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Matinee Monday: Supergirl (w/ Brie Larson)

2023/5/29
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Paul Scheer: 本片剧情混乱,难以解释,超女的能力和行为前后矛盾,缺乏紧迫感,角色动机不明确,反派角色设定很糟糕,结尾对超女的出现进行了掩盖。但演员阵容强大,表演精彩,弥补了剧情的不足。 Jason Mantzoukas: 他更喜欢《超女》而不是扎克·施耐德的《正义联盟》。电影中有很多荒谬的情节,但整体上还是很有趣的。 June Diane Raphael: 她喜欢电影中的演员阵容和表演,但对剧情的逻辑性表示怀疑。她认为超女棕色头发的造型让她看起来像个书呆子,超女在电影中展现出的能力前后矛盾,人物的相遇过于频繁和巧合,电影中人物的年龄设定不一致。 Brie Larson: 她之前没看过这部电影,感到很羞愧。她觉得《超女》不像一部超级英雄电影,超女在电影中很长时间才展现出她的英雄行为,电影中“内空间”的概念难以理解。 Paul Scheer: 电影中费伊·邓纳威的角色前后矛盾,园林设计师的工作内容不明确,超女到达地球后的行为缺乏紧迫感,超女没有必要使用秘密身份,超女作为琳达·李的身份设定存在问题,电影中人物的行为动机不明确,电影中有很多恶劣的角色,超女在地球上的第一次经历就遭遇了性骚扰,电影结尾对超女的出现进行了掩盖,电影缺乏必要的解释性说明,电影情节混乱,难以理解。但电影中演员的表演弥补了剧情的不足,存在《超女》的加长版。 Jason Mantzoukas: 电影制作者可能认为观众已经了解了超人起源故事,所以不需要为超女再重复一遍。电影中超女世界的设定很奇怪,情节发展很荒谬,人物的相遇过于频繁和巧合,吉米·奥尔森与高中生的恋情不合理,他认为第二个影子怪物是能量球的化身,电影预算充足,但第一个打斗场景却很糟糕。 June Diane Raphael: 她喜欢电影中的演员阵容和表演,但对剧情的逻辑性表示怀疑。她觉得超女棕色头发的造型让她看起来像个书呆子,超女在电影中展现出的能力前后矛盾,电影中人物的年龄设定不一致,她认为露西比超女更胜任超级英雄的角色,超女在Popeyes附近拯救世界的场景中造成的破坏过多,她喜欢这部电影的混乱和引人入胜之处。 Brie Larson: 她之前没看过这部电影,感到很羞愧。她觉得《超女》不像一部超级英雄电影,超女在电影中很长时间才展现出她的英雄行为,电影中“内空间”的概念难以理解。

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The episode discusses the connection between Supergirl and Superman, questioning how they are related and the logic behind Supergirl's arrival on Earth.

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Hello, people of Earth. I am Tall John Shear, a.k.a. Paul Shear, a.k.a. someone who is giving bad advice to Canadians about pool ownership in the many episodes. And welcome to How Did This Get Made? Hi.

How are you? And welcome to the podcast that tries to make sense of the movies that make no sense. And today, we have a movie that is kind of finishing up an unofficial Superman trilogy. We've talked about Superman III. We've talked about Superman IV. We've even gone into the Zack Snyder Justice League cut. And now we are going to the 1984...

film Supergirl and normally this is the part where I tell you like a little bit of the plot I like to unpack it a little bit if you haven't seen the movie but if I start to do that I'm gonna start pulling a thread here that this entire thing will fall apart I will be here for five hours I cannot explain the plot suffice to say Superman has a cousin and this cousin comes to earth and gets caught up in a love quadrangle with a witch and a landscaper and herself

And all of this because she accidentally lost an orb that powered her city that's not in space, but it's in inner space. Anyway, it's Supergirl, and we're going to get into it. I don't know if she lost it, Paul, but I'll wait for my proper introduction before I speak. Yeah, don't blame her. But also, I'll wait for my intro. And you also seem skeptical that she's his cousin. I mean, she is his cousin. Well...

Lick. Let's get into it. I'm not saying that she, I mean, cousin, yes, but I mean. Don't go on Quora to ask that question. You will not be happy with the answers. I have some, I have some things to break down. I need to do it all. And I'm going to do that by bringing in my two amazing co-hosts. Please welcome Mr. Jason Manzoukas. Jason, how are you? Power!

I'm thrilled to be here. Couldn't be more excited to talk about this movie. I want to come in hot. I have no idea what you're talking about, about Canadian pool stuff, but that really made me laugh. But I want to come out hard-

and heavy and say that we are doing this episode. It was mere two weeks ago that we did the Snyder Cut, which was universally our most loved episode, least controversial. People loved it, didn't have no problem with it. And I want to say right now, I loved this movie so much more than the Snyder Cut.

I would watch this movie again so that I would have watched four hours of Supergirl instead of the four hours of the Snyder Cut. Okay, first of all, let's just remind people who did not listen to that episode, we liked the Snyder Cut when we talked about it. We liked it fine. Fine. We...

I will agree with you. This is one of those rare, how did this get made movies, where everything is working on a level of insanity that I enjoyed every moment. I mean, let's not forget Peter O'Toole, Mia Farrow. Like, Peter Cook is in this movie. Oh, Peter Cook is amazing. This is like some next level stuff. Okay, let's get into it. Well, let's get into it. And let me introduce our other co-host, back from a two episode break,

Miss June Diane Raphael, how are you, June? I'm doing okay. How are you, Paul? I'm doing well. I miss you. I miss you, too. And I started off this episode with a bad attitude. Yeah. And I'm so excited about our special guest. I know you'll introduce her, but I just, I want everybody to know that I'm back on track. I'm happy. And I'm very happy to see everybody here. I love that you're apologizing for your pre-show. We didn't even know this going in. I know.

I'm just apologizing for like the banter. I just came in with a nasty attitude. Um, and I'm, I'm kind of like a nasty person these days. And so hopefully I can put that aside. Um,

I'm processing like a lot of anger about the pandemic and whatever. Perhaps this can be like a Janet Jackson nasty girl take on this movie. Okay, quick question, Paul. You said you were talking to Canadians about pool ownership as though there's another option with a pool, like leasing it or renting it for some period of time. Well, right. I guess I was saying like, well, we were talking about, do I want to own a pool? Yeah.

It wasn't like, do I want to own or lease a pool? It was like we were getting into it there. They were in. Well, I don't want to get into it. You can listen to the mini episode. A husband and wife. I won't. OK, of course not. A husband and wife called in an alternate weeks to argue whether or not they should get a pool. I took the side of of the wife in this relationship and it was much,

criticized by many people on the Discord. But I still stand by some of my thoughts. June, before we get into this movie and introduce our guest today, I just want to ask you a question for the record because many people really wanted to get your opinion on this. Would you ever

ever watch the Zack Snyder Justice League cut, a movie that comes in at four hours. Listen, I would I ever. You know, I have trouble with this stuff. It's not my, it is not part of my interests. I would, I guess, if

If I was being paid to, I'm sorry. I have to, I really do have to say that I have so many other things that I need to watch. What would that number be? I got to get at sister wives. I got to get at the housewives are in almost every major city now. Like I have only so many spare hours a day. And what would that number be? I would watch it for a thousand dollars. Oh, that's a pretty fair price. Yeah.

Oh, wow. I mean, like, this could be like a thing that we do. We can auction off for charity, pay June $1,000, and maybe watch it and live stream the watch. You don't even have to do an episode. We just have to watch you watch it. I bet you could actually raise quite a bit more money than $1,000 if you did a live stream of June just watching and commenting on the Snyder Cut. Yeah.

Yeah, I would do it. I would absolutely happily do it for charity or for myself. Okay, well, there it is. I would like to sit next to you and every 10 minutes hand you $10. Oh my God, that would be great because I do fall away and you're going to see I'm going to have some trouble spots on this movie too. I have a hard time if I'm not interested in paying attention. And so I think that's a great plan, Jason, because I do find myself just,

falling away and traveling with my mind. I can't just give you a grand at the end of it. I feel like I need to incentivize you to keep going. To keep going, absolutely. Well, all right, we'll get into all of that, but I needed to get it on the record. We have a special guest. We haven't really had a guest on the show in such a long time.

a long time, but we had a friend of the podcast who wanted to come on the show and we are excited to have her. You know her as an amazing actress. She won an Academy Award. She is a director. She is a writer. Please welcome Brie Larson. Welcome, Brie. Hello. I'm so grateful to be here. I'm so grateful. I am so happy to have you here. Don't ever be grateful to be here. I can't accept that. Take it back.

take it back. There's so much to be grateful for right now. Like we're alive. Like we've survived.

a horrible time. Be grateful for the vaccine. Yes, vaccines are growing. Listen, you can be grateful for lots of things. I guess that's true. We got to find the beauty in every day. In this movie, there's a lot of beauty in this. Let the gratitude be abound. And Brie, in this pandemic, you have also, you have a brand new podcast, Learning Lots, with Jesse Ennis. But you also have done a bunch of great YouTube stuff here. Like you've embraced the pandemic more

style like you are now you are now one of us you're in this kind of uh live stream podcast world yeah i'm in it and i love it yeah i love i don't want to be in this world stay in the world you're in please when it's safe i will please be at home do not sit your toe in here i'm trying to get out june is actively trying to discourage literally trying to get out

Brie, have you ever seen this movie? Is this something that, like, Supergirl, what's your connection to it at all? Like, are you, do you have any fondness to the old Christopher Reeve Supermans or anything like that? I feel so much shame that I hadn't seen this movie previously. I feel I haven't done my due diligence enough

in just filmic history. Yeah. History of female representation, superhero representation. I mean, shame on me. The first female leading superhero ever. No, that's not true. Is it not true? No, Sheena. Okay. The jungle queen. I go off of research that our good friend, Nate Kiley gives me, and I'm finding me,

many times again. You know what, Paul? Just stand in Brie Larson's feedback. Just stand in it and accept it. I loved witnessing that moment. It's interesting, but Sheena came out three months before, so we just got to give credit. Okay, I appreciate that. It was all 1984. It was really happening. Yeah. I had never actually heard of this movie. So you hadn't heard of the 1984 Supergirl? I had heard of the idea of a Supergirl, but I did not know there was a movie called Supergirl.

Okay. Yeah. Well, being that I am older than everybody here, I was acutely aware of this movie. I saw this movie. Um...

I was obsessed with, of course, all things superheroes. And even though Superman and the DC stuff wasn't my thing, I for sure saw this also because I also loved Helen Slater. I loved Helen Slater, who plays Supergirl. I especially loved her from a movie called The Legend of Billie Jean, which is her and Christian Slater and a bunch of toughs steal Christian Slater's scooter and...

Helen Slater, like a badass, goes after them and she keeps going, fair is fair. Give my brother back his bike. I was really hoping every...

Yeah, I don't know why. I don't know why. It was like a Vespa type scooter. It was like a scooter with a motor. It wasn't like a kick scooter. I remember the cover of the video box, and I always thought, oh, this is the story of the Michael Jackson song. Oh, wow. No, not at all. No, not at all. I remember it as being awesome. Yeah.

Like an awesome tale of kids getting revenge on bullies and nefarious ne'er-do-wells. Just to put this in a little bit of context, the Salkinds who did Superman 2, Superman 3, and Superman 4, they are just trying to get

a cash grab because Superman 1 and 2 are so successful and they're like, let's dump a lot of money into this and no one really comes with them into this Supergirl world. Like John Williams doesn't come with them. Their directors don't come with them. So they're kind of a little bit on an island, but they put a lot of money into this movie and

And one of the facts that blew my mind was the opening credit sequence cost a million dollars. And it was my first thing I wrote down. I was like, this is the craziest, most long, boring sequence I've ever seen. Me too. I fast forwarded. I felt like I went.

through every emotion with the credits. I was like, I've watched an entire movie. I've been through everything. And I didn't like it. Through this weird void of shiny letters. And it was almost like standing on the other end of a revolving door because everything is just coming and circling and going. You're like, okay, is something happening? We're not even going. We haven't seen anything. We're just seeing words and space.

And it's a million dollars, and the soundtrack is like, please, John Williams, don't sue us. But it sounds enough like Superman, but enough different that they're trying to get in there. And this movie, I think, has a pretty lackluster opening for a big, exciting superhero movie. It's like...

That opening kind of tires you out. Like you need a break. I think I did take a break after. Can I say something though? Yeah. This movie to me. And again, no, I didn't see the Zack Snyder cut. I'm not up on superheroes. It's not, it's, it's not my thing, but this didn't feel like a superhero movie. I never felt like, Oh, that feeling of like, they're coming to save the day. She's doing something that I can't,

believe she's doing. There was nothing to me that felt super about her. Well, she has powers. It's just unclear what... There's so much that's so flimsy. It's about as flimsy as that inner space world she lives in, which apparently if a dragonfly flies through it, it tears open and everyone could die. It is covered in saran wrap. The TP Crystal Mountain...

That I guess we're supposed to understand was underwater. I guess it was. There was nothing enjoyable to me about learning about her powers. Like there is nothing to me. That's always the fun and like realizing them, realizing what they can do. She takes it pretty quickly. She takes it so quickly. And then there's just no fun in it. I agree. I noted like it was not until like an hour into the movie that she has her first like proper heroic moment.

versus, you know, an enemy fight. And that fight takes place against a tractor, you know, like a tractor that has the, her, her 35 year old, her 35 year old love interest trapped in its, in its, in its jaws. Too old. He was too old. My conjecture. He was so old.

It was crazy how old. Why couldn't he be a student? By the way, I did do the math. They are seven years different. I have a lot of questions. I don't want to jump there just yet because I think I want to go back to what Bree was saying. I want to talk about the D.P. Mountain more. Yes, I want to talk about this world that we're introduced to in the beginning, which is so convolutedly explained by the amazing Peter O'Toole. What's that going to be, Zoltar? I think a tree. A tree. A tree.

What is a tree? A lovely thing which grows on Earth. Earth? You mean where my cousin went? And where, one day soon, perhaps I might venture as well. I don't believe you. How? In that. Through that. The binary chute. But you could never survive the pressure. It would destroy you. In that I can. Zip, zap, and I'm gone. But you'd never leave us, Zoltar. You'd never leave Argo City. Indeed I might, Kara. Too much of a good thing here.

Perhaps I'll try Saturn instead. Yes, I think I might. Saturn is...

Is that further away than Earth? Silly question. Did you not study six-dimensional geometry at school? Do they not teach you anything anymore? Saturn and Earth are in outer space, but we, we are in inner space. So, first of all, they're in something that's very hard to understand. It's, they're not in space, they're in inner space, yet they are survivors of Krypton, but we don't know that. That's why I said cousin, because, like, well, didn't everyone die on that planet? And then...

It's like, well, she knows that her cousin's on Earth, but how would she even know that? Because it was a big, it wasn't like Superman's been writing letters. You know what it is? This is my conjecture. Okay. I feel like, because everybody's kind of saying the same stuff in terms of we don't understand what her powers are. She doesn't demonstrate or really understand. We don't have the typical kind of, you know, um,

origin story of gaining new powers and understanding how they work. But I think that what they were doing the calculus on was thinking everybody has already seen that in Superman. We don't need to do it for Supergirl. We just need to say she's his cousin and

So when she gets here, she's Superman. She has his power set. So why? We don't even need to explain it because the audiences have just become obsessed with this character already. So to have an origin story would seem almost redundant. Kryptonian comes to Earth, yellow sun, gives superpowers, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So I think they were counting on that information already being known. But it's so crazy because like what you're saying, Brie, like we're...

they live in this weird, like, beehive tree. Bone world? Yeah. Some bone world that is, I guess, created by Peter O'Toole with his magical wand. Magical wand. And then their windows are made of plastic. She seemingly is the only one being sucked out. Everyone else seems to have no problem with gravity. Like, she's the only one. And I don't even understand, like, okay, so, hey, hold on.

So Peter O'Toole has taken the device that powers their entire world to play with. Like he's not evil. Because he wants to go to Earth. He wants to create a tree, I believe, and go to Earth. A bone tree. A bone tree.

It's true. By the way, if he's an artist. He's a very good person because don't forget the second he is found out for doing something wrong about 15 minutes into the movie, he's like, well, now I must put myself in the Phantom Realm. Yes. He decides to imprison himself. Punishes himself. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's incredible. Pretty harshly. It's incredible. Yeah. But why would he

I mean, there's so many things that are happenstance in this film. Like he has stolen this orb, the Decahedron or whatever it is. And, uh,

And when Mia Farrow, in her very quick scene, basically says, hey, did you steal that? And he's like, no. Then he drops it on the floor and just kind of kicks it away. And then that's how she finds... Like, everything in this movie is bonkers. Like, she's got this thing, and she's like, oh, well, I guess I can make my... I used my wand to make a dragonfly. Now it's going to come to life. There's so much that is just...

There's so much mythology, it seems like. They're building so much mythology. Who are these people? Where do they live? What level of magic do they have? They've got a wand. They've got a power source. Peter O'Toole has created a spaceship in order to travel to Earth or maybe Venus or maybe Mars. None of it matters.

Yeah, that's the thing. It's like they explain so much that then nothing makes any sense anymore. She gets in the pod and she gets out of there. And everything is like equal. Everything is equal. And like, I could never really track what the rules were. I mean, I watched this movie twice, by the way, because I was like, I got it. You did the Snyder Cut. I was scared. I was scared that you guys were going to be like, what? This made perfect sense. Of course there was. Three what? What?

We do movies that make no sense. I missed the establishing shot of Faye Dunaway's amusement park home. And so I was truly shaken when that woman comes in on the train buggy. And I was like, where are we? What is happening? I never knew the answer to that. So wait, why were they in an amusement park? I still don't know. That's unclear. I think it was only because it had to be a place where it didn't make sense for a man who owns a landscaping company to come by.

Okay, may I just say, though, that the shot of them... I'm sorry to start screaming, but the shot of them flying in that, like, football player bumper car, I was crying laughing. That is, to this day, it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen. And where the fuck did she take him? Because she flies so...

seemingly so far away. Like she brings him to a beach and the way that she flies back, it seems like she might've flown him to like the West coast. Like, like, like she's like brought him out to Oregon. There's also a really weird component to this movie, which is when she's flying super girl style through the city, it looks like a giant city.

It looks like skyscrapers and like metropolis or central city or any of the kind of DC cities. Right. But the all of the activity takes place in what appears to me to be like the equivalent of Smallville, like small town America, you know, like like, yeah, like a Mayberry type world in which.

Everybody knows each other. Because, like, the coincidental run-ins, like, not only is Faye Dunaway some sort of witch who lives in an abandoned amusement park with Joey Tribbiani's mom. That relationship, I could see an entire movie just on the two of them. Just the two of them.

aging and in this strange like family set up that felt honestly like pretty subversive in an exciting way. I was like, what are these two ladies up to? Right, but when you consider to get in or out of the house, they have to ride in amusement park like

I mean, that's like Silver Spoons, and I know I'm dating myself here. That's Silver Spoons level shit where a train is going through the house. Except that Silver Spoons, they put a train in an actual home. They live in a haunted house or a, they live inside a ride. And they do make a reference to like, oh, the rent is getting higher here. I was just about to say, I was just about to say, I can, could not.

handle them being like, how are we going to pay these bills? It was like, how about turn the amusement park on? Why are you in an amusement park? Right.

Right. Make it a commercial. You are in a commercially zoned building. You're living in a business. Think about it like this. Think about it like this. They're paying rent. So that means at some point they were looking for apartments and they looked at a bunch of places and the realtor was like, you know, I do have this one place. We should go look at it. Brought them to an abandoned

amusement park and they were like, we'll take it. So many questions like, are there showers? Probably not. Probably not. Why would there be? And also that they go through all the bills. They're like, oh, rent and electricity and the water and then they're like, but property tax?

And she's like, I've got it handled. I've got this glass gourd looking thing that's going to save all of our property tax issues. You would think they were like almost squatters or were like the villains who took over an abandoned place and are now using it for, that's like a real comics thing, but they pay rent and...

and have enormous house parties. Can I also just talk about, I just want to appreciate the open floor plan. They must have taken down a couple of walls in there because also it seems like Faye Dunaway, who, like I said, give me more of Faye Dunaway, give me more of Nigel. I want all of these characters. Her bedroom is in the main part of the house. Brenda Vaccaro's bed is nowhere to be seen. Like, I don't know, like, does she have a separate wing somewhere?

Because you only see one bed and the fridge is right next to the bed-ish. But then they have this party and I'm like, well, who are these people? Because the party is a wild assortment of like hipsters, older people. I can't make heads or tails of these people. Especially for the fact that they appear to live, again, in like a small Midwestern town.

Yeah. That's what it looks to me like they're trying to present. Like, wholesome, aw shucks, small Midwestern town. By the way, like, two women running their own amusement park...

and living there. Are they running it, June? Are they running it? No, I'm just pitching another movie, which is two women in their 50s heading into their 60s in the winter of their lives, like running an amusement park in a small town. Like, I am so interested. I'm very interested in that. That relationship was fascinating to me. And they're close.

It's called like Hot Flashes and Cold Icy. You know, it's about two perimenopausal women who are running an amusement park. I'm into this. I really am. And like they're...

I don't know. I loved, there were so many things that I loved about this movie. The main thing was their relationship and their clothes because they were like dressed up a lot. Always dressed up. Always. They were always dressed to the nines. Fashion is a big deal. Yeah. The fashion's great. So the fashion is great. I agree. And I liked that they were, and I think I'm right in saying this, although now I'm, I'm now, am I right? Yeah.

They were witches, right? That was their kind of like... Okay, so I don't know if they were both witches. Okay. Well, no, if they are... See, I was asking myself this question watching it the second time because I'm like, what makes a witch a witch? Because she basically just has access to a library of spell books. Right. So she actually doesn't know how to do anything except when she's reading word by word how to do the spells. Right.

Does that make you a witch or does that make you have a witch library? Well, because this is a good point, because Nigel seems to be the key to unlocking her witchiness, because there are points in the movie where they look in a mirror and you can see Supergirl. And then Brenda Vaccaro is like, how did you do that? And she's like, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like being a witch is like.

being a real estate agent in LA. Like it's available to all of us. You know what I mean? Like at any given point, we could announce that we're real estate agents and nobody's going to question it. You have to take a test, but I will say this. If that's the case, I would love to show you a beautiful two and a half bedroom in West Hollywood.

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There is a moment in the beginning, and Brie, you've seen it twice, so you can maybe help me with this, where they're sitting on a bearskin rug having a picnic. And this is... It's a tiger skin. Oh, sorry, sorry, tiger skin. Sorry, sorry, tiger skin, yes. Start off with that, it's a tiger. They're in, they're on a tiger skin rug having a casual lunch.

And he said, like, she goes, oh, I figured it out. The secret of controlling the world is being invisible. You'd almost know how to make me invisible. Oh, I do know. Take five black beans on the head of a dead man. Place one bean in his mouth, two beans in his eyes. Nigel, enough.

But it works. Then you can get anywhere. I can't breathe. What the fuck am I... What? I rewatched that like five times so I can tell you what happens, okay? Okay, please. So first of all, we establish that they're on a tiger rug outside on a picnic near a lake before we establish them. And then it pans up to Faye Dunaway getting champagne and she goes, Yes. It's such a beautiful world. I can't wait for it all to be mine. And then he says...

the only way to rule the world is to become invisible, which I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on a second. And I was like, well, they're going to explain this. No, they don't explain why you have to be invisible in this world to rule. My notes say, have the quotes and then after in capitals, it says, how?

And then after that, it says, now a black bean story? He immediately explains himself by going, well, you take five black beans, you put two in each eye and one in his mouth. Oh, you need a dead man's head too. A dead man's head and black beans, which makes you become invisible, which makes you able to rule the world. And that's how you understand the world that we're living in.

But that's not what happens, though. That's what I was going to say. What would be so interesting is if that becomes the spine of Faye Dunaway's plan. She gets the orb of power and she starts to get

The potential to become invisible, thus fulfilling the goal. I don't know what the goal was, though. Ruling the world. But she doesn't ever become invisible, does she? No. Then she goes, then she's like, well, you know what? Actually, the way to rule the world is to to make people fall in love with you. And then that becomes. And I do think that's true.

Well, there you go. And then the third part of the world, the third part of the plan was, fuck it, let's just erect a giant castle that doesn't look anything like the amusement park in the center of town. Like, I mean, we'll get into that. But this opening sequence, when that little orb falls into her cocktail glass. Yeah. Did you think it was her? Her bowl of nacho cheese? Yeah.

Yeah. Did you think it was Kara? Because I thought like, well, she was in an orb. I thought she was tiny. I thought inner space was a tiny world. That's what I thought too. Interesting. And I thought, oh, she's going to like release Kara. But no, she immediately knows that this orb from this other world is so powerful. And she immediately dumps Nigel.

And then Kara comes shooting out of the water. Okay, so that's what I wanted to know. What water was... Because that really confused me. What water was Kara in, A? And B, when she comes out of the water, she is already in full Supergirl costume. Yes.

It is fully, you know, like Superman's costume, I believe, canonically is made out of the blanket that he was wrapped in or something like that. And that's why it has the color, the choices of color. She just comes out somehow knowing how to dress as Supergirl. Although not knowing, it seems to have been made, the choice has been made for her? Well, she flies out of the water. There are some colorful sheets on that orb. I will say...

I mean, I don't want to break it down to a point where we can't recover from, but the orb goes out of a window on the left, and then she gets in an orb that goes out of a window on the right. So they both leave in separate directions, but yet they land. One comes out of the water, and then one comes out of the sky. I'm like, I don't even understand the geography of...

how they got there. And it seems like immediately, like, she's there to save her world because her home world is going to be destroyed without the orb, right? That's the power source. Yes, it's the power. Everything will fade and die without that orb. And her immediate instinct upon arrival...

Matriculate into high school. Right. Let me go into boarding school. I'm here to find the orb. Everybody's life is hanging in the balance. I need to join that high school. My reading of that was...

It looked to me like she was watching a softball game and saw. Is this right? Because it feels crazy and saw a softball. Yeah. And thought that looks like an orb. Oh, whoa. And so I'm going to go get I'm going to go with them because they've got orbs.

Oh, I just thought the chief was like, I love the game of softball. I've got distracted from my mission. I think I, it's sadly, I think it is. I think what it is, is because there's a closeup of that softball, Jason. And no, no, no. I totally know what you mean. And then there's like a closeup of the bag.

I totally agree. And I understand what you're saying. I think they were trying to have, though, the young soup because in the comics, Supergirl goes to school. Got it. And like part of it, the same way Peter Parker goes to school and young Superman, like when he's young, it's smallville. Like it's a lot of like high school stuff. Yeah.

So to me, I was like, they want to be having like that. They want to tell that story of like she's trying to be a normal girl by day, but she has to be a super girl at night. Let me throw one thing out at you all here.

Is there any reason for her at any point to have a secret identity? No. Yeah. No, sir. Well, I'm also amazed by... It's one of those things, too, where... I mean, this is such a trope in movies and one of my favorite tropes, which is the, like, oh, if she has brown hair, no one recognizes you thing. Like...

obsessed with that in movies and I was so grateful that that happened because that's an excellent choice. It's certainly better than just Clark Kent wears glasses and Superman doesn't. But I liked her so much better with blonde hair. I'm so sorry. I'm going to speak plainly right now. I felt like once I'm going to speak plainly and I'm going to speak my truth. Get ready. I felt like she, and she's obviously a beautiful woman, but

The brown hair was so jarring to me. And I just wanted to see Supergirl. Like, I love that about Clark Kent and Superman, that he is he does look the same and he looks great as both. Whereas for her, it felt like such a it felt like they made her such a nerd. You thought she was a nerd? What? Yeah.

Yeah, I did. Well, because she does answer that six dimension geometry question or whatever. I did. Her friend, Lois Lane's sister? Sister.

Which was also interesting. I love that actress. You just want to be on record as saying that Supergirl as a brunette is a fucking nerd and that you would you would you would put her in a locker if you were in that school with her. You know what? Here's the thing. And I wish I both thought she was too much of a nerd and actually not enough a nerd because interesting to me that that.

That's what's so fun about Superman and Clark Kent, that he's so awkward and uncomfortable and uncomfortable around girls. And there's so much fun in that. The issues in her being Linda Lee are... I could spend a long time talking about that. I mean, let's break it down. First of all, why pick Linda when Kara is not...

It's not like my name is Mr. Plick. Where did Linda come from? Why did she need help with a last name but not a first? I wanted her to say my name is Robert E. Lee. I was so excited for that. I was so excited for that. Or maybe Robin Lee. Or just go with Kent. Or Kent. Or Kent. Or Kent.

like, why did, like, I felt like they showed, like they showed her superpower. Like they showed Kaiser Soze and like, uh, and the usual suspects, like, he's like, what's her name? And she's like, huh? Name. Robert E. Lee. Linda.

Linda Lee. I was like, all right. Like, like, like, wasn't it? Like if she can't come up with a fake name, like that's not like, it didn't need that much like backing there. No, it was like a bad sketch where she's like, um, tacos. Lee. Uh, stapler desk is my name. Uh, and the, and the, and the, the, the, the administrator in that room is like,

Who are you? I've never seen you before in my life. He knows every student at the school. They're playing like a fish out of water story. Like she doesn't understand local customs. She doesn't understand things. But then she also does understand quite a bit of things. She understands the general structure of going to school and classes. She knows to sign in and sign out. She knows to sign in. She knew how to make a transcript for

To type a letter of recommendation and how to put it in the filing cabinet. And I like those little problem-solving superpower things. I enjoy that. Those are fun, especially when it's for, like, teenage superheroes, for it to be, like, the stakes are small, but to them it's big, you know? But why, like, I mean, again, it seems time...

time is of the essence. Her home world is going to implode without this orb. There's no urgency. There's no clock. There's no clock. There's no like you only have one week before your parents and everybody else die in the...

And when you were even saying, Gene, that she thought that the baseball was the orb, she has no problem destroying an orb in that lacrosse match when she turns her back on it and it explodes on her back. Oh, field hockey. Oh, field hockey, yeah. And by the way, why are those kids trying to kill her? Those girls are on the same team.

I know. The girls who are attacking Lois Lane's cousin, sister rather. What's Lois Lane's sister's first name? Lucy Lane. Lucy. Lucy Lane. Lucy, yeah. The bullies who are attacking Lucy Lane, they're playing a field hockey game and her own teammates are trying to, she goes, one girl goes, to hit it so hard it takes her out. They are trying to kill Lucy.

I know that side story that there's just two girls that are trying to hurt the other girls at the school for no reason. No good reason. Nobody has any reason to do anything and everyone acts like an idiot. Like when they are in that basement, like they're like, we will burn the flesh off of these people. Not like they're going to turn the cold water on. It was like everything they do is so malicious and there's no end game for them except for that they might have gotten burnt by water. Like that, like,

Like, I guess that's it. I mean, we don't see them again. That problem goes away. I don't want to even go back. I mean, there's a lot of bad people in this movie, especially the dual truck drivers. Including Matt Frewer from Lawnmower Man 2. That's such an amazing choice, by the way. I was screaming when, like, her first interaction on Earth is with two guys that are trying to, like, be gross and, like, lift up her skirt. Yes, absolutely.

It was very interesting. It was like, oh, your first experience with humans is that they're trying to rape you. And when she asks, this actually broke my heart and took my breath away. When she asks, why are you doing this? Oh, I know. They say, I wrote it down. It's just the way we are. Yeah.

Yeah. That was an indictment. An indictment of humanity. Yes. Really? That was an indictment of humanity for real. And that is like, and the fact that like she's dressed like super, she has Superman's kind of iconic look, color, all of it. Superman in this world has to be, they assume, I guess they say one line like, what's up with the Halloween costume? But this is a world in which Superman does exist. So you might be like, huh.

Oh, yeah. And the minute she throws Matt Frewer through a wall, the other guy is like, oh, you want to play rough or something like that? And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, guy, do you not understand? This is another super person. She did it with her breath. If you ever saw a human being with their breath throw someone through a wall.

offense with such force. You'd be like, all right. You know, it wasn't out of here. Yeah. It wasn't like, he was like, oh, I got this. And he takes out a knife like, and then that scene is dark. This is a very dark, dark scene. These two truck drivers, first of all, I don't understand why you have two truck drivers. It like just like dark,

bopping around together. It seems like that's a lone job. I agree. Truck drivers shouldn't... They're not usually bound together. No, they swap seats so they can keep going. The tag team? Yeah. But yeah, this is... I mean, they meet awful, awful people. I mean, and I would also say that like...

I mean, there's so many. I also want to talk about how mean Fane Dunaway was to that woman who was flirting with Nigel where she puts a scorpion in her mouth. Oh my God. I just want to tack on because we just immediately dove into this movie, which I'm so glad that we have. I loved every actor in this movie, including her. Like, I just want to be clear. Absolutely. Every actor is doing a fantastic job. And my issue is that the movie makes no sense. But other than that,

It is so good. Every actor's doing the best, the best, the best. And they're all weirdly like tonally in sync. It's very strange. Like there are traces being made that are insane, but that work because everybody's insane. It is a joy to watch. Yeah. A hundred percent. I love this movie. I mean, Helen Slater, obviously, and the younger actors are great.

But I want to say all of these adult actors, they cast like legends. Legends. Faye Dunaway. She looks amazing. Peter Cook is a legend. Faye Dunaway, legend. These are these are Titanic performers who are delivering lines that are absolute gobbledygook and are making them work well.

so effectively. Through acting, they are helping you understand as best you can what's happening in the movie because the plot is doing you no favor. I kind of feel like this is a movie where on some level you have to go like, this is insane and

And they all just, like, they made a pact. Like, we're just going to, like... Let's go for it. They're going to go for it. And there was something, I think that that's, like, sometimes it is like a slog to go through films like this. And this was like, give me more of any one of these characters. Because they all could hold a film by themselves. And, I mean, again, I just want to keep on shouting out Nigel. Because Nigel really...

is doing a lot, like he has a lot of different levels, a lot of different levels there as a performer. And there's a scene where- It's also really funny to me that we're introduced to him in the picnic scene with Faye Dunaway and they're talking about, you know, it's a villain introduction scene. They're talking about, you know, taking over the world. He says it's an invisibility. It's a ba-ba-ba. You know, she finally gets the orb of power. She kind of banishes him in a way from her kind of

She decides she's going to go it alone. And then the next time we pick him up is when he's a math teacher at the high school that Supergirl has inexplicably decided she needs to attend. So I was like, wait a minute. One of the most evil villainous kind of characters is also just a high school math teacher. He's like, he has access to the most evil magic wand in existence, which

which we find out later. He knows all about dark magic. He also teaches high school math. Yeah, the magic seemed for him to just be like an extracurricular activity. A pastime. Yeah, he seems like he knew it and he seemed like he really was in love. And that's what I really like. He felt like he really loved magic.

Okay, let's talk about that. So did Faye Dunaway, did she? I know. Yeah. You okay, babe? It's okay. I just feel like you don't get to see real. Listen, neither Paul or I have like experienced human touch in about like four months. So it's hard. Believe me, I get it. Sorry, Jason, you know, you know. But so did Faye Dunaway really have feelings for the landscaper?

Well, Brenda Vaccaro is the one who sees him first, right? She's driving. By the way, Brenda Vaccaro is Joey Tribbiani's mom. She's driving the car. She's incredible. She's incredible. An incredible character actor who's been in literally everything for the last 40 years. And is so good. Just dropping one-liners, dropping one-liners every day. She's driving. She's the chauffeur. Faye Dunaway's in the back.

I have a feeling a lot of the times from what I read was that Faye Dunaway showed up late a lot. So you can tell there are certain scenes where she's not there and they're just like cutting off a shot and being like, this is it. A very Vin Diesel rock Fast and Furious shooting where it's just like, not here. But they...

they, they, like she looks at this landscaper and she's like, Ooh, la la. I like, she's like, I got his number off the landscaping truck. And then that's the moment where Faye Dunaway is like, you know what? I'm done with the invisibility thing. Now I'm into the love thing. And that's when she cocks her, like concocts her next plan to be like,

now it's all about getting a landscaper to fall in love with me. Now I'm going to make a love spell. But she didn't even need the core, the glass gourd for that. She's like, I'm saving that for later. So she just veers off for a second with a spider and a walnut. But I would argue, though, that she's such a beautiful kind of kinetic woman that she could have just tried to introduce herself. Wow. I mean, she's not like this creature of the night. Like, she's a gorgeous woman. She's beautiful.

It's a very good point. But look, she does live, and I don't want to judge anybody, she does live in an abandoned theme park. She does live specifically in the haunted part of the amusement park too, which is interesting. And when he shows up, he's creeped out by her. She's like, would you like to wet your whistle? Yeah, but still agreeing to a

coverage. I was like, I don't know if I would. Yeah, not at that house, no. Here's what I want to know. So when they're in the car and they see the hunk, you know, doing landscaping. Who, by the way, you know who that is. That's Ellis from Die Hard. Yes, exactly. Yeah. I just want to take a quick break from you saying landscaping just to point out what landscaping means in this, because it took me the second time to understand what he was doing, which is

First, you cut to him and he's sawing a really large branch on a tree, like an entire trunk. Okay. He's sawing it. And then they cut back and she's like, that's my prince. I get it. And then we cut back to him and he's painting the tree. I was looking at that too. And I was like, is that some sort of a sap thing? So is he gluing it? Is he painting it? I don't know enough about landscaping to say, but I've never seen that done before. I was wondering if he was putting sap on the root or something like that. From a paint camp?

That is tricky. Yeah, I, I, I, I'm agreeing with you. I noticed that as well. And I was like, no, what is he exactly? What is the job he's exactly executing right now? Unclear. But Faye Dunaway and Brenda Vecura are watching it, lusting after him. And when we later cut into the high school girls shower scene,

The girls are also talking about the hunky landscape guy who was cutting the tree. So once again, in a weird bit of coincidence, all the main characters have just been within 500 feet of each other, which happens constantly. I think that's why her bracelet keeps on going off and that's what's confusing to Kara. She's like,

why is it going like her bracelet is somehow connected to the orb. I think the bracelet's connected to the orb. I think the bracelet's like a proximity alert for the orb. Yes. And so she's always kind of like trying to figure out where the orb is. But then they really all fall in. And I will say this movie does do a weird things with ages because they are in high school, right? They're not college. That's this is high school. I don't know, because then they were referring to it as a dorm.

When we saw the posters, Dorm G against Selena. Yeah. It seemed like a boarding school to me with like crests on the blazers and so forth. It felt like Chilton to me from Gilmore Girls. No, you bring up a good point, Paul, because he's too old for them. They're probably all underage. Right. And...

I couldn't quite tell. Like, is this his landscaping business or is he like a worker? He does show up. He does show up. It says Ethan's landscaping on the truck. Well, Ethan, he's a one man. He's a one man operation. He's not very successful because all he does is cut live limbs off trees and then paint the stump. And then he comes and then he comes like when he, when she's like, are you single? He's like,

I'm in a part of my life where like we get like a little insight on like Ethan too. Like Ethan got out of a bad breakup and he's just kind of now he doesn't want to be tied down. Here's the thing. Ethan and Faye Dunaway or Ethan and Brenda Vaccaro 100% work as a couple. Right. They seem to be age appropriately in the same realm. Okay. And,

Ethan and a boarding school girl is way wrong. It's like definitively this is not a... This is a bizarre pairing. What about Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane's sister? I thought Jimmy Olsen was a student. Is he the guy that had the camera? Yes. The guy that's like...

He's probably got drugs or a gun. Let's go eat. Yes, exactly. So that's Jimmy Olsen. He is the photographer for the Daily Planet. He's the only character that has recurred through all the Superman movies because Christopher Reeve at the last second decided not to do a cameo in this film. And so they were like, we need to bring in someone from the other movies to create our universe. And they bring in Jimmy Olsen.

who is an adult. I mean, he's the youngest kid on... He's always supposed to be a kid. They call him like a kid. But he's like on staff. Like he's a working photographer at a national or at the biggest city paper. Like he's not going to school. He's not Peter Parker like handing in photos and going to high school. Like he is the photographer for the Daily Bugle. And he is dating a high school student.

Or kissing. I think he's at least kissing. A lot of kissing in this movie. By the way, the kissing in this movie, when she kisses herself in the mirror and then Ethan touches her lip, like, can I ask that question? Like, is that...

What do we feel about that? I don't... Ask what you want to ask, Paul. What are you trying to say? To whom were you asking that? Okay, I will ask it to... And tell who you're looking at. All right, so I will ask it to... I feel like I should turn off my screen and breathe. Maybe you should as well. All right, so my question is... We might all get kissed by Paul right now. I'll just go in like the way that she goes. Yeah, if we all turn off our screens, Paul, you can do it to yourself and we'll be able to see what's happening. Thank you. No, I just...

I felt like it was a little... I felt like their kissing was nice, but then I feel like their goodbye kiss was just him putting his finger in her mouth and kind of like... It's kind of like blopping down her bottom lip. It didn't seem to me to hold...

And I just felt like, is that fulfilling? Is it fulfilling? I don't know. I don't know. I think you're right. I actually noticed the kiss between Ethan and Faye Dunaway. And I was like, ooh, that I want to watch. That's kissing. Yeah. Yes. But you have to remember that Supergirl is a child. And has never been. When Ethan first kisses her, her face is recognizing what is happening. Right. Yes. Yes.

So when she starts making out with herself in the mirror, that's her trying to figure out what this kissing business is all about, I guess. I thought that was really endearing and so sweet. But it sounds like, Paul, you wanted more passion from her? No, I just... More tonguing? More tonguing of the mirror, Paul? I just felt like...

No, I don't want anything out of the mirror. I just was saying that I wanted, like, I felt like it was an anticlimactic, like, like it felt like, first of all, this movie ends in an insane way where basically they go, hey, we'll never say that we saw you. Wait, why? Like, I don't understand why that was a thing. Yeah. Why are we all disavowing any knowledge of this superhero that was prominently in the town? And what about the castle that appeared on the mountaintop? Like, does everyone forget that's going to be there? Yeah.

The only part to forget is her. There's a journalist on site. Jimmy Olsen's there for the whole thing, taking pictures of everything. Are we saying, like, he's not going to publish? No way. That's what he says. He's like, I won't talk about this. Everyone is on the same page immediately. It's a goddamn cover-up. It's a cover-up. But what does it matter, you know? I mean, she still gets to go on and save her planet. Like...

This is why I love this movie so much. I'm serious. Like, this is why I watch movies like this is for the conversation. Because I think for those of us that like we watch a lot of movies or you read scripts, it's like things become so you can see what's happening a mile away. Whereas with this, like, I could do if you turn your eyes away for a second, you're like, wait, wait, what just happened?

I rewound it three times. And it's so engaging in that way because you just can't. Like, you really won't make any sense. You actually cannot believe what's happening. It's amazing. Yes.

One of the most engaging movies I've ever seen, period. That's my hot take. You have a character who so often seems like they are understanding the world they're in and are executing on an incredibly high level, right? She's Supergirl. She has a mission. She's going to school. She's doing this. And you're like, okay, she's kind of got it locked in. And then you've got, like, well...

More than halfway through the movie, you've got a scene in which she tries a bra on on the outside of her blazer. And I was like, what's happening? Why? Why does she now not know what and how a bra works? Well, because she's not getting dressed. She's just visualizing those clothes on her body.

Oh, yes. I assume so. So, I mean, that's the only way I can kind of. But it is it is odd because at one point they're like, you can wear any of my clothes, but she just wears the uniform. Let's talk about that piece of dialogue, because Lucy says you can wear anything from my closet. Just dig in and help yourself. I don't think I want that now. Yeah.

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Let's just dig into this main sequence of the movie, which is an hour into the film where Lois Lane's sister's like, hey, we're going to go to Popeye's. And in my mind, I'm thinking, oh, cool. Like Popeye's is a cool bar in town. No, no. They're going to the fast food restaurant Popeye's. They go to town. And this is where Faye Dunaway is trying to capture her love because he's escaped her.

her spell and he's wandering around in a stupor and she gets a mind control over a, like a backhoe and then is chasing him with a sentient backhoe and to try to scoop him up. And the backhoe is going crazy over town. And it like, like, this is a giant, this is the biggest action sequence really in the film. I think is, is,

This sequence where it's about a truck that's slowly moving down like a block. Slowly moving down the block and a truck that like Supergirl at any moment. It takes her so long to get involved. I know, I'm like Lucy is a better Supergirl to be honest. Like she jumps right into the fray and recognizes like we've got a dangerous situation on our hands.

Lucy jumps on that truck, does her own stunts, and immediately is knocked out. But at any point, Supergirl, who is so powerful, you would think, would just stand in front of the truck and...

Stop her, go grab it, pick it up, and fly it someplace else. But she disconnects the front of it and lets the truck continue to run. While the truck has already destroyed a gas station that's sure to explode, a number of small businesses in this town... A wedding is happening. A truck full of hay. Oh, yeah, the wedding. And a new...

And a New York City taxi. The hay truck. The hay truck is one of my favorites. The hay truck's so unnecessary and so important. There are like so many civilian deaths that could have been prevented, like just from the car accidents and all the rest that happened from the slow moving tractor thing. By the way, that sequence of

22 days to shoot. Oh my God. 22 days. That's amazing. And that's clearly like on a locked, that's a back lot. That's a built street. I do have some problems with Kara's superheroing in that moment because there's a tire fire. By the way, Paul, I love that you continue to call her by her like name

By her Christian name. Kryptonian name. Yeah. I put respect on it. She didn't call herself Supergirl. Somebody at the end, like Faye Dunaway, angrily at the end goes, you, you, Supergirl. And she delivers that line. She does. She delivers that line. These actors are so good. I mean, when Faye Dunaway has to describe what kind of witch she is, here's a clip. I am Selina.

Diurnus of Catania, priestess of Sekhnet, I am the ultimate siren of Endor. And you, little lady, are trespassing on private property. She means him. I am Kara of Argo City, daughter of Allura and Zor-El.

And I don't scare easily. Flawless. Flawless performance. Not, you know, not sleeping on anything. But so those tires are on fire. And what she decides to do is fly through a water tower instead of just using her breath to push.

put out the tire fire? Like, it seems like she creates more destruction. It seems like Supergirl is creating more destruction. She doesn't stop the truck. She just takes the first part off. I'd love to see what you would do, Paul, in that situation. You know, when you've got all that destruction around you, I just want to know, what would you do? Would you be thinking that clearly if you just got your powers like yesterday? She seems to blow

Give her a break. You know what the whole scene felt like? The whole scene felt like a town-wide version of the game Mousetrap.

You know what I mean? Like this whole piece of this has been hit and now the tires are on fire. This is happening over here. So this is crumbling. The gas is going. It felt like a Rube Goldberg machine because her solutions also, like you're saying, weren't always direct. They were also indirect things. So it felt like the whole thing was like,

a series of bizarre traps and also bizarre solutions that were unnecessary. When she defeats, when she defeats Faye Dunaway in that first scene where, again, vehicle control, where they're controlling the bumper cars, she just puts poles around her. But the poles don't seem like, like poles don't,

witch's powers. It wasn't like there were special poles. No, because she could melt them or whatever. Yeah, she does. I also couldn't figure out why bumper cars were such a threat. Those were the scariest bumper cars I've ever seen in my life. They weren't going faster.

They weren't more powerful. It was just she turned the bumper cars on while the man was in the thing. All he had to do was jump in one of the cars and enjoy the ride. It's just bumper cars. Or just walk out of the ride. Walk out of the ride. Or just get up and walk away and be like, I'm out. See ya. But he's like scrambling around like, ha, ha. Like he's terrified of just the bumper cars. I mean, this movie clearly has a problem with villains because what you want to see is like, you want to see your hero fight

A villain, and the first villain that she sends is just air? Like, it's an, well, I guess it's two shadow monsters. The first shadow monster comes at night and has no, nothing. No corporeal form. Yes.

And the second shadow monster is a little more, he's still translucent, but not fully there. Can I ask a question? Is the second shadow monster that has like claws and almost looks like a dragon or something like that?

Is that meant to be the box that the orb has been in this whole time growing now? That was one of those moments. Yeah. For me, like you said, Brie, where you like look away, like I looked away from the screen for a second and I turned back and that thing was there. Yeah. And you're like, what happened? And it was shocking. But I did think that Jason and it was- Why do I feel like though, June-

I feel like, though, June, you said you looked away for a second, but you really looked away for like 15 minutes. I mean, probably. That's probably true. June went on a tick-cock wormhole for about nine minutes. But I thought it was her soul because doesn't Nigel say at one point, like, you only will be a black magician if you look into your soul. You have to acknowledge how evil you are or something like that. He said something to her and then she gives him like acne. But I know. But in that moment, I thought that like that's her evilness. But then.

I don't know. I mean, that first fight scene is rough. For any actor to... I mean, I guess maybe it's like a movie without CGI. Because there's nothing going on. I assumed it was budget. I assumed they just didn't have the money to create... No, they had a lot of budget. This is a big budget movie. I know, now I'm hearing differently. Yeah, what was the budget for this? $35 million. $35 million.

In 1984. 35. So I don't understand then why that first fight was like with an invisible object. Cause that is, that made no sense. She's, you know, she flies up into the sky and with the pole, with the, uh, tele, not telephone pole, the, uh, you know, the street lamp pole and keeps getting electrocuted, hit by lightning and all of that fight. I was like, I'm,

not sure entirely what this is for who what is the and brie i'm gonna i'm gonna throw it back at you you said that she doesn't like she she doesn't know what to do but in that situation she's like oh okay i'll break a telephone pole i'll fly up into outer space i'll get a lightning bolt to hit it and then i'll do like she's very quick to figure out that solution yeah i don't have answers for that i was terrified when she was flying in the thunderstorm with the rod i was like

Don't do this. Yeah. Don't do this. This is a no. Especially for a kids movie. Yes. I think it's not... That was not good representation. But...

I mean, the reason why we're here is because the movie is what it is. And then there were times where I still was like, I wish I was let in a little bit more into what the rules were. Just like what her powers are. Because it seemed like it kind of was like, well, what's the... She can see things, but then also she can change her clothes. And so I just was like, I want to know what happens when you go from inner space...

to earth that gives you these powers, or at least like she never seemed surprised by what she could do either. It was just like, of course I can change my clothes into a prep school uniform. And, and so that, that was the stuff where I was like, she didn't have these powers on her home. Like that is definitely, we know that to be true. Well, yeah, I mean, it definitely appeared that way. And when she gets to the phantom zone, she also doesn't have her powers.

And yet, but yet when she is in the house, that's the castle on top of the, the rock, when the floor is like that weird lava, she doesn't get up and fly. I said, I thought the same thing. I thought the same thing. I know. That's the whole thing. That's the one thing we know you can do is fly. The moon.

The movie kept trying to, I feel like, have it both ways of being like, she's Supergirl. She can do anything. She can defeat the bad guys. She can do this. But it also wanted it to be like, she's just become Supergirl. She doesn't know what these powers are. She doesn't know yet how to fly. She doesn't have the, it's not instinctual yet. It's still learned. At points, incredibly capable, and at points, straight up idiotic.

idiot. Like, and like, and I think that they are like, and I can't believe you're calling Supergirl. I'm saying, oh, geez, people are really going to come for you. I know that's it. Now that's it. I've just sealed my fate. I will say, I just, before we kind of wrap up here, I do want to say that Kara Zor-El. Oh no, she's going to come from inner space to get me. Peter O'Toole in the Phantom Zone, that performance to me was, I just love his like,

I'm here and I'll be here for the rest of my life. I'm dead. Like he really embodied like with his spritzer bottle. Oh my God. Open your mouth. The other performance I loved was, which we haven't talked about yet, was the den mother at the dorm. Wait, is it?

Oh, drunk. I forgot about her. Yeah. Yeah. She just says in one scene, right? Yeah. I thought we hear about her. We hear about her. Yes. She's in the scene where Supergirl comes back and signs in at night. She's in her costume. After she defeated the shadow monster. She's forgotten to change back into her Linda persona. But the den mom is like kind of drunk and you see the TV in the background and you like get a glimpse of that room and

And it looks so like, there's certain things about this movie that were so great and specific in the way that it looked like that room. I could, I was trying to zoom in on my computer screen to see it. Cause it just looked so messy and specific and weird. And then like, that was so great. And then also like the costumes, like to not make Faye Dunaway, like a witchy witch to make her this,

Like, kind of beautiful, like, cream-flowing outfits. And she...

She looks gorgeous, but also like a witch. It was just so interesting. Brenda Vaccaro, too. Like, it's dressed well. Like, she's, like, tailored well. What was weird about it is they both, I thought, looked great and, to your point, had great wardrobe. And if you had put them in the penthouse of a skyscraper, they would have felt like Lex Luthor-level villains. Yeah. They would have felt like, oh, these are the

powerful villains that Supergirl is going to need to take down. So it was all the stranger, and I will say so much more interesting as a viewer to see them repeatedly just struggling to pay the rent and be stuck inside of an abandoned bar. Well, now actually I'm wondering, Paul, I'm wondering if they've spent all their money on their clothes.

Maybe. Well, that, you know, like, look, we didn't see their credit card bills and they didn't address it, but they were trying to get the coven to be a pyramid scheme. We do hear them say, like, if we get enough people in to our coven, we can, you know, they're working, they're having a lot of plans. But what was,

What was the plan with the orb thing? What was her plan when she makes the gardener fall in love? Okay, let's just start from there. When she makes the gardener fall in love with her, fine. When I watched it the second time, I understood it. The thing's beeping and she's like, oh, it's telling me that this is my prince and we're going to be like this power couple. So on second viewing, that made sense to me. She's like, got to get my prince for the power couple moment. But then after that...

It's always like, well, I'm saving the power orb for something else. And then it became really vague what it was. And then at the end, she's like got this giant map and she's using like a compass and she's pointing to the map and she's like Thursday, Friday, Saturday. By Saturday, we'll have them all. And I was like, I still don't know what you're doing. Is it that by Saturday, everybody will love you? Yeah.

Yeah. If that's true, then why did we need the, why did we need the walnut and the spell with the spider? Cause by Saturday it's all handled. And, but then also we see a quick glimpse and this is something that is very confusing where she is in a limousine going around, like being almost treated like a queen, you know, like going, people have protest signs up, like get, we must get rid of Selena. And it's like, wait, how did this happen so quickly? And,

I don't even know what transpired there. And how did they park that car and then go all the way to the top? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

The Phantom Zone is a... When she's in the glass thing and then she lands with... Oh, I know what it is, but where does it exist in... We've kind of been like, okay, so inner space exists deep in this lake in this small town, I guess, but then Phantom Zone comes up and Faye Dunaway is the one that makes it happen? Yeah, she's able to send her there? She's able to make it happen? I didn't understand that part. Okay, so Faye Dunaway... So I think we were talking about two different things. Faye Dunaway...

Banishes Supergirl to the Phantom Zone, which is basically another dimension. It's where Superman sends General Zod and those people in. It's that same floating, two-dimensional mirror-looking thing.

When Faye Dunaway says, I think I, what did she say? I think I need to do some redecorating around here. I think it needs to look nicer on here. And it snaps. And then there's the mountain and then there's the castle at the top of the mountain. And that's now where she lives. But what I couldn't understand is why does everybody know that who Selena is, that Selena did this so that they can be even protesting? Like, we don't want you here, Selena.

I think Selena, Jason, at that point must have. And these are the scenes that we didn't get to see. But I think she must have like commandeered the military, the police department. That's right. You said that's what she said in the thing. Yeah. Oh, did she? But like that. She says she says we'll start with the police. We'll start with the military. Brenda Vaccaro does something like that. Yeah.

So, I mean, we never got to see that, but I think some time must have passed. I mean, I don't know that that's a 24 hour thing. That society is dead. Her society that she lives in is dead in this time because so much time has passed unless we don't understand how time in the quantum, not the quantum zone, but the inner space zone works. But it seems like she's gone for a long time. And even dictatorship has been established. Yeah.

Perhaps. Yeah. Okay. And also Peter O'Toole seems like he's been in the Phantom Zone for a long time, but it seems like only a week, but maybe in the Phantom Zone it's like a month. No one's saying like, oh, and here every hour is four years. You need someone to say. You know what this movie is surprisingly short about?

On exposition, which is in normal times, in normal iterations of a superhero story or a sci-fi thing, when there are rules that are atypical to the rules of our world, somebody, a scientist, an expert, somebody says, this is what's happening, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. And that is...

is completely absentee. Even though there are people like, I suspect Peter Cook or some other people who seem to have knowledge or Peter O'Toole, they seem to have knowledge. They just don't share it, which is very strange. Yeah. It's kind of like, I always say like, don't treat your audience as being like dumb, but in this one I'm like, we're a little dumb. Like you got to let us in a little, like you got to do a little bit, like give us a little bit. They went, yeah, I've never seen a movie before.

just be barren of exposition because I really don't know who they are what they're doing why they're doing it and and and again We can't make heads or tails of the plan I guess the plan is that everyone would love her but it doesn't even really work because when she is the The Emperor of the world or ruling the world people are protesting against her So that's against what she was saying and even when she does the spell on the guy it seems like Supergirl has an ability to break that spell and

And the Supergirl. No, it's because Peter Cook breaks the walnut shell with the spider and it says, oops, the spider got out, which breaks the love spell. But also, but when she first gets him, like he's trying to escape, like he's been drugged. He has been drugged. Right. So he's like, he's like not under her spell. Like he's like. No, because it's when the spell she's the incantation, she says, is the first person after you drink this, the first person you lay eyes on, you will be in love with that person. Didn't they do that?

No, he wanders out into the world before he can lay eyes on her. So that's why when... It's also very specific. It's the first person you lay eyes on or one day. Oh, really? The specifics of the spell. That's amazing. Now, let me ask a question to the men in the room because there is a statement made by some of the young women in the movie where they say all guys go crazy for ear piercings. True or false? True or false?

Well, it's 1984, right? It's 1984. So true. Yeah. I feel like ear piercings was a big deal. In 1984, there was nothing more erotic than pierced ears. Like a feather earring. I feel like earrings got a lot more attention in the 80s. I feel like you would go to the mall, people would be getting their ears pierced. Guys were getting their ears pierced. I feel like 84 and earrings were big. Guys, I'm not going to lie. I pierced one of my ears in, I think, 1984.

1985, probably. Has it closed up? I pierced one of my ears. Wow, so this movie could have influenced that decision. You know what? It was because of this movie. I saw this movie and I was like, wait a minute, guys go crazy for pierced ears? Get me in on this. Yeah.

I mean, we all know one of my ears. Earlobes are the way that's it. Decorate those earlobes. I mean, you know, get them. Yeah. But but but I agree. It's not I don't think it is any kind of like no. I just wanted to check in about that. And Jason, has your ear hole closed? You know, it has. I wore an earring for maybe max two months. Wow. It was not. It was not a pierced.

Oh, I don't know that I knew that. I wore a fake earring. Yeah, you wore a fake earring? Wait, you really threw that away, quote unquote. What? What are you talking about? I wore a fake earring. Like a clip-on? Like a clip-on earring? Yeah, like a little magnet that you got.

What was it? Like a stud? So did you tell people you pierced your ear? Well, my friend Joe Weiss had pierced his ear and I thought that was cool. And I was like, I want to do it too. My mom's like, never. And I got one of them. Clip the little clip guys. Little clip guys. Little clip pops. Did you ever get busted?

No, I don't think anyone really checked in. Oh, and I also did this. This is the other thing I did. What was the front facing? What was like a little gold, like a little gold ball, like a ball, like very small. And the back was a magnet. So it just stuck on together. Yes, exactly. I will tell you this. This is the other thing that I did. Probably very dangerous. Yeah. At a certain point, I will say this. I also, because I went to a Catholic school and they were very, you know, they had to do certain things. I hid my,

not having an earring, but pretending to have an earring by putting a bandaid on my earlobe. Cause all the like, so basically like boys would have to hide their earrings at school by putting a bandaid on their earlobe.

But girls could wear earrings or they could? Yes. Yeah, the girls could wear earrings. So basically, you knew who a cool dude was because he had a bandaid on his ear. Yeah. And I was one of them cool dudes. You're like, oh, that's a bad boy over there because he's got a bandaid on his ear. With my fake pierced ear and my shirt from Boys in the Hood, the Cuba Gooding Jr. four panel shirt, that was me at the roller skating rink.

Just doing it up, living my best life. Wait, that entire sentence, would I have ever predicted it ended at the roller skating rink? You got to get out. You got to show your good stuff. Obviously, we have opinions about this movie. There are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for Second Opinions. The movie was a piece of shit. Yet this person recommends it. Tell me what is the message?

Thank you, John Lajoie. All right, so these are second opinions, cold from Amazon. There are 1,397 reviews of Supergirl. There are 72% of them are five stars. And so this is some of the highlights of these five-star reviews. This is from Joan Staubach.

She writes this in 2020. This movie is great for youngsters. Special effects are early 80s, but it's a good versus evil story with some goofiness for the kiddies. No one jumping out of bed and leaving their partner du jour to save the world or gratuitous shower scenes. Five stars.

Okay, sure. Uh, that's that one. And then we have this one. This is from Vin Skinsky goes, uh, I've always liked Helen Slater, but I never had purchased the movie. The crap they put on television is nothing compared to when they made TV for entertainment. Five stars. Uh,

Wait, this wasn't a TV movie? It did go on to be. She did do a TV show after. Oh, she did? Yes, this turned into a TV show after, which I can't wait to watch. Well, now I got to see that. She definitely has appeared on the new Supergirl as part of the mythology. This is from VK Mangalarvis. I went to see this film five times in a week back in 1984, and I was frustrated there was never a sequel with Helen.

I watched the extended cut three times in one night. It was amazing. The music is superb. I own the vinyl and the CD. My favorite scene is when Supergirl falls in love with that cute man and kisses him. You watch that scene and you fall in love with Helen. Period.

And the title is, if you had to watch this movie when you were 15, you would love it. Five stars. If you had to watch this movie, if you were forced to watch this movie when you were 15, as all 15 year olds should be. And then this one gets a little bit deeper from Ivan Ramirez. He goes, when it comes to Helen Slater and Supergirl, I tend to be a little partial because that blonde changed my life.

She was the first blonde I ever saw. Oh, God. I don't like this at all. And I fell in love immediately. I hope to meet her someday before I pass away because I love her and I always will. Before I pass away? Right.

And he goes, but with all that being said, I will be objective about my review. The story is bad. And there's too many things that are unreasonable in the story. Five stars. And the title is too much, maybe. But for a collector, it's worth it. And those are some of the five star reviews. Some of the. Oh, here's my last one. This is my favorite one. Sorry, I couldn't forget this one from Adam S. Written in 2018.

I could never find this in any stores like Walmart, Target, or those other stores. I would have bought this if those stores would carry it. But no, they don't have it. Thank you. I knew you were laughing when I said that. It's all right. Once again, but no, they didn't have it. And that person is great. Uh,

I understand why that was your favorite one. Because you just wanted to do that. I wanted to really get my acting out. The movie came out in 1984. The budget was $35 million. The opening weekend was $5 million. It made $14 million. It came in 66th place of all the movies that were released that year. It was beaten by films that we've done on this show, Rhinestone, Breaking 2. But it beat Streets of Fire, Ninja 3 Domination, and Runaway. Here is one thing that I thought was pretty great about it.

Which is also interesting because in this movie, Lois Lane's sister calls the tractor trailer that's going. She says, it's a runaway. Yeah.

So there's two technological movies in the same year where the driverless machines are called runaways. I mean, Maximum Overdrive is so upset they got on this too late. This movie had 14 taglines. They couldn't decide which one they liked. But here are the ones that I'll read, the ones that are the best. She has all the power of the universe, but she still has to learn about love. From another galaxy into your hearts.

She taught him what it was to fly. He taught her what it was to love. What? And then you'll believe a girl can fly. But that's a parody of you believe a man can fly from Superman. The only interesting thing that I thought is worth mentioning in the, the, the,

the information that Nate put together here was that Dolly Parton was originally the witch, the choice of everyone to be the witch, which I thought would have been so cool. So Dolly Parton said she could never play a witch. She's like, no, no, no, no. I'm not doing that. I might like, I would have loved that. But I mean, I, I loved Faye Dunaway. I thought she was incredible. Yeah. I thought, I mean, Faye Dunaway is amazing. There's so much in this that I liked and it was, it was a blast. Yeah.

I love this movie. Yeah, I did too. Allow me to say it again. This movie is fantastic. And so much of it, I want to say this because everybody's been saying this

so much of what's great about this movie is Helen Slater and the cast of characters they have surrounded her with. Because without Helen Slater, who is fantastic, and I urge everybody to please watch The Legend of Billie Jean, without her, and then without Peter O'Toole, Peter Cook, Faye Dunaway, Brenda Vaccaro, this movie would have been, I suspect, unwatchable. I agree, and I will say just one other thing that is interesting, and Brie, I think you will like this,

there is an extended cut of this movie. I heard you say that earlier and was like, wait, there's more than the two hours? Yes, there is 21 minutes of extra footage. And there's even more, apparently, that wasn't even restored. But there is a Blu-ray that I tried to buy last night and I might go back and try it again. It is 21 minutes of footage is restored and they said that there's actually an hour of footage in the vaults

with the Superman 2 footage that they redid. We need to be very careful that we don't start a hashtag release the Supergirl. I'm so here for this. I was like, release the Nigel cut. Get it out there. But they... Release the Nigel cut. They found...

they found a film container simply stating the words do not use. And inside that's where they found all this extra footage. Uh, according to what I read online, uh,

There's not much more stuff that makes sense. It's extended scenes a little bit more. And one of the scenes does involve Selena and the protesters and a big puddle of water appears in one of those scenes. And it's because in the deleted scene, Selena has retaliated at a female protester by transforming her into an ice and then shattering her.

So Selena does a little bit more evil stuff in that. We all agree. We want to see this movie again. I watch it again. I watch it over two nights and I rewound it and I enjoyed it. And, and I was rewatching it here and loving it. And, and I didn't even notice that like when Helen Slater comes out of the water for the first time, it's just a cardboard cutout because they couldn't afford to pull her out of the water. It's just, Oh,

I gotta rewatch that. It is a full-on cardboard cutout of her, and I think it's another one that goes back in, which is great. Oh, here's what I'll say, because I know there's going to be a lot of nerds who are like, that's canon. The reason she's at that school is because that's canon. That's the story of Supergirl. Argo City, we know it. There's a lot of stuff we get that's part of comics canon that we are not aware of. So if we have complained about her, if we've said it didn't make sense...

Perhaps, yes, it is from something, but inside of the movie. Oh, God. I'm not apologizing to those people or giving them any fucking time of day. A movie is made for people to watch. And like, unless I am told you must see all these other things before, I'm going to base my experience on what is being presented before me. Correct. Brie,

You have a brand new podcast. Tell us about this podcast that you have. Yeah, it's called Learning Lots with Bree and Jesse. I'm doing it with my best friend, Jesse Ennis. And it's just a way for us to learn more. I realized that in particular, the pandemic gave me a lot of time to reflect and realize the privilege I have of conversation, that there's so many interesting people around.

that I get the opportunity to speak with and learn more from. And I was like, well, I would love to be able to share this information and make it available to all. So

yeah, we're, we're doing topic-based conversations with experts and friends. And, um, we've only done a couple episodes, but it's just been really fun. And I've already learned a ton, even just learning how to make a podcast. And it's a little nerve wracking for me. I mean, even doing things like this, where I'm being myself rather than a character is like a new experience for me. And so I'm, I'm glad. I mean, I think it's a good kind of discomfort. I,

I have to say, I've been, I've watched a few of your, the vlogs that you've done on YouTube and it's, you really have done an amazing job of like,

Doing like, like, I think you really have created like a big world to kind of be in, whether it is about like, whatever, a daily routine or a really interesting conversation about, you know, race and you or then you can go into exercise stuff. I feel like it's very, very empowering and very like inspiring. Thank you. Stuff I've seen. Yeah, it's really, really awesome. It's been fun. June, Jason, what do you want? What do you want to talk about? Oh,

yeah, I'll plug a few things. So I'm excited about that podcast and I will definitely be listening as I, even though I said, don't come like down to the world of podcasts. I am also going to be launching a podcast. If you haven't heard it yet, the deep dive, the podcast I am doing with Jessica St. Claire is out. Um, and I encourage everybody to check it out, Paul. Um,

And Jason, Jason, I know Paul has never invited us onto his other podcast, but you, my friend, are welcome to come on. Wow. That sounds thank you. Thank you for that generosity. It's shocking how easy it is to do.

You know, after it's... I told you guys, we're really booked up. We're really booked up. After doing a podcast for over a decade with you, it's so easy. It's one of the easiest things in the world. Yeah, it's so hard for me to... Again, I got a lot of dates and stuff. You're in Canada right now, June, so I can't even figure out your schedule. More than available. I'm actually on ice for the next couple weeks. Jason, you're out of the house a lot. I'm not out of... I mean, all I do is sit in my closet and wait to podcast. Jason, what do you have going on? One more thing I want to plug, Paul, just really quickly.

One more thing I want to plug is my very best friend in the world, Casey Wilson, has an unbelievable book that's coming out on May 4th called The Wreckage of My Presence, published by HarperCollins. It's available wherever books are sold. But of course, I encourage everybody to go to their local indie bookstore and see if it's there. It probably is. And if it's not, you can order it. And I have... Go to Powell Books. I have a brand. I have a special copy of it that Casey sent me. And I am...

Just blown away by how beautiful her writing is. And it's hilarious and heartbreaking. And I just encourage everybody to see it. And again, that's May 4th, right? That is May 4th. May the 4th be with you. Oh, I wish you hadn't done that. Is it a Star Wars themed book? No. Jedi? She's going to reveal she's a Jedi? Casey doesn't traffic in that stuff. This is just a beautiful collection. Is it a Jedi's journal? No, it's a beautiful collection of essays about grief and mothering. You know what? Forget it.

Jason, what do you got?

So season one of Invincible, a great animated show that I do a voice on, is on Amazon right now. And it's really like fantastic, brutal superhero story. The opposite of this kind of poppy, good feeling kind of light superhero story, like really gruesome consequences laden superhero stories. That is a blast. I play one of the characters on that.

And that's about it. Well, I want to tell you all about a couple things that I've got going on. You can check out my movies Happily and Arch Enemy, which are on VOD right now. But more importantly, I want to tell everyone to check out my brand new Twitch channel. It's called Friend Zone, and we do a bunch of comedy shows. Jason and I have been doing a show on there called Quar Chat, which is an extension of what we do on the mini episode.

I also do a show with Adam Pally where we punch up your Twitter jokes. Rob Hubel and I, every Thursday night, do a big old comedy talk show. And there are more and more fun shows. David Wayne hosting a piano bar. And it's a fun... I'm having a blast with it. I love the community. You can visit me at discord.gg slash paulshear. And we also have a Discord for How Did This Get Made, which is discord.gg.

And I have a little how did this get made area on my page as well. But people, the most important thing is if you want to keep this conversation going, there is a chance for you to chime in and tell us what you thought about Supergirl. You can do that by calling into our mini episode. The number is 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K. That's 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K.

Ask. And we will talk more about Supergirl or your life problems. But you do have another line. That is a charged line. That is a charge. That is a charge of my OnlyFans. And that's actually, I transferred to OnlyFans and I'm really happy with it, actually. You're getting a lot of blowback, though.

So, you know, celebrities on OnlyFans. Well, because, but I'm actually delivering the goods, Jason. And a big shout out to all the people. I really wish you hadn't said it as delivering the goods. A big shout out to everybody. Which is to say you deliver DVD copies of the movie The Goods to people. Yeah. But I also have to say that this show could not be made without the amazing team that pulls it together.

every single week. And that starts with our amazing super producer, Cody Fisher. Cody is absolutely amazing, pulls this whole show together. And Devin Bryant, the reason why this show sounds good, the reason why our live shows sound good, the reason why...

everything is perfect because Devin is behind the boards. He knows how to put this thing together and he does a damn fine job. Uh, Molly Reynolds, who is also just a power, I'm gonna call her a power player, an MVP of the show, uh, always helping out wherever we need it. And of course our producer, Aval Hallie. Aval, uh, has a great show called movie bitches. We play clips of that, uh,

on our mini-episodes. But more importantly, Avril picks all of these films. And picked this one here today. She has been on an absolute roll. A big shout-out to July Diaz, who listens through. Make sure that we said everything right. Love, July. July, thank you for all your hard work. And can't let it be said enough, but Nate Kiley...

I'm going to take a bullet for you, man. You have a brand new baby. You're giving me research every week. You're a fucking champ. And you know what? I don't... I may have had the wrong information, but I also learned. So I'm going to sit in that. I'm going to sit in that this week as well. And I want to give a shout out to all the amazing art that people post up on our social pages, which come from the ghost of Craig T. Nelson on Instagram, Zach McAleese, and of course, Kyle Waldron. You can see all of their amazing art on our Facebook and Instagram pages. People...

We have shirts, we have merch, we have a lot of cool things, and each one of these things are created by you or us. They are very specific to each individual episode. You can go to tpublic.com slash stores slash HDTGM, and you can see all the latest stuff. We have a brand new Snyder Cut, we have a Dirt Pipe Milkshake shirt. We got it all in there. I love it all. It's so, so good. And there's sales going on at T-Public at all times. So,

Thank you for listening. And if you like the show, go back and listen to some older ones. Go sign up for Stitcher Premium and you can listen to it commercial free. But most importantly, please rate and review the show, especially on iTunes. It helps. It really does help us. And we really appreciate anyone who takes the time to do it. I know that I'm not a person who does that, but if you did it for us, I would be forever grateful.

ever grateful. Thank you, Brie, for being here and we will see you next time. Thank you, Brie. Thank you, everyone. What a delight. All right. Bye for now. Bye. Bye.

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