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Hey there, folks. Welcome to I Do Part Two. If you got love right the first time around, this ain't the show for you. I'm TJ Holmes, alongside my friend, my partner, my podcast co-host, Amy Robach. That was all so impersonal. It felt very clinical. It did. With my person, my partner, my spouse, my... What's the right way to put it? Love of my life. Love of my life. There it is.

that you had to feed me that line is a little disturbing. You know what? I think you probably avoided saying it because it's overused all the time on all the reality shows we watch and you roll your eyes when people call each other the love of their lives. Then we look up and two months later they're broken up. So I think you probably...

Yeah, and so we haven't had a chance to come hop onto I Do Part Two in a little bit. And there's always relationship news. So we're going to discuss some relationship news, some very high profile relationship news. And we're going to get into a couple of questions, one of them having to be, what do you do post divorce? Is it important for you to rebrand yourself? We're also going to get into this question.

Is it good to throw a divorce party, a divorce celebration, or is that in bad taste? There's a lot of celebrities who are going through this right now. The first Dorit Kemsley, let's start with her. A lot of people know and I would say love, but she has some issues right now with irreconcilable differences. Of course, she's from the Beverly Hills area.

She's divorcing her husband, PK is his name, after PK Kemsley, after 10 years of marriage. Now, Robes, we hear about a divorce. We hear about a breakup. But so much of the conversation around this one has to do with the fact that they actually made it to 10 years of marriage.

And the reason why that's significant, it varies from state to state, but anyone who's been divorced knows sometimes folks will be strategic and plan their divorces for when they might have the most time.

to gain and maybe the least to lose. You could look at it two different ways and who knows if this is the case, but a lot of people are wondering if Dorit waited for those 10 years because in the state of California, that means you've been in a, what is it called, a long-term marriage. New Jersey, I know, has that here. Again, different from state to state, but once you

get branded as a long-term marriage, you are entitled to 50%. And so who knows what the state of their finances actually is and whether or not that's even true. But a lot of people are saying...

I wonder if she was waiting specifically so that she could get 50%. I'm sure it just happened to work out that way. Seriously. She might even be like, hell yeah, I did. You know, who knows? Oh, good point. I've heard women say, yeah, I stuck with it because I knew that I was, I had done enough where I felt like this was the way that made the most sense for me. So who knows what it is? But another thing people are talking about is that PK, I think he got photographed in

One day before the divorce filing, kissing and holding hands with a former Amazing Race contestant. So if you're a big reality show person, you might know who is it Shanna Wall is. So he was out kissing, holding her hand. So it wasn't like he was hiding it. What we're saying is we're not holding out hope for reconciliation. I don't think that's going to happen. They do have two kids. Jagger's 11. Phoenix is nine. And so...

PK has filed for joint custody. We hope the best for them. Divorce is hard, and it's really hard in the public eye, so we wish them both the best. See, when we say we wish them the best, oftentimes that doesn't necessarily mean that the relationship continues. Correct. Sometimes what's best, and we've learned that what's best is for them to go their separate ways. Now, another divorce that's taking place now is from a guy. Look, I loved Steve Guttenberg back in the day. Oh, yeah. Three men and a baby. That was my jam. But before that, Police Academy. Yeah. Wasn't he in the one with the, what was the robot guy?

What was the name of it? Short Circuit. Short Circuit. Short Circuit. You remember that movie? Yes. And it's funny. I have actually seen Steve Guttenberg running in Central Park before.

for. Was he running alone? He was, actually. I've only seen him one time running in New York, but I was like, oh my God, that was Steve Goodman. You're probably going to see him running alone again if you see him, because he is announced now, he has also filed for divorce of his wife of six years. Now, six years is a shorter time. This is his second marriage. Been there, done that. Call us, Steve, if you want to talk. But his wife, Emily Smith, there is a significant age gap between these two. Did we look, is Steve 60?

And we believe Emily Smith is 35. So somewhere around 30 years. Does that play into it? I mean, it absolutely could have. They're saying irreconcilable differences again. And he's already agreed to pay spousal support to Smith. So they did have a prenup, which I think will help expedite this and hopefully make it a little bit less messy, as certainly in the public eye, it's never fun to have people wanting to know all the details. So if you had a prenup,

Hopefully that will make things a much smoother process for both of them. And again, we don't – we hate to speculate about somebody's specific relationship, have no idea what happened and why with these two. But anytime – we've talked about this certainly recently with –

With several couples or relationships where there's a big age difference, it does come into play. You can love somebody all day long, but you have different interests. You have different bedtimes even. You have different things you want to do. Different activity levels. It's true. All of that. And that can come into play in a relationship. So hopefully both of those get through that. And like we said, Rose, we've been there. We have done that. And we know you can come out better on the other side.

Yes, 100%. Those were some recent splitting up headlines. But there are some moving on headlines from people who have just recently announced their divorces, among them Jessica Simpson. It was right at the beginning of the year, correct, that she announced that she and her, well, now ex-husband, Eric Johnson, were splitting. And they had been together for a very long time. But I love this part of the story. So

If anyone remembers, Jessica Simpson's kind of been known as, despite the fact that she is a ridiculously successful businesswoman. Oh, yeah. Is she even a billionaire? I think she's a billionaire. So I actually stopped myself, but I was like, I'm pretty sure she's in that billionaire league where she's got the clothing line and everything. She's really expanded her empire from beyond music, even though she is making new music.

But she was kind of known as, unfortunately for her, a dumb blonde, all because of that reality show she did with Nick Lachey. Remember when she asked if tuna was chicken of the sea? She was like, is it chicken? And just because of that one, perhaps maybe even silly comment she made, I don't think she's been able to shake, or maybe she at least feels like she hasn't been able to shake that dumb blonde thing.

you know, thing that people assign to someone, especially if you just make one mistake. So anyway, I love this. She is now saying that she wants to go back to school. It's something she's had a dream of her entire life since her 20s. And now she wants to go back to school and expand her education. I think that's great. I would hate for her motivation to be to prove something to anybody other than herself. If she wants to do that, that's great.

That's fine. I know it can look good. And I know there's a PR element to everything when it comes to folks who are in the public eye. But I hope she does this for her. Who gives a damn when anybody thinks about you? If this is what she wants to do, I hope she does it. And I think it is a cool thing. I think, you know, especially if so much of your life has been wrapped up in another person or at least in that relationship, when you are now on your own to start really investing in yourself, whether it's to go back to school. She's actually getting on the stage for the first time in 15 years with this new music she has. So she's now

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Yeah.

you kind of want to know that, oh, they could get back together, but that's not the headline. They can clearly get along, as we see. These two have been in each other's lives publicly for decades now. But, yes, she was just quoted recently talking about how she told her kids, look, these families have been intertwined for quite some time. And she said she told her kids, she just promised them that Mama was going to be okay. She said, I promise that I'll come out the other side stronger and better. I promised them that, and I did it.

This is her saying that she has like come out and emerged. Look, that was a mess. Any divorce privately sucks. A divorce publicly really, really sucks. A divorce publicly from somebody that you got two new movies and your whole new album attached to you.

And it was a fairy tale kind of love story because they had been engaged 20 years prior and then it just wasn't the right time. So now for all of us who believe in love and are rooting for love, you think, oh, wow, it just wasn't the right time. But now it is. Now they can be together. Still hold not hope. And still no. The moment's just not right. But she does say she has a great sense of peace in her life. And isn't that what we all are hoping for? Well, does some peace come for some people after a split or a divorce? Yes.

Do you feel better to get rid of stuff that you had together? Anytime, if you get divorced and you all lived in this house together, would you be okay with one person gets the house? Would you be okay getting the house? Or do you want, you don't want anything to do with anything that you all had together?

To each his own, but I like to start anew because for me, things have memories, things have feelings. I think what you surround yourself actually truly impacts how you feel. It affects energy and it does for me. So, you know, you make those decisions on a case by case basis. Unfortunately, you and I have had some experience in this department. What do you think?

you know me fairly well and I can separate, I can dissociate pretty easily and quickly and something is dead to me and it's over. To that point, you don't wanna see something that has a memory attached to it. It could be a pleasant one or an unpleasant one. You just don't, I don't wanna see that stuff.

None of it. I don't want to drink the same drink. No, seriously. No, I don't want to wear the same clothes. I actually feel that way. Okay, I'm with you there 100%. And I mention that because Jessica Alba, they are selling their L.A. home for $19 million. It's on the market, so it's available if you'd like to go out and put your bid in. But it's in L.A., but this is the home she shared with Cash Warren, who she also, I think it was the beginning of the year, announced they would be getting a divorce as well. But this is a home that she called their dream home at some point. And now...

That dream is gone. And I bet she doesn't. No, no, I'm not gonna put words in her mouth. But yes, but what I think where you're going with this, I mean, look, she was married. They were married for 16 years. And she and they both both Jessica and Cash referred to this home as our dream home where they wanted to watch their kids grow up. I get that. So when that dream is gone, when that dream doesn't exist anymore, it's almost like a rub.

to be in this place that you thought was going to be one thing and now it's another. And I just think that that is just, that's a heavy, it's almost like an albatross swaying you down and keeping you in the past. It kind of keeps one foot in your past. Now, I do know a lot of folks want to keep their homes because A, they don't have a choice. Like, that's where they have to live. They can't afford to move. But B, because they want their kids to have some stability and normalcy and just a space that they're familiar with. I know that that weighs into a lot of folks' decisions about whether or not to keep a home or not. But,

but they are moving on. The dream is gone, so the house should go too. For me, that absolutely is a non-starter. Did you know that Hugh Hefner had a widow?

You know what? I would have put an S on that. Or like, I just knew that he had a lot of women and probably some are still alive and some might have died. Like, I don't know. He was married to one. That's it? He only had one wife? Well, he's not a polygamist. I mean, yes, he was only... Okay, you're talking about... I'm thinking of the Playboy house and I'm thinking of all the women around.

He wasn't married to all of them at the same time. Of course not. But I did not know this, but he died in 2017. And his wife, Crystal Hefner, is now engaged after a year of dating. Good for her. Crystal is what now? Thirty nine. Yes. Thirty nine. Thirty nine years old. That's a big age gap. He was nine. He died at ninety one in 2017. Yes.

Hey, when you know, you know. But what I am saying here is that does it matter? Does it matter? What are the rules? He's been dead for several years. She only dated somebody for a year and then got reengaged. I don't see an issue here. The question that people are asking is,

Do you think an engagement after one year of dating is too soon? What? If you're a widow. I don't think that should matter at all. I think you can still honor, especially if you, you know, the person who passed was somebody who was the love of your life or someone you had a beautiful relationship with. I think you can still honor them.

I don't think anyone who truly loves another person would want the person they're leaving behind to be alone and sad. So I don't think there are rules behind that. I think it's personal. I think it's individual. Alone and sad. I want you to be alone and missing me every day the rest of your life. I don't want you happy going out to horror movies with some dude eating popcorn. Oh, my God. I could never do that, though. I couldn't watch horror movies again. Really? Oh, so you all go see a rom-com together? Ass.

Okay. I don't know how we got there or went there, but no, I want none of that. There's no issue there. I don't think so. And engagement, people get engaged-

Within months. How long before you got engaged? First one was a long one. First one was, I mean, I was so young, but it was a year. It was a year engagement. No, no, no. Before. They dated a year, then got engaged. So you dated for how long before you got engaged? I dated a year and then got engaged for a year. So I got married after two years. Second time, this is a little embarrassing. You know, you talked about this before. It's fine. I got engaged after...

Let me see. Wait, hold on. You got Andy's attention. Four months. You what now? I got engaged after four months and I got married after 10 months of meeting him. Wow. You really thought I was dragging my feet then. Jesus. What are your timelines? Longer. Much. Two years, I think. And...

You know what? Probably a year on the first one. Okay. Yeah. It was a year on the first one for me and even shorter the second time. The first one and the second one. Oh, my God. Okay. What's the third one going to be? Oh, I can't. Tick tock. Tick tock. Oh, my God. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

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Okay, next up here, we've known some people personally who have done this, but they have a divorce party. But these things, they feel in poor taste to me. We're talking about HGTV star Christina Haack.

She celebrated her divorce being finalized with a party of sorts. You go out with your friends. It's one thing like, look, Christina Hack just did this kind of a smaller thing, couple of friends out, toasting glasses. She posted it. She put it on Instagram, though. Okay, so it looks like a celebration of your marriage ending, which is fine by me if you want to do that. But some will say it's in poor taste. So, look, again, I'm going to stand here saying I'm not going to –

judge what anyone else chooses to do however if it were for me I don't think it's a bad thing I think when people come up and say oh I'm so sorry you're getting divorced a lot of times I would say no actually it's a relief so you could congratulate me instead of feel sorry for me but it is one of those moments where I think for me I wouldn't want to post like I could see myself going out and clinking a

But posting it is kind of rubbing it in the faces not only of the ex, but the ex's family. And if you have children with that person, I don't know what message that sends as well. I think that that's the consideration I would have. Just the ex, the ex's family members, former friends who might have gotten caught in the crosshairs, and then children if they're involved. I think sometimes it can come off as...

Yeah, in poor taste, I guess is the best way to put it. That's what it is. But to each his own. I mean, you know what? I'm not turned off by it. I don't know what someone went through. You know, what did she go through to get to a place where she finally was able to get divorced or say, I want a divorce? So maybe she needs to let off some steam and to celebrate. You know, we use this quote in our morning run, I think, recently. If you can't be happy with what you have, at least be happy with what you escaped. Yes.

Exactly. And that could exactly be I think it is for a lot of people. Sometimes breakups, divorces are exactly that. All right. The final thing here is this quote. The pressure to be married to men is a conspiracy. Now, that quote comes from an actress. Now, when you hear that initially without context or do you get curious or do you react? How do you take that?

I get curious. I would like to ask a few follow-ups. That's fair. But we're talking about Anna Camp, who is of... Pitch Perfect. Pitch Perfect. You love... And she's on this new season of You, which I've yet to stream, but I've watched all the other seasons, so I'm actually excited. I didn't realize she was on this new season of You. But she's been married...

Twice before. Okay, so it's not just us. I always feel like nobody else. And now everybody's got two marriages. It's a thing now. Right. So she had two marriages, two men that both ended in divorce. And now she has posted on Instagram, I guess making it official just recently, that she is with a woman. Okay, fine. Did it shock people, surprise people? But she used that line that...

The pressure to be married to men is a conspiracy. I don't understand that. I don't... It sounds like she's saying women don't have the freedom to explore, to be themselves. They don't have the freedom to go back and forth. There's pressure to possibly always identify as this or label yourself or put yourself in this group or that group. I took it as that. Now, who was part of the conspiracy? I don't know, but I took it as that. Well, I do think, you know...

maybe even 10 years ago, 15, 20 years ago, that might be more of something that I could get behind. But I do think now, especially having young girls now who are 19 and 22, I mean, I just think it's so accepted to explore. And I mean, maybe it's where you live in the country, maybe it's your family, but I do think now more than ever before, I think people are celebrating and even leaning into the options that they feel like they have, that there aren't societal norms to the extent that you

You can't be with who you want to be with and you can't love who you want to love. You might get judgment still, but I don't know about a larger conspiracy. I've never been in that situation, so I don't know. Been in which one? Where I felt like I was being pressured to be with men. I just... Well, you didn't have to be pressured. I just like men, so I just kept it easy, I guess. You know, I mean, I don't know. Do you feel like there's a conspiracy against you or that you have to only be with women? Yes.

I didn't know how you were going to finish that. But yes, there's a conspiracy. But no, look, I love this. And we've been talking so much about relationships. We're going to be talking about relationships more coming up in the next weeks and months. Yes. If folks haven't heard, we'll get into that later. But it's like everybody's going through it. Everybody's going through something. And these are folks. Go through the names here. Dorit Kemsley, Steve Guttenberg, Jessica Simpson,

Jennifer Lopez, Jessica Alba, all of those folks at some point, I think in the past 12 to 18 months, we have seen some beautiful picture of how wonderful their relationship was. Yeah. That look, folks, if that tells you anything, you think you're the only one going through it. You're not. And I know your neighbor. They look so perfect over there. They're not. Everybody's going through something. So I have loved doing I do part two because it is a part of a community and everybody can be a part of a community. So.

Just people always keep that in mind. Yeah, I think that's so important. And when you see celebrities and I think there's one of those magazines that has a page that says they're just like us. But truly they are. I mean, you know, everyone struggles with relationships. Well, they'll show them like being in line at Walmart.

buying dog food. But I think sometimes people think that if you've got money or you have fame or you have some sort of success in your life that somehow you're immune or insulated from relationship drama. And it's just certainly not the case. They're just like us. They're just like us. I think they should be in the corner curled up crying because that would be just like me.

That's more so how I am usually. Folks, look, we always, always, always appreciate you all being a part of the conversation, engaging with us, because we absolutely love doing this thing. A lot of news out there. Folks are splitting up, finding love. They're healing. They're throwing divorce parties. They're going back to college. But whatever you're going through at the time, maybe it is a divorce at this time. Maybe you're feeling a little lost. Folks, you are not alone. We have...

Folks here, we have some experience, hard earned, hard won. We weren't trying to earn it. No. But we have it now. But at any time, we can lend our experience to some of your questions as well. We appreciate doing so. Yeah. So if you're going through a divorce, if you're feeling lost, if you need some help from us or from our team of amazing mentors, you know where to find us. You can email us. You can call us. We are here to help and offer.

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