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this is a great movie let's play let's play the trailer nothing else in nature can match its raw power its brute force its howling intensity its uncontrollable fury on may 10th it's coming the producers of jurassic park and the director of speed bring you face to face with twister

All right, Twister. A movie that I saw in the theater, didn't like that much. Didn't really like for a while that much. And then, begrudgingly, later in my life, really enjoyed it for what it is. I don't know why it took 25 years. Can you walk us back and tell us a little bit about 1996 Bill being like, eh? When I saw every movie. Yeah, and you didn't like Twister? I felt like it was foreshadowing this era that I knew was coming.

And it made me mad. And I did not want to like where we were heading with summer blockbusters, with special effects, even though the special effects in this turned out to be really cool. It just felt like something was shifting and I didn't like where we were going. And I think I held this movie unfairly. I watched it twice in the last week. I actually like it more than I've ever liked it in my life.

And one of the reasons, Van, special effects, old school. Even though there's some CGI stuff, but it really feels like the actors are in actual danger, which is a sensation I don't get as much anymore when I watch these movies. Yeah. Because everything is so carefully done now. You think about a tornado and the chaotic nature of it. Obviously, it's about the wind and all of that, but it's also about everything else that the tornado throws at you. So you have to believe that at any point, something's going to...

impale you or follow you in and boom boom boom and that the movie the intimacy of like that the movie gets that right like very easily it gets that right it's funny that you should say that you felt like this was a harbinger of things to come because I look back on it as like the way things used to be right and especially the cast are just normal people like it's just like ordinary people extraordinary situations but like

You just look at Hoffman and all the guys in Helen Hunt's crew and the way Paxton is dressed and the way people look and what they're concerned about. It's just not superhero shit. It's just normal person stuff with a couple of scientists. And it's really, really refreshing to watch a blockbuster about people who look like and are like that. This is my number one. And this is... I know...

that you guys here at The Ringer have bought a lot of Glenn Powell stock. You love Glenn Powell. Yeah, you guys love him. We should say Twisters is coming. Twisters is coming, right? Twisters, this movie, and Twister, the old movie, it shows you the difference in things. I watch movies all the time. Did you see Twisters? No, but I'm looking at the trailer. Okay. Caught that. Thank you. I watch movies all the time, and the first thing I go when I see the movie is that these motherfuckers look too good.

Just all the time. Like, all the time. Bill Paxton, every man. Helen Hunt, pretty, but you could see her doing this job. Attainably pretty. Attainably pretty. All of this. You see it now, and now this same film is a movie star vehicle for the sexiest, hottest guy in Hollywood right now. And it just wasn't that in 1996. That wasn't what I thought your number one take was going to be. What was my number one take? Is this a superhero movie...

That's not actually a superhero movie. It's all the same beats, right? It's just in this case, the evil force is the tornadoes and they're the people fighting the evil force, but they're normal people. But it's basically the same DNA as some superhero movies. I think it's more aesthetically closer to like Jurassic Park. You know what I mean? I think it emphasizes intelligence over physical strength. And it

It aesthetically, and the Steven Spielberg executive produced it, Amblin is one of the production companies on it, has a kind of like Steven Spielberg, like, oh my God, my eyes are wide with wonder and fear, but wonder at like the thing that's occurring in front of me rather than I can go in and fix this. I mean, a lot of the situations that- But they are trying to fix it though. They're trying to be able to detect it early. You can't stop- I have a lot of thoughts on that. Yeah.

The premise of this movie. I have even a third take. Yeah. Off of that take. That this movie is more erotic than I thought it was back in the day. I like your description when you texted us. What? That this movie is essentially about tornadoes getting people to fuck? Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of what it is, right? That should have been on the poster. Like, you... These people are going to fuck for the disease because of these storms. These people need help fucking. Here comes five tornadoes. But the reality is that

It's kind of all about passion and disturbance, right? You have two people that... And Jamie Girtz's character sort of...

She's representative of- Dr. Melissa Reeves. Dr. Melissa Reeves. Reproductive therapist. Of love and attachment with no passion. These people are in a life and death situation. Yeah. They're doing it. Their dander is up. They're super, super into this. And it's what connects them. All of the other stuff in their life that they talk about, the fact that they couldn't get on the same page and this and that is what pulled them apart. What pushes them apart is something primal. It's like-

like an actual force of nature and throughout the course of the movie a good tornado fuck yeah that's what puts them together they're constantly wet their clothes are being borne around they always gotta be on each other yeah the movie is really really a lot of hair out of the way to put the microphone around tornado foreplay yeah the whole could have been a better title than twister

I wrote down 1996 was the year, going back to my initial point, when we finally figured out the summer blockbuster thing for better and worse. For better and for worse. But you go back to 94. There's nothing in the first two weeks of May. True Lies comes out July 15th. The Mask comes out July 29th. Cleaner and Present Danger comes out August 7th. They haven't figured out the calendar at all. 95, May 12th, Crimson Tide. Die Hard. Braveheart.

Congo comes out later. Batman Forever. Apollo 13th. All before July 4th. And I think that was the year Hollywood was like, you know what? Mid-May to June up to July 4th. Let's fucking go. So then you look at 96. May 10th, Twister. May 21st, Mission Impossible. June 7th, The Rock.

June 21st, Eraser. July 2nd, Independence Day. And that's it. That becomes the calendar. And there's other great movies in there that made money, like The Cable Guy, Striptease, The Time to Kill. But they just looked at that. It's like six, seven weeks, and that's where the machine went. Mm-hmm.

And that's where we've been ever since. Bill, The Cable Guy was a notorious failure. The Cable Guy made $104 million. Did it? Yeah. Wow. Every movie I listed made $100 million. I mean, Twister made $495 million. Think about this. I saw every single one of those movies in theaters. Yeah. Every...

I was, I don't know where I was getting the money from, but my dad, shout out to dad. But every single one of those movies, I was in the theater for seeing those movies. And they wanted people coming back every Friday, Saturday, or Sunday for whatever the new one was. You would also go see, because you'd have to wait forever for things to come on to the VHS or DVD market or whatever. You would go see a movie three times in a summer and movies would be there for a much longer time. Yeah. I'm old enough to remember that flipping and being like, wow.

They're putting this out second Friday in May? It just wasn't a thing that they used to do. And then they started doing it. This also hits a lot of the checkpoints where it was talking about DVD. It's the first DVD ever, 1997. It hits HBO. It hits eventually the pay-per-view, Blu-ray, TNT. I treated it this time around like...

I basically tried to recreate the circumstances of an old school rewatchable where I just basically had Twister on for three days. And so when I would be like taking a break from work or my wife and I would be back from the, like whatever we were doing for July 4th weekend, I would just turn on Twister wherever it was where I stopped it when I left the house. Great way to watch this movie because every 15 minutes there's a storm and it's actually like,

I mean, we can get into this, but like how bad do you just want to be hanging out in the fictional Oklahoma that this movie presents of like drive-through theaters and Aunt Meg's house and steak and eggs and drinking coffee at midnight because you're so wired from everything else. And it's a really fun movie to hang out in. Also, you just want to care about something as much as they care about Storm. Oh my God. They're so into Storms.

That's why I drop in that lady in there. That's how Chris feels about Summer League. That's how I feel about Bronny's knee tenderness. He's out. He's not playing. Low management. God damn it, Joe. You saying you're watching...

Twister basically for three straight days. Don't do that when we do Apocalypse Now this summer. Don't just have Apocalypse Now on for four straight days. Another thing about this movie, and I think this was kind of held against it because we had so much movie intelligence before movies came out by the time we got to the mid-90s because of all the magazines. But it was basically one of those movies that they created from a clip. It was a proof-of-concept clip from Industrial Light and Magic, that special effects thing we talked about where they were like,

Here's a pickup truck being, being, uh, driving toward a tornado and then a tractor, the tire comes off and hits the truck. And they just, they were able to do all of that. And they were like, we want to make a movie. That's kind of like this. And the studio is like, that sounds great. And then a lot of great people ended up behind it, but it felt like this kind of Frankenstein ish Hollywood action movie where they're like, just pieces of stuff. Let's figure out the story as we go. And, um,

ironically, became a beloved movie. Yeah. I mean, it's having a huge renaissance this summer. I think Twisters is going to crush. Don't you? Yeah. And Twister is on, I think it's on the Max app, but it just feels very omnipresent right now. So I think we picked the perfect week to do it. There are two things that happened over the last five days that I don't

I was like not prepared for was K-Hive coming back and Twister coming back on Twitter. Like everybody is just like, God damn, look at these people having such an incredible time. Like it was just like, you really blanked me on K-Hive. I don't know what that is. Kamala? Oh, wow. K-Hive. Yeah. Don't you remember that? I mean, I remember it, but you know. Yeah.

Hey, I love the vice president. That's great. Anyway. I'm turning into Biden. I'm do-gooder. Medicare. You turn into Biden every time Malik Monk's name comes up. Medicare. Bill Paxton. Our best choice. I knew Bill Paxton initially as Chet in Weird Science. Yeah. He became a classic...

I like that guy for years. Just makes the movie better. I like that guy. Absolutely. He's in one false move. He's in Trespass. Trespass. Where do you guys stand on Trespass? Love Trespass. Hugely important film for me. Interesting. Interesting movie. Not on. I think it might be banned from the cable networks. Can you...

Yeah, but you know what? Trespass is off. We couldn't find Pump Up the Volume and we brought that back. Should we bring Trespass back? Trespass is probably on Tubi. On Tubi, it's probably in the deep recesses of Tubi somewhere. You have to really search for it. Press secret buttons. You know what the funny thing about Trespass is? When you think about it, it's kind of a high concept movie for the era. Kind of? Yeah. Like a treasure hunt that happens like in the projects. The treasure is there and then everybody trying to get to it. It's like...

Trespass is good. Also pretty early in the rapper to actor crossover era. For Ice Cube? For Ice-T. Ice-T. What year did Trespass come out? I think it was 91 or 92. It was in high school for me, so it was somewhere in there. But Ice-T had already done New Jack City.

Yeah, it was right there in that first era. Would you respect me if I left The Ringer to start the Trespass vertical at 2B? Just program the Trespass channel. They have a cinema speculation vertical that feels like a wink-wink to Tarantino, but not his participation. You notice that? I did not know that. Is it like the movies from the book? Yeah, it's a lot of movies from the book. Like Rolling Thunder and stuff? And like Coffee. That's where I found Coffee. Yeah.

He's an Indian summer, Bill Paxton. Which was the big show for that generation. Didn't work, but I still kind of like it. You skipped Aliens. No, that's the 80s. I'm talking 90s. Where we think it's going to happen now with this guy. True Lies. It's like, oh, important role, but not the lead. Tombstone. Important role, not the lead. Apollo 13. Important role, not the lead. But crucial. And then Twister, he finally gets the lead. And it's like, oh, cool. Bill Paxton.

You do this. And then he makes a $500 million movie. Yeah. And then that all culminates in Titanic. Tell us more about the necklace. How big was it, grandma? What are the worst roles that he actually makes likable? It's fine. It is. But once again, it was such a tragedy when we lost him because if I saw him in a movie...

He was one of those guys, even if I hadn't seen the movie, if I saw him pop up in the movie, I would give the movie a shot. Yeah. Like, I would give the movie a shot. Chris gave Big Love a shot for like six years. Hey, I thought that was going to be his Tony Soprano moment. Yeah. It was a little, maybe it was just like the subject matter. It was a little, not the right time, but. Just never totally landed the plane, Big Love. But it was always interesting. Yeah. He was good in it. It was also a time when you were just like watch TV shows and you just be like, I don't know if I love this.

But I'm intrigued. So because I'm intrigued, I'll watch it for six years. So I have a theory on this, but why does he not become an A-plus solicitor, Chris Ryan? I think he's a character actor, and I think sometimes it's hard to make that change over. I mean, really, only in another tragedy of this movie is Philip Seymour Hoffman. This is a fantastic performance by him, but...

Paxton, probably a little bit more of a traditional action genre cowboy kind of guy. And just never kind of got that role to make the transition over into whatever more prestigious stuff. I think it's the same thing for why isn't Sam Neill a big deal. It's because people will think of Twister, they think of the Storms, not Bill Paxton. That's the thing. So the star of this movie is...

are the tornadoes. The star of Jurassic Park, the dinosaurs. So the reality is that, yeah, that's a movie you can say that you led it and it made a lot of money, but really people came for the spectacle. So you're saying he's a system quarterback. He's Brock Purdy.

And for this movie. They don't need Joe Burrow for this. They're like, we're good with Brock Purdy. We have so many weapons. It's more like Gardner Minshew where you're like, God damn, this is awesome for like when it's happening. Yeah. And then if you watch, you know what I mean? I don't know what the comedown is. I think he might be Brock Purdy.

And I think that makes Debo and Brandon Ayuk the tornadoes. And McCaffrey. McCaffrey's a tornado. You're just going to be silent over there. Helen Hunt as George Kittle. Craig Stein. I like the birdie comp. I don't want to give him Minshew. That feels disrespectful. No, I'm not trying to disrespect him. It's more like... I'm trying to think of like a gunslinger quarterback who gets a shot

And you're like, shit, this could work. For a little while, Jeff George. Yeah. And then you're like, oh, maybe this is why you don't have the gunslinger have the whole movie. Right. Is he Gino? Gino? I don't know. I felt like Paxton. I thought he had a good career. But can I tell you something else about his career?

He's also in a crowded field. Well, so that's what I had for you. Yeah, he's also- Literally right here. White guy glut. Yeah. He's also in a crowded field around the time. I'm going to read you all the names. There's A, B, and C list guys who can be in movies. So we have the Affleck, Damon, Leo, Wahlberg group. All of them.

the young those are new guys yeah at this time yeah his direct competition ed norton brad pitt george clooney mcconaughey he loses the time to kill but he's like he's in that mix i thought he was mcconaughey is like really just popping right now but he was he started late though

He was like one of those boxers that got out of jail. He was like the young 30. In career situation, I would put McConaughey more with the Ben Affleck and the Matt Davis. Travolta, Cage, Costner, Bruce Willis, Keanu. They're the established older guys. Hanks, Cruz, Ford, Gibson. That's the top. Sean Penn, Tim Robbins, Kevin Spacey, Alec Baldwin, Richard Gere. They're like in those... Probably maybe a couple years older than Bill Paxton. Jim Carrey, Sandler, Myers, Stiller.

And then he's in that kind of Kevin Bacon, Bill Pullman. Kiefer Sutherland. Kiefer Sutherland. Like, can he be the lead of a thing or is he just going to keep losing out to these bigger guys? But I think he could have been, I think he had been in a bunch of McConaughey movies. I think he could have been the lead guy in Out of Sight.

Instead of Clooney. And Out of Sight? Yeah, with J-Lo. No way. He could have been. I think he could have. I don't know if he would have been as good as Clooney, but I think he could have. Hold on. Here's the thing about that. I think Out of Sight is a perfect, that's a perfect example of the movie that he couldn't do. Because when you're talking about. But how do we know? This is what I would say about Out of Sight. When you talk about Out of Sight, you're talking about a guy who you have to put into the

the trunk with Jennifer Lopez, who at that time... And she's like, you look like Robert Redford. Yeah. Like, you have to have a movie star charm and a magnetism to...

in that role that he doesn't have. Like, he could probably play the role. He could handle the load dramatically and even charismatically. But when you look at George Clooney in that situation, you go, I see why an ATF agent or whatever. In the trunk, she fell in love with him. Yeah, you see why she does. She takes no chances. The thing is that there's nothing wrong with being the third guy in the cockpit with Tom Hanks. Like, he's a floor-raising supporting actor

who did a lot of good work over his career. Do we think this is a leading man performance in Twister, though? Yeah. It is. Yeah. But if it... It's a leading man performance, but an everyman performance. Maybe he's like a tweener. He was like, he could have led a movie like this, but he was really probably better off being the overqualified third guy in the cockpit. In Apollo 13. Which makes him Kevin Bacon. He's also the kind of guy, to me as well, like if you compare him to like a Bryan Cranston. Mm.

he's also the kind of guy to me that catches a role that's made for him late in his career. He, he needed like, he could have been like a bad guy on Ozark or something like that, where it was like, it was coming. Bryan Cranston's a good one. Yeah. So maybe he's in that, in that film. Helen Hunt, who has this run of kiss of death, which we'll do at some point. I don't like the taste of metal in my mouth. What did it, what crazy movie, bro?

I do. That's a demented movie. I love that movie. That movie's incredible. Twister, and then she wins an Oscar for As Good As It Gets. Somebody also won four Emmys. For Mad About You? Mad About You. And then she moves into this Dr. T and the woman pay it forward. She's in Cast Away. What Woman Want? And then... I just never found, like, after As Good As It Gets, never found...

The perfect part. She was just on Hacks this season. Yeah. One of the, to me, one of the most unexpected shoot, shot up to the A-list situations that I've ever seen.

When as she's around, she's almost ubiquitous. You see her in all different types of movies and she's good. It was like, is she a TV actress or is she a movie actress? And then all of a sudden, as good as it gets, it comes out and she's top up. She's fantastic in it. She's at the top of the industry and you just didn't necessarily think it was going to happen for her.

She's got a lot of presence. It's like when Jaylen Brown becomes the Finals MVP. Sometimes you just don't know, Chris. Like, man. Conference Finals and Finals MVP, Jaylen Brown. We thought he was Paxton, but it turns out he's Clooney. He besmirched him on stage last year. Did I? Yeah, he took some shots. You remember that? I do. I remember the shots. What about the Jabari Smith Jr. trade? What's your thoughts on that now?

Which one? Jabari Smith and number three. Yeah, you want the trade. That would have been a good trade. If they didn't want to pay him. What are we fucking doing? What are you talking about? Come on. I was like, if they weren't going to pay Jalen Brown, that's a good trade. You don't get to win the title, but be like, we also retroactively won a trade that we didn't do.

I'm just saying it would have been a good haul if they weren't going to pay him. My vote was to pay him. Jabari Smith can barely get on the corner in the Rockets. Jabari Smith's good. I like him.

Rest of the cast includes Philip Seymour Hoffman, you mentioned. Is that Chris Cooper at the top or is it somebody else? Who was the dad in the beginning who gets sucked in? It's not Chris Cooper. It's the guy who looks like Chris Cooper. Jamie Girtz, Alan Ruck, Jeremy Davies. A guy, Todd Field. A guy, Todd Field. Yeah. So weird. As far as I know, just three for three absolute bangers when it comes to acting. Nick in Eyes Wide Shut, Twister, and Sleep With Me. The speech with Tarantino in the kitchen. Right.

And now, other than that, I don't know if he's in anything. One of the strangest careers. And then he's only directed three movies that are all like really, really unique, awesome movies. This movie got nominated for two Oscars. Best sound, best visual effects. Did this start Hoffman for you or did Scent of a Woman? Scent of a Woman. Scent of a Woman's before this, right? Yeah. Yeah, Scent of a Woman. But I didn't really, like he could have been any kid. He was just really good in Scent of a Woman. It's crazy how Dusty from this movie has become like an iconic, like,

The outfits and stuff. People still talk about his performance in this. And there's a couple of scenes in here I'll talk about later where you're like, this is just a ridiculously good job for a nothing part. What was the role? Is it more fun if he's just dressed like Scotty J the whole movie or no? He's wearing like a boys' beanie. Is it better if Scotty J is dressed like Dusty? What was the role with him to where you went, oh,

You know what I'll say? He's fantastic. I remember Twister being like, wow, this guy's like... Yeah, no, he was a big deal in Twister. Do you know what it was for me? It was the talented Mr. Ripley. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The talented Mr. Ripley. After Boogie Nights. Yeah, the talented Mr. Ripley, I was like, wow, he's...

Doing something different like he's different in every single movie I see him in. Yeah. He routinely though takes a role that like take like Mission Impossible 3 which is like he's the bad guy in Mission Impossible 3 and you're like this this could be fine like the bad guys in Mission Impossible 2 where he's just kind of like hamming it up British guys Scottish guys and

He's so fucking good in Mission Impossible 3. He's playing it like he's in The Master. And it clearly is scaring the shit out of Tom Cruise. And it's just like, no matter what the material was, he elevated it. I think it goes, when I saw him in this, it was like, oh, the son of a woman guy. He's good. And then he's in Boogie Nights. Like, wow. And then Ripley was the exclamation point. Then it was like, we have a real actor. This guy is working. Tommy. Yeah. How's it peeping? Yeah.

How's the peeping? Directed by Chris's guy, Jan de Bont. JDB. Director of photography on Die Hard. Director of speed. Standard get off.

And a really hard charging, just efficient director. Crew hated him. Yep. People quit. Scores of people quit. It was like a full on revolt. Yeah. Yeah. They quit. They had to bring in new people mid film. Two DPs, like crews wearing funny shirts about him. Interesting guy. Knocked over a camera assistant. The crew revolted. Revolted. They had to change the crew. Yeah.

Next guy came in, got hurt. Jack Green got hurt with two days to go. The house collapsed on him. He had to go. DeBond had to take over the photography. It's like, it's a whole deep dive. But you know, to a whole little era right there, like the Jan DeBond type of filmmaker, like at a certain point, that's like who people wanted to be. Cool ass DP that comes from doing that and makes these awesome, ridiculously amazing,

accessible action films, but that also have a lot of stuff. This is one of my favorite van takes. Is it guys just want to be cinematographers? Van missing the auteurs who were, the set was like, I fucking hate this guy. But it was like, guess what? It's like the guy in the bear, Joe McHale. Yeah. Guess what? We needed those guys. Gets the fucking job done, but like a Jan de Bont actor

The movie had a certain kinetic energy to it and people were showing up for that shit at a certain time. It's like when I used to yell at Chris about the triangle at Grantland. It's not good enough, Chris. More basketball. Yeah, chef. Yeah, chef. Dude, but he went way over the production schedule to the point that he had to delay Mad About You by almost three weeks. It's funny because you hear about...

troubled productions or things that are over budget or over schedule like Marvel stuff or whatever and this had all the hallmarks of that had Michael Crichton did the first pass of the script Steve Zalian Joss Whedon he got two and a half million to do the script all these people are writing the script there are people writing the script still like while there's movie shooting they had Joss Whedon on it Joss Whedon did it yeah oh wow uh

And it fucking came out. Like when you watch the movie, you think the same cinematographer shot the whole thing. You're never like, damn, they changed. They switched it up midway through. It seems seamless, even though it is so chaotic. One of the best stories about all this was how he, they, they misjudged Oklahoma city. They thought it was going to be like darker and stormier. And it was just,

It just wasn't. So they had to like figure out how to have darkness. They did this in Iowa, right? So they did these like giant lamps that burn the retinas of Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton. They had to fucking. They were blinded. They got blinded. And they had to wear like elephant glasses for three, four days to get their eyesight back. To get their eyesight back. And Jan de Bont's like, I'm sorry. When can you start filming again?

Sorry about that. Should we add DeBond to Wayne Jenkins? Apparently, she got concussed. She thinks she got concussed because she got hit by, in the cornfield, the door hit her when she jumped out. He fought for her to be in the movie because he said she was capable of the physical stuff. And then he hit her with a door and concussed her. He knew she could take it. And Paxton was saying he was...

you know, they're using real shit. Like they're doing the hail and they have an ice chipper and she's shooting ice and Dubon is filming next to him with a helmet on. And he's like, I'm getting hit by the ice too. And Paxton's like, cool. He's just getting nailed. You got a fucking helmet on, Jan. So should we add Jan Dubon to our thing? Would this movie be better if it was directed by Jan Dubon? No, stand in front of the dinosaur. Get up. I don't know why he sounds German.

Yeah. You're German. I'm doing sprockets. Yeah. Uh, $90 million budget made 495 million. Second biggest movie in 1996, Roger Ebert, two and a half stars. Any, any interesting takeaways from him? He said, you want loud, dumb, skillful, escapist entertainment, twister works. You want to think, think twice about seeing it. Boy.

It's tornadoes, bro. They have a ton of plot for Raj. This place being assaulted by tornadoes. You don't have a lot of time to think. Come on, Raj. There's really nothing to think about. It's a five tornado day. Yeah. There wasn't time to play Scrabble. All right, we're going to take a break and do the categories. This episode is supported by State Farm. Think about your first reaction after you have an accident. What do you do? You scream, oh no, or man, why did this happen? On the flip side-

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Who doesn't? You get the crew. Oh, you mean her dad. Oh, you mean her trauma. Interesting. The trauma scene. Yeah. Interesting. I like the whole holding onto the door. Would you do that for your family?

Listen, I have a couple notes for dad. Not to step on picking nits, but that lock just wasn't good enough. Like, just not good enough. It's like one little lock that you put on a doggy door. But do you take the L and you're like, that was on me, so I'll hold the door myself and save my family? Or are you like, look... New category.

creating a new character category. The Joe's dad in Twister. I'm sorry, but you kind of deserve to die award. Wow. Good. Yeah. Good. Terrible job by that guy. Locks bad. Let go of the door. Just let the door go. The door's going anyway. Why are you going to hold in it? Run in with your family and protect them. Joe's dad.

Why is she so traumatized? She's traumatized because the guy was fucking terrible at protecting his family. Bad at making locks. Yeah, she's traumatized because she watched her family die. She watched her father die. That's why she's traumatized. For being a dumbass. So you're saying she should have told herself that my dad was stupid so I don't care about his death. Exactly. To be fair...

That's exactly what I'm saying. I feel like midway through the movie that people start trying to like basically tell her that. Where she's like, Jesus Christ, Joe, the storm didn't choose your dad. Right. I honestly do feel like when I watch this, because this is a very white movie. And let me tell you, it is. You're stepping on the Van Lathan, did this movie need more black people? Is there a black person in this movie? One. And it was one too many.

Who was the one? Oh, there was one. I saw him. In Dr. Jonas' group? Yeah. Dr. Jonas had one. Yeah. One guy that they probably kidnapped. It's like, he's there in case something goes wrong and the cops come. We can talk about it later, but this is one of the... I have a whole thing about... A whole thought about this movie, its whiteness, and why it's a perfect white escapist movie. Save it. Yeah. Next scene.

Bill tries to get signed papers from Joe. Meets the crew. Hey! I don't believe it! Who is that handsome devil? Gentlemen. The extreme! It's the extreme! Oh man, don't start that shit. Oh manly handshaking zoosh. How you doing, man? I'm doing great, doing great. Oh man.

Dusty, I'd like you to meet Melissa. Melissa, this is Dusty. Dust Man's been chasing with us ever since we started. Listen, man, where's Joe?

And we meet about 12 characters who were fully developed in like two minutes. It's a great job of bouncing around. We get to understand what Dorothy is. And as soon as you see them, you know them. Yes. As soon as you see them, you know them. There's the loud guy wearing a Baja. There's the guy who cares about his maps. There's a dude who is apparently ordained minister. Yep. Like you just, there's Alan Ruck. You're like, ah,

- Oh, Alan Rock. - Cameron. - Philip Seymour Hoffman's character runs right over to his fiance and takes her by the hand. And immediately, just that little thing, you know who this guy is to everybody else. - Yeah, big energy guy. - Big energy, too familiar, gonna be honed in on you guy if you tell him that. - And we get some action right away 'cause all of a sudden we're chasing a tornado. They do a lot of good stuff. Next scene is the chasing the tornado.

Which, um, this is a great plan, right? All of a sudden we're driving in a ditch and just running into a bridge and the tornadoes tornadoes about to get them. But, uh, but some good stuff. And that's our first good special effect is where's my truck. And then the truck boom with the second tornado cows, cows,

flying. Now they stepped on this with either the trailer or the ad. I can't remember. I think they said, I have to call you back. There's cows. We have cows. Yeah. Yeah. But in the theater was pretty exciting. We have a hug as Dr. Melissa watches. What, what would a Kalika strategy have been with, um,

ex-wife that you're chasing tornadoes with as she watches from afar and you're hugging your ex-wife after every tornado. Well, the movie was just wrapped. Right. How many tornadoes is she sticking through? She sticks through sending her docu-signs to be... Dr. Melissa Reed lasts for four of the five tornadoes. We don't make it to the first tornado. As soon as I go, hey, I'm going tornado chasing. You're going where? Yeah. Do you get the signature yet? Yeah. You get the signature. Let's

No, no, I didn't get it, but we're going to go chase this one tornado and then I'm getting it. None of that's happening. She's not going. Like, no, none of that's happening. We're on our way.

Where do you think Dr. Melissa Reeves is based, practice-wise? Oh, good question. That's a good question. I was thinking Dallas. Because she seems incredibly naive about tornadoes. Yeah, Dallas. But if you grow up in Oklahoma, if you grow up in Tornado Alley, you must know. Well, where was he coming from to go get the signatures? I can't get the fact that Jamie Girtz was, for some time, basically the face of the Atlanta Hawks ownership group, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Insanely wealthy. Yeah. So I kept thinking Dr. Melissa Reeves was based in Atlanta. She's Southern, but cosmopolitan. And so she... That's why I thought Dallas. That's why you thought Dallas. But if she was in Dallas, she'd know something about a tornado though. A little bit. I mean, yeah. So you're thinking like gone with the wind plantation area kind of like super rich? Like South Carolina? Yeah.

It is the ultimate white movie. Charleston, Columbia. Charleston. Yeah, she's from Charleston. But like a part of Charleston, you don't even know the actual name of the town. It's in Charleston. It's a huge country club. One of the best golf courses in the world. Her family has a lot of land and you ask her where they got it from and she goes, it's always been in the family. Yeah, we've always had it. They're driving through Oklahoma City on the way to Dallas. Right. My favorite scene. I'm just telling you, this is my rewatchable.

is the kitchen table. - On next? - Food, food! - We need sustenance. - We just got the hell out of here 'cause that was definitely, there's too many tornadoes back there. - Are you kidding? This thing's not over. We've only seen the start of it. - Hey, you know what, Joe? Some of us couldn't help but notice how close we are to Wakita. - No. - Yeah, and Aunt Meg wouldn't want to pit stop, right? - No. - Red meat, we crave sustenance. - Guys, we are not invading my aunt.

Food. Food! Hey, we're absolutely not going. I think those scenes like that, and that was when I watched this movie for basically a couple days in a row. It's like, man, I really underrated this movie. They're trying to do a whole bunch of things in that

in that like five minutes and all of it really works. They're making food. I'm getting hungry looking at the food. There's like steak and eggs and gravy and mashed potatoes. They're also, Dr. Jonas is on TV and they're like taking shots at him. They're telling the stories about old Bill. They're catching up Jamie Girtz on Extreme Bill. Helen Hunt, like you could tell that that whole, they're just like laying out a lot and we get Aunt Meg who you have to set up because later on they got to go save Aunt Meg because they got to like her.

But it's good. So when Ebert's like this, that this movie was not for the thinkers, I don't know. I thought that scene was really good. Is there an F5? It's the Fujita scale. It measures the intensity of a tornado by how much it eats. Eats? Destroys. A little encounter we had back there is a strong F2, F3 maybe. I bet we see some F4s today. That'd be sweet. F4 is good. F4 will relocate your house fairly efficiently. Is there an F5? No.

What would that be like? The finger of God. That entire character is there just to say that. There's no reason for a preacher to be in a storm chaser group unless it's to be like, it's the finger of God. It would have been funny if they had a completely overqualified actor just for that one moment. Yeah, like Brian Cox. Have any of you ever seen an F5? Just one of us. Cut to Joe. Mm-hmm.

Third tornado, that's the hail. I refer to this as the Van Halen storm. Just get a little fucking open hi-hat Alex Van Halen going. Yeah. Where do you stand on that Van Halen song? It works for the movie, but I wouldn't put it on my Van Halen playlist. Let's talk about it when we get to Needle Drop because this is an interesting conversation. So we get hail, we get shit hitting the car, we get...

They finally get out and they do the Christ Joe, is that what you think? Things go wrong! You can't explain it! Jesus, Joe, why can't you just forget it? You don't understand, okay? You'll never know. When's it gonna be enough, huh? How close do you have to get? Talk to me! Joe, things go wrong. You can't explain it. You can't predict it. Killing yourself won't bring your dad back. Sorry he died, but it was a long time ago. Gotta move on.

Stop living in the past and look at what you got right in front of you. What are you saying? Hey, Joe.

When he basically, because you think about it, he basically professes his love to her. He's telling her, you still have me. And then the whole time. The fucking walkie-talkie. The walkie-talkie. See, that's why I can't get with Raj. Like, that's good shit. Stop living in the past. Look at what you got right in front of you. Dr. Melissa Reeves is like. Kind of a surprise, too. Is there anybody I can blow right now? I'm so mad.

Is there a revenge blowjob I can give anyone? Preacher? I have this improbably unanswerable because I know who she fucked to get back at him. Dusty? Oh, same. Is that who it is? Yeah, she fucked Dusty. That night. Dusty, can I have a ride? Not Jonas?

No, I think it's dusty. That's one of my favorite movie tropes, though, is the deep conversation, but there's like a baby monitor on or a walkie-talkie. It's like Carmi in the walk-in freezer in season two. It's good. It always works. You're not supposed to hear it. Just when we think the movie's slowing down, we get another tornado that destroys the drive-in theater. This is it. The shine-out. This is it. That's the scene. This is it. Great little downtown location. I think this one's up there in some ways with the T-Rex...

in Jurassic Park. It's not as iconic. It's not as, you know, mind-blowing. But that, the three of them, like, looking up, the wind is blowing. Yeah. And then the one lightning strike and you can see the tornado behind the screen and it just fucking tears the screen apart. Also, I would just love to go to a drive-in and watch The Shining. The people are on edge. Yeah, that sounds amazing. The people are on edge because it's The Shining. It's one of the most frightening movies that's ever been made. But there's something...

coming behind that that's actually fucking frightening and it just starts ripping. It's awesome. Yeah, it's great. I was thinking, what if they did the Scatman Crothers getting axed to death scene instead of Nicholson just knocking down the door, but they really could have gone for it with The Shining. And it goes on for a long time.

time. It first comes in, the storm gets worse and worse and worse. Then there are cars. They keep you there for a very long time throwing shit at you and you're not sure who's going to die. But it's all the build up for me because it actually the movie feels like the way it feels like when you know a storm is coming. It gets really quiet. Shout out to Bill Paxton's that kind of look he has. I don't know. Some sort of acting trick. CR, should we add a category?

I could see CR living in that town. Like when Slapshot, when you just clearly could have lived and had the cheap season tickets at the bar. I live in West Wauketa. Could you have lived with that drive-in theater and that big ice cream shop? Couldn't you see me fucking sitting there at El Camino drinking black coffee at 10 p.m.?

Yeah. I think I could have seen you there. Maybe I took the English teacher on a date to go see The Shining. The one guy in town that knows everything about movies is at the drive-in every single night. Yeah. Died tragically. Phoebe, they're showing Apocalypse. And they drive it. They name the theater after you after they reopen. Wakita lost its treasury of cinematic knowledge.

When Chris Ryan was blown into the cone of silence. Pictures of you at the theater. He loved Heat, which had not been made yet. Oh my God. That's great. It's just funny. I'm adding that. Jimmy Conway's bar. What's the number one location you definitely could have lived at?

I still think you getting Charleston Chiefs season tickets. Chiefs season tickets. And working at that bar. Yeah, the shot caller prison. Oh, Jesus. That's the best one right there. Yeah. You being one of the guys in there. Me being the movie guy. Shot caller prison. You guys ever see Escape from Alcatraz? It's a good movie. Two more. I got to put Dr. Melissa dumping bill.

It's a little short one. Pretty clean. The thing is, I'm not that upset.

She realized she don't want to look. She's like, what am I doing with this guy? So it's actually the best breakup. One of the best breakups in movie history. It's like, it's a really good breakup. But when you think about well acted too, by her, well, like when you think about everything that she had been through, she realized that he loves tornadoes more than anything. She got to know a problem that she didn't like. She couldn't do it. She's out and everybody's going to be okay. And he doesn't put up a giant fight either. No. Say no. No.

And she says, don't worry about me. I know my way home. Because Dusty's taking her home. By the way, Dusty's getting you. The guy in the. We're getting one of those beds that you put quarters into so they move faster. Two more. Dorothy's flying.

Which we get Dr. Jonas dies. We get them driving through the house. We get them jumping into the cornfield. And we get Dorothy flying in the air. And then the final tornado, which I might as well nitpick now. I don't think they survived the final tornado. The final tornado dropped to the thing being in the middle of the... I think they're decapitated or drawn and quartered. Yeah.

By the wind or by the debris inside the tornado? I think they were too close. I think they get sucked out and then they just die. When I was watching it this time, I was kind of like, maybe the real tornado was Dr. Melissa Reeves because I feel like a little bit of the dramatic tension of the movie leaves when she leaves. And I kind of enjoyed him kind of going back and forth between should I be a square weather reporter or should I be a storm chaser? Yeah.

But they have to up the ante after the drive-in. It's good. I just, I don't mean to be a dick. The only thing you could do was... I just think they're getting sucked into that thing. The only thing that you could do was put them inside of the tornado and let us see it, which was the whole... Which, by the way, was fucking cool. Yeah, so it was driving through the house. So that's why it's worth it. You just gotta suspend. You gotta suspend. They go in the barn, in the barn. I don't know, the people, they're torturing people in the barn and all that stuff. They have to leave. Yeah. Who are these people? Mm-hmm.

What do you have for most people to watch? Driving. Dan? Driving. Close second to Me, Joe. Me, Joe! That held a close second. Because the movie's kind of built around that. New category. Decided to do this. I was listening to...

One of our rewatchables 1999 pods that I hadn't listened to in a while. We had a category in that one. What was the most 1999 thing about this movie? Okay. I just think we should do that. So what's, is this the, what's the most 1999? What's the most 1996 thing about this movie? I'll give you some options. Okay. No internet whatsoever. The Dodge Ram. Hmm.

Dusty not being a massive influencer on Instagram. I feel like Dusty in 2024, he's got at least five million. He's got a podcast and five billion Instagram followers. TikTok, yeah. No Oklahoma City Thunder references at all. Nobody has like the Durant, the Nick Collison jersey, nothing. It's all OU. Drive-in theater showing The Shining? Todd Field as an actor or Helen Hunt's hair? What was the most 1996 thing about this movie?

I'm going with no OKC Thunder references. I was disappointed that, you know, Dusty's wearing an OU hat, but we don't get any, like, references to Ryan Miner. No Kelvin Sampson's first season kind of stuff. Yeah. There should have been one sports fan in the crew. Yeah. Because what...

Month of the year is this movie. Summer. Yeah, it's going to be. It's hot. So somebody talking about like minicamp and OU. But it's a downtime for OU Sooners sports in general. Minicamp and OU? Somebody talking about Marcus Dupree. Marcus Dupree. Man, you don't realize what we had. It's a whole Marcus Dupree combo. I'm going to go with Helen Hunt's hair. It's very, very era accurate.

It's a tough hairdo. I like the... I'm going to go with the Dodge Ram. Okay. It's a big deal, Chuck. What's aged the best? What do you got, CR? I have a bunch of stuff. I got the crew. I got Hoffman, Field, Ruck, Jeremy Davies, Joey Slotnick. It's just an awesome group of guys.

It's like when the Celtics would bring in Hauser and Pritchard and New Cornette. When you look at it, that's some insane characters in that bitch. I feel like I'm in hell. I'm sorry. They got fucking, they got Opem. They got fucking Connor. They got some insane characters in that bitch. It's like this movie's a that guy Hall of Fame. You know what's aged the best and the worst?

is the world right before we were that worried about climate change where it was like god that's a bad storm yeah but not like and the world's gonna end because we're slowly heating it to the point of death yeah but it was just this means the world's gonna end did you see that fucking storm? Jesus you know when that changed Katrina?

El Nino. Oh. Remember the whole El Nino craze? And it was like, what do you mean? What do you mean? I was like, what do you, it was like a fucking El Nino and everybody's like, well, there's something that makes the storms worse. I mean, the storms can get worse. Yeah. And then, and then you start thinking about it.

What's aged the best? The old school special effects. Uh-huh. It really feels like they're whipping trees and ice and license plates and stuff at the actors, like for real. DeBont said he kind of saw the direction that filmmaking was going on a technological side of CGI and stuff. And one of the reasons he did Twister was he thought it would be one of his last chances to do practical stuff.

I'm throwing a fucking house at this person. Wow, torturing dozens and dozens of Unahatch crew members. Blinding his lead actors. The suck zone. Yeah. The suck zone. Just as a phrase. Suck zone. Yeah. I've been to that site. You know I was going to do it. I do. Yeah. Jonas.

the bad guy twister chaser. He's in it for the money, not the science. First of all, that character is always going to age perfectly. Timeless guy who has, you look at him, they're wearing fucking headsets. They got the best fucking cars. They got the best technology. He's wearing like gray tech fleece. Gray tech fleece. A little sarcastic where he's like, oh, by the way, I enjoy the weather reports. Like you motherfucker.

Do you think there was apparently a fair amount of Jonas left on the cutting room floor? Yeah, I had that in What's Aged the Worst. I actually wanted more Jonas. Yeah, me too. The movie feels like it's missing two or three scenes with him where there was more of a rivalry stuff. They punted on it. Honestly, to be honest with you. Honestly, to be honest with you. But you didn't really need him at all.

Or you either needed them more or less. Or less. You didn't really need them at all because they only show up a couple of times and they don't really pose any threat or any hindrance to our protagonist. They're just kind of around. Jonas' wingman who's driving him around really catches the bad end of the whole fucking movie. Because he gets decapitated by the ladder that goes through. He's like, I could be in Meg's gravy if I'm driving around this fucking asshole. Like...

He can't rid the tornadoes at all. They didn't do enough to me to where Jonas even deserved to die. Right. Like, it's actually kind of tragic. They needed one more scene. They needed, like, he had hooked up with Joe a couple times or... Yeah. Or had tried to hire Dusty away or something. I mean, he tried to steal the design, but, you know, that's just... You think Dusty is like the Paul George of Joe's team? Yeah, Dusty's like, I wanted four years...

Joe would only go two. No trade. What'd you think of Dr. Jonas, Craig? I liked him as like a punching bag for the crew to kind of bond. Like it was, I liked the element of getting to see the Paxton crew's expertise. Like, oh, they don't need all the gadgets. Like Paxton being like, oh, it's like the tornado's turning. I think if you don't have Jonas, you don't really appreciate that as much, their expertise. So I do think- The fact that they're feeling, that they use their instinct. Yes. Yeah.

I remember we talked when we did the Jaws pod, we talked about how in movie that was created the character. The mayor. The mayor in Jaws is the character that kind of pushes against our lead person. He's usually motivated by money. Yeah, there's some sort of bad intentions and that just became a character that's in every movie.

It's like, oh, that guy. I like Harry Elwes. And the access to tech and money was always nefarious, whereas the person that- He's in it for the money, not the science. That was a big- I mean, that's at what stage the best, too. That was a good mid-90s thing. That's- Of selling out. Jurassic Park is the same way. Joe and Bill are anti-analytics, you know? That's right. Bill does do a lot of just fucking walking out there

Phil Mickelson just throws a fucking blade of grass up and he's like, the tornado's going to be over there. He can feel the tornado. It's like how Brad Stevens was like, I just think Drew Holiday would fit in with these guys. Same kind of thing, Chris. This is a sneaky... What's age the best? Sneaky, awesome, all-in-one-day movie. Yeah, it's 24 hours. It's 24 hours and it really, I think, benefits from...

With the exception of the aunt Meg. It's really two days because it goes... He shows up in the morning the day before and it goes through the night. So it's not quite after hours, but it's close. And I think the compression really helps the movie a lot. Like, I don't need a lot of time elapsed in this film. Yeah, we don't need them staying in hotels or a campsite. I would also just say what's aged the best, the Fujita scale. Just very simple. I understand. Good one. It's like PER. Richter scale, I still don't really know. Yeah. Like, what's a...

Where does it start getting really bad with the Richter scale? Five? 4.5? I think it's like seven. I still haven't figured out if Defcon 1 is the worst one or Defcon 5. I don't think Defcon 1 is the worst one. Seven is... Yeah, one is the worst. You're fucked. On the Richter scale?

A seven? Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Seven's really bad. I don't think five is catastrophic. No, but I think a six is major trouble. If you get anything over five, you're probably getting one that does some significant amount of damage. A six is pretty significant. Seven is like terrible. Seven's major trouble. Yeah, but if I just go F4, you're like, shit. Oh, shit. Fuck you. What's aged the best? The sound in this movie is really good, especially when we have better TVs and sound systems and stuff. But they did a good job with that.

Here's a personal one for me. And it's in the first scene. When the family's in peril and escaping somewhere, but they forget the dog. Yeah. Always gets my wife. That's like, she cares more about the fucking dog than the humans. It's like, you better go back and get the dog. Amityville Horror has the best one of that. The dad 1000% is just like, I'll get you another dog. Yeah. Terrible job by him. Jamie Girtz, Hawk's owner. That takes the best. Hell yeah. She came the fuck up. Good for her. She's like,

If we're getting Dyson Daniels, but only one pick, I need a second first. You bet on Trey. Yeah. Alan Ruck. Connor Roy. Connor Roy. What a career for this guy. Yeah. Ferris. Speed. Twister. Spin City. He's giving us something every decade, man. Dan, this is for you. Thank you. What's aged the best? Movie aunts or grandmothers who are always ready in two minutes to feed a group of 12. Yeah.

You don't even have to ask where she got all the steak from. Maybe she's- They do. She's like, I just slaughtered a bunch of cows for you. Oh, she says that? Yeah. She's like, did you see the cow's eyes? It's like in Goodfellas when they show up at three in the morning and Pesci's mom is just like, let me make you guys some meatballs and pasta. And the food looks so hearty and nourishing. It looks delicious. Even the nice big fried egg. Yeah. The Shining's aged the best. Any movie where someone says, you're still in love with them, aren't you? Yep.

I have that as fucking your exes. And then, uh, Bill Paxton became a beloved in the storm network guy. Yeah. And there's something called the spotter network. They had all these storm chasers and they spelt out his initials when he passed away in 2017 to honor him. They loved him. And they have a twister museum in Wakita or somewhere around here. And he like basically furnished it with like a lot of memorabilia from the movie. Yeah.

The Great Shock Order Award. What would you go with, CR? The reveal, the tornado reveal at the drive-in. Lightning flashes and then tornadoes behind the drive-in screen. To me, it's the shot of the middle of the F5 when they're hanging from the thing. It's like, that's actually like a majestic shot. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah. I'm going with Van. Den of Thieves, Benihana Award, scene-stealing location. Chris's new place he's going to live, the drive-in theater area of Waukega. Meg's house is up there, though. Meg's house is nice.

The Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. Here's Chris. Well, humans being. It's humans being and I get fired up when I hear Van Halen, but this was a cool soundtrack because it was actually like they went out and tried to get people to make songs that were like related to the movie and stuff. So like,

Yeah, Tori Amos. Yeah, and like, Lisa Loeb. It's not, I wouldn't say it's a soundtrack. I kind of low-key think Long Way Down by Goo Goo Dolls is the better song. Yeah. The most inexplicable song is just when Dusty's watching the Eric Clapton video from Motherless Child. Yeah. Why is he doing that? I don't know. That's just product placement, I guess. Tell you something. Big opportunity missed here. It's 96.

Big opportunity missed here for them not to tap into hip-hop.

It's Twista, motherfucker. Big opportunity missed here for them not to have. With Twista? Could be Twista. Was he popping around in 96? He wasn't quite there yet, but this could have been a chance. You add Twista to some of this shit. Busta Rhymes could have been on this. Busta Rhymes. We all know who probably would have got the soundtrack, but we can't talk about it. We know who was the most popping that would have happened.

had the whole record label. Did you mean Diddy? Yeah. OJ? You think Dusty and Preacher could add a Boogie versus Tupac argument? Yeah, whole thing. Like, they missed the opportunity to put some hip-hop on there.

The big kahuna burger award for best use of food and drink is the whole food scene. But if I had to single out an item, the gravy looked really good. Yeah, the food was amazing. Meg's famous gravy. Yeah. But it just looked like really special gravy. Made me hungry. My runner up is Joe ordering eight to-go coffees at the time. Yeah, at 10 at night. We're together. Well,

When they first put the steak in the thing, the steak looked like it was going to be shitty, but by the time them steaks came out, well cooked. She's doing everything in the same cast. Well cooked. Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film. I'll give you two options. Okay.

The actual last like 18 seconds of the movie with like the weird final kiss when the people show up like, yeah, but like nobody hugs. And then it's like, oh shit, we forgot to have these two kiss. It just feels weird. I don't know if I'm support Yandaban on that one. You don't think JDB had the, I don't think he figured out the emotion of the last 30 seconds of the movie. Me and Kalika are watching it. She's like, what is this?

It just abruptly ends with a weird kiss. So now it's like they're planning a life together and now they kiss like the movie should have ended. It seemed like every writer that they hired quit before the last scene. Yeah, they just kind of gave up. They're like, I gotta go work on Talented Mr. Ripley. They're also probably so fucking exhausted. Just end the fucking shit and let's get to the credits. Dusty shows up with Jamie Girtz. She's like buttoning her blouse. That's the end! Much better. This is such weird fan fiction.

But the other weak link that I think is even more glaring than the actual ending is why would Bill and Dr. Melissa Reeves be together? What do those two have in common? Here's my theory. What? I don't get them as a couple at all. I have a theory. I'd sort of wanted to save this, but we could do it now if you want to talk about the relationship. I was going to do a reverse Z. Wantoneo and talk about the days before Twister. I think Bill...

the extreme had a bit of a drinking problem. Like, I think he liked to party. I think he liked to get after it. These stories about him being naked, throwing Jack Daniels at the storm. I think he gets, if not sober, clean, cleans his shit up.

Moves to Dallas. Tries to get a meteorology job. That's why it didn't work out with Joe? Maybe on a computer date, gets set up with Melissa. I would have thought he was in therapy with her. No, because she's a reproductive therapist. She's only dealing with couples who are trying to have babies or having babies or whatever. So he goes, he has a date with Melissa, and it's a quick engagement. It's like, you seem stable, I'm stable, let's get this going. And it turns out he's got a little bit more to him than that.

Yeah. I mean, I like that because it's obvious why they're together. Good sex? Yeah. They give each other a feeling. They're tornado fuckers. They can't fuck the tornadoes when they fuck each other. Joe and Bill. But what about Melissa and Bill? Oh, that was him trying to be regular. Everybody knows that girl. After you've done all you try to be regular, I'm going to settle down now. I'm going to get somebody regular. I'm going to do that. But you still like strippers.

You know what I mean? Like, you still like storm chasers. You still like storm chasers. When he gets around her, he came alive. And that's really what she peeped. She peeped that relationship. Yeah. She could never, ever give him what he's going to get from Joe because they shared his passion together. The whole movie, when I say the movie's erotic, think about the scene where they're under the bridge or whatever.

they're wet. She's trying to crawl away. He grabs her. He has to hold her. Yeah. You know, they just get pushed together by the tornado. It's cool too because when he shows up with Melissa for the first time, he's got the ill-fitting sports jacket. He kind of looks like a nerd. He's like, I'm not back. I'm not back. And then as the movie goes on, he gets fucking cooler and cooler. Yeah. Now it's just like the shirt that's rolled up on the sleeves and he's got his boots and his wranglers and he's just

He's just like a cool guy. They desexualized Dr. Melissa Reeves a tiny bit. They gave her a bad hairdo. Jamie Girtz is more attractive than she is in this movie, I think intentionally. Because I don't think they want her to be like, oh man, Dr. Melissa is a smoke show. They didn't want her to be a smoke show. They want her to be this stable...

kind of boring doctor. But that character existed so many times. Yeah. You see that character all the time. They flip it in rom-coms. Usually it's the guy. It's like Bill Pullman and Sleepless in Seattle and Greg Kinnear and You Got Mail. Yeah. What's aged the worst? My number one. Well, actually, I have two really good ones. What do you have, CR? What's aged the worst? Yeah. Well, I'll give you one. I wanted...

11 more seconds from Dr. Jonas' death scene. The thing goes through. I see his hand come off of his fucking body. Like something goes through and takes out our driver, that guy from Philadelphia. But then the car gets sucked up

And then we just kind of see the car and they're watching and then it crashes. But I kind of wanted Dr. Joe to just, like five, six seconds. Maybe in the Simmons cut. I'm sure they have. Simmons cut. It's way. It is kind of terrifying to see from a long distance that truck just fly up in the air like that. Yeah. I don't know. Having my, my what's age. The worst is probably having a map guy.

Probably not a very gross business anymore. It's true. She's like, can you look this up? Yeah, here you go. Here's my phone. The drive-in movie, man. They just closed the Mission Tiki drive-in in Montclair. The drive-in movie came back during the pandemic, but now it's gone again. It aged pretty poorly. So Helen Hunt, good athlete. She was in Quarterback Princess. I sent you guys the clip. Mm-hmm.

I'm just not happy with her running in this movie. I don't, I think it really kind of, if you really watch, it's a little Seagal-ish. Do you think it's because she was concussed? If her and Seagal, she's just kind of like, they're trying to run the cornfield and her, like, she's just not going fast and she's not coordinated. I think there was a lot of obstacles though.

I don't know. I feel like there's some other actresses that would have dusted that part. He put my girl Sandy Bullock in there. Do you think she's just dead sprinting? I think she's just like freaking cruise in 90 cruise movies. Way too attractive for this movie. Sandra Bullock. Yeah. Not going to work. I didn't like the running. I didn't think. And DuBois, one of the shots he took, he called her clumsy because he blamed Helen Hunt for getting concussed on the set. He's like, well, Helen always was a little clumsy. Yeah.

I want an NFL coach to do that. Next time, like, a slot receiver gets it. Yeah, well, she got to learn how to avoid those. Our guy, Jan Dubont, missed the explosion of an oil tanker that wasn't caught on film, and they had to do it again for a rumored $500,000. That's what the fuck I'm talking about. Yeah, it's what we used to do. I missed it. We used to be like, do it again. Bring me another one. Fucking camera wasn't working. Let's do it again. That's what the fuck I'm talking about. We missed it. We didn't get it.

Carrie Elwes was definitely cut back significantly, but those scenes are not online. Yeah, unfortunately. I would throw those online. Yeah. So there's an early scene where Philip Seymour Hoffman's sitting on a lawn chair and he lifts his leg up while he's laughing and you can see his genitals for a split second that they had to edit out of future DVD and VHS releases. Did you try to freeze frame? I did not. Yeah. I did not. I trusted the story on that. The Beans and Franks got away there for a second. Yeah.

Does that mean he was going commando? I think he might have been going commando. That's great. You were showing Joe. My last one for what stage the worst. Helen Hunt, put a ponytail on during most of this movie. I think that's the move with the hair. I don't know if there was ever a time when that haircut was in. With the bangs in the front, with the...

kind of long it's a little kid rockish i don't know i just it's not a great haircut craig what'd you think of that haircut uh i didn't put a lot of thought into it to be honest yeah craig what do you think of women's hair yeah i just don't like that comment on hell this is definitely a ponytail you have priors like you you definitely like you zero in don't like the hair okay

Any other would say Jaws? They do a lot of cutaways to, I think, an unnamed meteorological center where they're, like, looking at the storms coming together. And we have no context of where it is? I also don't need the context. It's very apparent that the storms are bad. Yeah, we're good. We have storms. Yeah. And personally, for me, I didn't need the Steven Spielberg shit of, like, my trauma with my dad. It's a scary enough movie. That doesn't work, like, at all. And, like, I'm...

I don't understand how some of the trauma gets played out in these movies. I think that's another thing that made the movie different culturally.

Because I look at these characters that you guys have, these great Caucasian characters. Batman. You know, your parents died. Caucasian character, Mount Rushmore. Batman and Dr. Joe Harding. Exactly. Of trauma. And then you spend the rest of your life, when you were a billionaire, you spent the rest of your life. Chasing your parent trauma. Yeah. Running around beating up criminals in the middle of the night when you could be out there having sex with models. Right. Which I guess he does sometimes. That might have been what he was doing. Mm-hmm.

Let's take one more break and then we'll get to the overacting.

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All right, the Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting award. They knew and they let it happen. Don't you call me lady. I come in here. I give these things to you. Give me all you got. Give me all you got. I treated you like a son. You fucking stabbed me in the heart. Fuck you. Fuck you.

What do you got, CR? Are you going to go there? No, I actually think, you know, he's got about half a dozen scenes in this movie. Carrie always, when he gets confronted about stealing Dorothy. His accent. He turns into Foghorn Leghorn. He's like, unrealized idea. His accent. His accent. He just can't do it. It's not worth it. What is the matter with you? You stole my design, you son of a bitch. Calm down. The hell are you talking about? Dorothy, you took her, you damn thief.

Oh, I get it. You want to take credit for my design. You're a liar. She was our idea and you know it. Unrealized idea. Unrealized. That ain't what it is.

That's what I hear. But what the fuck, man? The accent just goes. It's like an inherit the wind all of a sudden. It would have made more sense if he just played it English. Right. If he had just played it English and been the stuffy English guy that came over there and was trying to. That's a good call. They should have given him a mustache. They should have given him like a cool evil mustache too. Yeah. But when he opened, I forgot that he was going for the accent. I was like, God damn.

Was there a better title for this movie? Storm Chasers? F5? I have a couple of them. Cocker Storm? I really like Chaser. Like as in Caucasian Storm? Yeah, White Wind. Cocker Storm? Have you ever seen, speaking of white people... I have Magus. Have you ever seen White Squall? Yes, I've seen White Squall. I love it. I like that. It's white excellence right there. White Squall. These guys are on the boat. They're on the boat, bro. They fucking figured it out.

Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote? Is it just food? Food. Yeah, I like that. Or it's coming. It's, it's, I like when he's driving, when they're driving into the house and he goes, we're going in. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? Uh, Joe, good daughter, bad scientist. Don't really think she's got the level edge you need to take readings, analyze data, but

Not sure she's like the best at anything in that group. Can't see the tornado, how it shifts. Yeah, Bill's the fucking guy with the force who can figure out where it is. Map guy, radio guy, Doppler radar guy. She's got a God guy. What does Joe do? Except put people in danger. Most of all herself. She's a hustle player. Yeah. She's Russell Westbrook. She's a hustle player. It's just the tenacity that she's saying. No, but she's like Marcus Smart where it's like, why are you taking the last shot? Yeah.

I like that. Bill's kind of the point forward. He's powerful, but can also run the offense. Yeah, like the whole thing doesn't get going until they add him back onto the team. Yeah, right. Until he comes off the IR. Did you have a hot stick? I do. You don't have one, do you? No. Speeding up the time for tornado warnings. Overrated. I went and I searched this. And guess what?

It's still 10 to 15 minutes. Even now. They haven't sped it up since 1996. And guess what else? Sometimes there's no time for warnings. The whole premise of this movie is completely flawed. The premise of the movie being that they want to develop an earlier warning. Their science is going to make it so that it'll

be longer times. Because when they get to Wauketa, it's just like the air horn goes off and I didn't have time to get to the shelter. But guess what? They still have tornadoes that come out of nowhere and just take out towns. Was it 15 minutes then, though? Or have we gotten to the 15 minutes? Well, they were saying back then it was like three. Yeah. But now it's like they've padded a little 10 to 15 minutes, but they still have tornadoes that nobody knew was coming that just come out of nowhere.

I have my feeling about this is that if I was living in a place that's referred to as tornado alley anyway, and presumably you must hear about like, Oh, a tornado hit a couple of towns away. I would just maybe work from home that day and be in the shelter. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just going to be like,

We're going to go down to the shelter. We're going to bring some Scrabble. So you wouldn't fire up the drive-in date that night after the two tornadoes that afternoon. I mean, are we still seeing the shining? I don't know. They're picking my uncle out of some rubble. Starts at 730. I should be okay. I'll make it. There's been three of them. Did you want to be there for previews or no? We're going to the movies though. Don't tell me we're not going to the movies. If we're at the movies, we're going to see the tornadoes. We're going to be fine. I got tickets already. Yeah.

Casting what ifs. Spielberg initially attached to direct, which I think was the case for every single movie in the 90s. But then he exactly produced. And then it bounced around. And then Jan Dubant signed on after leaving Godzilla thanks to creative differences. With who? Godzilla? Maybe. Tom Hanks read for the part of Bill, but passed and suggested Paxton. He even got like the wardrobe and stuff. He was getting ready to do it. You know what that tells me?

That tells me that Paxton wouldn't have had this role. If not for Tom Hanks. If not for one of the big swinging dicks of the era saying, put this guy in the movie. It was a Tom Hanks deal that he would have done. Mere Sorvino considered to play Dr. Melissa Reeves. But? Did not want to dye her hair. That's it. What we got. Next category. There's one more then. What is it? Garth Brooks for Jonas.

Did you believe that? I didn't know. I chose to. Yeah, that felt too weird. I thought that that would have been awesome. Garth Brooks or like Dwight Yoakam. One of those guys was- Like Stunt Cast. Yeah. Chris Gaines could have played Yoakam. That would be funny. The Van Lathan Award. Did this movie need more black people? Absolutely not. There was one.

There was one black guy, when you see Jonas' crew, he's with them and he's laughing at the other guys. It needed less. The one black guy that was in here was an abomination for him to be around here running after tornadoes with these people. It makes absolutely zero sense. This is the one movie. Let's all say something. I'm a big believer in diversity, right?

I'm a big believer in diversity. But not all the time. Not in Twister. I'm just saying. Not in Wauketa, Oklahoma? Yeah. You just want to watch what these white people are going through. And this is a white-ass story about some storm chasers. I haven't seen the storm chasers, the black storm chasers yet. They might be out there. I haven't seen them. That's that guy word. That guy from Mad Men who played the mean comic, he's one of those guys. Which guy? Who are you talking about? This guy's got kind of the... He's got the wide eyes.

He was in Mad Men. Remember he insulted somebody's heavy wife and they made him apologize? Patrick Fischler? Is he one of Jonas' guys? Oh, that guy's been in a lot of shit. They show him and stuff. He's one of those guys. Yeah, he's in there. I had Zach Grenier. Well, I'll get to him. That guy from ER who was like one of the hospital attendants, he's in Jonas' crew. Yeah, it's been Ruby, man. Yeah. Joey Slotnick. Of course. I think it's Joey Slotnick. I don't know if it's that guy. Is Joey Slotnick? Yeah.

He's right on the fringe. Yeah. But the answer is Zach Grenier. Grenier, sorry. Not Grenier. Grenier. I think Grenier is good. He was in Philadelphia. He's like, hey, bud, what's up? What's up in your face? Hey, bud. It's a racquetball accident. He's got hit by a racquetball. He's a bunch of stuff, though. He's in Fight Club. He's one of those faces. Never knew what that guy's name was. It's a Fight Club. He's beating the shit out of himself. He's behind a desk, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Dion Waiters Award. I have Todd Field because Hoffman's got too much screen time. Todd Field when he's like, that's no moon. That shit is so good. That is funny. I had Hoffman. He's in too much of it? He's in too much. Yeah, he's like the number four lead. The Golden Retriever I thought was really good. We don't usually have dogs. Is that Meg's dog? Yeah. What about Meg? People going back into houses for domestic pets. It's just like, come on. How about Meg? I gotta be honest with you.

tornado comes, I'm going to get Bozeman, man. Yeah, me too. There's no way I'm not protecting Murph. Nah, I can't get another Bozeman. He has his own personality. I'm telling you, he has his own personality. He's got his own thing. I know what he does. We communicate. I can't do it. You know what Twister is for dogs? July 4th. The fireworks. It's their version of the Wakita drive-in just getting demolished. So they hear every firework. Um...

So what do we have for Dan Waiterson? Todd Field? I have Todd Field. You want to put in Jonas? Cary Elwes is Jonas? Jonas could almost be. He's not that good. But he doesn't really do anything. Yeah, so I'm not like that was an incredible performance, given what it was. Todd Field makes the Repo Man joke, and then he makes the Star Wars joke. It's perfect.

Let's give it to him because he's only made three movies in 21 years and we liked all of them. We want to make more. Maybe this will inspire him. Recast the couch. This is the thing that's going to push him over the edge. Recast the couch. Dion Waiters for Twister. Director City. So we're good with the leads. Could we get bigger actress for Aunt Meg? Who was available at the time? Ellen Burstyn. Sally Field coming off Forrest Gump. Sally Field's not going to do that. Movie made $500 million. Jessica Lange. Not big enough for Sally.

Needs to be somebody I can see living in Oklahoma. It could be younger. It's an aunt. She's a sculptor. She could be a little bit like maybe she spent some time in New York in the 80s. You know, like it could be funky. Could be. Sarandon? Sarandon. Sarandon, maybe. That's a good one. That works. What about, what's her face? Warren Beatty's sister.

Oh, Shirley MacLaine. Shirley MacLaine. Weren't Beatty's sister Shirley MacLaine? Yeah. Yeah. Come on, Chris. I didn't know. It's facts. Debra Winger? Too young? Probably too young. Here's the thing, though. Ant can't flirt with sexy. I feel like Sally Field was still flirting with sexy in Forrest Gump. Yeah, we got to feel like maybe Dusty stopped by there. You don't think so? I mean, she did have sex. She's not flirting with sexy. She's good in Forrest Gump. She still had that thing. I agree with you.

What about, what if it, what, nevermind. Go for it. Now I want to hear it. I have to hear it. Where's Aunt Meg a place where we could diversify? See, this is the fuck I'm talking about. See, that works. Now, that meal just got way better. The food seems different. Darlene Love? You know what I mean? That meal just got way, way better. That's perfect. Yeah, that's good. And then, you feel a little bit more attached to Joe because, you know, Joe got some black people in our families a little bit. You know, that works. See?

We're changing the Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, director's commentary category. Okay. We're now making all sports announcers eligible for this category. And changing it to what sports announcer would you want for this director's commentary for this movie? And by the way, Romo and Collinsworth are still on the table. Are you going to... You're looking at me like I was prepared for this. My pick is Doris Berg. I knew you were going to do it. I was like, I bet he's going to do it. Go ahead.

It's just a phenomenal read of the tornado by Bill. And as much as I think Dr. Jonas was doing a terrific job in his own right, I don't want to blame anyone here, but it's clearly a mistake that he didn't listen and got sucked to his awful death. He would never call her. She would never call him Dr. Joseph. It would be like, Joe, Joe is doing a good job too out there. I don't know. I was, I was working shopping some doors. I like it. I think Tony could work too though. Yeah.

Another tornado! Gals are in the air, Jim! Fourth one! Half-Festernet Research. Meteorology majors in the United States increased by about 10% after this movie. Interesting. University of Oklahoma saw its program double. The real town of Wakita

was used during filming. They used an older part and they demolished a bunch of houses and paid, bought all the houses. They like bought, it was, it's crazy when you see like what the houses were. They paid like, it was like $75,000 for 10 houses. There was some crazy shit like that. Were we aware of storm chasers in the zeitgeist before this? No, we were not. That was one of the reasons we should have mentioned this in the top. I really don't know. Nobody knew anything about this whole world. We just knew from Weatherman.

I'm trying to think. Chris is thinking. I'm thinking just because, was this before or after the phenomenon of weather people standing out in the middle of this shit? That's been around for a while. I'm talking about like- Like where a guy's just like- Reporting live from- Hurricanes hitting the Jersey Shore. I'm going. 60 mile an hour winds? Yeah. But I'm talking about like- The actual science of it. People getting in a goddamn truck chasing after a tornado so they could study it. I don't think people know. I don't remember whether or not we did or not. Um-

So not only did Helen Hunt get blinded, but she, when they're in that unsanitary ditch in the first tornado chase scene, they both had to get hepatitis shots because it turned out there was a ton of bacteria in that ditch. And then Hunt got hurt and maybe got a concussion. And then, uh, Jan called her clumsy. And she said, clumsy, the guy burned my retinas. But if I'm clumsy, I thought I was a good sport. And then, uh,

They just had a bunch of shit thrown at them and were pretty beaten up by the end of this movie. He released a second DVD. This was the era of the DVDs would come out in like 97 and they were terrible. And then it would be like three, four years later. Hey, it's another DVD. I just, I already have this. Taylor's version. They did a Blu-ray, did an HD DVD as well. On May 24th, 1996, a tornado destroyed screen number three in Ontario at a drive-in theater.

That was scheduled to show Twister that night. Ontario, California? Ontario, Canada. Oh. I didn't know they had... They were showing Twister and the actual tornado blew it up. How far north did Twister go? I was about to say, because Ontario's... I think we had one in Philly recently, but it was light, but it was still bad. Yeah. Some Bill Paxton trivia for you. When he was eight years old, he was in Fort Worth, Texas and saw John F. Kennedy Jr.'s last speech before he got assassinated. Hmm.

Damn. Yeah. Apex Mountain, Bill Paxton. Wait, I had one more internet research. Two JDB facts. He was a staunch vegetarian and hated the ant-meg scene. Wow. And... Just sounds like he sucked. Huge Tori Amos fan and personally appealed to her to appear on the soundtrack.

I'm telling you, they should bring back guys like that, man. Yeah, man. They should bring back guys like that. Guys who are just vegetarian Tori Amos fans. Vegetarian Tori Amos. Like blinding hell. That is not somebody I was hanging out with in the 90s. Apex Mountain, Paxton, I'm going to say yes.

Helen Hunt probably winning an Oscar a year later. Hoffman, no. How about the Dodge Ram? Now called the Ram. I feel like it's had pretty sustained success. Was Dodge Ram like a rock, the Bob Seger commercial? Like a rock. Or is that Chevy? No, that was Chevy. That was Chevy. The Dodge Ram, I guess so, maybe. I don't know. I'm trying to think. It's probably on its way out. It feels like the F-150 kind of. F-150 became the truck. Have you ever had a pickup truck?

No, but I'm always jealous of the F-150s. Why? They just seem like cool cars. I always think when I see them, I've had a couple friends get them in the past. I ask them questions about what do you do with it? How many groceries can you fit in there? Would you make Ben ride in the back? Yeah, there's no question. It seems gigantic and unwieldy, but I've always been interested in it. It's a good truck. Tornadoes? Apex Mountain? Yeah, in the movie, for sure. Gravy? Gravy?

No. No. Fuck no. What was the apex mountain for gravy? It's not this. I can tell you that much. What would it be then? It's not this. Jamie Girtz, no. Post David Rodman. What's Jamie Girtz's Zachary Risoche? Atlanta Hawks ownership. Lost Boys? Keeping Trae Young. Lost Boys. Lost Boys. No, I personally think it's less. It's what was the downy one when he dies at the end? Well, if you can't remember, it's probably not her apex mountain. It's less than zero. I felt like she was one of the biggest stars.

under 25 female actresses on the rise. She was like neck and neck with Demi Moore in 87. If it's less than zero, it's The Lost Boys. Maybe it's The Lost Boys. It's somewhere in there. It's one of those two. Yeah. Flying Cows, yes. Oklahoma, no. The Shining, no. Can I ask you one? Yeah. Is this Apex Mountain for 90s disaster movies?

If you consider it a disaster movie. So this is what I would say. This Jurassic. Let me throw you. I think. I don't think so. But. It depends on. Because this. It depends on your definition of a disaster movie. Because there are a couple in there. Armageddon. Okay. I consider Outbreak a disaster movie. Okay. This is bigger than Outbreak. Dante's Peak. And Deep Impact. Independence Day. And Independence Day. That's what I was about to say. I think it's Independence Day. If you count Independence Day as a disaster movie. I argue.

that invasion movies are not disaster movies. Oh, it's a separate class. I argue that invasion movies, not disaster movies. Disaster movies have to be something... Well, aren't invasion movies alien movies? Basically. But you consider Armageddon a disaster movie, right? Yeah, because disasters are hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and... Asteroids. When you say disaster, I consider it to be... Asteroids are invasions though, right? No, that's not an alien. But it's a natural occurrence though.

Oh, I see what you're saying. So I consider disaster movies to be natural disaster movies. This went bad. Even sometimes something that's man-made. But so do you consider Jurassic Park a disaster movie because the dinosaurs getting out is a disaster? No, actually, I don't really consider that a disaster movie because it's a contained thing that happens in one place. Because that's the same rationale as using it. Like Apollo 13 is not a disaster movie just because something goes wrong.

Right. So to me, if you count Independence Day, it's definitely Independence Day. But if you don't, it's between... I like the categories. I think you're right. The other thing you just made me realize is I don't feel like we're doing a good enough job with disaster movies anymore. No, we're not. Because we had these two different runs, right? The 70s, we had this awesome run. Poseidon Adventure and all those movies.

Towering Inferno. And then we had in the 90s, we had all the movies you just mentioned. But this goes back to Van's original point. San Andreas I'm so mad about. They fucked that stuff up because, no offense to him, The Rock should not be in those movies. Mm-hmm.

No, he's not every man enough. Adam Driver, normal, like some normal looking dude should be in those movies. The Rock's never in peril. It's the same reason why they didn't want- These movies are all really good because they take really good actors and they're like, just be in this blockbuster for us. There's one guy keeping it alive.

What's the guy? Gerard Butler. No, no. Roland Emmerich. He had The Day After Tomorrow. I'm pretty sure he did that one. That one wasn't a bad disaster movie. Didn't he direct Greenland? Didn't he direct the Gerard Butler one? I think he did. Gerard Butler keeps disaster movies rocking. Geostorm and Moon, whatever. There are a couple of them. They could be better, but they don't hit anymore because also every disaster movie now,

It's trying to make some grander statement about climate change or something like that. So it's just, it's different. We don't need disaster movies anymore because we had the Lakers. Okay. Well done. Jesus Christ. Look at all this hubris from you. What do you mean? Look at all this hubris from you. They won the Jabari Smith trade. Yeah, they won the Jabari Smith trade. This is going to be hard. Cruz or Hanks? It's Hanks. He was almost in it. He was almost in the movie.

Cruise is too good looking for this. That's not the answer. Yeah, but Hanks... Cruise is too good looking for this. It's not too hard. This is a perfect Hanks movie. And yet it's an amazing Tom Cruise movie. This is an amazing Tom Cruise movie. He could run. Him running through the cornfield with Helen Hunt. Him having some weird relationship with the previous... Do you think he would allow Joe... Like, do you think Tom Cruise being in this movie would allow the other character to be the person who has to overcome their grief?

Like, is he benevolent enough? You're right, it's Hanks. I just wanted to talk about Cruise. I'll tell you, if you put Cruise in it, number one, the women are different. The two women are different. It's fucking Kelly Lynch. Right. I mean, the two... Elizabeth Shue is Dr. Melissa Reeves. Yeah. What do you think, Craig? It's Hanks, but then I... When I imagine a scene of Cruise out running a tornado in a scene, I'm like, man...

It's the movie Cruise never made in the 90s that he should have made. He should have made one movie like this where it's in the, and then he eventually does it in War of the Worlds, what, seven, eight years later. But. It's more grounded with Hanks. It's more ridiculous. He's doing, at this point, he's doing like Far and Away and he's doing Interview with the Vampire and Jerry Maguire and Eyes Wide Shut. But he needed like one of these in here. I thought about something while I was thinking about the Cruise versus Hanks thing. What if you throw in Denzel?

How is this movie different? Cruz or Hanks or Denzel? I'm just saying, not all the time. Just in this movie. What if Denzel is the lead in this movie? What happens? He's too cool. I'm never scared of him losing to the Tornado. Because it's the same like in Jaws. Charlton Heston wanted to be Brody. But it just doesn't work. And Spielberg's like, you're too cool. Nobody's going to think you're going to lose to the shark. You're Charlton Heston.

And I feel that way about Denzel sometimes. Like he's almost like he's too cool to be in movies like this. The only reason why he is, the only reason why I said that, I thought about it when I was looking back on it at night. He never tried one like this. Maybe Unstoppable. I mean Crimson Tide. He did the Tony Scott ones, I guess is the closest. Unstoppable is probably the closest. Unstoppable. He's a little older at that point.

Racehorse, Rock Band, Wrestler, or Fantasy Team name. I'll give you the Suck Zone, Storm Chasers, or Welcome to Rikita. Welcome to Rikita is a good horse name. Pretty good, right? All right, pick a Nitz. Dorothy.

Kind of stupid. Like a dumb device. It could just get knocked over and spill all the stuff that you painstakingly made. Is it also that hard to just, you only had four of them? Like, can't you have like a hundred of those in a warehouse? You just have a remote control that the thing stays locked until you open it and then the things fly out. It just falls, it tips over and that's it. Also, don't even, so they built wings for the sensors basically? In like six hours. That's why they had all the coffee. Yeah, she had to spark a genius.

They never, this is my wife's biggest nitpick because I made her watch this with me. They never, ever really get hit by a tornado debris, which is why pretty much everyone dies in tornadoes because there's just debris everywhere. And these two go to five different tornadoes that they're in. And it's just like, whoa, another speedboat flew by. Only Preacher really gets scraped up. Right. That's it. Everybody else is scotch free. Scotch free. Why'd they get divorced? Well, they talked a little bit about it.

Not enough. I still don't really have an answer. But, I mean, she was on... They were on different paths. He needed more from her, and she couldn't get it. Oh, because he was never going to be enough, not while the F5 was out there. Remember he said to her, like, I'm right in front of you. Is that a real reason somebody gets divorced? I'm telling you, the extreme used to get after it. Yeah. And he knew he needed to walk away from it. Yeah, see, I feel like there's a half a scene missing where it's like the extreme...

The extreme did the Fredo on two cocktail waitresses. What? The extreme was feeling it last night. You think the extreme got... He got canceled by the storm chaser community? I think he Fredo'd some bar in Makita.

That was that. It would be great if they went into like one bar and the bartender's like, not you. Get the fuck out. I lost half my weight staff. We told you a long time ago. You weren't welcome here. That was an antique jukebox. Oh my God. Um,

I just want to point out they have five hurricanes in a 24-hour span. Five tornadoes. I feel like that would be a legendary, catastrophic day in America. The five-tornado Oklahoma Day. Something like that has to happen. It would not have been the night for an outdoor movie. No. The drive-in shut down that night, and the two people that are working in the little Sunday cheeseburger place probably calling in sick. Yeah.

Can't you just like have a bunch of Dorothys and just have them sitting in the town every day? Like, why do you need to be, why do you need to like wait for a tornado then go set the door? Just make like 20 Dorothys. I mean, I think the implication is like they're running out of like, there's only so much more money. So they need to show results. So total tornadoes on the biggest tornado day. Yeah. In Texas.

At one point, at one day, there were 66 tornadoes in Texas in one day. Well, Texas is huge, though. In Oklahoma, the record is 58.

In one day? Yeah. In Iowa, the record is 70. Jesus. What are they counting as a tornado? Actually, that's Kansas. And Iowa is 34. I don't know. That's a tornado. But like, is there, can it be like, that's a tornado, but it was like a bad dust storm and it counts? Maybe. What's an F1?

What's like, what's an F1 tornado? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess what the, they would judge it by wind speed or size. I'm not sure. For as much as the only other nitpick I have is for as much as I enjoy the scene.

It's so popping on that day. There's no way Joe actually lets them take however long it takes for Meg to make everybody steak and eggs. She showers and blow dries her hair. Bill showers. They're hanging out, drinking homemade lemonade, and then they get caught flat-footed when another tornado pops up. It's a good call.

Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable while they're making the sequel. Twisters. The prequel would be Jonas, Jill, and Bill at the lab that they all came up working at? No, the prequel is called The Extreme. Twister, The Extreme. It's just Bill going sideways. It's like leaving Las Vegas with tornadoes in Oklahoma. If you're casting the prequel younger in, let's say, 99 or 2000,

You're casting the prequel younger. Who do you cast as Bill? Who's the young Bill in 2000? Affleck. He's too old at that point. Is he? How young? Because the extreme at this point is like 42. It's like Heath Ledger.

You're getting, no, seriously. It's somebody who's like, probably like 24 in 1999, right? So Heath Ledger. Going backwards to be younger Bill Paxton. Yeah. The first. Or Toby McGuire. There's another sequel idea that I think they left on the table. Yeah. Which is Dr. Melissa Reeves' life after

Twister? Oh, that's the HBO show. Now it's like hardcore sex advice. The show is called After the Storm. Well, I mean, she's totally changed. Yeah. She has a radio call-in show. But it's like Bill Paxton. They made that show. It's Tell Me You Love Me. She's the sex therapist who gets it on with the clients. And Bill pops in. Yeah. They pop in as a couple. They're married. Her trauma is gone.

She's running the bunny ranch. She's doing a whole bunch of different shows on HBO. She just dips into her sexuality at that point. It's not where I was going with it, but yeah. She got completely dumped by the tornado guy who went back to his ex-wife. How long does her fling with Dusty last?

Oh, that's 30 minutes. Yeah. Yeah, that's just, that's not about love. Dusty hits it twice. It's not about sex, Chris. Yeah. Dusty hits it twice. Dusty's like, I'm not even wearing underwear. Yeah, Dusty hits it twice. He's out. You know what I mean? Is this movie better with Wayne Jackets, Danny Trejo, Sam Jackson, JT Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harley Mays, Eva Laffey, Ramon Raymond?

Philip Baker Hall or Yondu Butt? I'm adding somebody to the category. Who is it? Bill Paxton from Aliens. Hudson. Cows! That's just fucking great, man! Game over! What the fuck are we going to do now? Bill Paxton. I like that. That's a good idea for a category. Somebody playing a character from their past. A different character from their own repertoire. If Paxton just does Hudson, it's fucking rules. Just one Oscar, who gets it?

Special effects? Yeah, the VFX. Probably unanswerable questions. I've been waiting for an hour and a half to ask you guys this. So Bill doesn't show up that day for the signature. Who's driving Joe? Who is the backup driver in this crew? Is it Todd Field?

Yeah, probably. Somebody's got to be in the lead car, right? It's not Dusty. He's too... Dusty's got his own car. He's got his own... He's got everything the way he likes it. There's some other driver though, right? So somebody kind of lost their spot on the greatest tornado day ever. I have a different... Some bitterness in the team? Yeah. I have a different one. If Bill... If Bill Paxton's character doesn't show up, does Joe die?

Oh, like does she get killed that day? Like this is it. Because, because. He's not there for the biggest twist of the day ever. No, because they lose the truck the first time. But she keeps trying to go back into different tornadoes. Yeah, she does. Does her, does her trauma make her do, because she keeps trying to go back. He saves her life and actually puts her on the right road. Yeah. But does she die? Is this her last day on earth if she's not there? I think yes. Okay. That's a great question.

Do you think when they're talking about Jonas, it's like Jonas is in it for the money, not the science. Yeah. What kind of money are we talking about?

like how much could be but like how much could be in store like a like a 48 000 grant yeah like what are we talking about like who's is there like an evil company funding jonas or evil yeah like well think about it to harness the power of tornadoes what is the profit upside of dr jonas's business there's no social media yeah does he have a tv show like how is he turning a profit

I don't know. Yeah, like what is he doing that's making money? Do you think it's like a private company would have the tech for early detection of tornadoes and then they would charge the government for that? Whereas like Joe and Bill would just give it straight. Well, he's trying to prove his shit so that he can sell it. This is why we needed more scenes with Jonas. We need him being like, yo, Bill. Yeah, the economics for this are really interesting. Bill.

That's the scene. Guy Jeff Bezos is starting Amazon. He also cares about the weather. The scene is him trying to get corrupt Bill to the dark side of storm chasing with the bread, and Bill says no. Yeah. And Bill says, the last time I was at this bar, I had two waitresses at the same time. You ever seen The Godfather? I frayed out this place. Then I threw up on myself. Frayed out this place.

Extreme. Oh, man. I wonder if people are going to be disappointed because we're way more interested in this fake version of Twister than actually addressing Twister. Joe's got a black on. That's right. Felicia Rashad, Joe's black on. Straight off Cosby. Oh, my God. I have two more unanswerable questions.

Is this movie better if one of the inner circle dies? No. Do the stakes change at all? I don't think so. My answer is no, but I wanted to talk about it. If Preacher died, I think it would have been like the level of character you'd be comfortable dying. But I don't know if it's the kind of movie you just like want all the time if it has a bunch of deaths in it. Like Preacher just gets decapitated by that thing. Yeah. It's a different movie at that point. You know, I agree. The...

The tornadoes are dangerous in the movie, but almost as a distraction. I mean, they're dangerous. To the rom-com that is actually happening. Right. What's-His-Face dies, and that kind of sets the stakes that you could die doing it. What is the single scariest disaster of all the possible movie disasters for you personally? Oh, wow. Good question. Earthquake, tornado, hurricane. For me, it's tsunami. I don't understand tsunamis.

Tsunamis just sound... Is it just like a big-ass wave? Like, what is it? Like, tsunami happens, and that's basically it. It's an earthquake underwater. I know it's an earthquake underwater. But you don't know all of a sudden this wave, and then just every... There's water, and that's it. I really don't like earthquakes. Like, when we've been here for bad ones, I really don't like the rolling. And then I get, like, a little freaked out about how L.A. is like... It's a desert on one side and an ocean on the other side, and you're kind of stuck here. Yeah. Yeah.

Earthquakes for you. Earthquakes. It's the tornado for me because...

The tornado is so unpredictable and violent. It just shifts. It just shifts and it just whips your... And you have to make a split decision. I guess with an earthquake, you do too. You have to make a split decision about what you're going to do. I feel like with the tornado, at least I can get in my car and drive as fast as possible and maybe try to escape it. That would be the last thing you do, but yeah. That's it, you don't want to do that? No, you. I just think I could just see you being like...

Tornado, I'm getting in the car. I'm going this way. What is it for you, Craig? Earthquake. I think you have some sense of agency in a tornado. You at least, like Bill said, you at least think you could escape. Yeah, it's fucking crazy when the ground is rolling in an earthquake. I really don't like that. Nobody's ever come up with the right people when they talk about earthquakes. Oh, stand on a door frame. Get under the doorway. It's like, that's fucking not, I don't, there's no place to go that you feel good in an earthquake.

Fun topic. Best double feature choice. It's got to be Speed, right? Just a Yann Dubon double feature. You could do JTB. You could do... I had Independence Day just because same summer. Disaster. Yeah. Deep Impact. Oh no, this movie is Deep Impact coded to me. I like Deep Impact. The Indian Red Zawadney Award for What Happened the Next Day.

I just don't think Bill and Joe last. No, the extreme, he becomes Rob Marciano like way before he, you know, like he just starts to be like the hot guy who's like in stores. And who is Joe now that she's seen the F5? What happens to her? What are her next couple years look like? I mean, to be honest with you, she's been chasing her trauma for so long she got to it. Now she's kind of fucked. Yeah, now it happens. I do think that something happens. I think they get pregnant.

I think there's just so much fucking for the next five to six days. I think they get pregnant and then after the baby's born for a little while, they're...

They probably get a divorce, but there's definitely a kid. And really, that's what Twisters should have been. Is there kids? It should have been their kid who is now chasing the story. I don't even know. Is it not that? I don't think so. I always thought Glenn Powell was their kid. Is he their kid? I think there's some sort of connection. Oh, could be. Because there's a different kind of Dorothy in this one, except this Dorothy can destroy the Twister.

What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Philip Seymour Hoffman's Oklahoma Sooners hat. Oh, that's a good one.

We ruled out cars for this category, but the Dodge Ram that they used would be a good one to have. This is like the fourth time you've mentioned the Dodge Ram. You're really fucking with it. Bill, why don't you get your truck, bro? Get a truck. Bill, get a truck. I like the F-150 more than the Dodge Ram. Guys, don't do this to me. I'm going to be Googling this shit tonight. Bill, I'm serious. Get the truck. Get the truck, man. On the weekend, you out your truck.

man, come drive in my truck with me. The Coach Finstock Award Best Life Lesson. Stop living in the past and look what you got right in front of you. That's right. Here we are. Who won the movie? The Tornadoes. It wasn't Jan Dubat. It was the Tornadoes. The Tornadoes did. Really? Yeah. I think the whole movie, I would say that

The whole movie changed the tornado situation forever. Why not Jan de Bont? Just because he pushed a couple buttons? I mean, he made some really great movies in the 90s. It was good. You know what's interesting? I think you're right. It's the tornadoes. But as the years pass, Hoffman's performance is the most fascinating because he turned out to be one of the greatest actors in the last 40 years. Also, just like, what great choices with like the fucking Baja, the Sooners hat, the crazy outfits he's wearing. His energy in all the scenes where he's just like...

My part, they gave me nothing except my name's Dusty and I'm a little crazy. We skipped the Rish Alton award. I was going to say the two moments that are the fucking best moments are him when he realizes the storm is going for Meg's town. Yeah. And he has to tell Joe. And then when Joe is in the ambulance with Meg and Hoffman's like, I hate to tell you this, but an F5 is about to fucking hit. Like somewhere else. We got to go. Like it's just expository dialogue, but done really well.

Craig, what are your thoughts? You know, I've never seen it. What? Never saw it. Yeah. Or if I did, I don't remember seeing it. Yeah, maybe I think I might be just moving into a different stage in my life. And maybe I just have like 90s nostalgia glasses on. But this is like everything I want in a movie. Yeah. Tight, under two hours. Simple, kind of basically just one storyline. You buy the emotion. They set it up quick.

The ice cold beer of movies. Yeah. It's the perfect blend of CGI and practical effects this era, late 90s, early 2000s. And also, so I watched this movie on a plane and we need to make a list of movies that are enhanced by turbulence.

Interesting. Oh. I was like a little bumpy on the way to Wyoming and I was like, this is making this movie go from a nine to a 10 for me. Wow. You know, the F5's hitting, I'm rattling a little bit. Were you just watching on the back of the seat? What? Screen or did you have like an iPad? On an iPad. Okay.

And I'm rattling. The heart rate's a little elevated in a plane just naturally. There's certain movies that just hit a little harder on the plane. I feel like all the Fast and Furious movies are like that. They're better on planes. They are. Craig, I got to tell you something, bro. We used to just have fun at the movies, man. Craig needs a plane to feel something when he watches a movie. Did Hoffman leap out to you as being awesome in this movie? No. I'm going to debate this thing since you just asked.

Do it. I thought we were going to do this for the overacting work because he does dial it up twice. The extreme. I haven't seen every Hoffman movie, obviously, but Magnolia, Boogie Nights, Ripley, Along Came Polly, Twister. I personally don't have a huge relationship to Hoffman. I,

I kind of feel like he's the same guy when he's playing the supporting character in all these movies. But that's what character actors kind of do a little bit. If Sean was here, I feel like... I was just about to say, somebody go get Sean. This really is like the hottest fucking take I've ever heard. Oh my God. Look, I've seen like the master. He's incredible in that. But every supporting role, Hoffman, he's kind of just like this goofy, weird, energetic...

To me, he's just the same guy in different clothes. So you think... Just real quick. You think Philip Seymour Hoffman is the same actor in Boogie Nights that he is in The Talented Mr. Ripley? I wouldn't throw in Ripley in that, but I could see...

I can see the Boogie Nights, Twister, That connection is right there. He's just always like the weird, goofy, loner guy who's like in the group, but he's, no one's actually his friend. And he's always that guy as a supporting character in every movie. He's like the weird guy of the group. He's so lucky this is buried so late in the pod. They'll never let him back on Letterboxd.

Did you pick up from the movie at all what we got obsessed with about, like, Bill drinking and being, like, a party animal and getting Fredo-ing? Yeah, a little bit. I don't know if I went as far as to think of the Fredo stuff. But, yeah, you know...

I wanted to ask about Paxton and how famous he and Hunt were when this movie came out. Were they a draw or was it like tornadoes? No. I just think it's like a time... It was the game manager thing. But it was also like coming off of Jurassic Park where it was like Sam Neill and Laura Dern were like well-known but not famous actors.

People were not going to see Sam Neill. Smart way to do it because then the other thing, we should have mentioned this at the top, part of the marketing of the movie is about how these two haven't had a big chance like this yet and then it's like the Bill Paxton feature. The twister poster is the twister. Yeah. But I mean, a couple years later and I don't know, actually the next year, Titanic comes out and that's a huge movie about the boat and

And those two people, Leonardo DiCaprio was a known actor, but those two people are not like A-list stars at the time. But what I like about Twister. It became the playbook for it. Star Wars did it too with Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman. But what I like about Twister, I mean, Titanic's obviously great too, but they make, I mean, Leo's a heartthrob in Titanic. I don't feel like they make Bill Paxton a heartthrob in this movie.

yeah you know they don't go too much into that he's the steady hand yeah yeah that's why he's kind of the brock purdy because he's the steady hand the guy that's not going to make the mistake is going to get you to the end or the gardner men's shoe yeah right what you don't want to do is you overpay like the eagles of jalen hurts where you're can we thank somebody 50 million bucks to be the lead on the poster but you really could have paid 20. you know what i mean stuff

He'll figure it out. Chris, you got Paul George. Why are you so salty? The big three is back. Philly Sports is looking up. You got another Philly Sports pod? The Phillies look good. Yeah, the Phillies do look good. Half the team's hurt. You got Caleb Barton. Stole him from the Heat. What's happening? No. No, I'm just waiting. Just trying to cheer you up. Yeah. I don't need cheering up. Just saw Twister with my guys. Thought we were friends.

This podcast was produced by Craig Horoback. That was Twister. You can watch this on The Ringer Movies YouTube channel as well. Thursday, Rewatchables 1999. What do we have? For Love of the Game? Yeah, that's Thursday from the... We taped it in 2019. Kevin Costner. I have a lot of Kelly Preston thoughts on that podcast. Is he on Verizon? Not a performance that I'd love. Did you go back to make sure they're ripe for mass consumption?

I think they were because 2018 wasn't that long ago. Yeah. Yeah. That movie's a baseball movie that also has this rom-com trapped in it. And the baseball movie's a million times more interesting than the rom-com part. Anyway. Good to see you guys. Nice to see you. Nice to see you, Bill.