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We're talking about a movie tonight. The year is 1991, and Steve used to have a preference for blondes. Then Steve was murdered and came back as one. Will being a woman make him a better man? That's the premise of this movie. Someone is murdered for simply being promiscuous and then is forced to come back as a woman to see if any...

Women would like it? I don't know. It's confusing when you actually stop and think about it. All you need to know is that Ellen Barkin is playing a man with a New York accent. We'll get into all of that, but to break this movie down properly, I need my two co-hosts. Please welcome to the stage Mr. Jason Manzoukas! What's up, jerk? What's up, Boston? What's up, Boston?

That's what I'm talking about! These balconies are the best balconies in the biz, baby! Yeah! Fuck New York! Fuck New York! New York! Fuck New York! That's what I'm talking about. I'm already exhausted. Already exhausted. Jason... Paul! This is a...

video box that I saw as a kid. Obsessed. Always, right? Obsessed with this video box as a child in video stores, looking at it like, this is sex. It was...

Ellen Barkin, pants down, hanging from a gun barrel. No, is she pants down or is she no pants? Pants are around her ankles. Yep, yep, yep. And she's in clearly a man's shirt and tie. I didn't know what it was about, but it seemed very sexy. And it makes the gun seem so much more important to the story. Yes.

It felt like this was a crime story instead of what it is, which is a question mark unclear story. I will say that I was shocked when I hit play on my Apple iTunes and it said flex and it said a drama.

Did he really? A drama. Wow. I was like, huh. I didn't realize this was a drama. Paul, when you, because we've got Jimmy Smits here. When you pictured this movie. Yes. Not Jimmy Smits, but did you have in your mind anybody else for the male lead? Who is Riptide's Perry King. Yes. Give it up for Riptide. The old people here.

Riptide, one of the greats. I swear, and it's just because she was in another movie with him, that this movie starred Dennis Quaid. Oh, interesting. No, I... But that's the big easy with Ellen Barkin and Dennis Quaid. Another hit. Also so sexy. Very sexy. This movie decidedly not too sexy. Disagree? We'll get into it. And we have to get into it with our next co-host. Please welcome to the stage Miss June Diane Raphael.

Hello, June. How are you? I'm okay. How are you, Paul? I'm doing well. Thank you so much for asking. June, you were watching Switch about 30 minutes behind me. We were both on an airplane. And again, we are on some sort of federal list, some FAA watch list, and we should be. Yeah. Well, so am I, but it has nothing to do with what I'm watching on the plane.

And I know we've said this before, but it is, you know, we fly economy and, you know, sometimes main cabin plus, sometimes not. And I can only imagine what it's like to sit behind us and see two people watching the movie Switch, not at the same time, not on the same computer, on different computers. And one of the, and both furiously taking notes.

Underlining, circling. Imagine the stories the people right around you are telling. Get this. Do you remember the movie Switch?

I saw not one, two people watching it. They were taking notes on it, like they were writing an article, and they had kids. They had children. And they were watching the movie Switch with their kids. And here's the only part of that that won't make sense. No one knows what Switch is. So when you open it and the first scene is a bunch of women seemingly naked in a hot tub, it seems way more creepy. Like...

There is no Alan Barkin. There's no Jimmy Smits at that point. You're just seeing Jo Beth Williams and a bunch of people that you may or may not recognize. And it seems weird that I'm like, bloop.

Watching a hot tub movie. And then not ten minutes later, I start it up to watch the same scene. It's just very odd. As if you saw Paul watching it. As if you saw Paul watching it. It's like, that's a great idea. Let me get into this. And I also will take notes.

We've got a cross-country flight. That's a perfect idea. Well, June, there is one person who flew across the country to watch Switch with us. A How Did This Get Made all-star in her own right, co-host of the podcast Deep Dive. Please welcome Jessica St. Clair. Hello. Hello, friends.

Jess, welcome to the show. I want to ask you your connection to Switch. Did you also remember this video box from the video store? I didn't jerk off to this video box, no. Your loss. But I'm going to tell you, when I saw this, just the still of it, I thought, oh, thank God, no trash can fires, no aliens, no Mario Lopez. Yeah.

I'm looking forward to a rom-com. And that's when I invited my parents to this show. Oh, no. My elderly parents. I'm sure they love being referred to themselves in that way. They're going to get scarce in a second, but...

Once I saw the hot tub scene, I then quickly called my father and said, you're no longer invited. Because I knew that it would be an hour and a half of Jason saying penis, dick, dick thing. You are saying it now. You're the only one saying it. You're the only one saying it. You can go fuck my face. Remember when those girls. Madam. Okay. That is, that, you are projecting this.

By the way, I have done... Because the only person your father has heard say those words now are you and your daughter. I will say I have done this show with Jason for 12 years. I've never heard him use the term fuck my face. Not yet. Nor do I think I would. Not yet.

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For free. Terms and conditions apply. Now that opening scene, which I kind of watched on a plane with strangers, I loved. The hot tub scene? The hot tub scene was amazing. I want to say amazing. Is this why...

The way that these women dress in this film is what you dream of for both you and me to wear every single day. Here's what I'm going to say. Here's what I'm going to say. Every woman in this movie looks dumb.

dynamite. Thank you. We should be wearing those clothes. T2B from the top to the bottom, from the hairstyles to the outfits. To the chandelier earrings. To the chandeliers. Absolutely. Joe Beth Williams wearing one of those indoor hats. JPW.

She's a lady of the 80, even though this is a 91. She's amazing. I do want to call attention to one part of the hot tub scene. We'll break down the whole movie, but the hot tub scene has the best ADR of trying to be sexy. So I wanted just to play the hot tub scene and just listen to all the ADR. That's the additional voice recording. Clearly, after the movie, you're like, oh, we need to sex this up, and you will see how they did it.

Hey, Margo, looking good there. Woohoo! Margo, sexy! Unbelievable. Slick, you had something else. Woohoo! Come on, Margo, it's my turn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm sitting here with three beautiful women who said they hated me. I got them in your email. We still hate you. We decided you should be punished for the way you treat women. Oh, yeah. Men like you just have to be stopped. And how are you going to stop me?

We're going to kill you. So that is... Love it. That is the opening scene, which looks to me like they are in a pot, like a cauldron.

It is so much steam is coming off of that hot tub. It is that they're burning themselves alive. It's a little hocus pocus, that's for sure. Well, I thought, are these women witches? Because there are a bunch of them. Yes. Okay. Anytime we see three women together, we must think they're witches. Oh, wait a second. If we are whores,

It's Jessica. The patriarchy! Jessica! If there were one more woman on this stage, we would be witches. We just would be. But it's so interesting, Paul, because when Paul and I, right before we were about to leave, we were talking about the movie a little bit because I put it back on because I wanted to see the beginning again. And Paul said, I just, honestly, I just wish they were witches. Yes.

And I was like, what? And he was like, I just wish they were witches. Well, can I? Please. I agree 100%. You wish they were witches. Because the movies predicated on a bit of magical realism. Yes. And wouldn't it be better if they weren't murderers who murder a man for being a womanizer. For being promiscuous. They murder him.

Wouldn't it be better if they taught him a lesson by putting a switcheroo on? I thought it was an interesting concept because it would be like, they need to have some magic here. And that would be a fun twist. And I'd also argue that the one thing that's not acknowledged at all is his ex-girlfriend's like, hey, come over to my house tonight. We're going to have a party. And then he sees two of his other girlfriends together.

And he's A, fine with that, and kisses all of them. So were they a thruple? And if that, they were. I think it would be quadruple. There you go, right. So I was confused even about what the plan was. Were they always hanging out as a... No, their plan worked. They murdered him. Yes, but when it gets in the door... They murdered him, and then God? God?

This movie has... This is a faith-based movie? I think this is a prequel to the child trafficking movie that's going so bananas right now.

This is clear. So then he's in limbo or purgatory and he's given a chance to go back and like God speaks to him and the devil visits him later when he's Ellen Barkin. This is some nuts level stuff that would be much better if they were just witches. But I don't know. This is what they wanted. But here's the thing. So...

I hate to jump to so much later in the movie, but when we find out that Jimmy Smits is a rapist... Oof. That's a real oof. It's certainly a tough pill to swallow. It sure is. And boy, do they try to make their way around it. But at the end of the day, he's a rapist. Okay, so that's a period. Excuse me. That gets a period. Period.

That gets a period on the end of that statement. Period. Which, by the way, she was about to get, which is why she got knocked up. I do wish she had gotten her period. But that's why, by the time the movie ends, I'm like, oh, they absolutely should have murdered this guy. Because if Jimmy Smits is a rapist who's probably the nicest man we see in the movie,

And we know that our barometer for masculinity and for what's acceptable is Jimmy Smith, who is a rapist. Then I'm like, yeah. No, this is a movie about murderers and rapists. All of the protagonists are either guilty of murder or rape. This is a movie that flirts with two best friends fucking and they couldn't pull the trigger. It would have been so much better if they just fucked because they want to. I mean, that

Because they want to. I have a question. Did anybody else think that somehow, and this is not in the movie, to be clear. This is not in it. But I, initially when I was watching it, I was like, oh. Because remember when the devil comes to Ellen Barkin and says, we should have a baby like Rosemary's baby, blah, blah, blah. I thought the Jimmy Smith's pregnancy thing was cover for the devil giving her a Rosemary's baby. Did anybody else think that?

Because you thought when she collapsed on the pillow saying, like, I have my period, you thought then that devil with the mid-Atlantic accent fucked her from behind? I don't think it's a mid-Atlantic accent. I would say it's a straight-up British accent. No, it goes in and out. It comes and goes. Can we play the clip, The Devil's Plan? Tell me if this is mid-Atlantic or British. This is The Devil's Plan. This is straight-up a Baltimore accent.

Excuse me? Yes? I wish to lodge a complaint. What is it this time? I have as much right to Steve Brooks' soul as you do. That's why I sent him back. He sounds like Matthew McConaughey. That's the British man! No, he is not! That's not a fair test. He'll pick some helpless, unsuspecting female. Pretend to be everything he's not.

In the end, she'll adore him. Mid-Atlantic by applause? British. I'm comfortable with neither. He is in and out.

I don't know what this guy's up to, but once again, this movie, the two, like the voice of God or the angel or whatever, the light. The man and woman voice of God. There are two voices. Okay, so those voices and then the physical representation of the devil should have so much more impact on the events of this movie

Yes. You know, because they're the ones setting it in motion like the rich guys in trading places. But they don't even reveal the plan. Like, at least in a movie like Brewster's Million, like, you have five days to spend a million dollars. Like, I don't think that anyone ever tells Ellen Barkin the plan. Like, oh, no one ever says, oh, you are back on this earth to find someone who loves you. She kind of pieces it together. No, she does get told. I think somebody

says to her... Mid-movie. Like an hour in. Like she is living as a woman. I do think you're right that this movie is rudderless. It is... It has no... It's unmoored. It is like... You can't... Because her plan... Because a number of times watching the movie, I was like, what is she trying to do again? And...

And it seems that to find a woman who will love her, which of course ends up being her own daughter. For a split second. For a split second. Literally a fetus that's produced. Like you couldn't get any more fresh baby. And like, got it. Ding. Like that's unfair. Right.

That's an unfair love, and that's a failure. Like, if he genuinely loved the baby, that would be a win, I guess. But that's, like, instantaneous. That's not a win. I don't think that that's a win. I teared up. Obviously, I did, too. I cried hysterically. I hate myself. Yeah, I cried hysterically. I'm a woman. I hate myself.

But at the same time, I was like, oh, because her pursuing her objective in the movie, Ellen Barkin, which is to find a woman who genuinely likes her or loves her, the only way she does that is to call up people in the past, right?

Which is so odd because she already knows, Steve already knows... That they hate her. That they all hate her. So it's a tough sell. It's a shortcut. Like, Steve, to track Steve's progression, you would think he's a straight-up fucking moron. And the movie works, I think the movie works as well as it does...

Simply on the shoulders of Ellen Barkin doing, I think, phenomenal work. Oh, she's amazing. I mean, I will say. Were it not for this incredible physical performance, this broad, funny performance, this movie would be a hate crime.

I will say, though, they go to the well of the heels. Too much. Too much. Too much. Get used to it. Disagree. I thought it was funny. I wrote it in my thing. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I felt seasick. It was as rudderless as her balance, the film. I even wrote, I wrote, she's doing so much, period. I love it.

Listen, she's so charming and those bangs are going to get you far. You know, they're going to get you real far. But I was like, the fact that we are presented with a movie that is telling us the learning curve of walking in heels is 50 days? Like, you must spend

Three months? Or get a pair of flats. Why not get flats? Looks like a pup, feels like a sneaker. It's available in 1991. For a movie that is trying to show what would it be like if a man became a woman, the only gag they have is like, it must be hard to walk in high heels.

Like, they don't deal with peeing. They don't deal with a period. They don't deal with running, I guess. Now, they did deal with running with a bra, and I did laugh. You know, I thought that was funny. Wait, now let me ask you this, because I agree with you, Jason. Like, Ellen Barkin is very good in this, but I remember a story, like, when Tom Hanks did Big. He's like, oh, I hung out with this kid, and I took all of his mannerisms, and I really was able to figure out what, you know, this kid is so I could be the bigger Josh Baskin.

It feels to me like Ellen Barkin never met Steve or watched any dailies of Steve because Ellen Barkin is like, hey, I'm a New Yorker. He's doing like an Al Pacino. Yeah. I'm like, who is this guy that you've become? It's as if she is like, was turned into that from a taxi cab driver. Okay, but here's what's so weird about the movie. This is where the movie gets crazy. Incredible.

So I think we're in for a switch. The title. A classic switch, yeah. But that's not even a switch. Well, yeah, but it's also the fact that this movie dives into homosexuality and her not being able in a woman's body to be attracted to another woman, even though she is attracted to that woman, but there is a block of some sort that doesn't want to have sex with a man. I think that block is homophobia. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay, is it though? I thought... But he's a man. He's a man in a woman's body. Right. You would think, oh my gosh, this would be a great thing for me to explore because I never got to do that. Right. When...

No, but he is. No, but that's what's weird about him. Steve as a man is a homophobic. The movie can't go there because Steve is a homophobe regardless of his gender. So he doesn't even, but he's not even attracted. So it's like he can't eat.

All right. So he can't even be attracted to a beautiful woman who wants to fuck him because he knows that mentally she only wants to fuck a woman? That's right. Here's the thing. The minute. Wow. The minute I realize I've got tits and a vagina, I am jerking off hard. The minute. By the way, a funny scene. I'm like, what is this? Any opportunity I get, I'm going nutso magutso. On yourself? Wow.

On myself. On yourself. On myself and then figuring it out with everybody else. Absolutely. Figuring it out. Okay. I'm going to be like, fuck my face. I knew it was coming. I will say this. I will say that this movie is rudderless and unmoored for the first 43 minutes or longer. But there's a part of it where I'm like, is the premise of this movie that the only good woman is a man?

Because... Hold on. The only good woman is a man. I don't think so, because the movie goes out of its way to make sure you know every single man in the movie is full stop unredeemable. But every man is a piece of shit. But she never...

experiences any hardship as a woman because whenever a man is a piece of shit, she's like, fuck you. Bam. She punches him in the face. Like, this whole turn, I think the idea of it should be like, oh my gosh, my good ideas aren't being taken. My this isn't happening. She would... Yes, it happens for a second. She says, oh...

that was my idea. And then the guy, and then she says to the boss, like, fuck you. That was my idea of you piece of shit. Like she never shows low status. Because what, what we want, what I wanted was to see her realize what it is to be a woman.

And to see her kind of understand what he has been doing to women and learn that. And it doesn't really happen because her response is just like, is so masculine and she's just like, oh, I'll just...

you know, punch this person that we never get that satisfying understanding. Now, the other, the thing that's a bummer about this movie is also you, you leave it feeling like, Oh wow. I guess the only way that men can realize like women are humans is to be in their body. But, but actually they can't even then. Right. No, because at Duke's, at Duke's, the hangout,

where everyone knows your name. But if you come in with a short haircut, they will be very upset. Okay? Just the haircut. I had that haircut senior year of college. Okay? You did not have that haircut. She had something very well for myself. I assure you, she did not have that haircut. Your haircut was arguably worse. Okay.

But she says in the only moment of self-reflection, she says, "You know what? Being a woman isn't half bad."

And that is like the only insight we get that it's not half bad. I feel like these kind of switcheroo movies, and it's usually people getting put into each other's bodies and having to walk a mile in their shoes, blah, blah, blah. This is not that because it's just a gender switch, but it's, there is, exactly to your point, there is no incremental learning. The only learning that gets done is by the third act, he can walk in the high heels.

That is the only growth. They missed a golden opportunity when she is identifying his body that she doesn't trip into the dead body when they pull the cadaver out. I'm like, that would have been a funny moment. But I will say that it seems like she really learns the most about being a woman when a stronger woman tries to have sex with her. And he's like, well, now I know. And then all of a sudden, he's quoting date rape facts. He's like, when did you learn that?

You didn't seem like you were learning any of this. That's exactly right. It's only in the very end that Steve seems to have any understanding of what's happening and a point of view from a woman's point of view that we have not seen get learned at all. We've only seen him be predatory and difficult, but in a woman's body.

I think the only thing he realizes is that a snaps beneath bodysuit is tough stuff. It is. I'm on the record. They should be illegal. I'm in one right now. This is a bodysuit. You know, I'm in one right now. She said that is the least sexy moment when Lorraine Bracco just says, unsnap it. Like, that's.

Made me feel sick. I don't know. I liked it. I will say... I didn't mind it. I liked that scene. I will say that there is a flaw in God's plan, which is, you'll hear her, I'll tell you. How dare you criticize God in Boston? The flaw in God's plan is simply this. Steve is shot three times. He is in the river dead. Where's Ellen Barkin from? Because Steve is brushing his teeth.

And then becomes Ellen Barkin. So this body just appeared. There's no switch. That body is still dead. It wasn't like they changed the body. Where was Ellen Barkin before this? Ellen Barkin is... Again, this would be better if they were witches. I'm totally seeing that. Because I'll be honest, God is fucking this up.

God is making a mistake to keep that man in the river, and it should have also been the devil who fished him out, but again, I won't get into all that. Could we also just talk, I'm sorry, we're all over the place. Paul, you need to get better control over this podcast. I think we're doing great. I just want to go back. We haven't even gotten to Jim J. Bullock and the parrot. Oh, shit. Oh, wow.

One of the most, the scariest, and I mean it, I was actually scared, is when he comes back to life and is coming after them. Oh, my God. Tied up. You mean when they fail at their premeditated desire to drown him. Yes. And then JoBeth Williams pulls a gun out and shoots him five times? Yeah. Three. Three. Three.

Thank you, June. Is it only three? It's only three. One bullet for each woman. That's still a lot. One bullet for each woman, so they all are guilty. That is a lot of murder from Joe Bethlehem. Here's what I will say. He deserved it. No! I disagree! I never once thought he deserved it. He did not deserve to be murdered. I disagree. I do think he deserved it. I do think he a thousand percent deserved it. And the reason why I know that again... Don't put us in a jury because he deserved it.

I do think he deserved it. And the reason why I do is because of what the movie has told me about his best friend who's arguably like a better guy than him. A man who doesn't even call it fucking. He says, make love. But I don't think Jimmy Smith deserves to be murdered. Okay. I agree. I don't know. He should be sent away. He should be sent away. Jimmy Smith has committed a crime in this movie. He's raising her daughter.

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Going back to that opening moment, when Steve is being drowned at the beginning of the movie, that's a violent scene. He's underwater for a long time. And then you feel in the movie like, okay, that man is dead.

The women get out of the hot tub. They're putting on robes. They're toweling off. One's smoking. Yeah. Time has passed. They are nervous. They're nervous. They are. But time has passed. And then all of a sudden. He starts. How does he. How does he rise up. He is dead. I mean. If he held his breath. I mean. And hearing him slosh around. Toward them. It was genuinely terrifying. It was scary. I will say though. To that scene.

Again, that hot tub scene. He's about to eat out one of those women. Okay. That's what's about to happen. June, our children are here. I'm sorry. They're gone. He's heading down and then they fucking drown him. I was like, this is the best thing I've ever seen. What a way to go. What a way to go. What a way to go.

I wish in college that we had done that for a scene study. Do you know? It's one of the best scenes I've ever seen. Right, June? It is unprecedented. It was surprising. It's very rare to be truly surprised. Yeah. And I was like, wow. I simply wasn't expecting that. The movie then should be about those three women.

And what happens to them? It shouldn't be about him having to go through a supernatural nonsense. It should be about them. And the next time we see them, it doesn't have to be in a limo eating a large tub of ice cream. I'm not talking about a pint. She is eating. That is a pink can. A two-gallon tub of unmarked commercial-grade ice cream. Industrial ice cream.

They are getting it. That is cafeteria style. That shit was wild. They stopped at E-Mac and Bolio's Boston reference, pulled out of nowhere. Where did that come from? The ice cream scene, it was such a reminder of the references of the early, like we were, there's so many movies where women are in a panic and in crisis and turn to ice cream.

And it is a trope of the early 90s, the late 80s. Meg Ryan is very 80s. I'm a chocolate-saurus kind of shirt. I'm heartbroken, freezer. Bonbons. All these things that I understood women to be as a child. Yes, and I do that as well. But here's the thing. So do I. So do I. Everybody eats ice cream when they're sad, right? I don't know. I don't.

men do in the way that I do. I'm lactose intolerant, so I eat an Italian ice. And I feel great about it. Because it's light. Because it's such low calories. I will say, one thing I'm really upset about, Paul, is that Paul is lactose intolerant, everyone. Okay? Where my lactose intolerance? Representation. No milk.

But our son, who you saw earlier, has taken on the identity of somebody who's allergic to dairy. And I'm like, you're not allergic to dairy. That's stolen valor. Stolen valor. It's so crazy. He's always asking me for a lactate. Dad, lactate. He's like, I'd love to have that, but do you have a lactate? And I'm like, you're fine.

And it's so strange. It's so strange. And it feels like both Paul and I are also like, we don't have the energy to withstand a day without a lactate. So we're constantly giving it to him. Not going to hurt anything. That's what you keep on saying, but I don't know. I'll let him carry my EpiPen. He would love that. By the way,

Another part of this movie that we probably won't get to, but I feel like I want to just explore with you at one point. Why? Are we wrapping up? No, I'm just saying. We can share it with them. Okay, I'll share it with you. One of the things that I really am fascinated by, and I was saying that we probably would get to it because it's not a natural thing to get to, is Ellen Barkin works at an advertising agency, and they are bad. Those

Those ads on the wall are bad. Like, when I look at it, it's like a wine glass against, like, clip art, and it's like wine. Or there's a computer. Like, they're in, like, the highest class ad agency, and every ad is disgusting. I could make that at home with, like, clip art. It was so shitty. Also, the boss, I thought, was Will Ferrell from The Sign. Yeah.

And I mean no disrespect. Tony Roberts. Tony Roberts, everybody. Classic Woody Allen. A dome. That hair was so insane. He looked like... And honestly, you don't see that hair on white men these days. You don't. Where did it go?

Where did it go? With like a skunk stripe? Where did it go? He's getting a perm. That's a perm. That's a perm? It's either a perm or this is a... I don't know that it's a perm, but it is definitely pre-moose and hair styling gel. Men didn't do stuff to their hair, I feel like, in this era very much. Wow. I think it might be... I remember my dad in the 80s coming home and he looked so stricken. And my mom's like, what happened? He's like...

You know, Jerry, he got a perm. And the guy walked in the office, hey fellas, and didn't mention it, but he had just like a kinky curly wave. That is upsetting. I once met a gentleman. Wait, that's upsetting? You gotta call it out. That reaches for you the level of upsetting if a guy gets a bad haircut. It's not a haircut. It's not a haircut!

I went to school with a kid who got a perm. Yeah, and it's weird. You've got to call it out. I also went... I also knew... I went to Swampscott High School right here. I would say 80% of the people had perms. Men too? Everybody had a perm. I feel like this is a small blip. Like there was a moment of like perms, mullets. Like there were things like feathering, um...

I remember I met a man who got a toupee just in the middle of the week. Yeah, that's work you're going to want to do over the weekend. You're going to want to do a Columbus Day weekend and come back with it. You can't walk in. That's a four-day weekend. Conversely, I also worked with somebody who lost a toupee in the middle of the week.

And then didn't want to, no one ever wants to address, you got to address it. If you wear a toupee, you've got to have a backup.

You can't live in a world where you don't have a backup to pay in case you lose it. No, he was like, now I'm done with this phase of my life. Oh, I see, I see, I see. To pay life. And you know what? I have to say, because I feel like women are in a time and living in an era, thank God, where we can put extensions in, weaves, all sorts of, all manner of things. We can wear a wig.

We could do all manner of thing. And it's this day, it's that day. Nobody's fact checking us. Nobody's worried about where that hair went. And, you know, I, and I wish that for men. I wish that they had that type of freedom. I agree. I wish I was less wig phobic for men.

You know, that's something that I didn't need to switch bodies to figure out. Well, do you? Yeah. About myself. Because here's the thing. I swear to God, if we were in a situation where we then went and spent time with a man who was in a wig, both of you would be like, what the fuck was that?

What the fuck was that? I... Respectfully, I disagree and I suspect a man wearing a wig would feel, June, to you the same as a man drinking tea. By the way, and I think you're right. I think that I am a part of the problem. That I have...

I have been breathing in the culture and I can no longer see it. I totally agree. I am a part of the problem. Agreed. But I want to dismantle that for myself. Me too. For my sons, you know, for everyone, really. I wish that for all of you.

That's beautiful speech, June. Thank you. A world in which everybody, no matter their gender, is just wearing a wig. Throw on some hair one day, take it off the next. That's right. God help us. God bless. God bless. Would you, would the first thing, I'm going to ask this to Jason, I'll come to you in a second. Would the first thing that you would do, Jason, if you became a woman, I know the first thing that you would do, but...

The second thing... Fuck your own face. I would be like, how does this work? Finally, I can figure it out. Would the second thing you do...

Be actively flirting with all of your friends because that's what Steve aggressively does on day one. He's like, you got a hard-on. Flirting with Jimmy Schmitz. Like, he is, like, is that funny to him? Because it also feels like that's creepy. Wait, sorry. The question is, would you, if I was, would I mess with my friends by flirting with them? Yeah. Yeah.

don't know that he's doing that as a goof i i almost feel like people are giving him the attention because he's now a beautiful woman that he is trying to he keeps trying to tell people who he is right but he also is kind i mean would you agree that he doesn't want jimmy smith to have a hard-on for him his best friend he doesn't want her to touch the no he does he wants he just keeps

calling it out. Every person that Ellen Barkin passes has an immediate erection, and that isn't her fault. That's just how it happens. Or she's calling them out for their shitty behavior towards women, i.e., hey, Tony Roberts, I know you have a secret apartment where you take the women, or to the building super? Yeah.

How does... Like, this movie exists in a world in which the men are constantly gifting the other men in their lives women. I gave you that redhead. Hey! I gave you that brunette. You remember? Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. And I'm like, this is the building super. But maybe it's... What the fuck is going on? I don't know. You tell me. In some ways, this movie is a post-apocalyptic movie. Go on. You know, it's...

That this is a dark web of men. And I don't know. I was alive in 1991. I wasn't, you know, in the advertising world. But if this is at all what things were like. Well, this is like, but this is similar to like the, the apocalypse.

apartment, the Billy Wilder movie, the apartment where all the executives have a, an apartment they go, they want to go to, to use for, for sex, you know, away from the, their wives, you know, this is, and this is, I feel like part and parcel of the same old boys nonsense that the movie should be attempting to dismantle, but it does not. And instead, yes, it,

That's exactly right. Instead of learning about what it is to be a woman, what Steve ends up doing is leveraging what it is to be a man in this world to protect herself. And keep being accused of you're acting like a man. The only good woman is a man is I think that the premise of this movie keeps on kind of putting, like, if only a woman was a man. Is that a lock line or is that what you just came up with?

No, I think that I was writing that down because this movie is like, I'll tell you how women will be better. If they had a man controlling them, then they would be better. But I will say this. We do get to see the other side when they go to the gay club restaurant. Whoa. Okay, okay, okay. Wait a second. Roughly the next, the rest of the show will be devoted to this scene. The rest of the show is only this. What?

By the way, I just want you to know this. Talking in this show has made my Apple Watch track energy. It's like you've done your rings. This show finished my rings on my Apple Watch. Okay.

Let me say something. You said you would love to have seen a whole movie about the witches. I would have loved to have seen an entire movie about whatever that space was. Okay? And also starring, starring the security guard, a woman named Nancy. Give me Nancy!

Where is Nancy's movie? Where is Nancy's movie? So Nancy, who's the woman at the end who steps in for Lorraine and is like trying to figure out if like, if this person's causing a problem.

I was like, first of all, is she a security guard? She looks like the bouncer. And she seems to know Lorraine Bracco from being at the club before, so I'm assuming it's either a friend or she works there, but it seemed like works there. Okay, because it did seem like she was also really integrated into the goings-on of that space. And I've never, you know, I've been to a few lesbian bars in my day, not to brag, but I've never seen,

Something like that. Something that is fully lit, fully lit. Brightest day. So many strands. Playing slow, slow big band music. And the clientele is all white femme women. Yes. Long strands of pearls. Period. Every couple is like feminists.

Femme Beyond. There's not a butch woman in the entire club. Can't find one. Won't find one. The aesthetic is very old school. Old Hollywood. They even start on the pictures on the wall. This movie came out in 1991. But this.

It's like a speakeasy. But in 1991... I know it's so secret to be gay. In New York? You have to knock twice. In 1991, every... Here's the thing. Every person, including everybody who made this movie, every person, everybody's homophobic. The movie is homophobic on every level, I think. That's right.

Is Jim J. Bullock playing into that or playing against it? Jim J. Bullock is repeatedly referred to with the F slur for a gay man, which is absolutely bananas. So insane. So casually. Even to his own answering machine. Does he call Jim J. Bullock and leave it on his own answering machine? But please, please.

Wouldn't it have been amazing? Wouldn't it have been amazing if when Jim J. Bullock, who is the psychic that the character goes to to seek advice, if the psychic reading was given through the mouth of his parrot, why isn't the spirit... There's a parrot there. They keep cutting to the parrot like it's a character in the movie. I kept expecting it to talk. Wouldn't it have been great if the parrot was the voice of the spirit? Wouldn't it have been great?

You know what? Come on! He had, his spirit guide had accent problems. That was a problematic accent. The movie is so homophobic, and I should have spent more time on this, because the lesbian scene, like the movie perceives or thinks lesbians are hanging out in brightly lit rooms

I think carpeted? Yeah. Like a ballroom. Oh, yes. Our restaurant has wall-to-wall carpeting. Carpeted ballrooms and that they are dancing, they're slow dancing together to classical music. Like they're in eighth grade. It's like big band swing music. It's like they're ballroom dancing or something. But there's no band. It's all piped in. That's somebody playing that as a track. And that they're all dressed in cocktail dresses. Yes.

I've never seen a portrayal of a lesbian like that. I mean, it really... I just question whether anybody in the movie is a human being. I just want to put it into context one more time. This is the same year that Terminator 2 Judgment Day comes out. Home Alone comes out. Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves. Like, this is 1990. This feels like if you said 85, like, okay, that's a...

a look at something that we don't... No, when you said 91 earlier, I was genuinely shocked. Shocked, yeah. Because that makes no sense for this. And I will also just bring this up to a moment. This movie does dick around for a long time, and I think it's worth watching the most insane 90 seconds. It's like... It's almost like...

The moment in Home Alone where they wake up and they realize that they all get to the airport in like five minutes. This movie's like, oh shit, we're an hour and 20 minutes in. We don't have a plot. Go. And then in 90 seconds, this goes down. Just watch this 90 seconds. You're under arrest for the murder of Stephen Brooks. You invited Mr. Brooks to the party. Yes, but he never showed up. She's lying. You're a witness. When did you meet the defendant? The morning after the party. What did she tell you?

That she was Steve Brooks reincarnated as a woman. What else did she tell you? That I shot him. Him. Her. What else did she say? That God had sent him back. Would you mind speaking up, please? That God had sent him back and that he couldn't get into heaven until he found one female who liked him. Steve. Her. But she was drunk. No, I wasn't that drunk.

You solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So help me God. State your name. Steven Brooks. And prison. Five months, Walter. You gotta get me out of here. I'm doing the best that I can. So how do you feel? Five months later. How the fuck do you think I feel, Walter? I'm gonna have a baby. It's your fucking fault. I'd like to strangle you. That's how I feel.

That's 90 seconds. More plot happens in that 90 seconds. I was going to say the first, I mean, more than two thirds of the movie happened in, I'm going to say a week, maybe not even the course of maybe four or five days for the vast majority of the movie.

And then from here until the end of the movie, it takes months. She gestates a human. Nine months. Nine months, gives birth, then dies. Then her daughter is five years old, visiting her grave. But then, I will also say that...

The reason why she dies or the reason why we understand that she's going to die is because she's like pre-diabetic and has high cholesterol. But if they didn't switch bodies... Wait, really? Yeah. Yeah. That's why she dies? High blood pressure. She has high blood pressure. And diabetes. And so she dies in childbirth. Yes. Right. But I felt like, well, whose body is she taking those ailments from? Because Steve is in the river.

You know what's interesting, too? You're really doing a lot of science. You're doing so much medical work on this movie. Like, you should be a pretty fresh body. Remember? But I forget what this is, but I have it in my note. When she goes to prison, right prior to that, all the women are back in the hot tub? Yes. Oh, yes. That's where they do their meetings. It was.

what is that? That's where they do their witch meetings. Let's get back in the hot tub. Like, that would be, remember when we murdered someone? Let's go hang out in the hot, in the murder tub. But don't forget, Lorraine Bracco is in her own gigantic tub when she answers the phone. Listen, Jessica, I will be thinking about her, that tub for a long time because there were three to four TVs set up. Like, she was calling like a

like a sitcom like go camera A go camera C from her tub from her tub and I was like wow that's so dangerous yeah that amount of electricity I wish that Ellen Barkin had smoked the cigars more

I loved when she became like a cigar chomp and it made me feel like this was, I would have loved it more if instead this was like, oh God and oh God, you devil or whatever. I would like it if it was not those notes. If it was a switcheroo with an old man, like who smokes a cigar, like,

That's what it felt like she was doing, like George Burns or something. But this is the thing. It's like you need to understand who you're switching with, or it's weird. It's like Jumanji. I really like Jumanji, and there are the new Jumanji, but there are people in it that are acting just like the teenage avatars and then people who are not. And like Ellen Barkin is trying to sit uncomfortably. Like, you look at us all sitting here.

Two men, two women. None of us are like... Oh, legs crossed. None of us are like... She has a Sharon Stone shot in the first one. I thought that must have been kind of racy for back then. I loved it. I can't even do it, not for nothing. It made me laugh. That scene made me laugh. It made me laugh too. It's like...

Not even aware of it. What about when she takes a penthouse out at the barber? That, okay. So that I loved so hard because like, and this is really for old people, but like when you went to a barbershop, there were playboys in penthouses. That's real. At my barbershop, it's still there. Wait, what? No, Paul. That's why Paul goes to get a haircut every three days.

The only chance I get to see. Wait, you were supposed to be sitting and flipping through beaver to beaver to beaver, leave it to beaver. Just checking out the bees. Yes, my barbershop. Just be like, give me this. My barbershop has that. Our children go to that barbershop. Guys, I can't. It's right on the racks. They're vintage. I can't understand. They're vintage. Go ahead. It doesn't make it better that they're vintage. Why what?

Because it's a gentleman's magazine and a barbershop is a gentleman's domain. But do gentlemen, did they read Playboy with one another? For the articles. With one another? But yet. Oh yeah. But yet. That's what you would do to your friends? So Jess. Let me be clear. I would never. Never.

Literally, I know everybody's like, oh, come on, you're gross. We know you're gross. I would never be like, check this out to a, I would be mortified. I just feel like that's a private, that's a private. I agree with you. I would hope so. I'm so upset. Public pornos, public pornos, i.e. at the barbershop or whatever, is insanity. That's,

That's crazier than anything I just saw in that movie. Jessica, the less we know about men, the better. And that remains true. The only good woman is a man. Stay ignorant. No less. The equivalent of looking at porn in a barbershop is like watching Switch on a commercial airline. 100%. And I also will say this. He's looking at a penthouse but is disgusted by Lorraine Bracco.

He's not, so here's the thing. He's not disgusted by her. He's hot for her. He is, but he's managing his own homophobia. And I also think he says to her, which is true, the only reason he's trying to sleep with her is to get the Faxon Cosmetics account. But I don't think that's true. Because that's, wait a second. I think that's what Steve would have done.

is leverage his sexuality to get the account. But he's also hot for Bronco, right? She's hot for Bronco.

Because she's all fumbling, like, oh, my God, I don't know how to unsnap it. And, like, that's... Oh, yeah. Okay. I honestly think something, even though I just said it's homophobia, and I think it's a part of it, but I think something else is happening on a deeper level for Steve and his sexuality, which is to truly pleasure a woman, he doesn't know... LAUGHTER

Because he now is a woman, he's confronted by something. It's like he... Well, he's not in the driver's seat. Yes. That's what's really uncomfortable for him. So it's homophobia, yeah, sort of. But it's also something else that's happening in that moment. And that's where the movie does function as a drama because I'm like, there are some psychosexual levels happening here that my mind can't even wrap itself around. He passes out. Like, he passes out because I do think...

He's not used to maybe a balanced or giving up or giving in. She is controlling that moment. And she's going to require something that Steve, as a man, has never been able to do. Yeah. Wait, give a woman an orgasm? Yeah. It's my guess. Probably. I think Steve is being confronted with the fact that his masculinity or what he perceives of as his...

competence as a lover is in fact a sham. I think so. And every woman he talks to is like, he sucks. Like all the calls. He's just being told constantly over and over again, you are disliked by every single woman. But here's what I would love. I would have loved for Steve...

to be fucked by someone and be like, wow, that's what it's like. And because he was a homophobe, for him to fall in love with his best friend who he has a natural connection with and then have sex with him, I think would have been a very fulfilling ending. But they turned it into rape and it's like, oh, it's so... It's always a bummer. You cannot leave...

You cannot leave Smith's with NYPD blue balls. No? This is why I sent my parents home. That's a solid joke. Solid joke.

Solid joke. Let's go into the crowd. I want to talk to the audience and see if they have anything that they want to talk about. From Discord, somebody whose name is Frog-ga-ha-ha. Where are they? Over there? Okay, we're going to come to you first. Because you have an interesting point that I'd love you to pitch out over here. Okay. He's looking at cliff notes of his own writing. All right, what's your name? It's Jeremy. Jeremy, welcome, Jeremy. Jeremy, what is your question? I'll hold the mic. Okay.

Why at the end of the movie would Steve want to be a female angel in the afterlife when throughout the movie Steve was still his old piece of shit, Strowman himself? Agree. I agree. I mean, the movie wants you to believe he's learned something, but I just don't think it's shown us that learning. I don't think. I don't think so either. Amazing.

But I also feel like... Is he a woman? Does he become a female angel? It ends in a cliffhanger. That's the sequel. He never decides. Because I don't think the movie wants to say that men are better than women or women are better than men. I think they want both sides now, which, by the way, how did they get Joni Mitchell? I don't know. They must have punched her in the face. We've got to talk to Joni. Ladies and gentlemen, Joni Mitchell. Yay!

That was so tough because that is, Both Sides Now is actually, I will say, my favorite song. And I love that song so much. I think the lyrics are so beautiful. To hear it at the beginning of the movie, I was like, okay, what's happening here? Why is my favorite song being played? And then...

to hear it again at the end. It was really, it was tough. I mean, could you laugh? Oh, it was devastating. It was really upsetting. For how infrequently Joni Mitchell songs are used in movies. That's what I'm saying. I've never heard that song in a movie. For this one to be used twice in this garbage? And by the way, that song should be in every movie. Like that song is so important. Those lyrics are so important that to be, to hear them for the first, I think it's the first time I've heard them in a movie. Oh yeah. To hear them in this movie?

was so shocking. I didn't want to reveal this. I didn't want to reveal this. Joni Mitchell saw this movie and was like, you have to put one of my songs in it. She was like, never have I seen a film that gets it. And they said, well, you know, she's like, take them all. And they're like, we'll just use one. And so, yeah, that's an interesting, fun Joni fact for you. How dare you?

All right, your name. My name's Lindsay. Is it okay for Jimmy Smits to marry a woman who has been institutionalized for her to marry her rapist while the cardinal who is marrying them is clearly not okay with what is going on? Great question. Great question.

I don't think she, to be clear, I don't think she's been institutionalized for like mental reasons. Yes. It says a mental. Because she's. Oh, really? Well, I thought she was in prison. She's Steve. I'm sorry. I thought she was in prison. No, so she is institutionalized. I misunderstood. I misunderstood. Because I think she should be locked up. Right. Lock her up, question mark? I love that even at that wedding, only the orderlies showed up. Like no family. Right.

I think they had to be there, babe. I don't think they showed up. Yeah. But, I mean, I agree. They're on the clock for that one. Yeah, I think they're on the clock. You think invitations went out to just the orderlies? Save the date. She is charming. But where's Jimmy Smith's family? Poor Jimmy. I mean, is Jimmy in love with his best friend? Yes. Was he always in love with them before he turned into a woman? You think? Yeah.

I mean, I do think he thinks this is the best relationship he's ever been in. The friendship. And then when he gets that ass that he can't stop touching. I do think that that's one of the questions of the movie that it can't answer and won't is the sort of homoeroticism between two male friends.

Wouldn't it be interesting to investigate that? I would love to know. I'd love them to switch back and see how they feel about each other. Or for even Ellen Barkin's character to speak to a transition for them in terms of attraction or whatever it means to be now engaged in an actual consensual relationship with Jimmy Smith. Because the movie is like, well, if they have sex, it cannot be.

and also this movie is so crazy because the way that, and this is, this is what I mean by how like the barometer, the male barometer in this movie is so distressing because the way that our, our Steve in Ellen Bergen's body addresses his own rape of his body is sort of like, ah, you fucking did it. You crazy cat. Like you raped me while I was asleep. And yeah,

It's so distressing. Your name and your question. My name is Florencia. Okay. And first of all, I think one bit of physical comedy that I really loved was Ellen Parkin was always wearing her purse directly around her neck. Thank you. That was a really

interesting choice. Thank you. I mean, it's convenient. You can sort of rifle around. Yeah. Weird, though, that she doesn't know how a woman wears a purse. Yes. Strange. Not weird at all because she's amazing. Yeah, but she still looks at a woman. She's not Starman. She knows how people behave. You've seen Starman? No! I knew it. I fucking knew it. No! You're a goddamn liar.

But my question has to do with sort of earlier on in the movie where I was like...

Where's the point? Where's her ambition? I thought for a minute that she was going to befriend Margot, where they were hanging out in her bed. And, I mean, yes, she was blackmailing her a bit. She could understand Margot. She could be, oh, I would have killed me too. And Margot is saying, yeah, exactly. And Margot is saying, well, of course you can't make out with that woman. You are a homophobe. Right.

I thought, like, oh, are we going to have a moment of, like, woman-woman friendship, which is actually one of the nice things about being a woman. And just what would the movie be if we went that direction instead of forcing this male-female relationship with a rapist?

Yeah, wouldn't it have been great for Ellen Barkin slash Steve? Yes. Yes, give it up. It's a great point. For the movie to be about the friendship that comes out of her and the woman who murdered her. And she ends up loving her. And she ends up liking her. That's what I mean. That's a movie. That's a movie. That's a movie.

That's a movie. That's a movie. That's a movie. Thanks, Mario. Wow, you have a nice screen grab here. Okay, your name? Okay, your name? Jake. Okay, Jake, go for it. We didn't really talk about the director, who's also the director of Breakfast at Tiffany's, but he wrote and directed this movie. He also wrote and directed Victor Victoria. Correct, correct. Oh, wow. Okay, so he did this. It's Blake Edwards.

This is a Blake Edwards movie? Yep. The Pink Panther's Blake Edwards? Skin Deep with John Ritter in a glow-in-the-dark condom. Jason, it gets worse. Do not talk to me like that, sir.

I deeply apologize. So he did an interview when he was promoting this movie, and I'm not going to read it word for word, but he went over not showing the date rape thing and the abortion issue and also why he made this movie. So he didn't show it because he said it was towing a fine line, but originally the date rape was in the script and the people funding the movie made him remove it.

He said that while he's pro-choice for others, deep down he would keep the baby and that the reason Steve did it was because he's the only man to ever have that happen and he wanted to see it through. And then he said, I'm just going to read this because it blows my mind. One of the things that drove me to write Switch was to show what it's like carrying a baby.

Wow. This is that movie? Because I'll be honest, that only happens in the last seven minutes. I mean, he must have been pissed when Junior came out with Danny DeVito and Schwarzenegger. Like the amount of, they give the same amount of time to the baby as they do to the twin towers in the last scene of this movie. God. Too far? Never? Question mark.

Wow, that really got me. I do know that one scene that was edited out was test audiences did not respond to the romantic subplot between Ellen Barkin and Lorraine Bracco, so they cut that. Oh, so there was more. There was more. There was an actual... Oh, interesting. Because that's what it seemed like. It seemed like a will-they-won't-they, like, I want to see them get back together and love each other. That would have been amazing. Yeah. But...

1991 was homophobic is what we understand. Okay, so here we go. I mean, by the way, I don't think it's limited to just that year, ma'am. I don't think that's the one year we had. 88, 89, not homophobic. 90, 91, very homophobic. As someone who in that era lived in Boston, tough town. All right.

You know, obviously we have an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Steve walked like a man, talked like a man. That's why his life is done. Done-a, done-a, now he

He is a lady. Donna, Donna. Ellen's walking crazy. Donna, Donna. Walter is acting rapey. Donna, Donna. Now they have a baby. And that she died as she gave birth. Good things she changed and now has worth. To enter heaven straight from earth. As woman or as man.

It's time to look at both sides now. This movie got five stars somehow. Review delusions with enthrall. Or do we not know films? Thank you. My name is Cassie. Thank you. Great job, Boston. Great job.

Okay, these are five-star reviews culled from Amazon. There are 733 total reviews. The average prime rating is 4.7 out of five stars. 80% of the reviews are five-star reviews. Let's start with Kevin, who writes, like blazing saddles and airplane...

Some things were just done so well, no one tried to top it. This seems like one of those. Five stars! Enduring comedy. Now, I would make the argument that many people have made this movie. A lot, right? Body switching, men, women, yeah. I think people have tried to top it. I think they have, right? Mel Gibson?

Wait, no, that's just he can hear what women want. Oh, then yes. But I mean, it's similar territory. Jen Anne, she was in a movie called Switch, right? Yeah, she switched chis. Oh. Yeah. All right, so maybe it hasn't been done. All right, this person was right. Sonny writes this. Wait, did you just agree with a second opinion? This is the first time in history that a second opinion convinced you

Blazing Saddles, Airplane Switch. Enduring American comedies. Sonny writes this. Funniest movie in the genre that we've ever seen. Alan Barkin ought to have earned an Emmy for this role. A real hoot.

Five stars. The title, Alan Barkin ought to have earned an Emmy. But Emmy's in quotes. Is it Alan Barkin? You seem to be saying Alan like... Alan. Alan Barkin. It is Alan. Alan Barkin. But an Emmy. She would not be nominated for an Emmy. But I guess an Oscar was male. So the joke might have been an Emmy? No, this is no joke. This is a moron.

Emmy is in quotes. All right. And then Ellen Barkin should get an EGOT for this. And our final one from Jackie L. Adams. Great movie. I laughed till water came out of my eyes. Five star. I like that. I like that as if as if Jackie is confused. What is this? What is this water coming out of my eyes? Help. This movie produced. Help. Help.

Till water came out of my eyes. I will say this. This movie is a remake of two films, Goodbye Charlie, and that was a Debbie Reynolds, Tony Curtis comedy, and Angel No. 9, an X-rated film about a heartless, despicable womanizer who is reincarnated as a woman who then falls for a heartless, despicable womanizer written and directed by Roberta Finley. Its tagline was, the first erotically explicit film ever made by a woman.

And this was directly a remake of that? It says it's a remake of two films. Has anybody seen those movies? Angel No. 9? No. Boston? No. Most of you have, and you're like, I'm not saying it. I'll wait and talk about it at the barbershop. Ellen Barkin may not have gotten an Emmy, but she was nominated for a Golden Globe. She lost to Bette Midler in For the Boys.

And this is the final moment here. In the last scene, CPR is given by the doctor, but it's just above the left of the navel. That is the incorrect place to do it. So just some facts. We didn't even talk about as she's pushing the baby out, she was using Jimmy Smith's penis as her stabilizer. That seemed appropriate.

Movie was a hit. Budget, $14 million. Total gross, $15.5 million. Came in number 84 in the top 200 movies of all of 1991. It beat out Drop Dead Fred. Body parts, stone cold, nothing but trouble. Mannequin on the move and cool as ice. But it was beaten by Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2. Look who's talking to. Hudson Hoff and Highlander 2, The Quickening.

So there you go. All of those did better than that? There you go. Wow. Wow. Wow indeed. Can I just have two quotes of lines from the movie that we didn't cover that I enjoyed?

One of them is, again, I don't think we've given enough credit to Jo Beth Williams, who I think is absolutely dynamite in this movie. She's phenomenal. And dynamite in everything. She always is, yeah. They're walking across the sidewalk into the car. She's wearing a fur coat, and someone says, do you know how many poor animals had to die to make that coat? Jo Beth Williams, do you know how many rich assholes I had to fuck to get this coat? Boom. So good. Boom. Home run quote. You know what? That's so good.

not even going to read the other one. All right. And I want just describing oneself as being built like a brick shit house. That was amazing. Underrated. Oh, I do want to call attention to one performance of somebody that I love. Catherine Keener. Yes.

So, Catherine Keener, can we play that clip of Catherine Keener, the secretary? No, don't worry about it. The secretary clip. I gasped. I did too. This is a great little moment that we just have to call it where the secretary is crying. You're a sister. Well, half sister. We only just discovered each other a few days ago. Oh. Oh, because I've been a secretary for two years and he never said anything about it. Nothing, nothing.

Did you look in the drawer? Yeah, I did. Let me have a look. He told Amanda that he was gonna chuck it all and be like Gauguin. The painter? I can't believe that he wouldn't call me. Hey, what's this here? What? It's a note. It says, To Walter. Where'd you find that? In the drawer. I looked, dear Walter, I'm fed up with my life. I decided to chuck it all, start again like Gauguin. I asked Amanda, my half-sister, to stay in my apartment while I'm gone. Take her to lunch. You'll like her. She's got a great pair of... So long, Steve.

I hated him. I just, I always cry when I'm really, really, really happy.

Great performance. It's the most realistic performance in the entire film. It's great. It's also that watching that, it makes me realize like, and you telling me it's a Blake Edwards movie and you didn't tell me, this motherfucker right here did. Put your hands down, asshole.

That's your half brother. This movie thinks it's like a screwball comedy, like a goofball. Like she walks in, she produces the note. The note says everything that Jimmy Smith's just said. The movie thinks it's hilarious in like a can you believe it kind of way and it's not.

In the sanitarium where she is pregnant and there's a very dramatic scene. There's this man bouncing off the walls in the background. I love that man. And I loved Catherine. I loved him. And I loved Catherine Keener because, you know, she barely gets a close-up in this movie. You know who else doesn't get much? Tia Leone. Tia Leone.

That's right. Young Talioni. That's right. And I thought for sure Talioni was going to be the woman that he pursues and is, I thought for sure we were building up to that. But it was just nice to see Catherine Keener in this little role, you know, made me feel like maybe all the little roles I've done will add up to us.

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Yes, I was in that film, Paul. And give a great performance. Can I say something that I genuinely did enjoy about the movie? How often most scenes ended in a fist fight. Always. I loved how much, if Ellen Barkin's character punched this many people into unconsciousness, she would have broken hands for the whole movie. So you would recommend it?

Oh, yeah. June, would you? I would, actually. Jessica? I would as well. And you got a big old thumbs up from me. That's a four. That's a four thumbs up. All right. Quickly, plugs. Any plugs? I have a plug for you guys. Deep dive plug. Here we go. Yeah, deep dive, please.

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