X Marks the Feud (with Jonathan Martin)
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Hey, pull up a chair. It's Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy. You know, I was like disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, not just decrease it. And it reminds the work that the Doge team is doing. I think a bill can be big or it can be beautiful. I don't know if it can be both. My personal opinion.

I've always liked Elon, and that's why I was very surprised. Elon and I had a great relationship. I don't know if we're well anymore. I was surprised, but I'm very disappointed in Elon. I've helped Elon a lot. Hello, hackaroos. Murphy here. Well, predictable. It's predictable week, and predictably, we could not resist a quick special edition of Hacks on Tap.

with the great Elon Trump meltdown. Not a shocker, but oh, such good entertainment. I tweeted yesterday, I could not wish for a better birthday present, which was yesterday. I'm going out after this recording to get carbon dated. But boy, it made my day, and I think it entertained a lot of people. So to decode it, FB,

Axe is giving a commencement speech at, I think, Buzz O'Reilly School of Welding in Cook County somewhere, and Heilman's got a gig. So I'm flying solo, but I needed the voice of reason, the voice of insight, the king, and a great friend of the show and frequent guest, the one and only Jonathan Martin from Politico is here to help do a little mini-sode on Elon and Trump. The bromance has ended. Right.

Thanks, Murph. I'm reminded of the great line about Bob Benedict when he got indicted, which is, it's only the ones you most expect.

Was this the most predictable breakup? I mean, this is like Bieber level inevitable, right? I mean, we knew this was coming. Yeah, yeah, we did. It lasted a little longer than I thought. But I am enjoying the spectacular social media. You know, they each went to their own platforms to trash each other after the phony incident.

the phony loving at the White House on the way out. Well, I think, why don't we start with a quick...

We do the origin story here. How do we I knew it was going to hell when Jared Isaacman and disclaimer, he's a friend of mine who was Trump's appointee urged upon him by Elon to run NASA, a rare Trump appointee that was highly on a bipartisan basis respected and was going to sail through the Senate. The building at NASA was excited because he's a real space guy.

And all of a sudden that thing went sideways on this trumped up charge that Isaacson had given money to Democrats, which he had, but he told Trump about it on day one. It was no surprise. And I thought, ooh, ooh, ooh, now it's going to escalate and cut to. But give me your take on how we – what sparked the final –

the final showdown here. Yeah. Yeah. How do we land that at Monday night raw at the Hartford civic center with the, um, the chair, the plastic chair. Who's the heel. We have two heels here. This is, yeah, that's true. This is, this is, this is heel on the, although I guess in MAGA and MAGA terms, I guess, I guess Elon turned heel yesterday though. Yeah, exactly. Well, he dropped the Epstein flying elbow bomb secret list, uh,

haymaker item, which is the MAGA world equivalent of your mama wears army boots. Man, wait, take it away. Yeah, look, both wanted something from the other. They had a symbiotic relationship. You know, Trump wanted Elon's money and he got it in the campaign.

And Elon wanted to be around like a candidate and then a president who was world famous and in a different realm than Elon. And if you're Elon and you're the world's richest man and you've lived in the business world, lived in the tech world, well, like you're curious for what else is out there and what you haven't done. If you've done money, you haven't done the world of real power yet. And so I think for Elon, it was an entree to the world of power. Yeah.

And he liked it. He liked it a lot. And I think both of them were enjoying each other for those reasons. But it was always a tenuous relationship, if for no other reason, that they're like two of the world's thirstiest men. And there was not going to be room for them in the same squared circle. And especially with Trump, like.

Trump is a one-man act, Murph, and there was never going to be space for two men on that stage. So it was always inevitable that Trump would elbow Elon off the stage. I think what accelerated this, frankly, was less Trump than Trump's inner circle that got much more tired of the Elon act. Yeah, a lot quicker, too. You know, you could tell they were all gunning for him.

Yeah, no, I joked last week on TV. I said, you know, Trump gave Elon the key to the White House. What he didn't tell Elon was that his staff changed the locks after he did. Trump's high command was sick of the distractions, tired of the weirdness, and just wanted to have their own MAGA Trump, Bedminster, Mar-a-Lago world that they were used to in the pre-Elon days.

And I think they hasten the action. Yeah, no, I totally agree. I think Elon short-circuited all the various lick spittles in the White House. And, you know, they didn't like having that wild card there. And it's not like the Doge thing was some big political success. They were feeling nothing but political pain from that from almost day one. I agree with you. You know, I had this experience. I had a fairly famous person way back in the Bush administration, Donald

come in to visit Vice President Cheney. And his big takeaway to me was, boy, I've seen a lot of Hollywood power, but it's nothing like political power when you're walking around the White House. And I think that's been true of other celeb Hollywood types. And I think Elon had a total case of that. And then he got to go run amok in the government with his core of 25-year-old, where's the payroll computer? We're just stop paying bills. Boom, we've solved the deficit.

squad, which was a complete political disaster, but also got him a lot of attention. And, you know, I've seen some polling pre the breakup where Elon was pushing a 70 percent favorable for Republicans. That's up in Trump territory, you know, not as high as Trump, but within

close enough to be a problem. But he was overall more unpopular than Trump, which is also part of the problem. Part of the problem was that he was a drag on Trump, you know. Well, and we've all said that Elon can take heat, and when he's no longer useful, he can get jettisoned. So I think there's some of that going on, too. And Merck and Wanner, I think, too, is that Trump was never committed to the Doge project ideologically because Trump isn't an ideologue.

Right, exactly. You know, we're going to slim down the federal government, cut the fact like Trump doesn't care about small government conservatism. Trump cares about getting good clips for Trump. Like Trump's idea of success is good coverage and doing big, beautiful wins. It's not.

Hey, we slashed X number of dollars For the out years for so-and-so agency It's like, he doesn't give a shit about that And so the idea That Trump was somehow going to be invested in this Because Elon was making a real difference In cutting government Is a total misery to Trump And in any event

Elon wasn't doing that. He was doing like Tom Coburn style, exotic earmark detective work. Can you believe we're spending $5 million a year to study the DNA of the Department of Education?

You know, if it's strung end to end, they'd be enough to circle the Canada three times. Exactly. Let's go kill USAID, which is... Anyway, don't get me started. People who have listened to the pod have heard me go on and on about that tragedy. But yeah, I agree. Elon was...

unsupervised, and Elon will accept no supervision, and became a liability. And then the personal, weird, double, triple, egomaniacal stuff fired up. Though there's one interesting little Republican signal in the Elon stuff that's going to be interesting to watch, because the one

fissure. The one thing, and Ukraine, and we're talking about that in a little while, you've got a great column on it, but the one thing that some Republicans have dug in to fight scary Trump on is this idea of massive spending, which used to be a core central Republican thing. Now, often...

if you're honest about it, a little more rhetorical. I mean, the Democrats would spend like drunken sailors and Republicans would spend like tipsy sailors, you know, but would then complain about spending. But still, it was a fundamental principle of the party, at least in my day there for decades.

And that's gone out the window with Trump because, as you say, he's all transaction and where's the camera and me, me, me and pandering and populism and all the stuff that I don't like about him. Elon is hitting a chord that has some strength. And you can see it in the pushback in the House with the Freedom Caucus. You can see it in some of these senators that are worried not only about the politics of cutting Medicare, etc.,

But the deficit side of it. So Elon has found kind of a nerve point to push here. It's the truth that dare not speak its name, which is the most hardcore fiscal conservatives in Congress are the ones whose districts...

love Trump, but whose members in many cases are wary of Trump. And in some cases were either for DeSantis or on the sidelines in the primary last year because they're actually true believers and they know Trump is not. Right. No, deep down, they know he's a fraud ideologically. Right. But their voters love him. And so it's like. So they're squeezed. So we have all this drama over every spending bill or debt ceiling increase because they don't want to do it because it violates their principles. But the

But they ultimately do it because they know that the underlying bill is irrelevant and that Trump is the one whose name is on the bill. And everything's an up or down on Trump and Trump's personality. And like, that's what moves their voters, not the actual substance anymore.

They don't want to come to terms with that, but they are tacitly accepting it by voting aye every time. Yeah, yeah. And then kind of locking eyes across the floor and thinking, oh, God, here we go again. And then complaining once more about the next bill. Exactly. Let's do the tail of the tape. In one corner...

We have tarantula trump, you know, full of venom, very big spider, big choppers, a lot of legs. On the other word, say we have scorpion elon, deadly stinger. So let's line up how this thing may go. I would say on the elon side, he has X. He has the algos. He has the ability to spread poison.

That's a formidable thing, I think. Second, the big wallet. He has not been shy about IE spending, both in House and Senate races, but also famously in the campaign. I think it was all overrated. I actually think that we started this debate with two big lies. Trump lying that this is about EVs. Elon's always been against the subsidies because he thinks they help his economy.

competition, like any businessman in the JP Morgan tradition. He thinks his only real enemy is competition. And so Trump's wrong about that. Other reasons are why the schism happened. And Elon's wrong that it wasn't for him Trump wouldn't have won Pennsylvania. I don't believe that was the sole factor. But it's a lot of money. And I know the leadership, and I'm sure you've heard this for the last year, has been telling shaky members, hey, Elon's going to come in and drop $20 million on your congressional district to wipe you out in the primaries.

sit down, shut up and vote aye. So now the X factor and the money factor may line up against Trump. I mean, I think Elon will start to tease, you know, I'm hearing some, some Republican congressmen that shouldn't come back. Maybe they need an IE. I mean, that's gotta be the next thing. Yeah. The question is, is Elon organized and steadfast and, um,

reliable, frankly, enough to actually sustain that kind of spending? And does he have political lieutenants who would actually pursue that against incumbent members of Congress? Color me skeptical that he has the attention span to do just that. But there's no question that his biggest asset is his money. And also, I talked to some Democrats yesterday in 25 and 26 in both cycles, this year and next year,

And they're breathing a sigh of relief because for now, at least, they don't think he's going to be spending that much on campaigns. And by the way, if you go back 10 days before the SPAC, check, you did a couple of interviews. Right, right. I saw that. One of them, he said, Mike, he's not going to be spending that much money in politics anymore.

That's before this fact. Well, and he's under so much pressure at Tesla because he's destroyed the brand, wiped out half the market cap, basically ruined the business in Europe. So he has been sending a signal, I'm kind of done with politics until now. That's the upjump.

He walks away from 25 and 26. That's a gift for Democrats and takes away money the Republicans need. I'm with you on his impact last year, Mike. I think the higher on the ballot you go, the less money matters politically. I just don't think it had that much impact on the presidential race.

Well, you know, my favorite thing, just a quick sidebar because it drives me crazy. I've had some people and there's been there's been kind of lazy political writing about this saying, well, Elon cleverly used, you know, his genius algorithm and high tech stuff that nobody understands.

to carry the Amish vote in Pennsylvania and swing the election to Trump. And I keep hearing that from people. It's dead wrong. So, first of all, how do you digitally target the Amish? Smartphones or their laptops? They don't use those things. Well, no, it was billboards. They spent allegedly tens and tens of millions of dollars on billboards.

So basically, the net change between 2020 and 2024, when Biden won and Trump won in that same heavily Amish county, was a net change of only about 1,700 votes. So the net change between 2020 and 2024, when Biden won and Trump won in that same heavily Amish county, was a net change of only about 1,700 votes.

So, you know, in Trump's favor, minuscule, irrelevant. But apparently Trump, at least in these clips, spent 90 million on billboards. So I guarantee you there is an Amish billboard salesman somewhere with a gold plated horse and buggy driving around because biggest scam ever. So I think depends on anything massively overrated.

Elon probably believes it because consultancy was paying told him it was you, sir. Why are another 10 million? Sure. Exactly. Yeah. So anyway, just a little rant for our listeners in the political consultancy. I think we ought to introduce something here that's important, which is,

If we are in the midst of a WWF storyline turn and Elon has turned heel with MAGA, the next turn of this story will be Elon coming back to the MAGA. Exactly. Exactly. I think in the short term, the fight – well, let me get back to the money thing because I agree. Sure.

A lot of congressional planning on both sides was worrying a lot about Elon. Now we're down to three scenarios, and two of them are good for the Dems. One, Elon goes away. Well, there's $200 million or whatever of offensive Republican Elon congressional spending. Gone, gone, gone. Win for the Dees.

Two, he turns a little and starts poking at certain Republicans and just becomes a spending problem. To what degree, who knows? But anything like that, good for the Ds. And the only other scenario that's not good for the Ds is exactly what you're getting at, which is after an entertaining reality TV show pro wrestling spat here, we have, you know, Trump's got the Ukraine strangler on him and all of a sudden out of nowhere under the, who is that? Oh my

God, it's Elon Musk with the steel chair. You know, he's back. And now he's on Trump's side again, which, of course, if life imitates art, is the natural arc in our cheesy pop culture politics going forward. But I don't know. Two angry billionaires, you know, they're nipping at each other. And we haven't really done all the ways that Trump can hurt Elon, who's very vulnerable in a business way right now. No, totally. Because of this contract. I just think

you know, I think Vegas this morning is, is probably setting the line at Labor Day, Mike, for the rapprochement between Elon and Trump here because they, they both kind of need something, need something from the other. And I, I just have a hard time seeing this as a, as a permanent deal. Look,

Look, Trump, to borrow from Kissinger, no permanent friends, no permanent enemies. Trump will always take folks back. In fact, he kind of likes people who come back and bend the knee. Look at Bannon. He called Steve Bannon Sloppy Steve and exiled him into outer space, and now Bannon's back as one of his top lieutenants. I mean, it's a long list of folks that have

And there's a lot of time for the turn here. I'll pitch. I'll take a little later on the calendar that if it happens, Trump will let this thing cook because he'll want to start the year with a bang. And, you know, the other guy's going to have heartburn during this, during at least a feud, which could go permanent. I mean, I think there are forces that want to, as you say, realign them. But again,

it's not so good for J.D. Vance because Elon still impeached Trump, replaced him with Vance, Vance, Vance. So now J.D.'s got to go out and clobber Elon a little to stay on the tag team. Oh, yes. That was an interesting sub-thread last night, Mike. It was after Elon did the impeach Trump and replace him with Vance. And Vance had to go online and do some obviously forced bad. I think he said like

Trump has done more than any person in my lifetime to earn the trust of the movement he leads. I'm proud to stand beside him. Totally subtle. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Scorpions in a bottle. Well, speaking of Musk, I think there's one huge thing that could be really bad for Elon. As everybody knows, I'm in the American EV jobs business and

So Tesla's really gotten hit, the brand has, and the quarter's going to be a lot of bad stuff going on at Tesla. And Elon has been scrambling to kind of reassure even – he's kind of got a rubber stamp board, but nervous, nervous, nervous. So Tesla's most profitable business, literally a printing press where they print billions of dollars –

is selling credits to other car companies. Because if you're Jonathan Martin Motors and you can't hit the very aggressive EPA standards for mileage, what you do, the fine you pay is you buy credits, which Elon sells you because he generates a lot of not having any gas cars coming out. He can sell his...

exceeding normal emission standards. That's a multi-billion dollar pure profit business, both here and in Europe for Elon. And I've been hearing around the car industry for a while, and now more around the regulatory industry. In fact, there's a guy running in an open state Senate seat named Brian Goldsmith, who's a good friend. He's probably the front runner there. He tweeted this yesterday, and I think it's going to catch on with Democrats.

And I think it might appeal to Trump people wanting to squeeze Elon, which is, wait a minute. Why do we force other car companies to pay billions of dollars to Tesla?

Shouldn't that money go to a government fund, a MAGA statue from Trump, infrastructure fund to build chargers and stuff like that, replace the Neve formula? You know, there are a lot of other places if you're trying to force slash incentivize ICE car companies to meet more aggressive standards that any money penalty could go rather than be a huge corporate welfare boondoggle for Elon, which has been saved the company a couple of times.

without that subsidy sales to other car companies, he's not profitable. So anyway, that would be a stake in the heart of Tesla.

And at least as a business, we're weapons here. Yeah, true. Again, but it's kind of like Elon with political spending. It requires Trump to have focus, dedication and like some some train of attention here, actually. And I'm just not sure he's got that now. He has folks around him who, if they wanted to, could really punish Elon when it comes to his businesses.

But they'd have to get Trump's approval. And like you can see them going off and doing that. And then Elon calls Trump, apologizes. And Trump says to his people, what the hell are you doing punishing Elon? Stop doing that. You know? Yeah. Well, I think we're going to see a world class case of slowly I turn step by step here where they both are posturing at each other for a while, feeding the inferno.

Last night, Elon was saying online, because somebody said, you know, you guys should cool off. And Elon said, you're probably right. Yeah, yeah. Well, Elon is so mercurial. So it's interesting. This thing could snuff out quickly. I think it'll go for a while. But ultimately,

Ultimately, we're going to see him, I think, negotiate through social media, hit, hit, hit, and then throw one nice thing and then the other. Because I think neither of them, as you said earlier on the pod here, want World War III. But boy, they sure have a lot of tools. It is kind of a mutual assured destruction deal, though I think Trump can ultimately hurt Elon more than Elon can hurt Trump. My favorite, my favorite, first.

Perfect. As Bo Derek would say, the perfect 10. Trump told Dana Bash this morning who called him on his cell phone because, of course, the city president has a cell phone and takes calls from the press. God love him for doing that. He said, he said, I'm not even thinking about Elon, which is great. Right. Because I'm sure Trump has thought about it for more than, I don't know, five hours. We're two tweets away from Trump thinking.

thinking a lot about him this afternoon. It reminded me of when Trump said that he doesn't follow the stock market anymore. You know, it's kind of funny to watch two habitual truth slaughterers try to fight. Oh boy, this is good. I hope it goes on for, for, for a while here. Although I have to admit wearing the EV hat one, one time,

one final time before I plug a pod at the end of the pod here, that it's not good for EVs because there's been a little shaft of light to not wipe out these subsidies. Oh, they're the biggest winners. It is unbelievable. That's the problem. We've never broken the equation, particularly on the Republican side. Oh, these are just Biden-Liberal mobiles. Well, one, go drive one. It's a better car for about 85% of applications.

Two, people don't understand that the Chinese are – they make far more cars than we do. Actually, there are 100 car companies in China. Only two are profitable, but the government is propping them up, and they're invading foreign markets with very good cars at a low price. So I had the head of a famous auto company tell me, you know, it's no sure thing that in 10 or 15 years we still exist.

unless we really can start to export like we used to and we get on top of EVs, which are worldwide. They're the future market. And our own government's in our way in a massive way. And they just don't understand that we may be gone

Household name company. So anyway, this will harden Trump because there was some there's some action on the Senate to lighten up and not go cold turkey on these subsidies, which is a gift to China. We might as well just give them five aircraft carriers. But now I'm sure at least as long as the spat continues, Trump will just dig in because in his addled mind, Elon equals EVs. And it's everybody but Elon is going to get punished here, including about 200,000 American manufacturing jobs.

So, anyway, that's my rant. The Senate could tweak the House bill to, I think, restore some of the EV credits. I think there is an appetite for that among a handful of folks in the Senate. Yeah, I agree. Though, who knows now? Trump may dig in.

Right. If Trump sees the beads as Elon and they're still in the feud, then that could create a challenge. Although I still tend to think that Trump will sign whatever they eventually put on his desk. I think so. And the best we could get now instead of cold turkey on the consumer credits is maybe a two year phase out, which would still be compared to a cold turkey thing, a big win. And some of the plant stuff is vital and the battery factories are really important. But we will we will see. We'll be right back with Hacks on Tap.

Let's pivot to the other big issue in the Senate besides the big, beautiful

Maybe not so beautiful, maybe completely awful bill. You had a column today about the basically there's massive bipartisan consensus now to get out the tongs on Putin with really tough sanctions that, you know, hit him right between his beady eyes. As we do this, he's been bombing the hell out of the Ukraine again. I think four or five people killed because, you know, one big difference here and this doesn't get enough press.

The Russians are doing classic, you know, counter value war. We'll just burn the cities, kill every Ukrainian we can just fire hypersonic missiles. Who cares where they land as long as there are people there? Well, the Ukrainian stuff is all very targeted. They really, for the most part, have been very light on civilians, at least by design. There's always accidental things.

The Senate is fed up, right? Tell me about your column. And will they box in Trump, who I think was madder at the Ukrainians than he is at the Russians after the Ukrainian drone attack?

There and therein lies the challenge is that Trump does not view this through the prism of or standing with Ukraine against Russian aggression. He views this in the prism of this is a pain in the ass for me. I wish these two countries would stop fighting because it's a bad story for me. And that's why he always says it wouldn't have happened if I was president. He just wants it to end because he's tired of the distraction. Yeah, Putin is stealing all his press. How dare he?

There may be no bigger gulf between the congressional Republicans, certainly the Senate Republicans and Trump than, than Russia. I mean, the Senate GOP still has the DNA of Reagan. It is still largely a hawkish caucus up there. And that's why they've got, you know, 82 at last count co-sponsors, uh,

of this sanctions bill that Lindsey Graham is sponsoring. It's hard to get 82 sponsors for anything, let alone a massively punitive bill, which would do secondary sanctions, by the way, against countries that buy oil and gas from Russia. So effectively, you're going to starve their economy and kill off... Yeah, I mean, we should underline that. This thing is the brass knuckle sanctions that they've held back on.

This is right. If you smile at Putin, wham, you get American sanctions. And this has teeth. Here's how I look at it. Is there anything that this GOP Congress will do to force Trump's hand? And I think if there is, it's probably Putin. Because there is enough consensus in the Senate GOP to confront Putin. Here's where it gets a little more interesting is

I talked to a couple of senators, and they were basically saying out loud – and Newt, by the way, who knows from legislative sorcery, was saying this out loud too – which is you don't have to actually pass the bill through both chambers.

and have it go to Trump. A big Senate vote alone would be a powerful message across the Atlantic. And so that's kind of the wink, wink, nod, nod of, Mr. President, if you just don't say no, and in fact, don't say anything at all, we can pass this bill. And if you play your part and say,

oh boy, they're really after me to do this. I may have to sign this bill. That gives you additional leverage. Now, I'm not sure, Mike, that Trump can pull off that kind of stage management, but that's the idea. Yeah, yeah. No, Trump will always be paranoid about looking weak and not in control. So if it looks like they're bucking and that becomes a narrative, he'll react to squash it. But otherwise, it's a good tool for Trump. You want to get Putin to the table,

let the Senate growl at him in a really meaningful way. Because then Putin, people forget for all the dictatorship stuff and the iron fist, Putin has his own politics. And the economic stuff,

kills the 300 people around him, and he's got to pay attention to that. So I think this is the right kryptonite to try to slap them into some kind of better behavior. So I hope the Senate does pass it. You know, brass tacks here. Do Senate Republicans hate Putin more than they fear Trump? Right. That's the equation. You know, I think some of them, the answer is yes. I just don't know if Thune brings it up unless he's got at least a tacit okay from Trump in private to say,

If you want to do that, I'm not going to stop you. But you and I know that Trump would say that one day and the next day he would go on Twitter and say, I never told him to pass the, you know, who knows, right? So it's hard. Yeah. Or if it passes, well, they followed my orders. You know, I actually wrote the bill. Right. In a world where there's no truth, Trump has a lot of moving room. And the other thing, by the way, is there is still a kind of isolationist wing in the Senate GOP, which...

if Trump does not give the sign-off on this, I think would try to sort of prolong it or slow it, which could create challenges to internment. Right. And that's definitely where the House conference is. They're not where the Senate is. Yes. Yeah, Johnson would have a heavier lift. And I think Johnson, to pass it, may need, you know, an explicit public Trump green light, which I'm just skeptical he's ever going to. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think I'm in the same place on that. Okay. Well,

We'll be back with our regular show on Tuesday, but this Elon thing was too good to miss. Today will be an interesting day on Orwell Social. I'm wearing, by the way, my Make 1984 Fiction Again T-shirt here in honor of truth, unquote, social. And X, where that nasty little algorithm may be doing some work today. It's a good day to check it out, and we will see what happens. So I'm going to finish with a little house cleaning here.

Since we brought up the EV stuff, one, if you want to do something about giving the American auto industry to China, you can go to AmericanEVJobs.org. We have a little –

device there. It's free. You enter in your zip code. You find how many EV jobs are there. And you can, with one click, send your senators and congressmen an email saying, what the hell are you doing? Keep these consumer subsidies and build those plants. That's number one. Number two, we have a podcast hosted by the great Max Patton, who some car nuts will know, called Directly Current. And we interview all these young entrepreneurs who are doing amazing things in that whole world. And

And Harbinger Trucks, which is an amazing company. Electric Eros coming up, which is a big fix for many charging problems. Anyway, if you just like business and want to hear outside of the circus of politics where people are doing kind of amazing things, Max's podcast is a lot of fun. Of course, it covers a bunch of EV stuff, too. You can check it out. It's on all the platforms directly current. All right.

So those are all the commercials I'm able to slip in because Axelrod. There's a rumor he's at a Tesla dealership today, that he's gone 180 on Elon. We'll have to hunt that down on Tuesday. If you are at a Chicago dog track on Archer Avenue and you see a red Tesla with a hand from –

A handsome, late middle-aged, formerly mustachioed man. You know who it is. I think he once actually had a Pontiac Aztec, the Walter White car from Breaking Bad. I think I rode in that thing. I remember he had a hideous minivan type thing, and I think it was an Aztec. So I browbeat him into getting an EV. He wouldn't let me mention the brand online, but he took it back because the screen was too complicated.

And he's now in a hybrid. You got to get him to do one of those vitamin commercials, Murph, you know, where it's like, oh, look, I was skeptical, too, of the benefits. But ever since I got this thing.

I got more energy than I ever did. My wife said I'm a new man. Yeah, exactly. Changed everything. Even the mustache started growing back. All right. Well, enough writing on our buddy. Happy belated, Murph. Thank you for the special report, Jay Martin. Yes, sir. Stay tuned. We will be back Tuesday with the regular show. Thanks for tuning in.