Celebrities and Divorce…Are They Crazy?!
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I Do Part Two is a one-of-a-kind podcast that is all about dating, love, relationships, and what life is like after divorce. Now, celebrities are just like us and not all of their relationships end unhappily ever after, especially it seems right now. A lot of them are divorced or going through it this time of year. I'm one of your celebrity mentors, Bob Guinea. You know me from The Bachelor and The Today Show and my podcast, Almost Famous to OGs. And today, we are joined by another celebrity mentor, which I'm very excited to formally meet today.

You know her and love her on this podcast. Also former Real Housewife of New York, Kelly Ben-Simon. Kelly, thank you so much for being here. Hi, Bob. How are you? I am great. How are you? I'm well. Happy post-Thanksgiving. We had so much fun and then not so much fun.

Okay, let's get into it. I was gonna say, yeah, I'm still at my mom's house in Michigan, actually visiting with my mom today. And, you know, so I'm having some technical challenges just getting that dial up internet to work properly. But how was your Thanksgiving? Mine was pretty good.

You know, it's funny. It's like, is, you know, cause we're both from the Midwest, but you know, we do have the internet in the Midwest. Yes, we do. People think that we like don't have internet. We don't have cars. We even have Whole Foods. We've got it all out here, but yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I got like, my mom's got like a hamster on a wheel just running to keep that dial up going for me. I'm

Totally kidding, of course. But yeah, getting hooked up here was not the easiest thing for me to do today. That is so funny. Nobody was like, it was like there was the Friendsgiving, then the Thanksgiving, and it seemed like there was like a lot of ungiving. Yeah. So it seems like we've had a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff in the news, obviously, but was that personal or was that more like a broader comment? Yeah.

It's just a broader comment. I just feel like there's just so many, whether it's reality stars, celebrities, some people are trying to make it work and other people are just not making it work at all. We've just seen so much change.

I thought it was going to be a really positive, like I'm feeling very positive. Yes, me too. Just from going through therapy and working with the podcast, Bob, it's been, honestly, it's been so incredibly cathartic for me. I just feel like a different person. Like people are like, you look different. The way I sound is different. The way I'm approaching everything is different. And so for me, I'm like the anomaly because everyone else is breaking up. Yeah.

Well, I do feel like at the end of the year, especially, I don't know why, but it seems like at the end of an election year for sure. But at the end of every year, you start hearing about the uncoupling starting to happen amongst... What does that mean? Uncoupling. I don't know. I just read an article yesterday with Gwyneth Paltrow and maybe that's why that came to my mind. Yeah, you start hearing about at the end of the year, a lot of people getting divorced, right? And

I don't know if it's just that they've been quiet about it, you know, up until the end of the year and they're like, okay, hell with it. Let's launch.

fresh and new into 2025 or if it's really just come to a head because of the stress of the holidays. You know what I mean? Does she just not like the D word and she likes the C word? What is that? I don't know. I don't know. The C word. That can be taken in so many different directions. I don't get that. I didn't get that. I was like, that's so odd. That's just like a very weird way of saying we're not together. But yeah, I think it's always interesting, you know, every year at the end of the year and then

Man, you know, I mean, some of the people that are in the news right now, we both probably have met or might know. And many of them, obviously, we all know from afar. But the news is just really blowing up right now with people splitting up. And I will say this, you know, as a divorced man, I did get divorced or I should say at least like formally separated around the holidays. Yeah.

I don't know if it was just because you're thinking, you know, or whoever asks for that moment is thinking, I don't want to have to go bananas. I'm buying a gift this year. Don't repeat that. Don't repeat that. Wait, so seriously, what? So I have a couple of questions for you, but I would love to know more about that. Like, how did that happen?

Well, when my ex and I split up, we were living on separate coasts for quite some time. So it was kind of an organic thing. We had both just sort of grown apart. In fact, we're still very friendly and close. It was never a bad thing. And I'm remarried with kids and she's remarried with kids or with a child. So it was never like a toxic thing. It was more like just, you know, are we going to fake?

fake it for the families again this year or what are we doing you know I'm not saying that that was the actual conversation but it was definitely one of those things I think I think there is a little bit to that like you're rolling into the new year and you're kind of like man we're supposed to be you know

Kissing at midnight. Did you guys just feel like the distance was just too much? Did you feel like disconnected from the distance? We did. Yeah. The disconnection was real. Like it was, it, you know, it became a thing where you're living such separate lives. You know, the time, the time change, you know, it's one of those things. I think the time change, it can be your friend in a lot of ways, but it can also, it can also create,

You know, like, you know, if, if, if you're the one that's on the East coast and, you know, you're, you're trying to go to bed so you can get up for work in the morning. And the one on the West coast, you know, is out at the bar having a couple of cocktails and decides to call you, you know,

11 o'clock at night, that's two in the morning. You know, maybe that doesn't so happy. You're not making you so happy. That's the types of things. Who knows? I mean, I think there's a million things, but it's more just allowing life to get in the way. And then when you guys saw, I'm sorry, I just, I'm curious because like, there's a lot of people that do that really are into these, especially people that are on Raya. Cause there's like, people say that like Raya is not the land of the broken toys, but there's a lot of people that are like,

That's funny. You know, I've never been on a dating app. I do it the old fashioned way and hand out flowers on TV. So I don't understand this newfangled dating app thing. I hand out flowers on TV. Well, not everyone is like you, Bob. I know. No, I'm curious because like...

A lot of these people that are on these dating apps are like, I'm meeting these guys and all these different places. I'm like, that's great. Because if you travel somewhere, then the apps actually follow you. And they're like, oh, you're in an airport in Chicago. There's four guys that are in Chicago and people are meeting these people all over the place. And I was just curious as to like,

how you like obviously the you know being apart was was was difficult but like when for example when you did get together like were you together every two weeks or I'm just I'm not trying to like I think that was like usually the longest time frame was that kind of a time frame but and did it take you guys a while to get

back together once you like it? It would, yeah. I think that's when you start to realize it. Like when you're young and dating, right? And it's like, that's kind of stuff's exciting, right? It's like, oh, we're going to meet up in Chicago. You know, this is amazing. I'm in LA, you know, she's in New York. This would be great. But when you're, you know, when you've been married for quite some time and, you know, obviously that's when you start talking about everything from, you know, the checkbook to, you know, family...

holidays and the real stresses of life start to take their toll on people. I think when you reconnect, it does take a little bit of a, you know, a bumping up session. Like you got to actually almost kind of get back up to speed with one another because you have talked about a lot, probably a lot of superficial stuff, but you know, at least, and I think the relationships that can survive that stuff, that's great. You know, but I think that was the hardest part probably both in the entertainment industry, both going a million miles an hour, both I mean, probably, you know,

on the side of being a little self-absorbed because you had to be from the standpoint of, you know, I can't miss the gym and I can't do this and I can't do that. So, you know, I'll push my call back 20 minutes. It's okay, you know. So I think it's all the stuff that happens, you know. It just happens in life, especially when you're – and your outward persona is probably as cultivated and as important at those times than your –

real life inward persona. So, you know, from that perspective, I probably stand guilty to that one too. You know, probably, you know, I'd be on the phone and someone will come up, Hey, can we get a picture? Oh yeah, sure. I'll call you right back. You know, as opposed to, you know, no thanks. I'm in the middle of a very important phone call with someone I haven't seen in 10 days.

You know, I think I think there's some of that, too. You know, you feel those pressures. And I don't know. I mean, who knows? I mean, we're talking about. No, you do. You do know people from the bottom rung of the ladder, but not like from the Ben Affleck penthouse view, you know, and he's going through it right now. So who knows?

Well, you know, it's like, it's interesting because I put it like, I'm not, I don't do uncoupling, but I like to put names on things. I mean, I have children that are older, they're 24 and 26. So I like to like categorize things. That's how I keep my life organized. And so I talk about like housekeeping, not like housekeeping, like mopping the floor, but housekeeping is like the things that we have to do. I talk about with, by, with, you know, people that I'm dating, um,

you know, my children, like here's the housekeeping. So it's like we've gotten, you know, certain things that we need to get off the list and then we can go on and just kind of like get a coffee, walk around, you know, go to exercise class, go to the movies or, you know, whatever. But I, I'm a, I may get the work done first and then play after kind of person. That's smart. I think that's really smart.

I think, you know, that's probably a very mature way to look at it. Cause I think like the only housekeeping I was doing at that time and I, and I love the metaphor. So I'm running with it. I was sweeping things under the rug. Right. So if I was housekeeping, it was like, ah, you know what? I'm not gonna let that piss me off too much. I'm just gonna sweep this under the rug. But we didn't have kids. We didn't have children together. So I didn't have kids until after I met my wife now. So I think with kids comes,

a totally different mindset. And, and, you know, you know that of course, from your experiences, and it's like, you know, you, you have children with someone and it becomes all consuming. Right. I mean, my wife and I go through it now every day. It's like, I don't remember the last time. Well, actually I shouldn't say that this weekend, we made a point of talking about stuff that didn't have to do with the kids, which I loved because it was like, you know, my son's birthday was this weekend and everything's about the kids. And thank you. Yes. He's, he's just turned six.

So I'm 53 and I've got a six-year-old and a three-year-old. And I didn't start until later in life with my kids. And I mean, it's definitely a different set of challenges at this age. Yeah, I raised my kids on my own. So I didn't really have the dynamic of like, you know, what are his thoughts? Because they were only my thoughts. Which is insane because you guys were still...

Were you still together during the first, I'm sure the first several years, right? The first several years, but he was traveling a lot. So he was gone all the time and it was just basically me and my parents raising my two girls. Yeah. And so I never really had that. But I mean, I do know that from, you know, when you're, when I'm, because I've been single for so long that when I do meet guys, they're,

That, you know, my narrative is not about my kids with them because they're not a part of my children's lives. Right. So that like is kind of good. But then I realized that there was this like weird separate life. Yeah.

So it's kind of like I'm cheating on my kids. I'm cheating him because my life with him is totally different from my life with my children before, you know, they, before they become friends. So it's just, you're not cross pollinating that early, right? I mean, even though the kids are older, yeah, you're pumping the brakes on all that stuff. Right. I mean, yeah. Yeah. I try to keep it. I try to keep it as, as, you know,

My kids are always like, we want to meet them. We want to see who is this person. You've been going on a couple of dates. We want to know who the person is. And I think just because they're like literally hawks. They're like, who are these people? What are they doing? What are their intentions? Right. They're very protective of me, which is very sweet. Are you dating right now? Are you dating someone specific right now as you go into the holiday season? Or are you kind of like not going to buy anybody any special gifts this holiday season? I'll wait till the new year. I love it. It's all about gifts. I know.

By the way, that's my love language is gift giving. So like, you're like, I love to give gifts and I'm not like, oh my God, like if I give you something, you have to give me something back. I just love to give gifts. But I honestly, I don't even like, I almost get uncomfortable receiving gifts. I like giving stuff, but I'm like you because if I want something, I just go get it. Right. And so I'm the hardest person to buy for. And everybody tells me they're like, well, yeah, I mean, everything, everything's

everything we think to give you, you will go get yourself, which is true. And so I really enjoy it. I'm like you in that regard. I wonder if that's my love language. I've never done the love language thing. I need to find that out. You should do it. You know, that and also to know like what kind of personality type you are. I just did that the other day because my youngest daughter was like, mommy, you need to find out what kind of personality you have. I'm like, I know what kind of personality I have. You're like, I'm dialed. So does everybody else. Everybody knows what kind of personality I have.

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You asked about what I was doing lately in terms of my dating life. Yes. And I have gone on many dates and I've met some very, very, very great, some really great guys. And I did this exercise where I wrote a love letter

to my future husband. And I wrote, you know, wrote down and I manifested what he looks like, who I'm going to be to him, what I'm not going to do, what I hope for that will happen for us. And it just really changed. When you articulate the things that you really want,

versus just like thinking them in your head. If you write them down, if you tell a friend, if you, you know, like I was talking to Cheryl Burke about it, you know, if you're talking to different people. Oh, I love Cheryl. I haven't talked to her in years. Oh, she's amazing. Isn't she great? Talk about a mindful human. Holy cow. She's always been so sweet. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful human. I've met so many great women and men. And I just, it's been, it's been a really interesting journey for me just because

you know, you come from The Bachelor, I come from Housewives. And, you know, The Bachelor is more about, you know, loving and relationships and getting to know people. Housewives is about like, how can I destroy you the quickest? Yeah. You know, I have to tell you, so my wife loves The Housewives and she's,

I would always act like I wasn't watching. Right. And so, Oh, you're watching. I'm like, Oh my God, you're watching this again. Like, what do you get out of watching people argue like this? And then I'd be walking out of the room and I'd be like, wait a minute. What did Dorinda just say? Like I would literally like, I was getting it through osmosis.

And I was so into it without even realizing I was into it that, oh my God, it was driving me crazy. But yeah, I've always, you know, and I remember when you were just, you just came back on the show last year for a couple episodes. For Ultimate Girls Trip. Yeah. So fun. That was, I read a thing just a minute ago. It was called Sun, Sand, and Psychosis. Was one of the episodes.

It's called Scary Island. Yeah, Scary Island. It's so funny. How was that experience to go on something like Scary Island and know that, okay, gloves are off, I'm sure, you know, we're just gonna, we're gonna buckle down and it's gonna be someone's gonna drink too much, you know, someone's gonna, you know, whatever. I mean, when you go into that thing, how do you mentally prepare? I mean, I would go to therapy for months just to get ready to go.

So before I went on Scary Island, went to Scary Island, I got extensions. So I was feeling gorgeous. Yes. I was going to say, you got to go in your best, like your best frame of mind the whole way around. I did. I got, I literally, my hairdresser was amazing. He was like, you know what? He's like, we're going to give you the best hair. So whatever happens, you're just going to be like feeling so good. Doesn't matter.

So I got my, I had to put these, had these extensions put in my hair. And I just, it's like, you know, when like something happens, like, I don't know, you get a haircut or whatever. I just felt so good. I felt so like good about myself. And I think that my good feeling, cause I wasn't like nervous or I wasn't upset or anything. And because I came from, I was coming from like a powerful place. Yeah. I think the other women got really, really freaked out.

you know, those shows are so geared towards camera time, right? Like if you're creating drama, you're getting your own camera more or you're asked back to do other things or whatever, but that's never been your thing. You've never been the drama girl, you know? So I think, no, I'm never the drama girl, but people love to me. They love they, when they see me, they're like, okay, we're just going to go after her. This is an easy target.

I'm like, I'm tall. I'm like big bird. I'm like, it's fine. Just go after me. You know, I'm fine. So my wife did ask me one question. She wanted me to ask you, my wife, my wife's name is Jessica, but I call her Canyon, which is her maiden name. So she's always just been Canyon to me. So Canyon was like, Oh my God, you got to ask Kelly if she really thought Bethany poisoned their dinner. I said, I'll ask her. So that's the only thing. No, what happened was we were supposed to be, she was supposed to be cooking dinner.

And she was getting her hair blown out. And then the chef, he like got so upset because she was screaming and yelling at him because he was making the dinner for us. And he hurt his finger. He had to go to the hospital. And the chef was like, I was like, is everything okay in here? You guys are cool. I love the behind the scenes. They make me like laugh. I get in trouble, but I mean...

Oh my God, I love it. I love that I always get in trouble though. No, you know what? I can't think of any show I've ever done where I haven't gotten in trouble because I have a tough time taking it seriously and I know I'm supposed to. But it's like when you're in the moment and you really do know what's going on, you get the giggles. You can't help yourself, you know? And it's like, you know, if you're not giggling, it's kind of your own damn fault. Like, why would you be here if you can't have fun? You know? I just love the fact that where we are today is that we're able to

talk honestly. I mean, for me to talk to a male honestly about your feelings and like uncoupling during the holiday, uncoupling here, I said that word. I have to figure out a new word. I mean, like I'm, I need to like figure out a new word, but to be able to like, to be able to, you know, especially, I think what's, I think what I admire about it is that you did it during the holidays, but also what I don't like about it is that you did it during the holidays because I think what people are, what people are talking about is that

their feelings, but it's more. It's like your mother may be invested. Your brother may be invested. You know, your family may be like, we really like that person or maybe they don't really like that person. And so it's just like, it's just more than just two people. Yeah. It's never like only the two. I agree. And I think that during the holidays, it's so hard. I mean, first of all, you go home to the holidays and, you know, someone's like,

your hair is too short. You got, Oh, did you gain weight? Oh, you're too skinny. You're do this. Or just like the pressure of, you know, doing well and creating a life for yourself during the holidays is like a literally under a microscope coupled with the fact that maybe your feelings are a little wild because you're not feeling the vibe of your, you know, your wife or your husband being far away or you're, you know, you've,

you've had some issues with cheating or whatever it is, or, um, it's just, it's under a microscope and it just gets really, really. And then like the Turkey does is dry. It's like, no. Yeah. The Turkey. Damn it. No, I'm really going to like lose it. What else could possibly go wrong? The stuffing. No, our relationship. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, it's so funny. I think, I think people do though. You have these heightened expectations, but you're right. I mean, then you factor in the family component and, you know, that's like, I always, you know, the cool thing that, that I kind of got to experience at least through my ex-wife and my split, which was again, many years ago now, but was that I still really enjoyed her family, you know, and I still do keep in touch with so many of them. And

So it was like, and it was never that kind of throw the baby out with the bathwater type of situation. Pardon the expression, but you know, it's, it wasn't like, and that's it. Final line of the sand, you know, for me, I'm like, no, this isn't their fault. This is our fault. Like I love them and they're good people and they love me. So we're going to remain in touch with one another. And we all still like each other. It wasn't like, you know, it was, it was actually a nice, I don't know. It was, it was the right thing to do.

um, to not stay married. And, and, and at that time, I guess. And, but it was also like, um, we saw it for what it was, what it was. And then we saw the bigger picture and we were like, we don't have to be at each other's throats about stuff. We've never been at each other's throats about like, you know, so that's super interesting because, um,

You know, like when we're talking about exes and things like that. Like I recently called off a wedding and I loved my ex's mother. She is a beautiful, beautiful, mindful, smart, sassy, creative, incredible woman. And I literally wrote her a text like a month ago and I was just like, I just miss you. Hope you're well. Because I do. I just love her so much. So I feel badly about that. But what about Ben, Jen, and Jen? Like, I mean, he's like...

I liked you, but then I like you, but then you're my like first like, like, what are your thoughts on that? You know, so I always, I use the term don't be Ben Affleck a lot in life. And I will tell you why. Not because, not because of anything. So it's not Affleck, it's Afflect? I know, but I think of like Afflect. I got Afflect. Yeah, I got Afflect.

I always think of it, and it's funny because I've only met Ben once, and he was very nice to me hosting a charity event. But in my life, I always think guys go on The Bachelor and hand out a few flowers, and next thing you know, they think they're Ben Affleck. And I'm always like, no, you're not Ben Affleck.

You're a dude who handed out flowers on a TV show. Move on. Right. And so go back to your life if other things come up. But don't be the dude who's just planning himself. They're waiting for a lead in a new movie. You didn't write any movies. You're not doing movies, you know, whatever. And so when all this stuff started coming up, you know, first of all, I love Jennifer Garner. You know, when Ben and Jennifer Lopez were together the first time and then they split up and he ends up with Jennifer Garner. I'm like this dude, like, honestly, he's just amazing.

like crushing it in the game of life, right? He goes from Jennifer Lopez to Jennifer Garner. How amazing. And then, you know,

messes that up somehow and ends up going back to Jennifer Lopez, which I'm like, okay, I can see this whole thing transitioning and making sense. And then that splits up. I kind of liked it. I don't know. It gave me like a warm, fuzzy feeling. I was like, they're cute together. They clearly love each other so much. Yes. But I think, you know, I think Ben, part of me is like, man, he's got to get himself right.

You know, like you mentioned, you mentioned therapy and different things like that. Like, man, I love therapy. I haven't gone in a while. Probably could use some, some buffer sessions for sure. But I always think about it. And it's changed so much. I mean, it's changed. It's so different. Therapy today is so different than it's amazing. It's amazing. I loved it when it was the old school style. I agree with you. He needs to like clean himself up and he can't blame and shame other people. No way. And stay out of, stay out of anybody else's life for a little while. Work on yourself. Right.

But what I think is interesting is that he loved Jennifer Garner, but he's in love with J-Lo. And I think that that's like a difference. Do you know what I mean? I do. I do. I think he has familial love for Jennifer Garner. That's my opinion. But I think he has, like he's,

In love. I mean, you can see even like whatever the photos, even though they're like, who knows if they were planted or not, whatever. But you can see them together. The way that, you know, like the way that they touch, you know, they're touching each other. There is a real, like he's very, he's, they're both very much in love. Yeah. Even though they can't be together. I think so. I mean, it's, it's gotta be one of those things that it's just like, you know, as much as you guys love each other, you can't make it work. And it's such a bummer because it's,

I don't know these people, but I want them to be happy so bad. You know, it's like I'm sitting there going, come on, you guys, you know, and it's like, you know, I don't know. It's a bummer. I mean, but sometimes, you know, you can have people in your life that maybe you once had

a different relationship with, but you guys can keep it together. I mean, for Jennifer Garner and Ben, obviously they got the kids, so that's important. But with J-Lo, I mean, it looks like Ben is really, you know, ensconced in that whole thing too. So yeah, I hope they make it work. I realize in some of the articles I was reading recently, I saw Leah Remini is going through divorce and they've been really good friends for a long time. And she was married for 21 years. I mean,

That's a long time. That's a long time. Part of me is sometimes like when you hear about someone who's been married that long, you're like, come on, guys, can't you figure it out? But then you wonder, has it been broken for a long time and they just kept it together for the kids? Who knows, right? Right.

Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together.

You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if you love hearing real, inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation beyond the run and get into the heart of it all.

It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Did you ever meet Rachel? I've known Rachel Zoe for a long time. Did you ever meet her? I have. Yeah, I met her back in the day a few times and thought she was really nice. Beautiful human. Yeah. She seems very zen. Beautiful human, beautiful family, amazing upbringing. Really, both of them are just such lovely people. I honestly was shocked and I sent her a text and I was like, because I hadn't seen her in a while and I was like,

I just want to let you know that I love you, whatever you are doing. I just love you. And I felt really, you know, there are certain things, the certain things that I read about or hear about from people that I've known in my past life, because we used to work together when I was, when I was, when I was an editor of Hampton's magazine back in the ice age. She was one of my stylists.

That's so cool. She is just so beautiful. And I just felt awful. I really did. I was just like, oh my God. Like you said, and maybe this is our Midwestern roots, Bob. We just want the best for people. Yeah, we do.

I genuinely do. And I, and like I said, I mean, I don't know Rachel well, obviously you do, but the, the times I can only think of my encounters with people. And that's, that's the thing I have, you know, that I carry with me. And she was always so lovely and just seemed so like spiritually centered and grounded and kind. And, you know, it was one of those things where you see someone blowing up with all this success and you're like,

Then when you run across them and they seem like the exact same person you remember from two years previous. And you're like, I love that. Yeah, to me, there's nothing better than that. But then there's the opposite. They blow up with success and then they're like wildly rude. So it's fine. We've seen that too. Yeah, we've seen that too. Wait, what do you think of all these families that are having Thanksgiving together as couples? Yeah. But they're not together.

I kind of like it. I mean, you know, like one child is one place and the other child is somewhere else. Like, see, that's the thing. Like, I always think about all of this. Like when a couple has a, has a kid or two, let's say, or whatever. And they split up. Right. And let's say it's one child, whatever, whatever reason in my mind, it's always one child. So a couple has one child.

Then they split up. And now this person that's part of that relationship now has children with their new partner or their new spouse, right? And now they're having this big family picnic. And where's the other kid? You know, and it's like, I feel so bad for the one that slept up. This is what happened to her. I actually know these parties a little bit too. Okay. All right. So let's hear the intel. Okay. So I shouldn't say I know them necessarily well, but...

You're like, I don't know them, know them. I don't know them, know them. But yeah, so Tarek, I've known him. I've known Josh, who became Christina's new husband, who she's splitting off of. Because my ex co-host and I, we had a show on SiriusXM for many years. That's her brother. And-

Seems like a nice enough guy to me. Yeah. So to see what they're going through right now, and I'm just like, wow, this is bananas. But yeah, I want to hear your take on it because, you know, again, I mean,

I want to think the best of everyone and I hope that they're going to make it all work. But it's like, you know, you start seeing who's controlling the narrative at different times and you're like, oh, my gosh. And then I get like, I don't want to go down in the rabbit hole with it. So I'm just like, I'm going to try and stay here, you know, and just hold everyone at an equal place in my mind, in my heart. But, you know, I don't know. Yeah. I'd be interested to hear what your take is on it.

So for a lot of these children and like a lot of my daughter's kids, you know, they were always like, well, they were asking what we're doing for Thanksgiving. Can so-and-so come? And so we would, you know, I would be like, if you want to bring, you know,

whoever you want, wherever you want, you're welcome to do that. And I didn't think of it as strange, except for afterwards, parents would say like, oh, so-and-so came here and this one came there. And it just seemed to be very, very complicated. And so on the one hand, I think,

Anytime that there's an opportunity to create a family environment for a child, whether that's theirs or another person's, I think that's a value add for the child. Yeah. But then on the other hand, it's like when the child is away from their family, they're creating memories with other families. And so it's always this disconnect between family.

what's my life look like versus someone else's? Yeah. And so-

you know, I was always very mindful of that when people would say like, oh, you know, you're going to take my daughter away for the weekend. And I would always say like, make sure you call into your mom and your mom is so great. And even, you know, men that I have dated that have children saying the same thing, like your mom is so great. I'm sure she misses you so much. Don't forget to tell her how much you love her. Like, you know, just so that they're not like, oh no, I'm going to be

Kelly's gonna be my new mom. Right. No, no. I think that's empathetic though. That's like, that's you showing empathy, which I think is really a kind trait to have. I appreciate that. When you have someone like I would, I'm always mindful of how it's going to make someone else feel to a fault. Sometimes like my wife will even say like, you're probably creating this in your head. And I'm like, well, I'm just thinking about how it would make me feel. You know, like if, if I get a Christmas card, uh,

that has a picture of everyone else in the family on it but me, my feelings would be hurt. And so in my mind, it might be like, well, you weren't there the day we took the picture. And okay, I guess that makes sense. But on the other side of it, I'm like, well, then use a different picture or whatever. Or I don't know, just put one of the kids or whatever. So I always think about that kind of stuff. And I think that's what you're doing right there is being just very empathetic. You don't want the mom who's not with their child to feel like,

You know, you're trying to swoop in there and take over because that's a mom fear. That's a dad fear. You know, I would have that. But, you know, at the same time, you're kind of looking at it from the standpoint of, all right, if I make sure that she calls and, you know, she understands I'm not a threat here, then maybe we can get along. Right. And maybe we can have a nice relationship, too. That's kind of how I would go about it, too, I think.

Yeah. I mean, I think that children are just so malleable and they just, they want, they want to please so much and they'll just, you know, they'll go anywhere and do anything. But the good news about the Christmas card or the holiday card, whatever it is, it doesn't, doesn't that whole scenario is never going to happen anymore because now we can just like plop the faces. I know. That's right. Oh, there I am. I'm like superimposed in the background, like a balloon head. Yeah. But okay. So what Christina had going on here was it looked like she took one of the kids on a trip.

While the others were with Tarek and his wife. So, I mean, I've heard people doing that before, right? Like maybe I know I can't be there for the holidays. Maybe the oldest one gets to come with me on this trip or something or the youngest one because she never gets to go or whatever.

Right.

you know, like I said to my wife, I'm like, man, if I, if I piss you off and drive you crazy tough, cause I'm not going anywhere. I am not just going to be the dad on the weekends. So you're stuck with me. So get used to it. I vacuum a lot. Um,

I don't, you know, I don't cook as much as I should, but I keep the house clean. I love doing laundry. These are things that I, you know, I see as pluses, probably drives her a little crazy. But I'm like, you know, I'm not going to be a dad on the weekends. My boys, I have two little boys and, you know, I'm here. I'm going to be there every single day. So, you know, if something, God forbid, were to happen to us, it's like, well, tough. I'm there every day. You're going to be used to it.

I'm not going anywhere. I love that. But that's such a luxury. That's such a luxury because a lot of working dads, you know, it's like working moms. I mean, you know,

I mean, I know even for myself that like, you know, I work at a lot of different arenas and, you know, sometimes I'm like, I don't have a lot of time for my kids. And I, you know, as raising them on my own, I always felt so guilty. I'd be like, okay, let's just go to SoulCycle and then we're going to go for lunch and then we're going to go shopping because that'll make them happy. And then they'll feel good about themselves and we'll, you know, talk along the way or whatever.

You know, my youngest daughter will get in trouble. So I'll walk her home from school, you know, which was like four miles and we'll talk through things because I had time to do that with her that day. And so I would try to put in...

my time and effort with them in ways that I were like really proactive. I didn't have the, you know, I didn't, I couldn't be there all the time because I was, you know, it's like my work life doesn't allow that. Were you mindful to make it at one-on-one time with each of the girls or was it always collective? Like how, how was that?

So that's a good question too. Like I would try to be with, you know, try to be with them like a family unit. I would always say like, we're a unit, we have rules. Like I would always talk about like the things that we do together to, to create, you know,

just a unit that they could take with them. And, you know, it's interesting. I mean, like the biggest compliment when you're, when your kids get old, older, like mine are, and they like reiterate what you say. I'm like, I'm sorry, what did you say? You're like, I said that. Did you just say it's not the right tool for the right job? I'm like, that's what I say. Oh,

Anyway, I just feel like... My son's already doing that. My six-year-old is already mimicking me and not always in the best way, by the way. So, yeah. Okay, what about Brittany Cartwright? I love her. First of all, Vanderpump Rules. I'm like, what is going on with Vanderpump Rules? I'm obsessed with these kids. I love that. I know, man. So, it's crazy because it's like...

Yeah. But this, especially, you know, once the whole kind of the roof went off with Scandaval, all of a sudden it was like, you know, I mean, everybody started paying attention again. Not that they hadn't been. I was at BravoCon when he was there. I was at BravoCon. Oh, you were? Oh my God. Yes. And he was like walking around with his like food by himself, like very like in his own moment. Yeah.

Yeah, I was like, ooh. I mean, I love that show. I love Lisa Vanderpump. I love all the characters. I love the restaurants. I love Lisa Vanderpump. I love all the characters. I think everyone is like...

Stassi, I love her. She's just like very, she really like gets herself. And now all of a sudden they're going to do the reboot, right? With a whole new cast apparently. I know. I'm like, I wonder how that's going to go because man, I, you know, like I've known Jax for a long time. And so it's like to now have him going through all this stuff, he and Brittany going through all this stuff. I'm like,

gosh, do I reach out? Like, what is the right thing here? You know, I want to be like, what's, what is the tea? What's like spill it. I don't know. You know, I, I don't, I don't know. Cause I, again, I'm trying so desperately to stay keeping everybody right here. You know what I mean? Yeah. But, um, you know, uh, yeah. So Brittany, uh, basically I, from what I can tell, um, Brittany's admitted to hooking up with one of Jack's friends since they decided to divorce. And so part of me is kind of like,

How good of friends are we talking here? Is this a friend or is this, you know, one of his boys, which I highly doubt. But it could be an acquaintance who, you know...

or whatever. I mean, I guess there's a million different things to look at here, but it's like, you know, their reasoning for splitting up, which I think everybody knows was kind of, you know, some not so great decisions on Jax's part that kind of caused some tension and some stress from what I remember. Yeah, I was going to say, wasn't he the one that was like always cheating? Yeah. Or like just running around. Allegedly. Yeah. And, you know, and then now all of a sudden it's like, she's doing this. Is this,

kind of settling the score? Is this, she's, you know, made a decision that she's over it? And is there a timeline? Like, what's the appropriate timeline? Like, you know, guys have a saying, which is not a very nice saying, but it's always like, you know, bros before whatever. I believe, I can't remember what the other word is, but it's basically like, you know, your buddies before, you know, girls or whatever. But I mean, it's like- Bros before Joannas, right? Okay.

Oh, whatever. There you go. Oh, my God. What? Bros before Joe. Ladies named Joe. But yeah, whatever it is. And so ultimately, I think, you know, that kind of mindset is supposed to be what you keep at the forefront when it's a guy splitting up like, oh, my God, you know, this is my ex's, you know, friend. And she's really apparently into me. When am I okay? You know, I don't know that there's ever an okay time for that. Yeah.

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where ambition meets inspiration, search for How I Work on the free iHeart app or in whatever podcast app you're listening to. I like what you said about, you know, him being known as this alleged philanderer and now she is.

was hooking up with one of his friends. Like, I think it's interesting, like, is the playing field level now? Yeah. Or is it just, like, completely broken? I mean, I think... I saw an interview with her. I mean, she's such a beautiful girl. And she said...

something along the lines of, you know, that she's put all this time and effort into this relationship. And, you know, throughout watching, re-watching old Vanderpump, you know, she's always saying like, I just want you to be happy and I don't want you to go into your old ways. And, you know, she just seems very like,

I wouldn't say sad, but she seems always very like concerned that what is, what's, what is their relationship going to really look like in the future? And so I was, I'm shocked that she, she slept with one of his friends. I mean, I am, I'm shocked. I'm a little,

I'm a little surprised by it just, just because I feel like it might be one of those things that, you know, it's, it's quick, you know, like you often hear that saying the best way to get over someone is to get under someone new. Is it really the best way? Okay. So fine. Nice. So you have sex. Let's know. So let's break that down. So you have sex, right? Okay. You're like, Oh, you're a jerk. I'm mad at you. So I'm just going to go and have sex with this other person. But then the sex is over and then you're back to yourself again, right? Feeling good.

Now you're feeling guilty. And like maybe for five minutes you're looking in the mirror and you're like... Yeah. Yeah. But that wears off. And then you're, by the way, walking around and you're, you know, out with your friends and your friends are like, how are you? Oh, I got laid last night. And they're like, kind of like, huh? Like, oh, okay, you got laid. But it's not like a... It's not like you got laid and...

there was the emotional connection is there. Right. Well, that's just it, right? I mean, that's the problem. That's what a lot of people get really upset about. Yeah. Sex can be great or can suck with anybody. So it's like, it's not like just hooking up with someone. So having for me, for someone to have sex with someone, that's not me. That is like,

No, like I will never have sex with you again. Like if you have sex with someone else, like I'm not going to be a part of that. Right. Which I understand. Go shower in Clorox and like go meet someone else. Like I'm not interested. Right. No, I get it. I get it. I do get that because you're about a connection.

the emotional connection is what people get really freaked out about. Like the texting back and forth. Yeah. Oh my God, you guys are texting every minute because that's like the serotonin. Right. Like that's why they want you back on all these dating apps is because like, there's like a, someone's interested in you or it's not like, hey, can you like, you know, make this deck for me or, you know, can you write this article? It's like,

you're hot, you're cool. Let's meet. Yeah. Yeah. It feeds your inner fire. It goes wild. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why people get really, really freaked out about the emotional connection. That's why some people, you know, I mean, I've had in the past about had guys be like, you cannot speak or text. We get to block all those, all that contact. And I'm like, yeah,

Well, I don't really feel it like that. Because I mean, if I like someone, I like them a thousand percent. Right. I'm not like, and then when I don't, I don't. I'm done. My wife's kind of like that. I see my wife like that, not just with guys, but with friendships too. Yeah, Canyon is pretty cool. Canyon is cool. Like she gets, if she's, if she's, if she's tried. I'm hot or cold. Yeah. If she's tried and not been met in the middle, she's done. Yeah.

And I'll be like, oh my God, come on, you know, give it one more chance, you know, or whatever. Like talking about just friendships and things of that nature, which she hasn't, you know, she's not likely to throw in the towel too easily, but I'm the, I'm probably a little bit more of a doormat. Like I would stay a lot longer trying to make it work, you know? And she's just like, yep, nope. Fisher cut bait. I'm done. I'm like, how do you even know that saying? Yeah. I mean, that's what I did with my ex. I was like,

Yeah. Well, I think kids drive the butts a little bit too, right? Like you'd probably, you know, I mean, let's be honest. I mean, you did all the child raising that whole time. I mean, I would imagine you saw the, and I don't mean to comment on your personal life in that regard, because I obviously don't know him and don't, you know,

But I would think you probably saw the writing on the wall and you're like, okay, this guy isn't, this isn't going to go any longer or something of that nature. Like you knew. A hundred percent. I'm taking this over. Yeah. And you know, that, that. If my kids don't like you, I don't like you. Yeah. I'm that way with my kids. I know that sounds, people are like, you can have your own opinion. You're an adult. I'm like, yeah, I am an adult and I go with my kids first. Yeah.

I love that. And that was my decision. Yeah. My dog was like that. My dog passed away, but I had a yellow lab for 13 years. I'm talking about my children. You're talking about your dog. Okay. Well, I didn't have kids at the time. She was my kid at the time. But I would literally introduce her to people. And if she was kind of like a little standoffish, I'd be like, hmm, interesting.

And I would literally like file that away. I'd be like, okay, I'm watching out for this dude. You know, it was kind of, it was true. But I'm like that now with my kids too. If my, my kids know when people like them and know when they're good people and they're six and three, it's like, you know, at the end of the day, I think you made a good choice trusting your daughters. Cause I'm, I'm going to trust my boys. You know, if my boys don't like somebody, they don't need to be around. Yeah.

So Jessica Simpson is trusting her sister and asking her for advice. So with her separation from her husband, Eric Johnson, they tried couples counseling, which worked for a while, but then things went back to the way they were. And so she's asking her sister, what do you think about that?

Who else are you going to ask? I mean, I would definitely ask my sister. I mean, at the end of the day, you know, my sister and I are really close. And, you know, if I was going through something like that, I mean, it's the one person you think you can turn to who probably isn't going to make it conversation, you know, dinner conversation with a bunch of other people, you know, at the end of the day. I mean, obviously everyone's relationship is different with their family members. But for me, I would turn to my sister in that moment. I mean, you're, you know, you're feeling vulnerable. You're feeling like,

Your whole life is exploding around you. You have, I mean, for Jessica, she's got these beautiful kids. She's got this relationship that everyone, you know, admired from afar. The shoe empire. The shoe empire is bananas, right? I mean, she's just done so well from a business perspective. And we all thought she was, you know, we all thought when she was on the newlyweds back in the day that, you know, she was the ditzy one. Well, she...

surprised everybody there. She was chicken of the sea. She had the same producers that I had. She was chicken of the sea. I'm dead. I love that. I loved it too. It was smart. It was, I mean, she was like number one realities, like star TV star moments. And my, um, scary, I I'm a period on there was number two. And I, and I think something from scary Island was number three. So Jessica Simpson and I are like right there. I love that. That's awesome. Well, you're in good company.

Any design on making some shoes? I was going to say, let's go. Let's go. Somebody needs to get in that guy shoe world because I need some cool shoes. I don't have any. But yeah, I mean, I think it's... But you know what? To her point, one thing that I like is I agree with you. But sometimes I feel like when you're asking your family and your friends, I feel like sometimes I feel like it's too much. And I feel like friends just get...

tired and family get tired of saying, you know the answer to this. You're going to figure this out on your own. And therapy, again, like I said before at the beginning, it's changed so much. It's not what it used to be. It's not like, how are you feeling? You know what I mean? It's not an SNL skit. That's what it used to be like before. I was like, what is she asking me? How am I feeling? Sugar? Like, what the

Now they're like, here are examples of things that you've done. And here are things, here are tools to like, you know, to kind of not fix yourself, but to, you know, be aware of these triggers and try to like, you know, move in a different direction either way. Yeah, like quit making the same mistakes over and over and over again, right? It's like, I love that. It's called insanity. Insanity.

I'm telling you. Yeah, that is the definition. You know, I think about like, I went through couples counseling. My ex-wife and I went through couples counseling and I got a lot out of it. I mean, to the point where like, I kept going, you know, I kept going after she and I split up. I was like,

I really love it. And thankfully the counselor was willing to see me because it wasn't normal practice, I guess. And I was like, yeah, but I'm not going to start fresh with some new person, you know? And I actually liked that she had a female perspective too, which was helpful for me. Yeah. Some people want, the guys want to see a guy, you know, or the whatever. I really enjoyed seeing her. And yeah,

But it also, I think, like I said, you know, from a stand of being a bit of a doormat, I probably would have stayed in that longer than I should have. And it was, you know, I think having a female figure listening to everything and being able to help me see the forest for the trees and be like, okay.

it is time to move on, you know, or whatever, was probably pretty helpful, you know? And I think- My first and only husband, we went to couples counseling, he wore purple socks and he took photos of the therapist the entire time. And she's like, she was German. She's like, this is not what this is about. This is not, this is not a photo session. Well, the last one that's in the headlines for us to talk about today is Tish Cyrus and the- Yes. The Billy Ray Tish-

ensemble and that that whole thing for the longest time I was like oh my god Billy Ray's achy breaky he's got it together look at this wonderful family life and then you find out yeah I mean I've met Tish once or twice I thought she was lovely and it's like you get a chance to kind of peek behind the curtain you realize everybody's got issues right everybody's got stuff going on and you know trying to work through it and

And, you know, I think for her, you know, again, you know, she's, she's saying kind of a recurring theme here, at least from, from what I've been saying too, like there, sometimes you stay in it longer than you're supposed to. And, you know, yeah.

I think there's probably a lot of that that people go through. And maybe that's why every year around the end of the year, when people are thinking about how to brand themselves going into the new year or how they're going to tackle this new year differently or new year's resolutions or whatever it might be, maybe that's why we start finding out about all these people splitting up at the end of the year. You know, it's like, it's been coming for a while and they are just finally at their breaking point. They're finally at their place where they want to level set moving into the new year. And yeah,

I don't know. Maybe that's how they're doing it. What do you think? I mean, you know, first of all, they've had a tumultuous relationship. And, you know, it's like they're such an amazing family. I mean, she's such a momager. She's like raised like all these incredible children and been a great wife to him and everything.

I mean, there's just like, they're just the family that just, they just like the gift that keeps on giving. Do you know what I mean? It's like one's talented, the other's talented and the other is more talented. I mean, it's just like, they're just, they're just constantly bringing just incredible talent to us. And so it's just so hard. I think it's hard for us as like an outsider because we love them so much. All of the, every, everyone in the family, because we've seen them, whether it's on television or, you know, singing or wherever it's been.

And we were raised with them, you know, with Miley. And it's just really, really hard to see people that you love so much not be happy. I know. And...

However they're navigating this brave world, it's like from the outside, are we just... It's like, I love that. It's like stars are just like us. They pump gas. They get divorced. Woo! You know? They also drive vehicles. What? They drive vehicles. They feed their children. They also feed their children. Yes. Just like us. They brush their teeth.

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where ambition meets inspiration search for how i work on the free iheart app or in whatever podcast app you're listening to we put them on such a pedestal for obvious reasons because we love and adore them so much and then when we hear that there's heartbreak

Or when we hear that any kind of scandal, it's almost like disbelief. And it just, it, it, it cuts deep for us because we love them. And, and I think it's such a, it must be such a huge responsibility for them too. It's like,

They need to go on with their lives and they need to find out what, you know, how they're going to like navigate their own future and what that looks like for them. Do you think that anybody on this list? So we had like Tish, we had Jessica Simpson, we had Brittany, we had Christina. Is there anybody on the list that you think that could get back together? And if they could hold on, if they could get back together, who,

What do you think that that would look like from your perspective? Gosh, well, I don't know. I mean, man, when I think about all these couples, I think the Ben and Jen thing might be the one, right? Because it's almost like that's the one that hasn't, I don't know. I always feel like it's still kind of hanging on, lingering. And they proved to us this time that they weren't afraid to give it another try. So yeah.

Maybe, but there again, I mean, I think, you know, again, from the outside looking in, I feel like Ben needs to work on Ben first and get Ben to a good spot because I've seen some interviews with him where he just seems brooding and unhappy. And it's like, you know, I think, you know, for all the...

The great things that you've had that have come your way. It's like, you know, it might not be a bad idea to recognize those a little bit, show some gratitude to those types of things and feel good about who you are before you try to, like you said, use the biggest bandaid you can find or whatever that saying that you said, which I also really liked. It's like, you know, you can't, you can't solve your problems by yourself.

you know, finding somebody else to dump them on. Right. You got, I hope that Tish and Billy Ray, I know that Tish is remarried. I hope that they get back together and the whole family is one big happy family. And then we have a, we have a big new show and they have all this music and like, we're all invited to Nashville, the whole world. I would love that. I would love that too. I just love that family. I don't know what it is. Like, I just, I don't know. They're just like, they're, I just,

I love how she moms. I've seen her in action and I love how she's such an entrepreneur, but she's still loving. And I love how she tried to keep the marriage together for a long time. And I know that she's remarried, but you know, and I kind of, I asked you the question, but I'm interrupting you. No, I let it go. Which is one of my, which is one of my traits, but I'm working on it, but I'm actually not going to work on it right now. That's so good.

It's one of my, it's on my to-do list, but I'm, I'm, I'm a roast it for right now. Yeah. I kind of feel the Jackson, Brittany.

are going to get back together. Okay. I would kind of feel that now they're going to be like, whoa, especially now that they have a baby. Like, I feel like that's, that's, that's one of those things too. Like I want it to work because they have a baby and I want them to figure out a way to, to get over it and move on and find each other again. And, you know, just be happy. So let's let, I like that. Let's, let's end on that note. We're, we're seeing three potential reconciliations here in the new year, perhaps.

And, you know, I think that would be pretty great. Kelly, first of all, I have loved getting to talk to you even better, even better than I expected. And I had I had high hopes and high expectations just from having watched you on the show, how I thought it would be to meet you in person. But what a joy. And you are such a lovely person. And so I feel even more compelled to root for you every time I see you than I have been in the past, which I always rooted for you anyway. So this is this makes me very happy. So thank you for today.

Oh my God. Love to your beautiful family and to your mom. Yes. She's over here playing slots on her iPad. She's doing great.

Well, thank you so much. Thank you. A lot of what we're taking away from today, celebs go through the relationship ups and downs just like us, right? It's hard to navigate a breakup or a divorce at any time of year, but the holidays can definitely make it extra tough. So thanks to Kelly for joining me. She always brings such great insight to the show. And if you're divorced or ready to date again or you want some advice, we want to hear from you. So seriously, call us, email us.

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