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the 1990 supernatural drama action film, The First Power, starring Lou Diamond Phillips. Now...

if you don't know anything about the first power let me read how the joe blow website describes the movie because they do a damn good job they say this they say a vicious serial killer is tracked down by detective russell logan although the maniac is executed in the gas chamber the murders begin again a

A devil worshiper, the killer has the first power, one of three forces only God or the devil can bestow. With supernatural forces behind him, he can now appear in anybody, anywhere, at any time. Logan and the beautiful psychic Tess, who is helping the police watch in horror as this unstoppable entity grows stronger with each murder committed. And that is the first power. All right, so...

We're gonna break down all the powers. One of the powers, I think, is the ability to power a ceiling fan. I think that's power number five. I'd like to see a whole movie about that. Let's get into it right away. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Massachusetts' own Jason Manzoukas! What's up, jerk? What's up, Boston? How we doing, Memphis? Yeah! Yeah!

That's what I'm talking about. Jason, the first power is a movie. Jesus Christ. You're welcome, Boston. Where I really wanted it to be... Good? Yes.

It's amazing. 12 years in, you still have hope. I do. That has been wrung out of me. I was like, fuck. No. What is this? Lou Diamond Phillips, poor LDP, is...

Just trying his best in this turkey and I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. I have some things to say about LDP. Let's bring out our next co-host. She has a lot to say about Satan and hairstyles and so much more. Please welcome June Diane Raphael. Welcome, June. Hi, Paul. How are you? I'm well. Thank you so much for asking. How are you? I'm okay. I'm okay. I...

I similarly, well, I don't know that I had hope, but when I watched this movie, I thought, wow, there's still more work for us to do out there. It's true. You know, because I don't know how we haven't done this movie yet. I had never seen it in the video stores. So this was a, I was coming to this with very fresh eyes.

Again, this movie is 1990. I'm shocked at that. First of all, if you had told me this was 1983, I would have been absolutely, yes. It feels like a mid-80s, like a real weird mid-80s, but this came out in the theater. This movie not only came out in the theater, but tested so well. What? It tested. They brought it to audiences, and it tested so well. In Boston? In Boston?

Did past audiences make this happen? Right outside of Boston, they brought it to a theater in Medford. Medford. And it tested so well that producers spent millions of dollars to add a brand new ending because they're like, you know what?

People love this. Like the cliffhanger ending. The cliffhanger and the entire water sequence at the end was all added because they're like, this movie deserves more money. Hang on. This movie used to end not at the water treatment plant? Nope. I think it used, yeah, I think it probably, I guess it ended in that room.

Before... Well, no, that was at the water treatment plant. It ended originally in a warehouse. There are pictures of yet another warehouse. This movie loves warehouses and underground water industrial facilities. This movie takes place...

So much around where we live that I found myself pausing it just to be like, oh, is that where I live? Now I get my hair cut. I've been like, oh, I've walked by that reservoir. Now listen, I mean, I grew up Catholic, recovering now, obviously. But I remember these powers. Well, I was going to... I'm so glad you said that because I also...

did not know anything about the powers being described in the movie, nor does it seem any of the characters in the movie know. It's not until the undercover agent arrives. Yes. And she is the one who explains it. She arrives easily at the end of Act Two. Well, she's at the beginning of the movie. Right. At the very beginning of the movie, she shows up.

to a bunch of priests and maybe a cardinal. Yes. And says that she knows something's afoot. A bunch of priests and maybe a cardinal. I think there was a whole scandal in Boston based around that exact setup of gentlemen. Michael Keaton starred in the movie adaptation. He brought him down.

And she says something's going on. And it's time and we have to and we need to bring out the big guns or that special cross. Yes.

And nobody listens to her. Well, they say, if we're to talk about Satanism, we're going to end up on Geraldo or something like that. They say Geraldo. Is that at the beginning? They do say Geraldo. Is that the beginning? That's at the very beginning. That's her. But these powers, immortality is power one. Power two is knowing the future. Power three is the ability to take over people's bodies. He has power three.

But I'm like, did God also have these powers? Only Jesus Christ. She says an undercover agent at the end when she produces the crucifix knife. Badass.

By the way, have that in the whole movie. Lou Diamond Phillips, LDP, unfortunately in the movie has to spend the entirety of it being like, I don't believe this. I don't agree with this. This isn't happening. And so that makes the movie feel really difficult to go through because he's being dumb.

Well, and when she produces the thing with the crucifix and crucified Jesus, she says he's the only person who had all three of the powers. But is that something, as somebody who went to Catholic school, I am confused. I never remember the stories of Jesus possessing people's bodies.

Or Jesus knowing the future, he wasn't like, um... No. Water will turn into wine. Just give me a sec. You know, it's like, it wasn't like those were the things that we learned. He did say to Lazarus before Lazarus died, I'll see you in a bit. I'll see you in hell!

I will say this, that this movie does work in a world in which everyone has amnesia about the scene right before. That's right. Because... And evidence that's gathered is not important to Lou Diamond Phillips at all. It's so hard. He has a tough job because he, even though he's cracked, I think...

The last three serial killers... Five, June. I'm sorry, five serial killers within three... By killing them all, I believe. Or capturing them all within three years. I wrote that statistic down because I was like, okay, wait, there have been multiple, I guess, five active serial killers in Los Angeles? It's LA, baby. Yeah. It is, but wow. That's the part of the movie that I believed the most.

I was like, oh, absolutely. Yeah, I'm sure this is true for right now. He has such a tough job because he has to sort of buddy cop up with this wealthy psychic. We'll get into that. I want to reserve about an hour's time to talk about her business. Tess? I wish this movie was about Tess more than anybody else. I want to talk about the digital platform that she has.

Yes, for doing star signs and charts. Yes, there's sports, there's Wall Street. Oh my God. So she's weighing in. It is this sort of like, it's a 360 type of...

you know, psychic network. But so I want to, I truly want to reserve an hour. She also lives in an iconic modern, she lives in like the stall house, which is like a famous, it's one of the case study houses. It's an insane, the idea that she would own that house means she must be the biggest psychic in the world. But Jason, the biggest psychic in the world right now working today is, I don't know. Tyler Henry? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Wait, that came so quick, and it's a name I've never heard. Oh, he's wonderful, Paul, and I love him. We saw him live. What? We saw a live show. Yeah, we love him. You saw a live show? No, shade, because you fucking morons came to this. You saw a live show of a psychic? Does he do, like, the hits? He does do live readings. Wow, wow. It was impressive. It was wonderful.

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For free. Terms and conditions apply. I want to get into the psychic too, but I want to just step back and just embrace LDP. Because...

He has a tough job, and that might explain why he does not look comfortable smoking a cigarette at any point in this movie. Because he holds a cigarette like a child would hold. Like, he's holding it, like, daintily, like it should have a little... So it doesn't burn him, maybe. Yes.

And he's always smoking it. It's like, put all the fingers up like he's drinking a glass of tea. And it's always hanging. The cigarette work here is magnificent. But I did think to myself, because I also thought he looked so young. He looks like he's just a babe, a newborn fawn. And I think the cigarette work...

I do think he was like, I got to have my cigarettes. I got to have my long coat and I got to have my cigarettes. Because if I don't have those, I'm not going to be able to, I'm not going to seem like an established detective who's captured or killed five serial killers in the last three years. He doesn't seem hardened at all. No, he should be like, he basically should be Raylan Givens from Justified.

Or Bosch. You know what I mean? I knew you were going to bring Bosch up. Of course I'm going to bring Bosch up. It was only a matter of time. You can't talk about a Hollywood homicide without talking about Bosch. Great. Everybody, the rest of the show, we're talking Bosch. And the tough job he has, though, is that he is uncovering, he's working with this psychic and this very wealthy psychic, and he's so mad at her. He's so mad.

But he's mad at her. He's mad at her for experiencing the same things that he is going through. He sees crazy shit. I guess that's maybe why he's mad. He thinks, I mean, and I understand why he at first...

first would think she's a part of it. She's been calling him and telling him information that has actually led to actionable, you know, catching the guy or almost catching, all this stuff. So he knows she knows something, but he, for, I'm going to say, 54 minutes, he spends the time shaking her violently and threatening her when he himself is having hallucinations. Yes. He, this, I mean. He makes fun of

of her hallucinations. Like, there's no one there, dummy. But wait, in the scene before, you experience the same fucking thing. He's like, oh, well, we're going to go to his house where he grew up.

Buddy! Well, let's... I also... Why wouldn't they have done that to begin with? That should have been where they started. They're terrible police officers. And at one point, he especially, LDP, is struggling throughout. And at one point, Tess does a great job of calling him out on it and is like, what, do you want to just pull your gun out?

All he does is put his gun on anybody, anywhere. At every point, at point-blank range, he misses people at point-blank range 90% of the time. Does he ever get a shot off? No. Don't think so. He does, but it's unsuccessful. Boy...

And I love Jeff Korber, who's the main baddie. Yes. He's amazing. And one of the great villain faces of cinema. Why do they need to put him in a mask?

Because when he took off that mask, I'm like, is that a mask of his own face? I thought that too. Which, by the way, I love. I love his face. I thought it was... It felt too similar. It was too... At least somebody should have been like, hey, we bought this mask before we cast him and I feel like now it's not working. We should make masks of our faces.

I thought that in the opening scene, or not the opening scene, but one of the early scenes, where he takes the mask off himself and puts it on the woman on the ground. One of the creepier things I've ever seen. Chilling. But my favorite character beyond all was the homeless woman who is...

Jumping up. And that's the only person that Lou Diamond Phillips successfully shoots. Well, by the way, that woman is amazing. Incredible. I call her Carol Kane. Great. And I want to play that moment where Lou Diamond Phillips and the second woman are about to go to the bone zone. I want the whole movie to be her as the bad guy. And when she pops up, take a look at this. She's one of our best actresses.

This is what the movie's been building to, this romantic kiss. We finally get it. And then, what does he hear? But, like, they go back to kissing now. At this point in the movie, any noise offscreen is the murderer. Why does he have to leave? I think he's going to go investigate the noise, isn't he? Maybe it's his cat that never came back? He thinks it's an old refrigerator. The cat with the pearl necklace? Dun-dun-dun!

Yeah. This looks like Robin. Why didn't she cut down? This looks like. Yeah. Robin. Uh-oh. What is it? This is a classic moment. She was outside the window. And he doesn't believe it. His gun is out, by the way. Always. His gun is always out. Even when he thought it was the refrigerator, he took it out. Yes, there's nothing out there. Oh. Oh.

Don't you think I look pretty, Lalkin? Incredible. He comes alive with this performance. It's like Carole Kane meets the Wicked Witch of the West. But dressed as Robin Williams from The Fisher King. And I have to say that this movie's stunts are amazing. We'll talk about those. But June, I want to just pull out what you just said. He pulled out his gun to check on an old refrigerator.

Like he's like, oh, I guess I'm going to have to shoot that refrigerator. And I'm going to bet that if he made it to the kitchen, he would miss that point blank rage. And again, I will say he has a cat named Jack. Okay. Wouldn't you be like, oh, it's my cat. My cat knocked something over. I don't like the way. Cat never comes back, by the way. The cat comes back a couple of times, but I don't like the introduction to LDP. Me neither. Me neither.

is we're watching a cat gnaw at pizza. No, I didn't like it either. And I'm like, oh, this is the serial killer's apartment. And then I'm like, oh, it's our hero's apartment? I didn't know what we were supposed to make of that because I was like, oh, is he taking care of that cat? And I don't even like cats. And I was like, the whole movie I was worried about that cat.

And that cat wasn't being fed and that cat wasn't being taken care of. And then I'm also like, why is he so messy? And he even apologizes. When they go to the apartment, he apologizes because it's so messy. And it is. It's disgusting. His whole apartment situation did not mesh with his reputation as the best homicide detective in Los Angeles at 27 years old.

I'm gonna go one step further and say this. I like Lou Diamond Phillips, but there's no personality to this cop. Like, I don't know who the fuck... Is he funny? Is he angry? Oh, he smokes. Yeah.

Like, I can't put a finger on it. He has no defining traits. None of the people in the movie have, like, a personality or have characteristics that make them unique. They are all, like, just truly... Man. Woman. Yes. Scene. And literally, like, the guy who works in the water treatment plant has just as much character development as...

Well, no, I think the person who, and this is so fucking crazy, and this is what's wrong with the movie, is like the person who had, in some ways, the most humanity was the serial killer himself. Yeah. Where I was like, oh, you've experienced this childhood trauma. You are this way. I hope you get healed. And I am connected to his journey way more than I am to our billionaire psychic. I'll say this.

I wanted him to get away with it. He did! That's the end of the movie! He did get away with it! There's a sequel, potentially. That's the problem with this movie. I don't understand what it is. He catches a serial killer, don't put him on death row, they put him on death row, then he's able to jump around, but it makes no sense, because sometimes he jumps into people's bodies, and he doesn't control their bodies, he just becomes...

But then he doesn't jump into the bag lady's body. No. And I don't know if he was like, she's got to work on her own.

You know, she's so good that I gotta send her out there on her own. But then the bag lady is in the apartment, but then immediately in the backseat of the car, and even if she jumped out that window, I think they would have seen her sneak into the backseat. He appears to be able to, whether as his own corporeal form or when he has possessed another person, he seems to be able to teleport...

Willy nilly. And forgive me, this might be in there and I just didn't clock it, but it seemed very clear to me at the very beginning that Lou Diamond Phillips had been, like, possessed or part of the killer's spirit had gone over to him. They have a moment where they close in on

on both of their eyes, right? And there's a moment where there's a music cue and I was like, oh, for the rest of the movie, Lou Diamond Phillips is going to be in a fugue state committing the murders that he himself is now investigating, but he doesn't know. Right? Did other people think that? But that's not what the movie's about, is it? No. No. Better movie, though. But, now here's what I'll say to you. If the serial killer wanted to get captured,

wanted to be put on death row or be killed and I don't know if I Don't know if he needed to be killed on death or whatever it happened very quickly But if he wanted to be killed why is he then? Avenging his death with the cops just go off and start killing other people like they helped you out technically it will be more sense if a

The first act of the movie established a rivalry a la Dr. Richard Kimball and Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive where they are cat and mouse in each other and finally Lou Diamond Phillips gets him so that now he's being haunted for the rest of the movie or tortured and that the killer is making it personal, right? Right. That's what's missing. I mean, I think that... There's a lot missing. The connective...

That's the only thing I can see. The connective tissue between the killer's story... Like, I thought, oh, it would be great if Lou Diamond's father, who had been killed in a bar randomly, had been a cop who, like, turned the other way and didn't, you know, investigate what we knew was going on in our killer's family or something, anything. But we are... Those stories are just so disparate. And...

It just, there's some major holes. Wait, but also the psychic does something we don't really see until she goes to the house to go to his bedroom with the creepy clown portraits. She is the voice of him, the killer.

in the room. No, she's the voice of the killer's mother. No, and him. Oh, and him. I'm sorry. He's like, Grandpa, no. Don't say that again, Paul. That's the shirt. By the way, that is the shirt with a creepy clown on it. Just like the clowns that used to drive around to haunt in a van and try to kidnap kids. You guys get it. You're the only people that get it. Here's what I couldn't understand, though. To your earlier point,

is why our nun, Sister Marguerite, says that... And also the psychic, they don't want the killer to be on death row, and they don't want the state to be responsible for killing him. And I guess my question is, why? Because... I think...

This is my conjecture. Okay. I think that the movie wants... I don't think they do a good job setting this up, but I think the movie wants you to believe that by killing him, you will be giving him the third power. Yes. Right? Or the first power. The first power, resurrection. The third power... First resurrection, you said? The first one is resurrection. Which is what it is. The third power is taking over. So that would be why... He's already doing that. No, no. Oh.

The gas chamber gives him the third power, and then if he kills the psychic, he gets the second power. I don't know if he just adopts power. So wait, does he ever have all three powers? No, they're trying to get him to stop him before he gets the first power. Okay, so in the Bible, in the Book of Powers... Yes, the Great Stars theory. The Great Book of Powers. As a religion major from Middlebury College, when Lou Diamond Phillips wakes up from his dream, right? Yes.

Correct me if I'm wrong. There are roses beside him in the bed. No, I didn't see that. Why? What's that story? That's exactly the kind of detail that's in the movie that I'm like, something interesting is happening here. But the movie's like, nah, who cares? I believe. Who cares that there are three roses on the pillow next to him?

I believe that those roses were placed there by the same person who held the cat off screen and on action threw it at Lou Diamond, folks.

Because where is that cat jumping from? It's a pretty open floor plan. There's no shelving anywhere near him. Okay, so are we to understand that you can only get power two and power three after you have power one or you start off with power three? This is what the psychic says. All right, here we go. Sexy psychic phone call. Listen, ladies.

This is sexy, actually. Keep going. Oh, amazing. Oh, this is so funny, by the way. When he tries to draw it.

There are so many killings. There are like that is a road trip that is 16 killing Right into lens

Right down the barrel. Oh, shit. So I believe that he is such a disciple of Satan that he knows if he is killed, he will immediately get the third power because he's a good little devil boy. And I don't know how he'll get the other ones, but he will. Wow. I didn't understand that from watching the movie, that we were trying to collect powers. It's clearly what's at stake. I didn't understand that. That's, I feel like, why he is...

joyfully taunting them into giving him the death penalty and like the courthouse steps scene between them. And that's why he kidnaps the psychic, I think, to take her powers and suck them out. That's hard though because he's also killing so many other people. Huh. He's getting revenge. Oh, let me tell you something else too. Who's he getting revenge on? All the cops that gave him what he wanted. Um...

Because the other part of this is, as somebody who grew up with horses, let me tell you this. Here we go. Oh, you think you're better than us with your horses? Do not fire a gun in the proximity of a horse if you want them to calm down. Like when the horse is stomping on that detective, brrump, brrump, brrump with those hooves, don't fire a gun that's only going to intensify the stomping.

Now I know you were in a horse accident. Did you shoot at a horse when that happened? We did have guns and we did have horses. What? Did you grow up cowboy style? Wait, were you Long Island Yellowstone?

We had a ranch. The Dut Long Island. I thought I... Okay, so I was very disturbed by that horse scene. So, and I guess this is what I couldn't tell. Did our killer possess the horse? Okay. So not the rider. I think it was the rider. I don't know. Because then he jumps out of the thing, runs up the steps...

And Lou Diamond Phillips chases him, the driver of the carriage, and he's saying, come on, buddy boy. I know, but there were times when we were close up on that horse and there was a striking resemblance. Well, then, if I'm the killer, I'm fucking porting myself straight into Jack the Cat and I'm fucking slicing and dicing LDP's neck. I will say that, June, you probably are confused because that horse is wearing blinders, but blinders is technically not a mask.

The horse takes off his blinders and puts it on the cop. Bah, bah. Now, here's what I'll say about that scene, though. He jumps into somebody else. Lou Diamond Phillips, they chase, they chase. They do this amazing stunt where he jumps off the building...

and then runs away. But if he's possessing someone's body, just kill that person. Splat. That's what's so hard. That's what's so tough about this movie. Oh, because he does, he has to have like a really, it was a cool stunt, By the way, totally real stunt. Great stunt, loved it. All done in camera. And then he gets to have like a cheeky moment where he waves goodbye like, see you soon. But imagine if the whole movie instead of him, it was the bag lady. Woo!

Carol Kane from Scrooged. Simca. What a performance, just to go back to her for a second. What a performance. Oh yeah. Incredible. And she really left it all on the stage.

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Why was the nun in, like, nun jail? Yeah. They go to visit the nun, who looks like they live in The Rock's house. It's like, hold on, we'll buzz you into the nunnery. And, like, a gate opens and they pull up, like, a driveway that, like, the dude from Entourage would live at. And they pull in, like, oh, the nun, she's down here in this little room. And they talk through, like, a sliding...

Like a sliding door prison. Again, so much of this, this is a real, because we haven't said it yet, like, to me, this is a real, a movie that is genuinely part of, like, the satanic panic era of, like, yeah, give it up for satanic panic, everybody. The idea that, like, our kids were being indoctrinated into devil worship by heavy metal music and so forth. Yeah! Yeah!

Boston, fucking animals. But there's this whole idea that like, oh, somehow this person, the upside down pentagram, the devil, all this stuff. Lou Diamond Phillips is so oblivious that even when he goes to church, because first he goes to church, before they go to the nunnery,

He goes to church, goes into the confession booth, and has a whole conversation with a priest who turns out to be the killer. Yes. And then when he goes around, it's just empty. And nowhere, even when they try and go to the nunnery, they seem genuinely disinterested in engaging seemingly the only people who can treat this scourge, which is the nuns, the priests, and their special crucifix daggers. Yes.

The movie should be about them. Well, they seem to be the keeper of the special crucifix dagger. Everything Tess and Lou Diamond Phillips are doing are moot until these people get involved. Yeah, because Tess is, yeah, she has no real, she has powers to sort of intuit what's going on, but she can't do anything. No, it's the curse. Well, her powers are suspect because... You think? Yeah.

Well, she does say that thing. Well, she's able to figure out a cop tailing her, but she doesn't know why the cop is tailing her. So if she was psychic, she'd be like, you're tailing me because Lou Diamond Phillips told you to tail me. She's like, I don't know why you're following me, but go on an online dating. Well, Paul, you've seen Tyler Henry's work. He just gets hits and he gets symbols and then he's like, I don't believe that's a real person. Right.

Tyler Henry is a gifted young man. He's wonderful. Paul, I love him. But the other thing that I will agree, though, the thing that is suspect about her is that she has no idea that two cops are in her home rifling through her belongings and her answering machine. She walks in shocked. She was stunned.

And I did think, huh, you should have gotten some sort of a message about this. Especially on the walk up to your apartment when there's a police car parked out front. And the house is top to bottom glass. And they're just in there. You could see them from the gate. It's like Bosh's house, actually. But at the same time, at the same time, again, I just want to break down what this guy can do. Because...

He leaves a message on her answering machine, which he can rewind. Then it's not there, which I get. But I also am like, do I get it? Well, this is part of the movie's problem, which is Lou Diamond Phillips is collecting...

Scene after scene, experiences that are truly unexplainable, that must key him into something supernatural is happening, and he refuses to even consider that that's what's happened. Well, at that point, he's still a little, like, suspect of everything. But so much has happened. His partner... Oh, no, his partner hasn't been trampled. Oh, yeah, he has been trampled by now. No, his partner...

at that point has not been trampled. Why don't you just do this? If I'm like, all right, so I'm Michael T. Williamson and I'm just like sitting next to Lou Diamond Phillips and I'm like, hey,

Just blow off my own head. I possess my own body. That would be it. Why does he go out of the way to possess the horse? Why can't he just possess Michael T. Williamson, make Michael T. Williamson pick up a gun, shoot himself in the head, and be done with it? I don't know that he can possess dead bodies. Wait, you mean, I think Paul's saying when he's alive. When he's alive. Get him to kill himself, not get him to kill Lou Diabris. Why all the pomp and circumstance? Just...

Have them just jump into one of the ends. I think it's not as cinematic. Oh, I see what you're saying. Well, the person that I was waiting to get jumped into was the hot dog vendor. Okay, another remarkable performance. I laughed out loud. What was the line? He said, oh, she's just come out of a mental hospital. And he said... Maybe she should go back.

I had a genuine LOL. That's how I felt when the killer, you mentioned it earlier, Paul, pulls the ceiling fan out of the ceiling and then uses it as a chopping weapon. It felt like a Freddy Krueger move that he was going to be like, I'm a big fan, bitch. Yeah.

The movie does go for a couple comedic beats. And I do think they land the plane. Like, there's the beat with the hot dog vendor, and then there's also the beat in the hotel, the hotel of misfits, where they bust into a hotel room and the killer's after them. And then they move a bed close to the door to stop them from coming in.

And there's a gentleman asleep in it. And he does not wake. Nope. And they do not attempt to save him. No. No.

They don't attempt to save this poor man living in a flop house in downtown LA. And Lou Diamond Phillips is a cop, like, to serve and protect, and he does not make any attempt to save this civilian. Well, I wrote here, LDP is so dumb, question mark, and afraid, and it's making him a bad cop. Okay, a question about LDP, and this is a serious question I want to ask the audience, too. Okay. Okay.

Is the serial killer possessing the body and then making LDP see his face on their body? Okay, so if I was walking by, I would see LDP fighting the police chief. Okay. Okay, but then why does that man... You know what? Don't act like you knew that and we didn't. You guys are getting real fucking bullshit on us. So...

But then why does that man in the hotel lobby seem to also, the one that's sitting there in the lobby, he's like, what is he seeing? He saw a priest run up those stairs because a priest jumped out the window. Everyone's jumping out of windows in this movie. Everyone. That's the best way to get out. This movie is 98% about defenestration.

I guess I just want to go back to whose body jumps in at what point because whose body? Lou's body. When he jumps out the window and lands on the car and Lou Diamond Phillips gets in the car with that man. Okay, that man. Sorry, Paul. What that man says, I rewound. I watched

10 times in a row. That man is so shocked that LDP jumps in the car with the psychic and says, hey, hey, hey, I'm not anti-cop. And I'll help you find the creep. And Lou Diamond Phillips is not in police clothes. Why does he? Or knowing what's going on in the city.

Why would he tell him he's not anti-cop? Because I think he didn't want to be like, hey, look, you can take my... I don't want you to take my car, but it's not because I'm anti-cop. I just got it cleaned or whatever. And then they proceed to demolish his car like they're in a demolition derby. They drive it through a dumpster with a side hatch? Like...

I have a dumpster that has a secret exit. Well, the bad guy is hanging onto the car throughout. They're trying to knock him off. But the bad guy, this is what I'm talking about, the bad guy should just jump in the anti-cop guy. I agree.

Well, the bad guy at any point could exact his complete revenge by jumping into Lou Diamond Phillips or Tess. The movie doesn't add up because I don't know ultimately what the bad guy wants.

Full stop. I don't know what his plan is, nor does the end shine any light on it. I'm okay in the movie to be like, I'm not sure what he's up to, but I bet it's bad because he's doing a bunch of bad stuff. And then at the end, it's like, oh, okay. He was trying to unlock this thing and blah, blah, blah. Maybe his thought was...

I got to kill Tess. And if I give them enough clues, they'll eventually get to Marguerite. Marguerite will have that knife and then I will get that. It is a long road. Such a long road. I mean, because he should have said, go to the nun's house, brother. You know, like he should have been like...

I kept feeling like I also for a while thought, is the nun related somehow? Is the nun his mother? I thought that for a while. I was trying so hard to make sense of the movies, like all the characters such that they were in relation to each other somehow lined up eventually. And that's not what the movie's interested in. Amazing performance by the killer's mother and his grandmother, rather.

Sorry, it's dark in here. My eyes. What a wonderful performance. I was very confused because for most of the movie, I thought that that phone call and those sexy lips were... And I'm scared to even say this, but I'm going to be brave right now and admit that I thought that those sexy lips and sexy phone call were from Sister Marguerite.

So, and then I was like, trying to remember what Sister Marguerite looked like. And I was like, is that the psychic? Because we didn't see her face. We didn't see her hair. And I thought they were going to save the reveal of that shock of red hair for later on. That would have been so cool. I would have really enjoyed that. But it is Tess who says, you know, I've heard about somebody. Where? Where?

Where did Tess hear about... Tess is a psychic. Just be like, I'm getting a feeling we should go there. Like, where in... Did Tyler Henry be like, you know, there's a nun? Well, Jason, first of all, yes, Tyler Henry has been a part of some difficult cases and has had hits. And by the way, Moby didn't believe in any of that sort of stuff and Tyler Henry convinced him. So here's the thing. I'll say this. Moby... Moby...

I'm double out now. So now, and then sometimes Tyler Henry will show up to somebody and be like, I don't have anything. And they're like, okay, cool, thanks. That's why I really believe him. Me too. He's not afraid to be like, I got nothing for you. Just like Jeff Probst. So, Boston Rob. 20 seasons ago.

That did not go as well, I feel like, as you wanted it to. Boston's not going to give it up for that. No, because I have not watched Survivor. June and I now... June and I just started watching Survivor, the TV show, in its 45th season.

And we have gone backwards and now all we do is watch Survivor with our kids and I feel Boston Rob is just alive as he, I mean, he is alive. Wait a minute. He's very much alive. I follow him on Instagram. That sounds like a threat.

Wait, oh, you were talking about the humor of this movie. And I think Tess is just too low-key. Because she delivers a lot of jokes without any spin. Because at one point he's like, well, you're a psychic. How'd you know my number? And she's like, I had a friend at the phone company. And that was a funny... She's like, well, that. I had a friend at the phone company. She delivers it with no...

It's just like, I had a friend at the phone company. You are unfortunately giving it more comedy than it had in the movie. But I also think Lou Diamond Phillips is like, hey, the cops will pay for that. I'm like, is that a joke? You're saying it in a way that I'm like, are the cops going to pay for that? And he's like, actually, the lieutenant will pay for it. I'm like...

Again, is this a joke? I don't think that. So I actually thought about that for a while. The fact that he pinned. Because he not only says Lieutenant Grimes is going to pay for it, but he's going to say he's going to personally pay for it. And I'm like, this lieutenant, he just was put on this case by the higher up. And spoiler alert, he's about to be dead. That's right. This guy is never getting that car paid for. Because he's calling a guy who's fucking deadzo.

By the way, our enemy, besides our serial killer, is this lieutenant who is very level-headed. He's like, motherfucker, four more people have died. You're off the case. It's not like, you're crazy. It's like, no, no, it's clearly not working. It's also like you broke into the psychic's house, kidnapped her, brought her to a crime scene. And Lou Diamond Phillips is legitimately not a good...

a good cop who plays by his own rules, Bosh, but he's a bad cop who doesn't play by rules at all and is just lost. It's like they gave a badge to a little kid and were like, go fix it! And he's just like, well, my gun is the answer to every problem in this. Well, this movie is...

written by a little kid because the cigarettes, the champagne. I would believe that. Because at one point when they go to the bar and she's like, listen up, McGuire, there must be a leak in your ceiling because this is watered down scotch. And I love the guy's like, I'm not McGuire. Like, that to me, like I feel like she just knew the name of the bar was McGuire's and she's like, well, you must be the proprietor, Mr. McGuire's.

Right, it's like assuming a salesperson is Macy's. Listen up, Macy's. What's so strange is like she's a psychic. She would know he's not McGuire. Yeah. She'd also know that that was watered down before she even tasted it. But then she took the bottle with her. Or she took another bottle, but why wouldn't that one be watered down too? I think she was saying like they're all watered down, but at least I'm going to get a bottle's worth.

Like, to get the drink I want, I have to drink this entire bottle. I would love it if the movie had an eight-minute, they're absolutely wasted scene. The movie's not interested in having fun at all. Like, zero. If the bad guy was more like Freddy Krueger, he's already doing incredible work.

Let me be clear. But if it was a little bit more, if Lou Diamond Phillips and Tess had, if Tess even was less of a sultry, I don't know, less of a sultry psychic and more of a kooky psychic that he was saddled with, that dynamic would be funny. Or if he was capable even remotely, then we've got something. But everybody in the movie is not good at the thing they're supposed to be the best at.

No, but you know what? I am interested in that computer site that she's building. Let's go to the audience and chat with them. I also want to know, why does every water filtration facility have an acid bath such that you could create the Joker in it? Okay, so I thought for sure what they were going to do was create holy water and then throw him in it. I love that.

I love that, but no. Paul is just rifling through papers over there. Well, I'm going out to the audience because I have a couple of things from our Discord, so I want to make sure that people in the Discord might get a chance to have their voice heard. But you, you had your hand raised, right? Okay. All right, so your name and your question.

My name is Ben, and my big question is, why is anyone running from anything when someone can just transport to another person in front of them? Why run at all? There's a lot. There's so much. I would say if you put it all together, maybe we can have Avril do a super cut. If you put it all together, I believe there's 45 minutes of just running. Okay, I will say this. The original title of this movie was Transit.

Why? Because he's transiting, like he's moving around, and then they decided to call it First Power. So you're telling me the movie in its initial version of it had nothing to do with the power? It did, but it was more about the body moving in transit. Boom.

No thanks. I will say, I want to say, Paul, just quickly, something positive about the movie. I do think it is always a nice, it's a relief when filmmakers set their movies and stories in L.A. and don't take on Hollywood. And boy, this movie didn't. There is no reference to L.A. being an industry town. Uh-oh, June, hold up.

Because Tess does say, I'm used to telling people if their pilots get picked up or not. Oh, funny. And I thought that was a great, I was like, oh, that would be a great person to chat with. I also would have loved it if Lou Diamond Phillips ever called for backup or even had a radio. No radio? The only time the radio is used is when the Satan person is

calls Lou Diamond Phillips radio to say Lou Diamond Phillips is going to get killed. Your name and your question. My name is John, and in America, the average time between conviction and the death sentence is 12 years, and in California, it's actually close to 20 years.

So are we supposed to believe that LDP just aged very gracefully? I believe this movie posits a world in which it was like the trial was a day. At five o'clock, they were like guilty. By six, he was fried. Absolutely. Yes, you're right. Yeah, because that's the way it works. Also, why do you know that? That's the way it works. When you really want it to happen, it can happen very quickly. And this is why the movie is anti-death penalty. Okay.

Your name and your question. Hi, I'm Cass. So I just wanted to talk about the introduction to Tess in that parking garage. She just cuts off this guy. Like this very entitled rich psychic would, I guess. So I just wanted to bring that up. She's a terrible person. Is she using her psychic powers to know exactly where the parking spot is going to be?

So that she can snipe it? I didn't know what we were to make of that. Yeah, I think that she's a dick. I mean, right? That's kind of the energy that she's giving off. Everybody here is very cocky. Boston? I agree. But there's one point... Look at them cheering for it.

There's one point in the movie where Tess says, I saw you celebrating on TV that he got the death penalty. What interview was that? Yeah. It was so strange because in that moment it felt like she had seen the movie. I was going to say, I think she had seen dailies from the scene where they're celebrating in the police precinct. All right, your name and your question.

My name is Olivia, and I want to ask about the scene where he's supposed to be being put to death, and when he's coming out of the glass, it's definitely a stunt double coming out. And it completely changes the space, and we actually had an argument of was it intentional or unintentional. Oh, right. Was that a part of the psychic thing? Did he take over somebody's body? No, but there's someone else that comes out. Like, it's not... Well, yeah, a stunt double, yeah. And you're saying...

It's clearly someone else's face when he comes out. A stunt double, yeah. It's so noticeable. Yeah, like a stunt double, yeah. See, these are things... There's a great joke in Space Falls about it. So we're to believe that in the making of the movie...

A different person jumped out of the glass. And the question, Darian, is, is the character inhabiting the body of the stunt though? That's power number four. Power number four? That's the Tom Cruise power where he just does all of his own stunts until he dies. All right. I was about to leave, but someone showed me. They may have the best question because their name is Tess.

We can't pass up someone. Are they psychic? We'll see. I feel like in a room this size, there's like 30 people who think they're psychic. A little bit. By applause, are you psychic? By applause, anyone think they're... Two up here. These two over here. Anybody down here? Anybody? She thinks she's psychic? Raise your hand if you think you're a little bit psychic. Jason, to your right. Look at this. Oh, yeah. To my left, yes. To your left. Look at this. There's a lot of people...

so many people who think they're a little bit psychic. Okay, yes, your question, Tess. So, in the beginning of the movie, when Lou Diamond Phillips is with his partner and his partner doesn't want to go out, he says, what are you scared of? Some kind of boogeyman? Or the Ku Klux Klan? laughter

So my question is, in this universe, we already know that the Catholic religion is a little bit different. In this universe, is the Ku Klux Klan a fictional sort of creature?

Yeah, they're putting the same sentence. It's a great question. Well, it's really, it's so upsetting for Michael T. Williamson because it's also, he's nervous. He's like, hey, what are you doing? We shouldn't be doing all this. Blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. And then Tess says to him, you're in danger. Then,

Then Luke Diamond Phillips is like, shut up. We're going down to this place. We're going to go to this church. We're going down here. Cut to, he gets trampled by the horse. And I desperately wanted his last line to be not, I saw him. It was him. For him to say, I told you. You did this. My blood is on your hands.

See, my question is, why does Tess keep on pulling out some sort of medallion of the pentagram upside down as though it's a cross? Yes, and he's a vampire. Right, but it has no, it does nothing. The first time she uses it, it seems to kind of

dissuade him from kids. But just a little bit. Nothing like, he's not like, ah! He's just kind of like, okay, okay. I thought he was just like, what is this? And then the next time she holds it up, he's like, you're holding it upside down. Ah! It's like, oh, boy, did I wish he had more Freddy Krueger energy. I will say, I love this theater. People here are lovely, but I ran right down into the lobby. People let me run right into a janitorial closet.

I walked by four employees. They do want you to clean up some puke in the balcony. Oh, you didn't realize that. I was like, hey. All right. And no one said a word. And everybody in the lobby is like, look at this fucking idiot. Doesn't even know the schematics of the Chevalier. He wasn't here for the doughboys. He didn't see Frailbot here or Wu-Tang. The one funny moment of that. Dano.

Was I ran out into... Micus. Sorry. Jay Leno in 1989. I ran out into the lobby and there's clearly somebody who is here at the show and goes, oh, you're the dude from TV. To which... Wow. I have a lot of questions. Wow. Clearly an audience member. Wait, were you... He was at the bar. Were you in the balcony? I came down. I was in where the liquor was. Because that wouldn't surprise me from the balcony. These people are fucking morons.

Man. I like that I surprised him. You're the dude from TV. I love that he's like, what have you been up to lately? Hey, hold that thought. I got to go watch this show with a dude from TV. I know. Yeah, I'm watching this show. It sucks. Is there another show after this one? Can I get two more 40s? Can I get a couple more tall boys?

Well, clearly we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. I thought Jesus only could do simple things Like walk on water, heal the blind and sick But then this movie taught me He possesses too He can see the future, so can you Sister Marguerite made me a believer

Not a trace of doubt in my mind. Bag lady spins. See you later, buddy boy. Tell me your name. Tell me your name. I'm Dan and she's Kendall. She's running away. She fled. You did a great job. That was awesome. Great work, you guys. So, not surprisingly, this movie has very high five-star review ratings.

78% of the reviews are five star reviews. 78%, okay. Only 5% are one star. And this first one is from Kim. She writes, entertainment! The title, it's very scary. Five stars. I like this one from Ivan who writes this.

Anyone looking for an early 90s action thriller featuring Lou Diamond Phillips will not be disappointed. Five stars. How often are you just flipping through being like, all I want to watch is an early 90s thriller with Lou Diamond Phillips. Not wrong. Teresa Johnson titles her review The First Power.

and writes this back in 2001. And it's all in caps. I loved this movie. As a matter of fact, I just watched it yesterday. Lou is a great actor, and I can honestly say that I enjoyed all of his movies I've ever seen him in. And this is my first time reviewing a movie, but not my last. Note, she did not review anything else on Amazon. No.

Yet. Yet. Nothing has risen to good. A couple interesting things about this. This movie was the favorite film of late rapper Eazy-E. The music for the first power was all done by Stuart Copeland, the drummer and founding member of the police. So interesting there. Budget of this movie?

10 mil. Okay. Right? Gross? 22.4. It was a hit. Okay. It was a hit. A little hit, but it was a hit. And it's got a lot of that. There's a lot of stunts. There's a lot of practical stunt stuff that's happening. When they drive the car off of the other car, both of them would be evaporated. Both of them would be exploded into dust. And they walk away like, oh, well.

By the way, at that point, doesn't the homeless woman just vanish? She pops up from the back seat. But then when he gets up, I watch that three times. She and Tess are gone. But how? Magic. Okay. I think it's magic, and I wish it was more explicitly said so. I will say this. I didn't know we were going to do this, but when we announced that we were doing this movie...

I got a text from one of the actors in the film who also said that they would like to show up and it was from the horse. And the horse said he's ready to come back for a sequel. Wow. Yeah. He feels like there's unfinished business and he had a great time shooting it. And no, those weren't his hooves. A lot of special effects magic. LDP is great.

And he has some negative things to say about Jeff Korber. But okay. But so the horse is in. What do you recommend this movie? Yes. Listen, as far as these movies go and the work that we do here, I've found this movie to be very watchable. I did enjoy watching it. Of course, as someone was blowing out my hair at about 4 p.m. today and I was watching it with earphones in and I didn't explain to this stranger what

Why I was watching it and why I was taking, you know, copious notes. But I did enjoy it. I found it, I liked it.

I agree. I agree. This is a very watchable movie. It goes through real smooth. We are also mentally ill from this podcast. I'm going to say this. That's the problem. I watched this movie today. I also watched most of tomorrow's movie, which is Jonathan Livingston Seagull, a movie in which I genuinely was like, I might not survive this viewing.

Because it's so insane. We're not well. So this is so fun compared to that that I was like, thank God this movie is at least having a good time. Now, if I saw this movie in 1990, I would have been furious. Yes.

I would have been like, how dare you show me this and pretend it's a movie. Absolutely not. I just, I like this movie. I think there was too much potential that wasn't paid off. It could have been a great movie. Of course. I do think a better cop could, I feel like Lou Diamond Phillips picked it up.

picked cigarettes and long coat, and that was it. And I feel like they needed a little bit more. And the cat. I think the movie's mistake was making it about the cops. The most interesting story that's happening is Tess's. Or Nundercover. Or Sister. Or Nundercover. But

The psychic story is really interesting because for so much of the movie, she's not being trusted. She knows truths. She has information. And part of the problem is that she's just along for the ride with this guy who's not interested in what she has to contribute. And it would be much better if she was the main character. And even if he had the same M.O., he was reduced in size to just being somebody who wasn't... Like Honey, I Shrunk the Lou Diamond Phelps? Yeah, if he was...

Yes, if he was teeny tiny, fit in a backpack. If he arrived at every scene in a... Hey, you! This is blue!

I loved, because I loved too, I also wish we'd gotten more of the villain's story. Because we get the scene with the grandmother and the, you know, you're that cop, go to hell! Go to hell! Go to hell! I was like, give this woman 15 minutes of screen time. Give me more with this...

insane character. I was like, every moment that was fun, the religious assassins, all the stuff they were like, we're not interested in that. Yes, the movie's not interested in those things. They're like, get LDP smoking again.

But the movie also fails because the sequel is that they didn't save the day and we don't know anything else. Like he's just in a hospital room. He's like, all right, buddy boy, let's go round two. Imagine if the movie had been about Tess. She goes through the whole thing. Lou Diamond Phillips is helping, blah, blah, blah. And we had that scene in them early on with the thing. And we revealed that he's the killer. He has been possessed. And her only ally is now also trying to kill her. Way more interesting.

That's the sequel. All right. You have been fantastic. Now, let's talk about T-shirts. Yeah. Go ahead. LDPPD. That's pretty good. That's really good. We did it, Boston! Thank you, Jason. Thank you, June. Thank you, Beth. Eat shit, assholes! Thank you for coming out. We love being here. We'll see you next time. Bye for now.

All right, that's our show. Thank you to the Chevalier Theater, our amazing tour manager, Beth Thomas. And if you want to feel like you were in the audience that night, well, you can get a shirt that that audience designed. That's right, that audience designed an amazing shirt. It's a shirt that I like to call the LDPPD, a.k.a.

Lou Diamond Phillips Police Department with a police badge that says to resurrect, possess, and to see the future. You can snag the shirt at tpublic.com slash stores slash hdtgm. You can also buy every shirt made from the Summer Tour right there as well. You can get them as stickers or mugs or t-shirts or hoodies. It's

It's pretty amazing what you can do on that site. I love it. I bought some stickers the other day. We also designed a brand new shirt. If you're going to come out and see how did this get made live, it just says Parents Night Out because we know that a lot of parents are coming out to see us and we appreciate it. So now you can have your special Parents Night Out shirt. All right. If you have a correction, an omission, anything that you would like to add to our discussion about the great parents,

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