Matinee Monday: Teen Witch (w/ Deanna Cheng)
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Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? I'm your host, Paul Scheer, joined, as always, by my co-host, Jason Manzoukas. How are you, Jason? I'm good, Paul. How are you? Very good. And June Diane Rayfield. How are you, June? I'm doing well. How are you, Paul?

Very good. We are very lucky to have another Raphael in the studio today, the host of one of my favorite podcasts on the Wolf Pop Network. Please welcome Deanna Raphael. How are you, Deanna? I'm great. I'm so happy to be here. Can you say that she's also a family member?

Well, I would assume that people would put that all together. I would also assume that this... Well, my name is no longer Deanna Rayfield. Oh, my gosh. Deanna Chang. So just... Whoa, hold on. I've already messed up. I've already messed that up. Well, but just for the familial... For the sake of familial relationships, June, Deanna. Deanna June. Hi. Hi. How are you? Good, how are you? Good, thanks. If you can't understand the difference between our voices...

It's because they're the same. Guys, you got double Junes on the show. Well, yes. Deanna Chang, host of OMFG on the Wolf Pop channel. One of the best podcasts out there. So take a listen to that. Let's talk about this movie. But first, before we get into it. By the way.

You're welcome. Thank you, Jason. Thank you. You're welcome. I did not know of this movie. Netflix definitely listened and put this up almost immediately after we mentioned we wanted to do it on the live episode. So you had never heard Top That? Never. Wow. And Top That and Richie, actually Richie the brother, is such a touchstone in my life that it registered for me as a reference in what podcast? Streets of Fire? One of them, yeah. One of those from that night.

And that mention alone created a firestorm of people demanding. I got emails from people that were like, I need to be the guest on that episode. This movie means a lot to people. I've never seen it. It paid off to me in an amazing way. But if you don't know anything about Teen Witch and you plan not to watch it, which I highly don't recommend.

Because it's so easy to watch on Netflix. I'll tell you a little bit about the plot. According to IMDb, this is the log line. Luis is not very popular at our high school. And then she learns that she's descended from the witches of Salem. Why are you calling her Luis? I don't know. Luis. Is it Luis Guzman? Now I feel confused. Luis. Guys, I've already messed up two names. I'm already sweating. This is like, oh boy.

Oh, man. There's so many names in this movie, too. What's going to happen? So Luis Guzman is a teen witch. He's like, I don't know. What do I go, abracadabra? I don't know what to do. All right, well, Luis, how do you pronounce it? Now I get it. Luis. Cheers.

Jeez Louise. Jeez Louise. There you go. I'm looking at it spelled out. Louise. Louise. I am awful. Hey, Louis? Awful at pronouncing names. No. I am terrible about it. Is that true? Jacob, yes. Yes.

I don't know what that is, why I've become that. I feel like it is part of your identity on the show. I think it has to be. I feel like the message boards are already like, one minute in and Paul's already messed up a name. Twice. Two. Two. No, I, because I'm watching you read the plot summary. I think if you hadn't read it and if you had just been talking about her,

I would have said Louise. You would never have said the wrong name. Right. That's true. Yeah. I think looking at Louise, it looks like Louise. You might have to start writing them out phonetically. L-O-O. I carry – I do it with June. I have – E-E-S-E. I have a cue card in my pocket of a calendar month, and I know when I look at that, that's how I pronounce June's name. There are a couple people in our life, and they'll remain nameless.

Well, because we don't know how to say their names. But we've gone over the pronunciation of their names. You have to say one. You have to. I can't. I'm too scared the listener will be. Oh, I will say that we all have a very good friend who only calls another good friend of ours Segunda.

Oh, really? Segunda. Well, have we talked about Segunda? And I'll be like, are we still doing this? Not intentionally. No. He just like, that's his idea of Andy's name. Andy Segunda. And I'm like, you know that's categorically just not his name. See, I don't mess it up that bad. I mispronounce aggressively. I think I overlook it. You just did it perfectly. Aggressively. Yeah.

Teen Witch, according to IMDb, is about a girl named Luis Guzman who's not very popular in her high school. She learns she's descended from the witches of Salem and has inherited their powers. At first, she uses them to get back at the girls and teachers who teased her and win the heart of the handsome footballer's captain. But soon she has doubts if it's right to cheat her way to popularity. That is the premise of the show.

But boy, oh boy, it does not get into the beauty of this movie. I actually say she has doubts from the beginning. She does. But what's interrupting those doubts is 10 to 12 musical numbers. Well, it is a musical, but it's also, I think that... It's not a musical. No, it's not a musical. No, it's not a musical at all. It's not a musical in the sense of like a quote unquote musical, but it is...

full of music videos. Yes. It is full of like songs. Nobody is singing songs with the exception of Top That. No. With the exception of Top That and I've Got the High School Blues. Who sings I've Got the High School Blues? What? The guys, the white rappers? Oh, of course. I'm so sorry. Of course. But they're a musical number. In Blazers? White rappers in Blazers? Of course. By the one of them, Robert Blake's son. Um...

He did it. He did it. We know it. Next season of American Crime Story, please. No, the thing that I thought, I had the same thought. It's in their head, but it's not because when she's in the locker room and they're singing the new cheer. I like boys. I like boys. She played the boombox. Well, she played the boombox and then. No, she didn't play the boombox. Yeah, she did. That song is coming from. The boombox. The boombox.

- She says, I have the music for our new cheer. - The girl played the boombox, not Louise. - Louise though is always constantly peeking around lockers and looking, so it's happening. - Oh no, the music is diegetic to the scenes, that's the word, I made that up.

But it is not sung. It is not like, it's not a musical in the sense of Grease where people burst into song. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. And sing the next like bubble. So they are though breaking out into large choreographed dance numbers. Dance routines. But it's not. So it's more like music videos are happening during the course of the movie. Right. That are completely choreographed and not a fiction of someone's imagination. Correct. That's crazy.

Oh, it's, but this movie, the movie begins with like what seems to me to be like the beginning of a Showtime movie or a Cinemax movie that's going to end in someone getting fingered on the rooftop. I said it's like a tentative Lombada. It's like they're trying to be sexy, but you also see the fear in their eyes that they might fall off this building, which they clearly like, just get up there, kids. Get on the edge. Get on the edge. Well, are there vocals to that song in the beginning? No, it's like all like saxophone.

Plaintiff saxophone music. Yeah, they look scared. I will say that this is the most, and your welcome really applies to me because for some reason I never got my eyes on this movie. And it is happening like when I was from middle school, like 10.

Eighth grade to ninth grade. This is you. This is me. I don't look at this movie and go like, oh, that's funny. The styles are funny. The fashions. It's like I see it. I'm in it. It's me. And I saw you too. You did? I saw you too. Did you see me in the oversized grandpa coat she walked in in? Okay, thank you. Because Deanna would wear a lot of like giant blazers. Right. Yes. Like giant gray blazers and giant Oxford shirts underneath them and then like a

A brooch. Like tying the shirt together. And then like a piece of lace somewhere, too. Absolutely. A neckerchief around the neck. Neckerchief. These are things that were absolute. It was me coming into my style. So I look at this and I'm like, yup and yup and yup. You were wearing outfits like that in school? I was wearing. I wasn't wearing outfits. Piano ties? No, no. I mean, there's definitely a period where I'm dressing like.

between Ducky and... Wow. You know, like, I definitely... Yeah, really. Because to me, this is 1989, this movie. This movie is the very end of high school for me. End of high school. So, like, a lot of the... There was definitely blazers. There was definitely... Like, the blazer looked... A lot of clothes. Like, a lot of clothing and layers of clothing. Oh, yeah. Like, vests and blazers. Correct. Skirt and pants.

Two, two. Above. It's amazing that anyone got out of the house in the late 80s because the amount of clothes you have to put on and then the amount of gel and mousse that you have to put in your hair. Oh, yeah. You are really committing to a long time in that bathroom. Blow drying, of course. I love those ducky pics whenever. I'll send you some. I'll send you some.

Yeah, no, it really was. This definitely rang a lot of bells for me as well. And this is a movie that I, in college, for some reason, became obsessed with. My friends and I used to watch this obsessively, and my girlfriend and I, for years later, would quote

Top that. Yeah. We would quote my favorite line of the entire movie as Richie's line where he goes, I took the liberty of ironing your homework. His line deliveries are master. He is one of the finest actors of our time. He is introduced eating a chocolate cake under his sister's bed.

Well, I will talk about, I want to talk about Richie in great detail. A chocolate cake. Did I say chocolate milk? No. Chocolate cake. Everybody's worried now about what they're saying. I just want to say the right thing. Did I say the wrong thing? I'm so sorry to chocolate milk and to chocolate cake. And Andrew Secunda.

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For free. Terms and conditions apply. Here is just a mashup of Richie's best lines. We'll get into Richie here in a second. Richie is the main character's younger brother. Who is? Like, the annoying younger brother. Take a listen. Gee, get out of there, you little pinhead.

Touch me and die, lady. What do you think about this food? All you think about is Brad, the red-hot lover. Brad the Great. Oh, Brad, you have been reading my diary again, haven't you? Brad, kiss me, darling. Oh, I love to feel your arms around me. No one's coming to your sweet 16 party. Yeah!

I prepared you a wholesome breakfast. You morning paper. I took the liberty of ironing your homework. Yay!

That is a little touch of Richie. That was the other one that we used to say all the time. You think you're hot stuff because you went to a dance. You're a dog.

Richie, to me, has some problems with his eating. I am worried about Richie. He has a raging eating disorder. All the characters, I'm worried about them off screen because they all come with extensive baggage. But Richie being the one that is the most unchecked, and I would say the drama teacher being the second one. I'm very excited about her. I'm ready to talk about the drama teacher very shortly. But Richie, I do think he's...

Neglected, too. Well, first of all, I think this must have been written for a much fatter kid. Because Richie the actor is not overweight for the amount he's eating. Well, eventually he will be. He will be, but he's... Originally John Candy was cast in the part. That makes sense. But John Candy kept on eating all the food. They also realized he was a grown man. But Richie does not get any attention from his parents. No. It's all about Luis Guzman. And...

He's just acting out all over the place. I don't think he's acting out. The boy is hungry. And he's not even hungry on normal levels. Like, why is he eating? Well, he's that, like, neglected second kid. You know? Although, Luis Guzman is also neglected. Like, it's... Like, the riff is, like, again, 89. Yeah. So, all the John Hughes movies have...

What would have happened? Yes. So this is basically, what if Sweet Sixteen had magic in it? No, Sixteen Candles. Sorry, what if Sixteen Candles had magic in it? And threw like a dash of Grease 2 into it. Just a sprinkling of Grease 2. And the witch woman from Poltergeist and all the other movies who I love. I said that this movie felt distinctly Canadian too. Even though it's not Canadian, it just felt very clean and...

Like, oddly sanitized. Like, even though they were in locations in L.A. that seemed seemingly dangerous. Like, going over that L.A. bridge in the late or the early 90s is not a safe place at all. It just felt like they were in a very idyllic setting. And it just felt very safe. And no people of color. Zero people of color. Like, not even extras in the background. Like, no.

No. It is white. Yeah, no, white to the degree that there are numerous rap performances perpetrated by, like, very wealthy white people. Yeah. Was the main rapper giving you Bobo like Ryan Reynolds vibes?

Yeah, a little bit like a Burned At version of him. Yeah, I kept thinking. I can see that. Yeah. It's interesting the parents. Noah Blake you're talking about. Louise Guzman's parents because she – for the longest time I kept thinking if her mom was so beautiful – her mom is beautiful. Sure. At her age that we meet her, but she was also beautiful in high school. We do find out that she was an ugly duckling in middle school. But why wouldn't she ever lean in and say, hey –

Let me brush your hair out. Let me, let's try on a few. Like her mom was so stylish and gorgeous. Except that her mom is the one that got her that sweater vest. They are trying to keep her buttoned up. Because remember, she is also younger than everybody in high school. She skipped a grade. She's a year younger. So she's a year younger. So I feel like the parents are trying to keep her a year younger and are afraid of her burgeoning sensuality. Her sexual awareness.

They said, we found this for you in the young Miss department, right? That was the...

But it didn't seem like they were intentionally... I guess what seems strange to me about that is that her mom is like a sexy older woman who seems to... We get it, June. You're into the mom. I love that mom, by the way. Karen Kay from It's Your Mood. And the dad is Dick Sargent from Bewitched. Was he wearing eyeliner the whole time? I don't know, but I also found the dad's relationship with her to be a little strange. Like he was almost a little too connected to her...

For my liking. Okay. You thought he had designs on her? No. I didn't know what was going on. I felt like it was odd that they were so involved with her and they didn't care about the second brother at all. The dad seemed to have a sense that, like, she wanted more and she was going to blossom one day. I agree with you about the mom. I never got the sense, like, when she put a bag together and changed in the locker room, I was like, wow, I don't think her mom would trip out if she wasn't.

They wore a cute outfit. They weren't shown to be like repressive parents. I think that they, if anything, they just seem out of touch. I think that that's what they were going for. Like they don't know what's cool and hip. And I guess what I would have done is made the mom more like frumpy. Yeah. Interesting. I felt like the parents were just detached. Yeah.

Yeah, overall. You know what I mean? The dad's reading the paper. The mom is like getting her clothes that aren't relevant for the now. Like they just seem to me to be classic. Again, it is not unlike the parents in Sixteen Candles who've forgotten that it's their birthday. They are, yes. But they're more checked out. Like these parents seem like they're home. They're focused on the other daughter. Right, where this parent seems like they're home. They're having dinner together. They're having breakfast together. And they did have a birthday party for her.

Which, it just seems like, why would you have a birthday party in the middle of the week? Everyone knows you don't have... That's a bummer move. Yeah, and even her best friend is super late to the party. The cake has been served. I love that girl. She's amazing. The best friend is my favorite character in any movie ever. She is...

she's like the 1980s quintessential amalgam. She is Kimmy Gibbler meets like all, like every like one of the ones that's like, you're not. Blossom. Yeah, she's everyone. She's that side character in every one of the movies. Oh, she is so good. She's Hats.

Yes, hats. Blossom hats all day, every day. Exactly. And she pulled that hat down and did top. I know we're not at top that, but like that slow drop, I was like, yeah. It's thrilling. Yeah, it was exciting. And the thing is, and I do, and this movie also hits a sweet spot for me of coming of age, high school kind of movies. It's not unlike...

Patrick Dempsey and What's Her Name, when he gets to become popular, he's driving a lawnmower. Oh, Can't Buy Me Love. Can't Buy Me Love. There's a bunch of movies where it is, the entire movie is predicated on the artificial ascendancy of a nerd to popularity status, right? And then a fall from grace. And I love this one, and I love it because every single category of person is perfect.

You know, every, her friend, her nerdy friend with hats, we'll call her Hats. Hats is great. The popular guys are great. Wait, isn't the popular guy's name Jake? Brad. Brad. Might as well be Jake Lacey from Sixteen Candles. Not Jake Lacey. What's his name? Jake. Jake, no, that's, I mean, isn't it? Jake Lacey is the actor from Obvious Child.

But it is Jake. It is something like that. Anyway. It is Jake Lacey. All of these people have... They're fitting all of the perfect quintessential 80s archetypes into a movie that then has all of these amazing weird music numbers and magic. And it is kind of a perfect movie. Well, here's my complaint, though. And this is why I will say it's not a perfect movie. Oh, boy. Because...

I would rather hats want a music career.

What I feel like Louise Guzman has done wrong with her powers is she's assuming everybody wants what she does, that everybody wants love. And that's not the case. Jake Ryan. Thank you. I think it would have been a stronger choice for Hats to just want to be a rapper and to want to top that. Same goes for the acting teacher. The acting teacher has already told us she wanted to be a Broadway star. Right. But she gets a man. But they give her a man. She gives everyone love. She's selfish. Right.

She is. She's a teenager. She's a teenager, but she's selfish in that she assumes that they all want what she wants. Correct. But as, like, a 15-year-old would. Yeah, but I don't think... You know what I mean? I don't think she sets out to demonstrably change, to demonstrably give everybody within their own lives what they want. I don't think she's...

savvy enough to understand. I think she is just... Has this weird power and is giving it out into the world. Can I talk about what I think the major problem with this movie is? Oh, boy. You're Mr. Miyagi. That is, of course, Madam Serena Alcott. The Mr. Miyagi character is...

teaches no consequences. Correct. She is like, do it. Let's do it. She's not like with great power and great responsibility. She's like, go. And give me more. Yes. And when Louise Guzman comes back and says, you know what? I don't know that I like this. I don't know if he likes it. Me for me. She's like, who cares? Yeah. She's like, you're popular. Yes. And the witch doesn't learn her lesson at all. The witch is like,

Just wants to get her laid, and at the end, you see it in the big wide. She's getting laid by the English teacher who strips. Oh, my God, I missed that. Yeah, well, it's very—you can see them small in the background. But it's full penetration. Yeah, because he still has his pants off from the beginning. And she's—inexplicably, she's just screaming, go towards the light, go towards the light. But I think that, like—but I think her Mr. Miyagi is bad.

Because she doesn't learn any lessons. And their magic is also flawed. Because if she says, you're a dog, then he's a dog. But then other times, to get somebody to fall in love, she's got to say this Latin poem. And then other times. Voodoo doll. Yeah, then voodoo doll. How come nobody notices she has a voodoo doll? Well, she's doing it at home, right? Nope. She's sitting in class undressing a large voodoo doll.

Okay, even crazier is what the most popular girl in school does not realize that her cousin has gone missing. Yep. Okay, I was trying to... For a long time. This is what I think, because I...

Because we never learn where he's gone. But I think because the brother turned back after water. And just assume. Well, we're going to assume that her powers are not that strong. And eventually his essence hit water and he came back. I hope so. Are we saying if that drama teacher to go on vacation and there's water there that she'll fall out of love? She will. Well, she gets the postcard, though, that is like we're having the best time. Me and what's his name?

This water is a very tricky part of this. I have to say, I do think with the drama teacher, it did upset me that her life changed dramatically, and I worry about that count or whoever that was she found because she was an interesting character in that she clearly had dreams deferred. Yes, but she was happy with where she was. And then to take her and to actually project Lucille's

Luis Guzman's own sadness onto her was actually beyond selfish. It was really, that is kind of cruel. No, she took away this woman's life and gave her like a storybook romance that is untenable for the rest of your life, I think. No, but I think she made it work, right? She's going around the world. There's going to be water somewhere. Oh boy. Water will happen.

And then what's she going to do? She's going to go. She doesn't have her job anymore. Maybe she can go back to being the receptionist at the Bob Newhart show.

Or Mrs. Krabappel from The Simpsons. The one thing that I thought was maybe a flaw, the thing that I was kind of missing, was that Brad, like she was very, very shallow. Brad never gave us anything except for looks. Yep. Not a damn thing. We never saw one moment where Brad, except for being like, yeah, popular, it's hard to be popular sometimes. That was like his one day. He's afraid to go to college, right? Yeah.

Yes, and he did say that he didn't know if people liked him for him. Okay, okay, but that's just hard. That's why it's hard to be popular, like Big Whoop. You know what I mean? It's not a real deep dive into who Brad is. We never got to know. I don't know that Brad knows who Brad is either. But that's why you would think she would see him eventually and be like, you know what, he's not that great. But she kept wanting him the whole time. And I'm like, okay, well.

But if it was a love spell, again, I go back to this faulty magic because she goes, I wish you would look at me. Then he looks at her and goes, I wish you would come over. Then he comes over. Then he's like, help me with my reading test. So he was planning to come over and always ask for help? I guess I don't understand how the magic works. Well, I also didn't understand. We were told that the magic was going to kick in on her 16th birthday. Yeah. And then we were told it was because she was wearing a special amulet, which if she hadn't found that –

Would she ever have... It found... I'm sorry, June. The amulet found her. I'm so sorry. Okay. When Serena looked into her palm and saw that she was a witch, like her acting in that, what Serena gave when she saw her witchness in that palm,

I was like, she's like really good. Oh, yeah. Oh, I love Zelda Rubinstein. So wonderful. Here's just an interesting fact about this movie. This movie was a straight up ripoff of Teen Wolf. It was supposed to just be a female version of Teen Wolf. It went so far to borrow the font and lettering for the title, the tagline and the plot.

And that was just in response to Michael J. Fox's great Teen Wolf, which I loved and was shot before Back to the Future. Well, wait. This was the other thing I was going to say, though. It was supposed to be Friday. It was supposed to be right at her 16th birthday. Then she happened to find the amulet or it found her. But it really didn't kick in until it was Friday the 13th. Wait. That was part of it? Yes. Wasn't that all on the same day? Yeah.

No, I think days had gone by after her 16th birthday. She had a really tough day because in my mind, I'm like, the teacher read her diary. She was almost run off the road. I remember that. That was terrible. I felt for her. I was like, this is, yeah. Because she's also younger than them all.

You know, she's a young kid and she's hated. As June said, one year. I mean, let's one year. I mean, she's one year. It's a cut off in a school year. But she skipped a grade. And remember when she gets there and the hip hop boys are like, should you even be in high school? Meanwhile, with her overgrown jacket, I thought she looked like a grandma. And that's what they were saying. Oh, interesting. June. June Diane. Yeah.

Not only did she get that red, but she had the cajon to go after. The balls? The balls to go after being humiliated in class to creep around and look at him on the football field. I couldn't believe that. I was like. I was actually like, well, that's where I lose you. Yeah. And auditioned to be. His love interest. His love interest in the play. And given everything she got during that audition. And crushed. Is what.

He was just director. I didn't do plays in high school or anything like that. Did you audition everybody fully off book? Oh, yeah, of course. I've never been.

You don't do scenes. You don't like match up scene partners. That was like a chemistry test. Yes, you do. We were matched up in high school. Was it a chemistry test? Yes. Yes. Like these were the guys and these were the girls and they were going to mix and match to find the couples. Well, I just love that in the director assigning parts, they pretty much go like, all right, here's the lead, the second lead, and then the assistant costume person is you. Yes, sir.

Like that's how you give out parts. Not a part. No other below the line things. You're the lead. You're the other lead. And assistant costume designer, Louise Guzman. You don't audition to be an assistant costume designer. She may not have any talent in costuming at all. I just want everybody to know you didn't get it. By the way, the way she's dressed, I wouldn't give her assistant costume at all.

A slam. A major slam. But yeah, so we're going to say that her diary was read. She auditioned for the play. She was run off by the road. It was her birthday. No one showed up. And she met the witch all on the same day. Yeah. It's a big day. Big day. By the way, when she's run off the road and Brad finds her like in a ditch –

Run off the road because Brad is getting an H.J. from his girlfriend in the car. By the way. And how late was it? Interesting fact. I don't know. Brad and that actress ran off to get married after the movie. Stop. And they're still married. That's amazing. Congrats to them. Yeah, exactly. Well, I thought it was crazy where she's like, you don't have to drive me home. And he's like, I know I don't. But actually, you do have to drive her home and you should. Yeah.

She was hit by a car. She was run off the road. It's a little different. He should still drive her home. He should drive her home and be a gentleman. How weird was it when she goes back to talk to Madame Serena and sits on Madame Serena's lap and then they're like, oh no, this doesn't work. And then Madame Serena sits on her lap. And they laughed about it. I was like, what the fuck is going on?

That was like, I feel like a bit that they did in rehearsal and then it stuck in the movie. Like that was like, oh, this will be fun. It's like, she's a gorgeous face. But that's always like, she's all that. I know, but like they could have thrown a pair of glasses or something. It's interesting. This is also an era where the, the girl lead who can't be too beautiful, but can't be too plain has to be a redhead.

Okay. Oh, you know, you've got your Molly Ringwald. You've got your Leah Thompson's. You've got your Robin Lively's. They are straddling so that they can be done up and be beautiful or they can be done down and be a little plainer. But they are not bombshell blondes and they are not plain brunettes. You know, interesting because so what you're saying is by virtue of having red hair, she's like, they're already ugly.

They are already other. There are unicorns in their own way. They are something that doesn't have as much of a stereotype to it. By the way, we're talking about redheads that are also not true redheads. Oh, no. We're not talking about Anne of Green Gables. Oh, Pippi Longstocking. We're not talking about Pippi Longstocking. They're gross. Like the most sexual being on the planet. Yeah, we're talking about like...

I don't even know how to describe the red, but it's... Like Auburn-y. It's Leah Thompson's hair from Howard the Duck. It's very similar. It's brown-red. And blonde-red at the same time. Yeah, it's in that middle zone because that's like, that's the middle zone. That is like, it's somewhere in between. And the woman is her neighbor who's like the blonde bombshell. Yeah. And then there's hats. You know what I mean? And then you've got... And then there's Kiki. And then, yes, and you're in the middle.

The blonde bombshell's name is Randa. Anyone want to deal with that? In the movie? In the movie, it's Randa. Randa. Is that just cool? Yeah, it's a pretty cool name. Randa? Randa, yeah. Maybe because she was Randy. Maybe. No, it's Randa with an A. That's hilarious. I maybe would be Randy, but Randa is rough. Yeah, that's weird. Here's the thing about Louise Guzman's transformation. What?

Even when she becomes beautiful, she's never able to really get out from underneath those bangs. Yeah. But bangs were everything back then. That was it. It's so hard to believe that. A side pony and bangs is like too much going on.

First of all, to have your bangs straightened out and to have your hair curly is everything I want all day long, every day. When I see her with a straightened out, blown out bang and a curly – It looks insane. Oh.

For me, it was everything. But the blown out bang is like half of the blowout is straight up. Straight up. Sprayed up. Straight up in a wall. Straight up, sprayed up. I'm sorry. That's what's up. Did you guys not experience this? No. We did. This was all of my high school. Junior high and high school for me was...

A wall of bangs. A wall of bangs going down. And equally as large wall of bangs going up. That was Cheryl Hamjig in my high school class. It was everybody. This was the height of.

Of beauty. Hankinson, that is a great picture. Bang both ways. Bang both ways. Frost, and I'm talking about like 14-year-old girls who had what I would consider to be mom haircuts. Yeah. Right. But at the time, when you saw Walla Bangs like that, were you like, yes. Vavava boom. It's true. It depended on whether they'd gotten boobs or not. Right, right, right. Okay, that's fair. Boobs were still very important to me at that time. Sure, sure. I spent a lot of time getting one sex.

sectioning the side up and then making sure I could wing it out. The better, like the more defined the wing, the better. That's what she has in this movie too, which is like a real wing out with those bangs. Wow. You've been listening to Bangs Talk here on How Did This Get Made. The spin off of Wig Talk. The Riffle Sisters bringing you Wing Talk.

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I do want to get behind one thing before we get into even some of the other classic moments. Why was she so hated by the teachers? She also seemed hated for no reason.

Well, that's why that one teacher is making fun of her for being late, but also making fun of her for skipping her grade. Like, who do you think you are? You think you're so smart. Yeah, want to knock her down a peg. That's not a teacher thing to throw down the kids who are smart. Like, that doesn't seem like – the teachers seem like straight-up bullies. That teacher was terrifying. Well, I do feel there were teachers in our high school and middle school who –

were friendlier to the kids who were average and cool than they were to, like, the smart nerds. Okay. But this teacher, it didn't line up for. Well, he also seemed like a nerd. Yeah, and I don't know why he was so angry at her. Whipping a desk?

And then when she did do the voodoo doll, it was he walked into a car wash. Yeah, I loved it. Oh, that was great. That was some great physical comedy when he walked in. Why wouldn't he just feel like he's in a car wash?

What I didn't understand, is that how voodoo dolls work? Where if you take off their clothes, the voodoo doll takes off its... Where if you take off the voodoo doll's clothes, the person takes off... I always thought voodoo dolls had to do with pins. Like you pin one section and then their arm goes this way. You pin another and they're like... I thought it was more pins. Yeah, I don't know. I think for the sake of the movie, I mean, it's more witchcraft than voodoo.

So maybe, yeah. I mean, like, we'd have to ask real witches. Let me ask this. Was Madam Sabrina a real witch? She seemed to need a lot of help being a witch. Like, she had a lot of opportunities. So she was just a fortune teller. No, I think she was a witch. But why couldn't she do her own spells? That's the thing. She was not great at being a witch, necessarily.

she'd had a lot of time at it, but she wasn't like great at it. I mean, why wouldn't she just make her own money? Why did she care how much money Louise Guzman was going to bring? Didn't she make her own money out of that coal or whatever? But then if she can just make up her own money, why does she care that this gal who's walked in doesn't have a lot of cash? She needed to like have the double power. She needed to like go, I got to hold your hand on all these things. Like that's why she made a frog into the boyfriend. That's why the house got,

weirdly interior decorated but no one commented on I couldn't figure that out at all no one she didn't go oh you changed your house like no one ever commented was it same place same place same place but like all new interior furniture and but yet the witch is like oh yeah we went to school back in 1800 together like she showed her the book so they were together but one was more powerful than the other

I just get the sense that she didn't have a lot of skills as a witch, and she needed this youth to kind of help her beef up her potions. I kind of want to see a prequel with that character going through school. I would love to see very cool, very artful, early 1900s, just going around having fun with Zelda Rubinstein. Like, you could easily...

Take this movie and make a Buffy the Vampire Slayer style TV show based on this. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's no different. It's like, what is that show where the girl touched her two fingers together and then... Small Wonder? No, this is like a girl whose dad was an alien. Yeah, yeah. Wasn't that the one that Paul Feig was on?

Was it? Oh, maybe. Yeah. Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Well, that's a different one. That's Sabrina. Sabrina the Teenage Witch is essentially that. That's true. You're right. Yeah, we shouldn't even go out of. Yeah, they did it. That's this. They've done it. That's this. Why did she have birth control in her bag? What was that about? I don't know. By the way, this is the most sexed up school of all.

all time. Every class was about sex. Oh, oh, oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, they were always talking about sex, but yeah, they don't explain why she was on birth control. I mean, some girls needed to regulate their period, but I feel like... But no, he says it's not used. Doesn't he say it's not being used? But she's carrying it around like a condom? Like, just in case? Like, I'll pop these if I start getting... Just in case Brad's ready, she's gonna like...

Start taking birth control. And that's not how it works. Also sending out the wrong message. Like she should be taking them on the off chance that she does get them. But you know what? It's responsible for her to be on birth control. But she's not. It absolutely is. But she's not. Maybe it was a new packet and this was her first day. Like we missed the scene where she went to the pharmacy? Maybe.

I love the condom chant. Oh, yes. Oh, my God. Let's listen to the sex ed scene here. The teacher holds up an umbrella, and this is what transpires when the teacher is told that she has to teach health, so she immediately has to teach them about sex. Here we go. Adam had one of these.

Does anyone know what this might represent? A roger. A loved one. Joystick. Dong. Zipper lizard. Tallywhack. A trouser snake. Shlong. That's enough, Fred. Thank you. No problem. Now it's a race against time. Sparky Sperm is loose and he's heading for the target, Edna the Egg. And when he reaches it,

He makes a baby. Yes, that is exactly what we don't want. Not yet. So... This is crazy. Use one of these. She pulls out a condom. It's called a condom. Condom. Condom. Condom. Condom. Condom. Condom. Condom. Condom. Condom. Condom.

That is an insane scene. That happens in the movie. What? It does. It goes to English as a second language for a moment, which is like condom. And then they chant it. It's so weird. Well, I guess it is a theme in a lot of these teen movies, though, just the parents and adults being so disconnected from what kids know.

But it almost seemed like they learned condom in that moment. Like it was like they were learning it too. Like you're teaching a gorilla. Yeah, even though they knew all of the words for dicks. Yeah. Right. Condom was it. Condom. You might know 25 rhyming words for dicks, but I bet you don't know what a condom is. Well, it started to feel like reproduction from Grease 2. Which is a great number. Great scene. Yeah.

I believe that they shot more of a musical number for this and then realized is it an exact replica of Grease 2 and had to cut it down. That makes sense. Yeah. I want to talk about

The number of chairs that were in her bedroom. Okay. Or the lack of. Well, they were in the closet and we did see how many chairs were in there. Oh, but there was a reason. Yes, of course there was a reason. Well, because every single family member who came in commented on the fact that there were no chairs there. This is a girl's bedroom.

chairs do you think she would need in a bedroom? I guess you're right. There were chairs stacked upon chairs stacked upon chairs. But do you know the reason was I know the reason, Jason. She wanted him on the bed. She had to get him on the bed for this bell to work. That's not my problem. How many chairs does one even have in a bedroom? One at the vanity.

At the most. One pass of vanity, and that's it. June, how many chairs do we have in our bedroom? Zero. Exactly. Jason, how many chairs do you have in your bedroom? Six. You have six chairs? Six chairs in my bedroom. Wow. Most of them just are surrounding the poker table. Oh, yeah. I have a poker table in my bedroom. Off to the side of the bed. Very cheerful. Just because a bunch of guys play poker there most nights.

And you go about your business. You don't play poker. I don't play poker. I'm not a gambler. They're not ghosts that lived in the house before when Burntown used to be a house of ill repute, right? I don't know. All right. I won't get into it. Your house was actually famous for being a whorehouse gambling establishment in the early 1920s. Burntown and a lot of people who were gambling died. Yeah. And if you set a table, they will come and they will play. Let's not worry about it. Let's not worry about it. All right. All right.

So six chairs. Yeah, they all are obsessed with the chairs in her room. And where they went. She's got a lot of room there. I mean, you need to put six chairs in the closet. That's a big closet. To put six wicker chairs in the closet. I mean, those chairs must have just, there must have been one chair in her vanity, and then five chairs just spread about. Spread about. That bedroom spread about. Just for guests.

And why was he so opposed to sitting on her bed? He was really. Well, to me, if I were him, I would have been like, well, let's, why are we go, like, let's go downstairs. I would have been like, why are we going to your bedroom? Yeah.

Well, I mean, don't you think that he kind of would like to get in her bedroom? Not at that point, no. Really? He wasn't seeing her any kind of way at that point. Yeah, not at that point. All right. I hear you. So animals were harmed in making this movie, right? We could all agree on that. When they forcibly take a dog and try to throw it into the bathtub. Yep. That dog was not trained and did not seem like he wanted to be there at all. Like that dog was. That actually made me feel bad for a dog. Dogs never want to be there.

You're saying that as though, yeah, like they're psyched to be there. Some dogs like Benji are excited to get out in the movie world and do his stuff. Benji at Marine Land, he got in his own thing. Well, Benji is notoriously very ambitious. Yes. Not like a Milo from Milo and Otis only probably did like one film. Benji was like in it to win it. Like this dog definitely didn't have the eye of the tiger at all. No.

Not at all. No, I mean, he didn't. And that's a bummer when you have a dog like that take away parts from dogs who really want to be working. I mean, just think of how many dogs didn't get jobs that year. Yeah, and it's because, you know, if you're not giving it your all as a dog, as an acting dog, it's like, then don't. Then leave it open for everybody else. It's not fair. It's not fair. Were those bubbles...

Just there prior to her turning her brother into a dog? Is that the deal? Well, listen, she came home from school. He was eating a giant pizza at the table with marshmallows. The only conclusion. It was marshmallows? I thought it was giant pieces of mozzarella. I believe they were marshmallows. I think you're way smarter than me. The only conclusion I could come to is that he had set a bath for himself. Oh, and she knew it was ready to go? Nope. There is no way that.

that kid takes baths. Oh, he's disgusting. He's disgusting. I feel like they have to trick him into getting in the backyard so they can hose him down. Yeah, he's like that kind of kid. He's a gross kid. I want to know how old he was, the actor was, when doing this part. Well, he is 70. He is 40. 70 years old right now. He's 40. He's 42.

Currently. Currently. And he graduated from Yale and he sold a show. He's a writer. He's so great. Yeah, he is. Let's see. He's done a lot of interesting stuff. He is a writer, graduated from Yale, wrote a few novels, got a series picked up by Fox called Howl.

And he's a part of Leonardo DiCaprio's posse, affectionately called the Pussy Posse. He's part of the Pussy Posse? Whoa, that's interesting. The kid from Teen Witch is part of the Pussy Posse? Yep. Wow! Yeah, he's part of the Pussy Posse, and here he is. I feel like I've seen him before, definitely. Yeah.

I mean, we're looking at a picture from here. It looks great. Shirtless with a martini glass in front of him, smoking a cigarette, hair growing out. I love that June goes, he looks great. I think this guy's amazing. He said that he really did not like this movie or being associated with this movie until a drag queen told him how much he

It meant to him. And then he said that, I don't take compliments from drag queens lightly because they have no problem telling you what time it is. There's no fucking bullshit with drag queens. So that made him kind of enjoy the movie now. But a very attractive guy. His performance is, to me, in my life, legendary. It is. He's been in a lot of different good stuff. You think you're special because you went to a dance. His line readings are...

Are huge. So perfect. So good. It's almost like the director was just like, have fun and do your whole thing. Can you imagine if you're casting this movie and this guy walks in and does that with these words? Right. Like a 1940s gangster is walked in. You're like, thank God.

Well, don't you think that they were like, oh, shit, this movie doesn't really have humor. Like, if you took him out, there's no jokes in this movie. Where, like, John Hughes had jokes and characters that were funny. Everybody here is kind of sad. Like, ultimately a sad sack. A sad sack. Yeah, the mom could have used a little brother in her performance. Like, the mom was just so. A lot of people could. Yes, totally.

Shall we get into Top That? Sure. The first ever rap battle on film. I'm calling it and saying it's the first ever rap battle on film. Let's take a listen to the classic Top That. I'm king, if they know it. When I snap my fingers and these bodies say sure. I'm hot, and you're not. If you want to hang with me, I'll give it one shot. I'm an idiotic, disconnected, not respected. Who would ever really want to go in such a waste of pretty face space? I wish that you would take a look. We'll stop that.

And then she walks away from the kids that she likes, seemingly to never have another connection with him again. She just needed to top that. Well, because she's also under like one of Louise's spells.

Right. She's not a rapper. She's like, they're looking at them rapping, and then Louise kind of gives her a little, like, bewitched, like, no. But she's like, I wish I could get in there. Yeah. And Louise gives her a little spell so that she can, like, top that. Now that you two relate to the movie Deanna and Jason, were kids doing this in high school at the time, just rapping by cars and by lockers? I will say not rapping, but for sure breakdancing.

Okay. For sure, there was a lot of breakdancing in the hallways of school. That, and I might have participated. Oh, my God. Picks, please. 100%. Picks, please. June used to always bust my chops about my blossom. You were hot. No, I was hot.

I was hats all day long. But like later on in life, she would go up to people like we just have met someone. Maybe I was trying to make an impression. And she would say to them, Deanna used to dress like a grandma in high school. I was like, OK, awesome.

But like I was hats and that move when she slowly took the hat down, like that's everything I wanted to do. That's everything I wanted to be. Show everybody what's under that hat. Just show everybody what's under that hat. I would wear a hat and a tie and a vest and a jacket. You'd be accessorized from head to toe.

What I love about the scene when the Teen Witch put on her, like, jean jacket, it was a jean jacket with, like, a swatch of rug. Yes. Like a rug that you would see. Here's the interesting thing, because to me that's very Molly Ringwald in Pretty in Pink. Like, that look we all saw and considered, like, beautiful. Yeah. But that is what Louise Guzman is giving us in the beginning of this movie is Molly Ringwald, which was – Cool. Yeah.

Which, well, sort of. She's giving us a little bit of that, but she's giving us the frumpier version of it. Yeah, right. You know, and then when she gets into full-on side pony and neon stuff and miniskirts. Then it's like. Then she's giving us. More of the 80s kind of, or more of the newer thing, or 90s? More of like, I'm trying to think of who the character is that.

it, but like... She's in more Valley Girl mall, like that kind of thing. Yeah, that kind of girl. The girl from Some Kind of Wonderful, the blonde who was in the Untamed Heart movie with Christian Slater, like Mary... Not Mary Stewart Masterson. I don't know.

No, because Mary Stewart Masterson is a tomboy. She's wearing like overalls. Oh, yeah. And hats. And plays the drums. And you know that that movie was an answer movie because they shot Pretty in Pink where in Molly Ringwald ends up with Ducky at the end. Oh, right. And audiences, young girl audiences revolted. I know. It's one of the most devastating. And we're like, we want her to end up with Ducky.

I know. So they had to redo the movie to end up with Blaine. And then John Hughes was like, you know what? I don't like it. I'm going to make a different movie where the right two people end up and it is some kind of wonderful. Maybe Valley Girl? That's so interesting because watching Pretty in Pink, to me at the end of that movie, and it is interesting that most young girls felt that way because I could never shake feeling so sorry for Ducky. Oh, my God. I was so devastated.

As a dude, it was demolished. I'm not sure as a guy, but like I couldn't ever get over that Ducky and her were not going to be together. Yeah. Well, didn't they want to make it like that he was gay? Isn't that the new telling of it? Like he doesn't belong. Yes, he doesn't belong with her because he's gay. I don't think so only because their intention was not that. They shot it so that they would be together.

And then had to reshoot the whole, they had to do a month of reshoots to unravel it and figure out how to make it work. But it really was, to me, I was like, wait, the Richie Rich Handsome guys win? Are you kidding? Crazy. Is there any hope for us fedora wearing blazer wearing breakdancers? Breakdancers? Before we wrap up, I do think that there's one thing that we haven't talked about, and I feel like no one's mentioned to me about this movie, but

the murder house that he brings her to fuck her. Or kiss her, essentially, which was the most uncomfortable scene for me. Can we just even unpack this choice? He takes her out on this date, brings her into the park to an abandoned house. He also runs up ahead and she's fighting through sunflowers. She had to try to get there and it's really hilly.

And it's so...

It's bizarre, right? I mean, like, what's sexual about that house? Well, I get it. I get it, too. Really? Yeah, I got it on a level. Did you have those places? I didn't have any action in high school. So there was a bridge. Would you know the bridge? And yeah, that people went to and drank. And I never really went to the bridge, but I knew it was there. So I felt like this house was just like the house that everyone went to make out. It wasn't like his idea. Yeah.

He's just following what everybody calls it. And I also don't think it's a rape house. I think it's like, oh, there's a secret place in a field of sunflowers that is an abandoned place where we can go and be alone. But when they take off her shoes. You have to remember, in high school, you can't go anywhere. Right, I guess. But to me, it's like when she takes off her shoes and you see that carpet. And it looks like, oh, this was a murder house. I agree with that. And she's walking up these stairs. Yeah.

And she's like, in this unfinished room, it does look like this could turn out very wrong. Sure, for sure. And it doesn't feel super romantic until they get into that...

The thing that's another bothersome thing for me is too intimate of a kiss. It's too gentle for me. Hope doesn't like it. I don't like it. Really? When he sees sincere, gentle lovemaking on film, it literally drives him nuts. It's also gross when it's also gross. I mean, this is weird, but it's also gross when teenagers...

Kiss gently like adults. Yes. You know what I mean? Because forgive me. I agree too actually. But teenagers should be like devouring each other. Yes. You know like that is like when you read, when you see and hear all of her poetry about him like just owning her or whatever. Right.

Then you see them just like tender kisses. Braces should be clanking. It's tender. It's tender and that's what was upsetting about it. I was upset. I was fine with the house. I was upset with his sexy hide and seek game because I thought he was hot until that. Until that scene because he was presenting his body like it was a gift from the gods.

Well, when he's throwing those footballs, his bod is pretty rad. Don't get me wrong, but I'm not into a guy presenting his figure and doing a striptease for me. Paul? No. June, you don't seem to mind it when I show you my two-pack. No, I don't like that. And I don't like a guy who's cheeky. I would love for you guys at some point to, like, Paul runs ahead and is, like, stripping off his jacket. Well, he was being cheeky.

Hey, I have a deep V on under this. Yeah. Like she should have been running up the stairs and he should be like, they flip the role. They did flip the role. Like he, he should have been like, Hey, what's oh, Hey, like, you know, she should have been presenting herself, but it was, it was,

Very weird. Take me. And then that long, it was too, we hung on it too long. I agree. Oh, boy, oh, boy. And the fact that she wasn't even for one second concerned about like a tetanus situation with shoes off. Put those shoes back on. She should have kept those. Keep those boots on. Ironically, she should have taken the shoes off walking outside in the grass. Yes. And put them on inside on the floor. Come on, guys. Yes.

Obviously, we had an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there that had a different opinion. It is now time for Second Opinions. Second Opinions.

All right. These are five-star reviews cold from Amazon, all about the film Teen Witch.

This is from J Dub and simply written like this. Teen Witch is the most magical movie of all time. I watch it three times a day, sometimes four on the weekends. Five stars. Which obviously they're not being truthful, but it is odd. This one's written by Stephanie May.

Maybe I love this movie because I was the fat, lonely girl who had crushes on all the cute guys, but they didn't even know I was alive. So I guess this movie was my wish. I can't wait for it to be out on DVD. And I watched today thinking back to that time and smiling that I overcame that awkwardness and found my great guy, me being fat or not. But at that time in my life, I thought the only way I was going to ever get a cute guy to like me was to get handed some magical powers. LOL. But seriously, five stars. And then finally, this is by Terriel.

I'm 53 years old, and I like most things that have to do with Halloween. The movie Teen Witch is one of my favorite classical movies. I would recommend it to anyone at any age who's looking to see what it's like to be popular, being popular, and then wanting your original life back as it was. Great movie. Here's the thing, which we didn't even really discuss. She doesn't ever... She does give up her powers. Ish. Ish. She throws off the amulet, but...

The what? She never, her necklace. You said it. Amulet. Amulet. How do you pronounce it? I don't know. Amulet. Amulet. Oh, God, here we go. Amulet. Tell me how you pronounce that hotel chain. Uh-oh. Ramada? Oh, now you do it right. Oh, Ramada. Amulet. Ramada.

She's like, I think we got a nice hotel at the Ramada. Oh, my God. When June first moved to L.A., she called it Sepulveda. Like, it was a crazy. I think everybody did. Sepulveda. But she never does anything crazy.

to woo him back as herself. So she just shows up at the dance and is just herself and he's into it. But nothing is... Yeah, it was a total... I mean, look, nothing changed. She didn't go back to a different outfit. She's already cool. Nobody can take that from her. So nothing changed. She doesn't have like a fall from grace.

Well, that is Teen Witch. You can watch it on Netflix. You can read more about it on slashfilm.com. Blake Harris got deep with the writer, director, and some great stories there. Deanna, talk to us about your podcast. Tell us about it and where they can find it. Well, thank you so much for having me. This was really important for me to have seen this movie. You know, I don't like movies in general. Yes, Deanna is anti-movie. I mean, you know, whatever. But I needed this. I once asked Deanna.

Deanna has told me she does not like movies. I don't have the strength for them. But this was important. Just explain it a little bit more. I don't have the strength to be disappointed. It's like I can sit and watch as much trash TV as you want to throw my way. But if I'm going to commit to a two-hour movie, I have a lot of expectations. And I want too much probably. And this delivered, so thank you. Okay, great, great.

What was one movie that you felt did not deliver? Recently. Steve Jobs.

Disappointed. But you would say that 90% of the time you are disappointed by a film. But you're perfectly satisfied with like back-to-back episodes of House Hunters International? Yeah. I mean real housewives. But yeah. Or a two-hour episode of The Bachelor. Sure. Okay. Thrilled. So it's not about the time management. No. It's about the expectations. It's about my expectations being really too high probably. Okay. You know, and I want a lot. Is there any way to lower them?

This is going five years probably that I've felt this way. So this is the first movie you've seen in five years. This isn't the first movie, but... She doesn't see movies. I don't step out and see movies unless somebody... The Steve Jobs I watched with my dad. It's only if I...

So this was important. I loved every second of it. I will watch this movie again. Oh, wow. As a non-movie watcher, that's probably the highest compliment. As a person who doesn't like movies, that is really high praise. OMFG, we interview people under 25 and try to stay hip and cool by what they teach us. This is one of my favorite ones because it's fascinating because I even think, oh, I'm up on enough stuff. But then when you talk to people under 25, you realize –

How far away you are from everything. Well, and I will say when we're talking about John Hughes films, like, they were so meaningful to all of us for so many reasons. But, like, what do kids have now to watch? Like, they don't have those movies.

Nope, they have DJ Khaled on Snapchat. Like, how did they even learn how to be? Yeah, or like, you know, I mean, Molly Ringwald was just so important to me. Oh, yeah. And I love— She's important. Well, now a guy who does family guy impressions is probably the new kind of— Or PewDiePie. PewDiePie. Something about watching this and seeing the fashions and how people were experiencing life, it's like nothing was ironic. Yeah.

Everyone's dead ass. And I miss that and I feel bad for kids because they don't have that today. Well, my question is what are we going to look back on right now in this moment and go, ooh, we wore that? I think that we've actually as a society kind of conserved ourselves. I think you're wrong. We just don't know. Tattoos and everything Kylie Jenner does.

Yeah, I think 10, 15 years from now, people being covered in tattoos will be hilarious. Oh, yes. I'm like so excited for it. I cannot wait. People are going to be like, look at this. Remember when people just did this to themselves? There's no way that that's not going to happen because it's a trend. Absolutely.

And it's crazy. There's a great comic book, Brian K. Vaughn comic book called Private Eye that takes place in a very near future where our generation are the grandparents. So all the old people have full sleeve tattoos and are like, look ridiculous. I guess I don't notice it as a trend. Like in my mind, it's just like, oh, some people have tats and some people don't. Because there's people now that have tattoos that when you were younger in a million, only like bikers.

- Exactly. - I guess that's true. - It's just that I like tattoos. - And people who are in the army,

Yeah, it was like that kind of stuff. It's now just ubiquitous. Now it's like people are having like Stewie. Like Luis Guzman would have tattoos. Already, like you can look at it in terms of trends even within tattoos. Like a tramp stamp is now an embarrassing tattoo to have, right? Versus like it couldn't have been more like hip and cool to have a tramp stamp at the beginning of that, blah, blah, blah. So now, like how long before...

All tattoos are. I mean, this is meaningful to me as someone who's always debated getting a tattoo. Yeah. Well, at my wedding in November, two of my girlfriends from college, we were laughing. They're in formal dresses, and they both have that, like, Pamela Anderson barbed wire tattoo around their arm because that was the tribal stupid thing. And they're horrified by it. Ugh.

That's what it was. I also think in like five, ten years, there'll be a way to like one time go and just have a tattoo just like removed. But June's tattoo that she wants is on her arm and it says got balls. Like it's like milk. Yeah. But it's like a picture of like two testicles. I think that will stay in the testicles. No, it won't. Like truck nuts.

What's truck nuts? Truck nuts is like when you hang off the back of the back of the truck and they look like two thing of balls. It looks like a little scrotum with balls. Roger that. Jason, what do you want to tell America? When does this come out, Paul? Today. Tonight, I will be on a television show called Brooklyn 99, I think it's called. No, Brooklyn 99. I'm on the next four episodes. Check it out. It's very funny. June, Diane. That's great.

I don't really have anything to plug, but I will plug Grace and Frankie. That's on the first seasons on Netflix and the second season comes out May 6th. Wow. That sounds very exciting. And I just said that only to stall for my own thought about I didn't have anything to plug. I don't think I have anything to plug, but I will tell. It seemed like you were genuinely hearing that. Oh, I'll also say, if you want to watch me make out with Alison Brie, go watch How to Be Single. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, of course.

I haven't seen it yet, but I can't wait to. You know what? I don't have anything to plug specifically, but I'll tell you this much. Listen to the mini episodes. They're new, they're improved, and we listen to you. That's right. We have a whole section of the mini episodes devoted to things that we might have missed or things we got plain wrong.

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