go take like small tools, lawn equipment, you know, stuff like that.
Explain that to me. So I would take my car title and sell it to him.
There isn't a lot of information out there about Puck Carter.
but what we could find included a criminal record filled with arrests for assault receiving stolen property and drug possession from what i remember is that there was like an undercover scene where the police were going to his house and purchasing and selling drugs so actual drug busts is how he got caught but the reason michael moran came into it is michael moran he was like the cheaper lawyer so if you were kind of poor on like the lower income level he would
work out a deal where you didn't have to pay as much for a lawyer. Like he was who all the poor people went to. And I think that's really how he got to where he could target prostitutes and stuff is because they were of lower income and they could afford his services. It's not a surprise to me that her dad had him as a lawyer. It's important to note that the recollections that Michael Moran was Pug Carter's attorney is strictly the firsthand account of our anonymous source. Here's Stephanie and Jeff.
We talked about Michael Moran in season two. He's an attorney and a former city councilman in Portsmouth, which is about 25 miles south of Pike County. He had multiple allegations against him, including sex trafficking, the disappearance of several young women connected to him personally, and the possible murder of another.
At the age of 75, while out on bail and awaiting trial for promoting prostitution, compelling prostitution, human trafficking, and engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity, Michael Moran died in November of 2021.
There's a place called Big Bear Lake that has come up a lot over the years in our research. It's this spot not too far from Pike County that people go to on vacation, essentially. It's like a holiday location. We're going to discuss this further, but it's also been alleged that it's a spot where sex trafficking happens, drug trafficking happens, and potentially there's a connection between Michael Moran and the Wagner family.
I have to be really honest, my mouth dropped when we heard the connection between Pug Carter, Angela Wagner's father, and Michael Moran. It's full circle. It just further speaks to this idea that Pike County and the surrounding area is where people in power continue to stay in power by abusing other people. It also points to a larger plot here. Angie was always really close with her dad. Like, I remember her being at her dad's often. Like, she took care of her dad.
Did you have any interaction with them when they came back?
No, nobody really knew they were here until they were arrested. People would be like, "Oh, I think I saw Angela and Jake at Jackson Walmart," which is a completely different county. I think they were going there so they weren't noticed. And everybody's like, "No, there's no way." Then all of a sudden they were arrested and we're like, "Oh, well, maybe it was true. They were back in town."
But if you drive by Pug's house, like the Wagner's vehicles are still there. It's still as if it was the day they were arrested. Nothing has been messed with or moved. Somebody cuts the grass. But as far as like their stuff still being there, it is still there. Can you paint the picture for me? So like a brick ranch home with, you know, like a big gravel lot. And there's still kind of stuff out. It still kind of looks like it did when Pug owned it.
But there's like vehicles sitting outside. They have like this really big Dodge Ram diesel truck. When you have something like that around here, it means you have money. It's interesting that that stuff wasn't seized. Yeah. You kind of get like an eerie feeling when you drive by there too. It's like, oh, there's so much bad stuff that's happened in that one house. As far as like crime goes. Yeah, I mean, that's where they were hiding out and potentially they were there planning those murders too. We're going to take a break. We'll be back in a moment.
Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Stories about regaining a sense of safety, a handle on reality after your entire world is flipped upside down.
From unbelievable romantic betrayals... The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him. To betrayals in your own family... When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath. Financial betrayal...
This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars. And life or death deceptions. She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Walzak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Come on.
In 2001, police say I killed my family. First mom, then the kids. And rigged my house to explode. In a quiet suburb. This is the Beverly Hills of the Valley. Before escaping into the wilderness. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down. They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog flew. All I could think of is him and the sniper me out of some tree.
But not me. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years. They won't tell you anything. I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave. Tracking down clues. They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.
Do you recognize my voice? Join an exploding house, the hunt, family annihilation today and a disappearing act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your favorite shows. Hi, I'm Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, a new podcast from Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. I spent almost a decade researching right wing extremism, digging into the lives of people you wouldn't be wrong to call monsters.
But if Scooby-Doo taught us one thing, it's that there's a guy under that monster mask. I've collected the stories of hundreds of aspiring little Hitlers of the suburbs, from the Nazi cop who tried to join ISIS, to the National Guardsman plotting to assassinate the Supreme Court, to the Satanist soldier who tried to get his own unit blown up in Turkey. The monsters in our political closets aren't some unfathomable evil. They're just some weird guy. And you can laugh. Honestly, I think you have to.
Seeing these guys for what they are doesn't mean they're not a threat. It's a survival strategy. So join me every Thursday for a look under the mask at the weird little guys trying to destroy America. Listen to Weird Little Guys on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, I'm David Eagleman from the podcast Inner Cosmos, which recently hit the number one science podcast in America. I'm a neuroscientist at Stanford, and I've spent my career exploring the three-pound universe in our heads. We're looking at a whole new series of episodes this season to understand why and how our lives look the way they do. Why does your memory drift so much? Why is it so hard to keep a secret? When should you not trust your intuition?
Why do brains so easily fall for magic tricks? And why do they love conspiracy theories? I'm hitting these questions and hundreds more because the more we know about what's running under the hood, the better we can steer our lives. Join me weekly to explore the relationship between your brain and your life by digging into unexpected questions.
Listen to Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Sammy Jo grew up in the Pikedon area and was close with both the Wagner and the Roden families. Sammy spent a lot of time at the Wagner's home, where she found Angela to be not so much motherly as controlling. Here she is speaking with Stephanie. I grew up with the Wagners, and then I dated Frankie Roden.
Where were you when you heard all of the news about the murders? We all talk about Angela Wagner, the mom of killers, as being the mastermind.
If Angela said jump and you didn't say how high, Angela got mad. Especially with Jake. Jake was her baby. Like if Angela didn't like me, Jake wasn't allowed to like me that week.
What about Billy? Would you describe him? What was he like? And I remember writing Angela. I said, "Hey, this is Samantha, Brian Frederick's daughter. I need to get a hold of Billy." And Billy got a hold of me, and I told him, I was like, "Listen,
The house that we're living in, the floor is falling through. They will not let my dad come home unless I get the floor fixed. Billy showed up with plywood, feed for my animals. He had bought me cinnamon products, shampoo, conditioner. Like, he was there to help. Like, and his mom, I got a hold of Billy and I was like, "Listen, my mom's behind on the electric bill. We're in disconnect. They're literally shutting us off. We need a good amount of money."
And Federica got a hold of us, and she paid our electric bill. They wasn't bad people. I mean, they're bad people now, but I honestly, in my opinion, I don't think they were all involved. I think there was other people involved under Angela's demand. Right. Is it possible that they weren't even there and that maybe other people were there that night? In my opinion, yes. I think they know, but they won't speak about it.
I think the boys know what happened, and if they speak about it, they'll be dead. And that's my opinion. Jake and George was always homeschooled. Like, they were never in public school. The public system to Angela was not good enough for her boys. So her teaching her kids was better. I don't know how much better that was, but it was teaching them. Pretty much what Angela said goes. Like...
She puts off the vibe of like if she said you're going to rob a bank and you tell her no, like she gets scary. I love the boys to death. They're a little weird, but I love them to death. I remember decades ago, we all went to this bull riding thing. Billy and her got like a little argument. I've never seen a grown man in an argument shut up so fast in my life. Like the argument was over within seconds. It was controlling is what it was.
And have you been in the house when all of them were home at the same time? Yeah. The house was always quiet. Very quiet. Normally, it would be Billy sitting there,
in a chair grinding his teeth. Just sitting there watching TV. That would be like the living room area. Angela was normally in there cooking. And then off all that in the back was the boys' room. To the left was George's room. And to the right was Jake's room. Of course, typical boys, you're going to have deer heads and guns in there. And that's pretty much the house.
As a reminder, this is Sammy Jo's recollection of events.
There wasn't anybody home or in the houses when they burned down, correct? We've heard for several years about suspicious fires related to Angela and Billy Wagner, but have never been able to speak out about it.
However, now these allegations have been substantiated in court. On May 2nd, 2022, Special Prosecutor Angie Kanepa references arson in connection with the Wagner family multiple times. Some of these acts are alleged. Some of these we have, again, high levels of proof. Specifically, number one, multiple instances of arson of various properties.
for their own financial gain. Everybody in the conspiracy has their own role and they carry out that role. Ironically, oftentimes Angela absents herself from the crime itself. The men, Jake, George and Billy carry out the crime. And then they have a story, a cover-up story. If I had a chance to talk to George, I honestly would because I just want to know why. I actually went fishing with George shortly after.
As terrible as it is to say now, victim Frankie Roden and accused murderer George Wagner were known to be good friends. Sammy Jo recalls a time when Frankie Roden was standing up to Jake Wagner to defend his sister Hannah Mae.
Sorry to interrupt, but just for clarity, you're referring to victim Frankie Roden, Hannah Mae Roden's older brother, right? Yes.
But I don't know, I wasn't there. That's just what I was told. But George like shut me out. Like he goes, how could we do it? Because they were already being questioned who was going to be there with the kids. And I was like, well, I don't know. I was like, there's just something wrong.
Tell me about the Alaska piece. Why Alaska? Do you know if Angela and Hannah at any point had a positive relationship, even back in the early days?
Why?
Not only did Sammy Jo know the Wagner family, but she also knew the Rodents intimately when they were very much alive. She spent a lot of time at Mother Dana Rodent's house visiting her boyfriend Frankie.
How old were you when you dated Frankie Roden? I dated him from seventh grade to, like, ninth grade. He was fun. He's just like the rest of them. Like, he was so outgoing, gave the shirt off his back, caring, mouthy. When you were dating Frankie, did you spend any time at the Roden home? What were they like? What was their home like? It was fun. Like, it was alive. Like, that place was alive. ♪
And was Dana close with Frankie? Could you physically describe her? Like, what did she look like? Yeah.
Yeah, like, I never wanted to go home. Like, I actually felt like I was wanted. She would go out of your way. Like, my dream shoes was, I called them Abby shoes. Like, they were the very long shoes that zip up the back. I can't remember what they're called now. And her and Frankie bought me them. I had those shoes for years.
Did you know Hannah Gilley? Frankie loved her, you could tell. Sammy Jo shared a recollection she had about Hannah Mae Roden. Hannah, she would drive past my house just honking. And she drove by honking. I was on my porch. She goes, I'll see you later. I called her, see you later. And I didn't get to see her later because she was dead the next day. Let's stop here for another break.
After your entire world is flipped upside down,
From unbelievable romantic betrayals... The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him. To betrayals in your own family... When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath. Financial betrayal...
This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars. And life or death deceptions. She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Walzak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Come on, Paul.
In 2001, police say I killed my family. First mom, then the kids. And rigged my house to explode. In a quiet suburb. This is the Beverly Hills of the Valley. Before escaping into the wilderness. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down. They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog flew. All I could think of is him and the sniper me out of some tree.
But not me. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years. They won't tell you anything. I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave. Tracking down clues. They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.
Do you recognize my voice? Join an exploding house, the hunt, family annihilation today and a disappearing act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your favorite shows. Hi, I'm Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, a new podcast from Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. I spent almost a decade researching right wing extremism, digging into the lives of people you wouldn't be wrong to call monsters.
But if Scooby-Doo taught us one thing, it's that there's a guy under that monster mask. I've collected the stories of hundreds of aspiring little Hitlers of the suburbs, from the Nazi cop who tried to join ISIS, to the National Guardsman plotting to assassinate the Supreme Court, to the Satanist soldier who tried to get his own unit blown up in Turkey. The monsters in our political closets aren't some unfathomable evil. They're just some weird guy. And you can laugh. Honestly, I think you have to.
Seeing these guys for what they are doesn't mean they're not a threat. It's a survival strategy. So join me every Thursday for a look under the mask at the weird little guys trying to destroy America. Listen to Weird Little Guys on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, I'm David Eagleman from the podcast Inner Cosmos, which recently hit the number one science podcast in America. I'm a neuroscientist at Stanford, and I've spent my career exploring the three-pound universe in our heads. We're looking at a whole new series of episodes this season to understand why and how our lives look the way they do. Why does your memory drift so much? Why is it so hard to keep a secret? When should you not trust your intuition?
Why do brains so easily fall for magic tricks? And why do they love conspiracy theories? I'm hitting these questions and hundreds more because the more we know about what's running under the hood, the better we can steer our lives. Join me weekly to explore the relationship between your brain and your life by digging into unexpected questions.
Listen to Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. While Sammy Jo's relationship with Angela was similar to what we've heard from other people and in trials, that she was controlling and suspicious. Like all people, Angela is different things to different people. Here's Howie, a family friend who knew the Wagners, both in Ohio and Alaska. ♪
My understanding is that you had a very close relationship with the Wagner family. I grew up with them and went to church with them and things like that. Tell me about them. What were they like? I always thought they were great people. I've stayed at their house multiple times. Like I said, I've gone to church with them growing up. Kind of like a second family to me. I thought they were decent people. Did you remember anything about Angela Wagner? I just remember her being the typical mom. In a million years, I'd have never thought she could plot anything or do anything of this sort of caliber.
What about her specifically was typical in your opinion? You had mentioned Alaska. Did you live in Alaska or did you visit them while the Wagners were in Alaska?
I lived in Alaska and they came up and visited. Tell me, how old were you at that point? I was probably 13, 14, somewhere around there. Just, you know, a young teenager. They were a little older than I was, so we didn't really hang out a whole lot then. I went fishing with them once or twice in Alaska.
And when they came, that was before the massacre, correct? Yeah, this was before.
We've always been curious why they went to Alaska and moreover, why would they go back to Pike County? They came the first time to visit and then the whole Pike County massacre thing happened and then they came back to Alaska. But they had no contact with anybody. They didn't talk to any of us. Like we reached out, we're like, hey, what's up? How are you guys? We're sorry this happened.
and they never once talked to us. They moved to a different city. I believe they lived in Salatna or Kasilof or something like that. And they never had any sort of contact with me, my grandparents, my sisters, the pastor, nothing.
When they were, in fact, arrested for the murders, that must have been a huge shock.
As we continue speaking with more people, much more information is coming out, including other acts the Wagners have allegedly committed over the years. This is according to prosecutors.
The Wagner family tracked her. They threatened her. They threatened her family's lives. The family definitely on that side, they did stuff to make money other than legally. It begs the question of how wide their net is spread and what other people may be involved. For the first time on this podcast, we'll hear Jake Wagner's ex-wife, Elizabeth. I keep being asked, did you know Jake Wagner was a murderer before you married him?
What I'm getting at is they don't have nothing to do with the murders. This voice belongs to another person who has requested anonymity due to their proximity to the Wagner family. Is Angela the monster or did she marry into monsters? I feel like Billy's the type that would pay someone in prison to kill his own kids. More on that next time. For more information on Kay's photos, follow us on Instagram at kt underscore studios.
The Pikedon Massacre is produced by Stephanie Lidecker, Jeff Shane, Chris Graves, and me, Courtney Armstrong. Editing and sound design by Jeff Twa. Music by Jared Astin. Audio mixing by Ken Novak. The Pikedon Massacre is a production of KT Studios and iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, the host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI.
In 2001, police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode before escaping into the wilderness. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me. I'm going down in the cave. As I track down clues. I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Hunting. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Robert Fisher. Do you recognize my voice? Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.
Hi, I'm Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, a new podcast from Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. I've spent almost a decade researching right-wing extremism, digging into the lives of people you wouldn't be wrong to call monsters. But if Scooby-Doo taught us one thing, it's that there's a guy under that monster mask. The monsters in our political closets aren't some unfathomable evil. They're just some weird guy. So join me every Thursday for a look under the mask at the weird little guys trying to destroy America.
Listen to Weird Little Guys on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, and welcome to Haunting, Purgatory's premiere podcast. I'm your host, Teresa. We'll be bringing you different ghost stories each week, straight from the person who experienced it firsthand. Some will be unsettling, some unnerving, some even downright terrifying. But all of them will be totally true.
Listen to Haunting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.