261. A Hate That Killed - The Life and Death of Blaze Bernstein
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There is a pretty important game on right now. Alabama versus Robert Morris. And Morris is hanging on. They're down by four points. There's four minutes left. So if you're on YouTube and you casually see me looking at my phone, that's why. But don't worry. Payton is going to be locked and loaded, ready to go. So there's nothing to worry about. And just remember before you're like, he hates this.

He hates it. Remember? But I do it because I love you guys. He's a full-blown hater. He still hates true crime and genuinely does not enjoy listening to these cases. It's true. It is true. But I'm here. I'm ready to get into this case. I've just been watching March Madness. Peyton and I were in California for a few days. We were back in Utah, hanging out. We got anything else or is that about it for us? Well, we drove.

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Our sources for this episode are Forward.com, CNN.com, TheDP.com, Patch.com, ABCNewsGo.com, NBCLosAngeles.com, 6abc.com, Yahoo.com, BlazeBernstein.org, and CBSNews.com.

You guys, hate is a very dangerous weapon, but it doesn't come from nowhere, right? Oftentimes on this show, we see hate stem from things like jealousy, resentment, abuse, money, revenge. But sometimes hate is planted like a seed by other people, grown and watered with things like indoctrination, brainwashing, being told that your way of life

is superior to all the rest. And anyone who doesn't think like you, look like you, or act like you is not worthy of a happy life or, in extreme cases, a life at all. And that might be the most dangerous kind of hate that there is.

Because it's one that lurks in the shadows. It doesn't necessarily come from someone close to you or even sometimes someone you know. And it will strike at the first opportunity all as a way to make some sort of proclamation, some sort of statement. But as you'll learn in today's case, hate never wins in the end.

what do you think about my little intro things like that like i love your intro things yeah i like them a lot i sit there i listen i take it all in and then i try to figure out what the case is going to be about see sometimes i feel like you're not taking it in because you'll be like wait

I'm interested to see if she lives. And in the beginning, I would have said if the person lives or not. I guess it depends. Sometimes I take it in, sometimes I don't. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, you know, I'm trying to do like a hook so people are ready for what today's case is going to be about. No, I like it. You're doing great, babe. I almost just called the listeners chat. I've been streaming on Twitch too much. They definitely are listeners. Listeners, let me know what you think about my hooks, okay? So let's head over to... Oh, I did see that...

Someone said they don't like the hooks when it spoils the cases. Okay. Which I guess can make sense. That's why I said sometimes I feel like you don't listen because there will be times where I'll say whether they live or die. I actually would agree with that. I think I like the hooks when I don't, when it makes a story like even more mysterious. Okay. Or a case. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Yeah. Not that I'm criticizing you or anything. I'm just saying. I don't.

There's a criticism and then there's just plain rude. That's not plain rude. That's just criticism. And then there's hate like Peyton's talking about and hate never wins. He's a jerk.

That was a good sentence. I felt like it was a good baby. Okay. We're starting the case. We're starting the hate never wins case. So let's head over to Orange County, California, where Blaze Bernstein was born on April 27th, 1998. No way. His name is Blaze. His name is Blaze Bernstein.

I'm sorry. I promise that I, we're not these people usually, but I have to interrupt. You know what it reminds me of? What? Have you seen dodge ball? No. Taser, laser, blazer. I mean, they don't say blazer, but anyways, if you watch dodge ball, you'll get the reference. If you haven't seen it, then ignore me. We're going to keep going. So blaze comes from what sounds like a truly loving family. Okay. He's born in 1998. He has two other siblings. He's,

His mom, Jean, is a former lawyer and his father, Gideon, is a partner at a financial consulting firm. And they really do seem like these nurturing, supportive parents because they embraced the fact that Blaze...

was a bit of a quirky kid. He was a little unique and different growing up in the early 2000s. Plus, he had a lot of interests and they wanted to give him the opportunity to explore all of them.

writing, cooking, participating at his local synagogue. Blaze did it all. And he was the kind of person who always took others into consideration. He was warm, thoughtful, respectful of everyone. The kind of kid you would instantly connect with, fall in love with. Even in 2016, when he made the trip east from California to attend the Ivy League school, the University of Pennsylvania.

Blaze is actually, I was born two years before him. So we're kind of on the same timeline a little bit here. So he's in Ivy League, which I wasn't. So there, Blaze chose to become a pre-med student with dreams of one day becoming a doctor. In the meantime, he found a place where his love for writing and food could intersect and

as he became a copy editor for the campus's food-driven magazine, Pen Appetit. Kind of, that's kind of smart. Yeah, and freshman into sophomore year, Blaze was really finding his stride. He embraced his sexuality. He was a gay Jewish man on campus, and he started to really find his circles. He was also finding his voice, using writing as a platform to support the issues he believed in most.

But Blaze never lost sight of his roots. Every school break, he made his way west to his family home in Orange County, California, to unwind and reconnect. See old friends, stop by the local synagogue, celebrate holidays and old traditions, which was exactly what the 19-year-old Blaze was doing in the winter of 2017.

So it's winter break and like every year, Blaze celebrated Hanukkah with his family while he, the budding chef, took to the kitchen to prepare them a lavish feast.

As winter break sped by, the holidays turned into New Year's Eve, and before Blaze knew it, it was now January of 2018. But he still had another week or two before he was to be summoned back to campus for his next semester. So Blaze made the most of it, seeing friends, any opportunity he got. But on the night of January 2nd, 2018...

Blaze didn't seem to tell his parents what he was getting into. After all, he was a college student now. Any constrictions he may have had in high school were probably no longer on the table. All they assumed was that Blaze had left the house sometime later that evening to go meet up with a friend.

But the following morning, Blaze was scheduled for a dentist appointment. His mother, Jean, was actually planning to meet him there. But when she got to the waiting room and realized Blaze was a no-show, she sensed that something was wrong. It was completely unlike Blaze to miss a responsibility like that.

And now that he wasn't answering his cell phone either, it sent a chill down his mother's spine. So she rushed home, raced right to Blaze's bedroom. And that's when it was undeniable to her that something was really wrong here. Blaze's retainer, wallet, keys, and glasses were all still in his bedroom. As were his bags that he had brought home from college.

which told Gene that Blaze wasn't planning to stay out overnight from the night before. Doesn't matter who he was with. But not only was Blaze not answering his phone, his Find My Friends app, meaning his location services of his phone, were no longer being shared with anyone. His location had been turned off.

So that's when Blaze's parents began calling every friend they could think of to try and find their son. But not a single one of his friends seemed to know where Blaze was or what he had done the night before. So next thing his parents do is call Verizon just to see if they can tell them where Blaze made any recent phone calls using his phone number. Only they confirm that Blaze hadn't made any phone calls since they had last seen him.

And when they check Blaze's laptop, they don't find any text messages or Facebook messages that seem alarming either. So not only is there no sign of where 19-year-old Blaze went, it's also unclear who he met up with the night before.

which means the next stop is to the Orange County Sheriff's Department. Now, Blaze's mom says at first the Orange County Sheriff's Department did not seem too alarmed by Blaze's disappearance. They actually tell her that 100% of the time that kids his age go missing, they're actually out on a quote booty call.

So while I do. 100% is a. That's a crazy. The broad statement there. We could have just went to 99. You know what I mean? Like, so while they do get a missing persons report filed, it doesn't seem like there's this huge urgency for the police to begin an investigation that day.

So the Bernsteins sort of feel like they're on their own for right now, which is when Gene and Gideon, his parents, get their 14-year-old daughter, Bo, to help them with another angle. Because we all know any 14-year-old kid excels at social media, especially in 2018. And that's when she tells him, look, we should probably check Blaze's Snapchat account.

Now, the Bernsteins get lucky because Blaze's username and password are saved in his iCloud keychain on his laptop. So they don't actually have to try to get in or guess anything. But...

They would have to know his password on his computer, which I'm guessing they did. Yeah. Or he just didn't have one on his computer. So they're able to log into his Snapchat and they see that Blaze sent his address to someone the night before he went missing. Now, they don't know who the user is, but they send the user a DM saying, hey, can you call us? And then they just sort of pray that this person responds. And shockingly, they do.

A short while later, they get a call from another kid in the area, someone Blaze had gone to high school with, a kid that they'd never heard of, named Samuel Woodward. Now, they ask Sam, did you see Blaze last night? Like, obviously, you...

found our DM and called us. And they tell him like he hasn't come home. We're looking for any help we can get. We just want to locate him. And Sam actually seems pretty cooperative with the family. He tells Gideon that he and Blaze actually did see each other last night, that it was super spur of the moment. They both were in town and decided that they hadn't seen each other in a while and they should get together and catch up. Sam says, so when we decided to hang out, I drove over to Blaze's house and picked him up around 11 p.m.

But Blaze then asked Sam to drive him to a place called Borrego Park that's nearby so they could meet up with another one of his friends too. So quick synopsis.

According to Sam, Blaze Snapchats him, gives him his address. Sam goes and picks him up. And then when he picks him up and they're driving, he says, actually, can we go to this park and meet up with another one of my friends? And Sam said he did what he asked of him. Now, I do just want to clarify here. We are in a very typically safe area of Orange County. Yeah, I was looking up where that park is and if it's where I think it is.

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Did he wander off? So he strolled around the park for a bit, calling out for Blaze. He didn't see or hear anything. So Sam just gets back in his car and he's like, what do I do? So he heads home and he doesn't see Blaze again after that.

Now, there's a few other messages that they found between Blaze and Sam that actually seem to corroborate this version of events. Because Sam sent Blaze a few Snapchats afterward that night asking, hey, where did you go? I can't find you. What's going on? And before Sam hangs up on the phone with Blaze's dad, Gideon, he says, quote, I'm sorry.

I want to find Blaze as much as you do. So he seems like he can be trusted. But here's where things get strange. When Blaze's parents start calling around to Blaze's friends asking, hey, yeah, he was last seen with Sam Woodward. Do you know this guy? Did like was blazing him friends? Well, his friends start saying no.

this isn't a very good sign. Blaze's friends tell his parents Sam Woodward is actually kind of a dangerous individual.

Interesting. Okay. So a little bit about 20 year old Sam. He went to Orange County School of the Arts for high school alongside Blaze. And a lot of the kids there said he was a bit quiet, withdrawn. He was definitely an introvert that he didn't really have any one group of kids that he hung out with. Basically, he was the polar opposite of Blaze at school, who was very social, popular and outgoing.

Maybe the only thing the two had in common was the fact that they both grew up in households where religion was a pretty big part of their lives. For Blaze, it was Judaism, but for Sam Woodward, it was strict Catholicism. Like so, if I said that wrong, I'm going to get torn. Like so strict that

That Sam's mother wouldn't allow them to read Harry Potter because it supported the idea that witchcraft and dark forces were something fun and entertaining. There's also some sources that say Sam Woodward showed signs of being neurodivergent from as early as preschool, but he was finally diagnosed with autism at age 18.

Here's the thing, though. Sam's parents pulled him out of Orange County School of the Arts his junior year because, get this, Sam had gotten in trouble multiple times for being homophobic towards the gay students there, which...

to be a bit of an open secret at the school. - Oh, wow. - Because when a lot of kids heard that Sam and Blaise connected on social media, this little detail rang in the back of their heads. They're like, well, Sam's a known homophobic. As did all the other times Sam was caught drawing guns in his notebook during class. - Whoa, all right. - Found himself saying something racist, sexist, homophobic, I mean, all of the above. - Did we start drawing guns in our class?

So, Blaze's parents are learning all of this, right? Like, they talk to Sam, he seems nice, and then they start talking to more of Blaze's friends saying he was last seen with Sam, and these people are like, red flag, red flag, red flag. This is weird.

Sam is not a very good person. I wonder if Blazin knew that Sam was like known as a homophobe. Well, that's just what his parents are thinking. Like what would a kid like Sam want, like be wanting to hang out with Blaze for? To a lot of Blaze's friends, there were only two viable options. Either Sam was always closeted and he had come out to Blaze and maybe wanted to meet up with him because of that. Or

Sam had much more nefarious intentions with Blaze Bernstein that night. Now, luckily, Blaze's parents had the foresight to record the conversation that they had with Sam on the phone that afternoon, which is so smart because this is the last person he Snapchatted. It's just smart of them to record that just in case there were critical details they missed. And so they share that conversation with the police and then also all the background they had learned about Sam from Blaze's friends.

And the police decide to bring Sam Woodward in for questioning on January 4th. So this would be two days after Blaze apparently went missing while hanging out with Sam.

But there, Sam gives the police the exact same story. He told Blaze's parents that he picked Blaze up. He asked to go to the park. Sam drove him there and then couldn't find him. They got separated. And police have to sort of take Sam at his word at this point. While he may have had some radical opinions about race, sexuality, and gender in the past...

Not something you can really arrest someone for. So Sam is sent home that night without any charges. And the following day, the search for Blaise Bernstein actually begins in earnest.

Now, by now, news of Blaze's disappearance had kind of spread all over Southern California as people came out in droves to try and find the missing 19-year-old. There were hundreds of tips called into the Orange County Sheriff's Department within the first few days of the investigation. And meanwhile, police were still keeping a close eye on Sam, tracking his movements to see if there was anything suspicious, anything that might give him away, and

And at the same time, police looked into Blaze's cell phone data to see if they could zero in on his final location.

Sure enough, it seemed Blaze, or at least his cell phone, had never made it out of Borrego Park that night. Okay. And on the night of January 9th, seven days after Blaze was last seen, police did another search of the area. And that evening, it was pouring rain, which happened to be the exact thing police needed.

Because it helped them spot a body, one that had been covered in dirt and tree branches before, but had since revealed itself with the downpour. I don't know. Burying a body in a public park, like it's not going to be found. Especially the park you said you last saw, Matt. Yeah.

Obviously, this body is later identified as the missing 19-year-old Blaze Bernstein. Confirmed even further when police found his smashed cell phone less than a foot away from his body. Now, when Blaze's autopsy is performed, it reveals just how terrible the crime committed against him was because Blaze had been stabbed never

19 times holy crap in his neck but investigators know he fought back he had defensive wounds all over his hands which means this is not a missing person's case this isn't even looking like a homicide with everything police know it appears to be a vicious hate crime yeah and the only suspect police have is sam woodward 19 times in the neck

So on January 12th, as Sam is pulling out of his driveway of his parents' Newport Beach home, police pull him over and arrest him on suspicion of murder. I just have to say something, and I know a lot of you are going to disagree with this, and even Peyton probably disagrees with this. I'm just a little more extreme than she is. She's probably scared of what I'm going to say right now. But, dude, just stabbing someone 19 times, I feel like you should be stabbed 19 times back. You know what I'm saying? Eye for an eye. Anyways, on that note, let's keep going.

So they pull him over in front of his Newport Beach home and they arrest him and they impound Sam's car as evidence. And inside of it, they find blood. Blood that belongs to both Sam Woodward and Blaze Bernstein. But they also find a heck of a lot more evidence inside Sam Woodward's parents' home. I was going to say pants.

Not only do they find the murder weapon, a folding knife that still has Blaze's blood on the blade, they also find a mask that's covered in blood. Not just any mask, though. This was a Atomwaffen mask, which is a far-right extremist neo-Nazi terrorist organization. One that primarily recruits people online and specifically targets members of

of the LGBTQIA+ community and Jewish people, which makes Blaise Bernstein a prime target. Police also discover what they call a hate diary in Sam's bedroom with entries that read things like, quote, "Text is boring. "Murder isn't," next to hand-drawn images of knives and skulls. - So what is wrong with people?

I don't want to use the word. It is embarrassing. It's like. It's embarrassing and it's gross. It's awful. Get a life.

Or don't get a life and... He did. This is his life. Die. Hating people. I'm just like, what? But apparently, Sam's involvement with the Atomwaffen wasn't confined to his bedroom. He had even made a trip to Colorado in the past to meet with a neo-Nazi leader. And then another trip to Texas where he attended an Atomwaffen retreat. It was literally called a hate camp. Are these not like on the...

Radars of like FBI. I mean, not that I want to go down that rabbit hole, but you know what I'm saying? Okay, but get what they learn at this hate camp. Okay. Members of this group would go to this hate camp and get specialized training on how to commit a hate crime, how to become a violent extremist, basically how to become a violent member of this group.

It's terrifying to think that this exists in our world. Dude, that's so wild. To me, it's just like you attend this group. Bye. Like that has to be illegal. Is it not? I don't think you're committing any crime. So probably not. Right. And what crime are you committing? I guess freedom of speech. Right. But I mean, you're not committing any crime. I mean,

I'm not going to say it's the same thing, but I mean, you have like cold stuff like that. I mean, they're not doing anything illegal. So, I mean, I get it. Yeah. It feels like it should be. Right. Right. I get it. I get it. So,

So apparently Sam was so involved in this group, he was even the one designing the admissions test at one point for these guys. So this isn't just like a morbid curiosity. There is evidence that Sam was actively involved in this terrorist group. Sorry, I guess to go back for a second, I guess it could be illegal if it was like conspiracy to commit XX and X. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like you're known to do this. Like, you know, like terrorism, like conspiracy to commit. Yeah. I guess they don't have to do the act first. Yeah.

So it appears that this started back as early as middle school when Sam first took an interest in World War II Nazi history. And as he approached his teenage years, Sam began seeking out neo-fascist and neo-Nazi groups online and quickly became radicalized. I can't believe that exists. Well, I know if you're a fan of true crime, you also probably became heavily involved in World War II history.

On the spectrum of thinking that the Nazis were absolutely horrific and what they did to Jewish people and minority groups was horrific. And to think that Sam also became heavily involved in World War II history, but was idolizing the Nazis. Oh, I forgot that Blaze was Jewish as well. So, duh, all this is making 100% sense.

Which is a whole other scary thing to think that teenage children could be seeking these hate groups out on the Internet and are getting indoctrinated without parents even being aware, because that's what he did. He became fascinated with the Nazis and then got online and searched to see if there were any other people out there who were fans of this behavior. So what police come to discover was Blaise Bernstein was being targeted by Sam Muntz.

Before they actually met up in December. See that? I mean, I'm pretty sure that's illegal. In fact, Sam had created a Tinder account the prior summer. So 2017, probably looking for the perfect target to prove his loyalty. And that's when he came across a profile. He recognized Lace from high school.

And he began planting the seed. The two began talking over the following months. Blaze confided in Sam about his GPA dropping and the idea of taking a semester off.

A flirtation even started between the two. Blaze telling Sam that he's attracted to him and Sam seemingly returned the sentiment in these messages. When Blaze's friends were asked why he might have even entertained a connection with Sam, they said Blaze might have been intrigued by the idea of a once very conservative classmate meeting.

Finally coming out of his shell and just accepting his sexuality that he was probably, you know, against gay people because he was actually gay.

And so there was something about some projection basically. Yeah. And so there was something for blaze about, you know, finally helping someone accept this. Chances were blaze being the kind and thoughtful person he was. He saw an opportunity to support someone who needed a confidant and he chose to play that role for Sam. But I guess their conversation sort of fizzled out over the following months. That was until the two matched again in January of 2018. It was actually that night that,

That's when Blaze decided to give Sam his address and see where the conversation went in person. So finally meet up. Of course, he had no idea that Sam had become this radicalized member of a terrorist organization and that he was literally walking into a lion's den. So the police felt pretty confident that Sam acted on his own here, at least when it came to the actual murder.

But when they go through his computer and the forms that he visited after committing the murder, it does seem like he told other members of his community about the murder and was praised for it. Which is why seven months after Sam's arrest...

prosecutors actually upgrade his charges from murder in the first degree to murder in the first degree with a hate crime. The difference is actually the possibility of parole. If Sam was found guilty of a hate crime, no parole, it would take that possibility off the table, which would mean Sam would die behind bars. Now, of course, Sam Woodward pleaded not guilty to all of his charges. It surprises me that, sorry, sorry to interrupt,

Interrupt you. It surprises me that he pleaded not guilty. You would think his, I guess his defense probably, no, he did it, wink, wink. But you would think his defense would be like, take the plea deal, plead a first degree without the hate crime because then you might be able to get on parole. Well, I don't think Sam believes he did anything wrong. I don't think he thinks he is guilty. Probably not. In his ideology, this was the right thing to do.

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So he had a pretrial hearing in January of 2019, a year after the murder. Like we see in a lot of cases, Sam's official trial was delayed because of the pandemic. And after a long series of postponements, Sam actually got his day in court in April of 2024.

This murder happened in 2018. The trial doesn't happen until 2024. You have to think about this. That is six years of the family's life that they just have to sit and wait and see if there will be justice. Make me a judge. I'll go through these cases really fast. That's also six years of stress, lawyer fees, time, sleepless nights, wondering if the person who murdered your son is going to stay behind bars.

That's way too long, in my opinion, for anyone to wait for justice, especially because the stakes are really high in this case. In a way, it's not just about getting justice for Blaze. It's also getting justice for a hate crime, which when someone is a target of hate crime, it feels like an attack on that entire community, the community that was targeted.

And finally, just standing up and facing evil and hatred as a whole. And when Sam Woodward walked through the doors into that courtroom that day, he really did look like the embodiment of evil. His matted hair was dangling in his face. He was a spitting image of Charles Manson. But for the members of the jury, the question wasn't going to be a matter of, did Sam kill Blaise Bernstein?

that's going to be, is this a hate crime? And the defense was armed and ready with their own version of events.

mainly surrounding Sam's own struggles with his sexuality. So this is the defense that they come with. This is going to be so embarrassing. I already know where this is going. So they paint this picture. Sam Woodward was someone who had been battling autism, specifically a form of it called Asperger's syndrome and obsessive compulsive disorder for much of his life.

This played into his inability to maintain personal relationships and basically build trust, which also caused problems when Sam began questioning his sexual identity. Of course, they said it didn't help that Sam had been brought up in a very politically conservative and strictly religious Catholic household, one that spoke openly against the acceptance of homosexuality. So the defense claimed the events of that fateful night played out like this. Sam had connected with Blaze publicly.

out of sexual interest. It was real. He picked Blaze up that night, went to the park, smoked a joint on a bench, and then Sam blacked out. This is the defense. He wakes up. His pants were unbuckled. He claimed Blaze was groping him and taking a video of him. Not only is Blaze dead, but now they're trying to pin it on him. Sam at court says Blaze not only took the video, but was planning to...

out him basically to everyone. And so Sam snapped. He claimed that in the moment, all he could think about was how his parents would react if they knew that he had done this. So he grabbed a knife and began stabbing Blaze. Blah, blah, blah. This is the defense. And actually the murder weapon, that knife that he brought with him was actually from his Boy Scout years. Was from his years in the Boy Scout. He got that knife and then stabbed someone.

have so many problems obviously with this version of events not only does it contradict all of the evidence the hate diary the terrorist ties everything he did afterward it's the fact that there is actually no evidence that this photo or video existed on blaze's phone yeah i guess i guess they could claim that it was like film on snapchat

Yeah, I guess that could be true. And then you press the X and there's nothing. That'd be the only way you could claim it. If not, you can see deleted videos. You can see deleted photos. But I think as Blaze's family, there would be nothing more disgusting and hurtful than to go in court and try to seek justice for your son who was killed because of a hate crime for being nothing than who he was. And then to hear the defense paint your son

As the perpetrator. Your son. As the bad person. Your son who was sexually assaulting and videoing someone and threatening to out them.

That would be insanely hurtful to hear as a family. Oh, I have so many issues with this. I know there's a lot of, we have a couple, I think we have a couple of defense attorneys that listen to this. People in law school, people that have their law degrees in general. And the reason I have a problem with this is because the defense team is defending him, right? Yes. They know he did it.

Like, don't get me wrong. Don't even try to come at me in my DMs right now and be like, no, they have no idea. No.

We all know he did it. The evidence is obvious. They know they're just trying to get him out of the hate crime, right? So then it just sucks as like, I guess it's just part of the game, but it sucks as like the defense team knows that it was probably a hate crime. They're just trying to get around it, but they're still willing to drag Blaze's name through the mud and do this to the family. And so it's just like you're... How do you go home and sleep at night? Yeah, moral wise, like how do you go home and you're like, yeah,

That's fine. It's just because I was defending my client and I was trying to give them a right to a speedy and fair trial. They're obligated to give them the best defense possible. No, 100%. And it's just frustrating though because it's just... Re-victimizing people. It's morally, morally it seems extremely wrong. I get the game. I understand it. I understand it.

I don't know, maybe defense attorneys are just a different breed and they just don't care. Or they just look at it as a job. Or they just look at it as a job. But I just think it's pretty messed up. I just think it's pretty messed up. But that's just my two cents on that. And we'll go back into the case. Okay, so what I do want to talk about, there's actually another part to this case that comes out at trial. Police searched all of Sam's media, phone, computer.

They find a good deal of gay porn sites.

on Sam's computer. Interesting. So maybe he really was closeted. As well as these neo-Nazi forms. You know what I mean? He was heavily involved in both. And they also find witnesses that say, oh, Sam actually has been hiding his sexuality or trying to repress it in high school. Sam would not talk to this kid, but then at night would send him nude photos of himself.

So he would avoid him and not talk to him at school, but then at night over the phone would send naked photos. There was another connection they found on Sam's Tinder where he was sending naked pictures to other boys. Maybe you could argue this was just a way for him to lure victims that he hated so much that really...

That really wouldn't be necessary. This, to me, reads more like Sam really was struggling with his sexuality. He felt like he wasn't allowed to embrace it and still be accepted by his parents. So instead, he took his frustrations out on someone who was openly gay and accepted by his parents. In a way, Blaze was living the life Sam seemed to want, and that was unacceptable for him.

Which still makes this murder against Blaze an undeniable hate crime. He was doing it. It's still a hate crime because you're doing it because the other person is gay. But is there a lot of projection going on here? Sam hated himself so much that he would get on these forums and talk about people who were exactly like him and then ended up killing someone.

You know what I mean? By July of 2024, Sam's trial had concluded. After six years of uncertainty, the family would finally have their resolution when the jurors returned with the verdict. We, the jury, find the defendant, Samuel Woodward, guilty of the crime of first-degree murder. And there was another piece of paper, one that said, we, the jury, find it to be true that

that the defendant Samuel Woodward committed hate crime first degree murder. I love when the jury gets things right. Love it. There was a packed courthouse this day full of people who loved Blaze. And when it was read that there was a hate crime, cheers actually erupted in the courtroom. So later that year, Sam Woodward was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

Sheesh. Imagine, imagine just being like, I'm glad, but there is absolutely no way you will get out. I'm ever getting out.

As for the hate group that Sam was part of, that online presence has pretty much dissolved entirely today. This group doesn't really exist, but this threat absolutely still exists as there are other factions and hate groups that try to recruit vulnerable people online every single day.

Still, Blaze's case has brought this world one step closer to snuffing out that sort of hate. In a statement to the court, his mother Jean said this, "'To lose my firstborn child, my dream for the future, my partner in fun, is the single worst thing that has ever happened to me. He accomplished more than most people do in a full life, and for that we are grateful.'"

Blaze, we did the best we could for you. We figured out who did this. We brought him to justice and we have worked to make this world better, which is why Blaze's case is proof that love will always win in the end. And that is the case of Blaze Bernstein.

We talk about it so much, just killing people for no reason. There's no reason. I mean, yeah, I guess the person who commits the act of killing someone might think they have a reason. At the end of the day, there's never a reason to kill somebody like that. I don't know. Horrible. So sad. Crazy, because...

I know all the areas where this happened. I had no idea this case was even out there. I think, you know, sometimes it can feel like, oh, well, it's just hate on this minority group. But technically, every single school shooter falls into this category of killing for hatred. Killing for hatred. Killing innocent, random people, whoever happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. And it's just like... Bro, can...

can we just stop killing people so sad like it's so sad to just take somebody's life like willingly just take somebody's life and i also just think the fact that like blaze was completely lured in thinking this was going oh yeah that part i just can't even you know what i mean like it just gets me you've done nothing this is why i'm sorry this is why i hate it i just like infuriates me

No, you know, that's why I was like, sorry, Sam, we're stabbing you 19 times. Like, I'm just like, no, like, I'm just I'm not OK with this. You know, there have been times like during the podcast where I have struggled like immensely with the fact that there is just like so much ugly in this world. Yeah. So much ugly.

But, and that is a really easy place to live in because it's true. It is the reality. But when we get to that point, I think it's important to remember that you, you individually, you listening to this, me sitting here, Garrett sitting here, we can be beautiful. We can be good and it will spread. If you are light and you are good, it will spread. And that's all we can do, really. And,

I mean, to be honest, and majority people are good. Majority people aren't killer. Majority people have good morals and are looking to do good things for other people and treat others nicely. Obviously, the cases we do are the anomaly when it comes to that. It's hard because sometimes it makes it feel like, geez, there's just so many bad people out there. And there are. But I personally would dare to say majority people are good. They want the best for other people.

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