I Choose...To Turn a No Into a YES with Molly Sims
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Hi, everyone. Welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about the choices we make and where they lead us. You guys, this podcast has been...

So incredible in so many different ways. I love this podcast. I can't say it enough. One of the best things about doing this podcast is that I get to connect with inspirational women that are blazing their own trails. And we get to have these incredibly deep conversations that leave me feeling inspired. And I know leave all of you feeling fired up as well. And that's what it's all about.

My guest today is a model and actress. She is the founder of the beauty brand Wise Beauty and has her own female-focused production company. She's also the host of the podcast Lipstick on the Rim. Please welcome Molly Sims to the podcast. Oh my gosh. I think maybe, correct me if I'm wrong because I have a terrible, terrible memory problem. Is this the first time we're meeting?

You know, I mean, it's not for me. Like, I grew up with your poster in my room. But no, I think maybe like many moons, like maybe 15 years ago, I met you and your poster.

ex-husband. But I don't know where, but you're just always so light and refreshing and fun. You're Jenny Garth, right? I'm so glad to finally have a chat with you. This is so good. It's so good. We're both moms and many children. We're working moms. We are. We were meant to have this conversation a few months ago, but

You know, we both know that our communities here in Los Angeles were turned upside down and we had to both, I believe, evacuate our homes. I think we were scheduled to be together on the 7th of January. Yes. Yes. I know. It's...

Yeah, we're still evacuated. I'm about 55 minutes outside of LA now with my family. Our school made it. My house made it. I'm hoping to get back in within the next month. But I actually, I got the nerve to go into the village, into the Palisades. And oh my gosh, it was so heart-wrenching and so devastating. Yeah.

Just to really see it up close, to really, you know, not through a picture, through social or through TV, like to really try to experience it. It was gut-wrenching, I have to say. Have you driven through Altadena or the Palisades yet? Yeah, I actually just went to Altadena last night to go to a restaurant over there. And it was just somber. It's real hard to see in person. I know. I think for me...

I kept putting it off and putting it off because I just didn't want to feel any more than I was already feeling. But I'm so glad I did it. Like, I'm so glad I'm on the prize. We can do this. We have incredible communities and people. And, you know, I'm really, I don't know, as much as it made me super, super sad, it also gave me a lot of hope. Mm-hmm.

And I've never seen communities pull together more. I know. I mean, if there's an upside, that's it for sure. But yeah, I'm glad we're finally talking regardless.

You know, one of the things that I admire the most about you is through your platforms, your socials, your podcast, everything you do, you really keep it real with your audience. And that's how I am. I think so many women and moms are so attached to this picture perfect life that they put out on social media, which is so unattainable and frustrating when you're looking at it. Why is it so important for you to have that level of realness with your audience?

You know, I got into social media very late. I'd already had three children. You know, it's who I've always been. I think if you know me, you know me and you know, like, kind of half goofy, half serious.

I'm a Gemini. So I, you know, I'll tell you what to do, how to do it, when to do it, even if it's unsolicited. I'm married to a Gemini. You know, God, Lord help us. I think I've always been that way. You know, my mom was that way. I think that's why I started the podcast because I had so many women and we've now run our third year. Like I would be like, okay,

like, what do you really do? Right. Like, I'll tell you what I do. And I was like, I was like, like, you know, and then like, oh, I drink water or, you know, I sleep, you know, and you're just like,

That's not really what you do, right? Like, why won't you share what you do? I know what you do. Do something that you do, but you won't tell me. I've never been like a gatekeeper. I've never been, I've always been like, here's this, try that. What do you think about that? I love that kind of a woman. I love that. But that's where Lipstick on the Rim actually came from. I do it with my best friend who lives in New Jersey. She has a shopping addiction. She says it's R&D.

But she's amazing. And we literally talk like you and I are talking, right? I went to Cabo, God, it was like four years ago for probably the last time we'd all kind of been together. We still haven't really been together since. And we'd all come down in the morning and be like, oh, I got this. What do you think about that? It was like a morning chat. And out of that is really where the ethos, the idea for Lipstick on the Rim came.

Because it's just that kind of like inside scoop. But, you know, I am who I am. I think it would be too much work for me to try to pretend that I'm not like this. Yes. To be really truthful. But, yeah, no, I think...

I don't know. I just think I've always been like this. You're just authentic. I try to be. I try to be transparent. I think, you know, listen, you learn a lot as you, your twenties, your thirties, your forties, your fifties. I think, you know, I don't need a hundred pennies as long as, you know, I've got four quarters. Like I think I invest in the bank with my, my, my group, my people, my community, my peers, my friends. I, I,

I think you have to, right? But you also have to invest in them. They'll invest in you right back. Because guess what? The shit is going to hit the fan. Let me tell you. For all of us. For all of us, it's going to hit. You know? Yes.

It's it for me. I do. I get that sense too on your social that you have a lot of really strong, beautiful women in your life. I do. What kind of a friend are you to other people? Like what role do you take on with your friends? Oh Lord. I'm like the, I'm like the cruise director. Yeah.

You know, I'm the cruise director. I definitely have an innate ability of bringing people together. It is my superpower.

I'm like a fucking vault. Yeah. I can really keep a secret. That's good. But I expect my friends to actually keep a secret as well. Yeah. I'm the one who kind of like brings us all together. I think I'm invested as much as they're invested. So I look at what we're doing, how we can be together, how we can pull it off. Like, you know, and it's very hard because I remember someone saying to me, I won't name my girlfriend. She goes, I'm not going to name my girlfriend.

Well, who are all these people? We were in Morocco. I celebrated my 50 and she's great. She's great. I'm like,

Well, her name's Annie. I was like, Annie, I don't just have people, you know, I don't just have friends from the West side. I lived in Europe. I lived in New York. I lived in London. I lived in France. I lived, you know, this is a culmination of, you know, so many years of my life. And that's, that's with my friends too. I mean, I have my mom friends. I have my, my Europe friends. I have my ride or die who know, you know, everything, you know,

you know, more than they want to know. Do you keep each of those friendships kind of like compartmentalized in their own boxes? Yeah. But for this 50th, it sounds like you brought all the worlds together. Yeah. And it was so fun because we're all so different. And, you know, I, I was really important to me that, you know, I didn't just celebrate my 50th year. I celebrated a culmination of all those years and friendships. And, you know, my girlfriend from Australia who, um,

I met her on a casting call. She was sitting on the floor and she spoke English, right? We lived together for three years after that. It's so great when you – because I'm kind of like that too. Like I have my parent friends, my mom friends. I have my personal – I have my work friends. I have my friends and my daughters. But I love bringing them all together and like seeing who meshes and how there's that like through thread relationship.

Yeah. Like to my girlfriend just visited me and we were college roommates at Vanderbilt. She spent spring break with me for her to with her two girls. She's doing she's doing my legal counsel for my beauty company wise. And she said something. She goes, OK, well, I'm going to go out to lunch with Andrea and Stacey and Robin. I'm like, well, she's like, yeah, no, you can't go. I already checked your schedule. I was like, what the fuck?

- Wait, what about me? - I was like, what about me? But she made, like they all became close in my future. Like, that's what I mean. Like it's great when you can, and I'm very much a connector. Like I, you know, it's actually one of my biggest pet peeves of not inclusivity.

I like to be exclusive to everyone. I'm not clicky. I was never clicky in school, definitely never clicky in college. And so I actually really do want my friends to be friends separate to me. Yeah, it's more fun. It's so cool when the world's coming. Do you believe in a best friend? Do you have like one best friend? Because I've always struggled with that.

I have two. I have Emesh and Michelle. I do. Okay. And you're like to your other friends, listen, I have two best friends and you're not one of them because I always feel so weird. Like different people fill different buckets though. Right? Like,

You know, what I get from Michelle, I don't get from Emisha. What I get from Emisha, I don't get from Megan or I don't get from Mimi or I don't get from, you know, certain women. Right. Like and I fulfill certain buckets in their lives. Right. You know, we just so happen, you know, with Emisha, with the podcast, you know, we went through that.

some pretty gnarly medical things together. And, you know, that bonds you in different ways, right? But knowing, you know, someone knowing me since I was 17. Yeah. There's value in that as well. Oh, sure. Those longstanding relationships are so valuable. Yeah. For me, like if you have a longstanding relationship or even a short-term one, just like in real love relationships, there are sometimes breakups.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, we broke up. I literally, Emisha and I got into like such, and it was over the dumbest, like the dumbest thing. Like literally, she would like send me like fake Chanel tights for me to engage because I'm like, no, I, you know, I always blow it off. And I never asked for anything, but I needed her to do something that had to do with work. And I'm like, she's like, I can't.

I was like, I really need you to do this for me. Long story short, it didn't work out. She sucked her gun. She didn't come. And, you know, I was upset. Like I, from, from where I sat, this meant something to me and I have no fucking boundaries, which I'm trying as a 51 year old woman. But I, it really like it bothered me. And, you know,

First month, I was like, oh, God, I miss her. But I'm going to try to make her realize this really hurt my feelings. She didn't mean to. But finally, after three fake Chanel tights, I'm like, I really need these. Let's go.

You gave in. That's okay because it sounded like you both had a very strong position. Yeah. And listen, I had a situation the other day. I called one of my friends. I'm like, you're freaking certifiable. You need to be in a white jacket. I love you. But you need to be locked up for at least a month. I'm very straightforward. You're never going to like... If we argue, you know that...

I'm a Gemini. I hold on to nothing. I'm not Scorpio. I'm not like, I don't know. I don't, I let it go. And that's the biggest thing I think when women always talk to me about friendship, I'm like, let it go. Like, it's not that you're not boundaried. It's not that you're, oh my God, it's going against your soul. But is it like, you know, people make mistakes. We love L.A.

I have lived in L.A. for almost 40 years, you guys, and it never gets boring because there's so much to do. When it comes to L.A., for me, it's definitely the food. There's so much food here. So many options. The walk up windows and the rooftop bars, the year end alfresco dining. That's my favorite. Los Angeles is really a culinary thrill ride place.

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You said before that you're working on boundaries. I need to know more about this. Why? Why? Do you not have boundaries in your life or do you feel like you could use more? I mean, Jenny, yes. Like, what do you mean boundaries? Like where all my clothes, you can take whatever you want from my closet. I'll just help someone. I'll just figure it out. I'll, you know, I'll get like, I get my cup runneth over. I just get really kind of drained from like,

You know, like I was just on a Zoom with my team and I had two people on the Zoom with me texting me. I'm like, ladies, it comes on my computer, my phone, whatever. I'm like, I'm on with you. Do not when I'm and they're texting me like, oh, we're sorry. I was like, I probably already have ADHD. I don't need like, you know, just like setting up boundaries and access and trying to do it all and be it all and really, really.

And I think sometimes when you are labeled that cruise director and you feel that in certain people's lives, I think sometimes people get offended. Like, I'm just stepping back because I'm tired. Or starting this company and having the podcast and my production company, it's definitely... I started this shit during COVID. You're an actress, producer, producer.

You have to do so many things because nothing ever works, right? Or what you bet on, you know, you're like, this is going to work, right? You have to have so many things going. If not, you're like poor, right?

Right. Like I just finished kind of pregnant for Netflix. I worked on it for four and a half years for no money. Like, but that didn't, you know, again, I'm not saying I just, I mean, in terms of boundaries that. Are you good at saying no? I'm a terrible at saying no.

But I know that a no means a yes for something else. I will say that COVID definitely, you know, it helped me. It did help me. It helped me kind of pull back.

It helps me get really focused on what I want to do and not to do. But yeah, boundaries are really hard. And I'm trying, like even with Emma's show, like she was like, what's wrong with you? Right? Like normally I'd be like, oh, it's fine. It's okay. I'll just, I'll just figure it out. I'll find, okay, she can co-host. Like I'll just figure it out. I don't know. But some things like at one point, like, no, I do invest in this relationship and this is a boundary that is important to me and you need to respect it. And like, if me, like,

Just kind of making you figure out that sometimes I have to do it. Like I've taken, I took a pause with a friend for five months. And look, at the end of the day, everybody comes at a situation differently. That's what I try to tell my kids. Try to, what I say to me, how I enter a conversation, what shoes I wear to enter it are different than the person that I'm with.

Right. So, you know. Yeah. I mean, speaking of shoes, it feels like women like us, we're both kind of on a similar path. We came up in the nineties. I feel things have changed so much in female friendships from the nineties till now. I don't think that women were as apt to build one another up and, um,

It's much more competitive, I guess is what I'm trying to say, in the world that I grew up in. 100%. Did you feel that way? Of course. I mean, it was like the other model is going to slit your wrist, right? She's going to like Tanya Harding. Tanya Harding. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, no. It was definitely – I mean, I think that's where –

I did, you know, not single white female per se, but I had a couple of girls that like my rider dies because that's really all I had. Right. Like, and it was super competitive. And, you know, I think for someone like me, my armor is so like thick. Now I've been told I'm fat, I'm ugly, I'm too tall. I'm not tall enough. I'm too blonde, right?

You've heard it all.

like really ruffle me because at 21, I got ruffled. Yeah. I think when you come up on your own in this industry, you get real thick skin. You do. And that's a good thing.

It is. It can be a great thing to protect ourselves. Yes. Especially as entrepreneurs now later in life, building your own brand. Yeah. And also not having FOMO, right? Like I, you know, I was telling my, one of my employees just had a baby and she's like, Jesus, really know why? I really know why mom can, content's going to work. She's three months old.

And then I'm like, I know it's different, right? Like it's different than what – momming, being a mom is very different than what the idea of momming, right? You're in charge of a soul. You're in charge of keeping someone alive. Alive. That's a big responsibility. Yeah. I do think – listen, it's hard. But it's a great – resilience is a great thing. I always say –

You know, they're road bumps. They're small little bumps in the road. You know what I mean? And you come in and you come out. I think I've done a pretty good job of, you know, when I'm down coming back up, I think that's been a little bit of a superpower that, you know, because I've had to, right? I think for you as well, you've been on the highest of highs.

the most popular girl in the world, not even globally, right? And then on the lowest of low, you know, and that can take its toll, but it also, I don't know, it goes good into your next chapter. Yeah. It really teaches you about your strength, like at your core, what you're capable of,

And I think also it teaches you to not be afraid of reinvention because like you said, sometimes you're way up and sometimes you're way down. And when you're way down, it's really hard to think about climbing back out of that hole. I know. But that's the strength. It's really hard. But that's what you do. And that's – I was – I never finished it, but I was kind of writing my third book and I put it to the side to start the podcast. And it was –

kind of tentatively labeled unstuck. How do you get in? How do you get out? Right. Because a lot of times being neutral is the death of you, right? It's better to either be really, really messy sometimes so you can figure it out and you can go forward. I think a lot of times women get stuck trying just to make the decision, right? It's what I always say, go to Vegas and bet.

Is it black? Is it red? But you got to bet, right? And sometimes it's going to work and sometimes it's not. And I'm always like, you can reinvent yourself. You've just got to bet on it. You've just got to go in and you've got to figure it out. And some of it's going to work and some of it's not going to work. It's just like love. Like if you want to have love in your life, you have to risk heartbreak. And if you want to have success in your life, you have to risk failure. And

Nobody loves a Monday night quarterback, right? I mean, it's hard to put yourself out there. It's hard. I remember where I was when I, April 25th, 2023, we launched WISE. I can remember, I almost thought I was going to have a panic attack. There was something that, something with Instagram, the algorithm was like, and we did like a, I don't even know, but I had like

200 like 200 people looked at I'm like wait something's something's got to be wrong but I literally silently inside Schaefer and I like I'm like Schaefer what the fuck what is happening like I don't know long story short I was like this is probably not gonna work right like I'm like this is this is right now I'm gonna work you just gotta hang on it's like what I said I was on a finance call before this and

Sorry, guys, if you're listening, that's my ice machine next to me making all the noise that I'm going to have a lot of ice by the end of this podcast. I was on a finance call before and it's like, put on your seatbelt, pull down your oxygen mask. Folks, you're like the pilot of the plane and here we go. It's like the roller coaster of your life, right? How do you feel assuming that position like in a big meeting like that? Like when you are basically the founder and the CEO of the company, the brand? Yeah.

Was that a natural transition for you as a model, an actress, a producer, then to start your own brand? Yeah. I mean, I think it's kind of why I wanted to. I think, you know, I've always been the girl...

modeling the lemonade or the juice, right? So I'm the girl who comes in at the end, like this juice is fantastic. I want that juice now. You did a great job. Thank you. You know, it was really important to me at, you know, a certain point in my life that I, you know, I just, I wanted to be a part of something from inception, not just at the end. And I think, you know, I love my kids and I love my books that I read, but to be part of

to see something through. And with the production company, Something Happy, it happened off of a fluke, right? Like I was writing a second book. I needed two organizers. I found a cold call. These women on Instagram called the home edit, Clea and Joanna. It happened very organically. I'm like, I don't really pay people for content. I don't even know like what this is, but if you want to come out, I'll use it and you can use the content, right? They're like, done.

They were in my pantry arguing, laughing, killing each other. I'm like, I said to my husband outside, I'm like, these two bitches could, I mean, they could have their own show. Like, I don't even know what's going on in there. And they came out and I was like, I know this is going to sound weird, but I think you really have something. I'm not an organizer, but...

Anyway, I helped him get an agent. We sold it to Reese Witherspoon. We got it back. Reese and I figured it out. We got it back. We sold it to Netflix. And that's kind of how my own producing and I would always read for my husband. Then I, you know, just kept reading. I don't know. Like I always wanted to be part of something. And I always felt like I would have come up with that idea.

Or, and I was always really good at, I'm still good at, I'm still good at like spotting people, trends. Like I'm good with like, that's going to work, right? Like even if like, they're like, that is not going to work. That's going to work. K-18, I got a little thing in the mail from Australia. It was called K-18.

hair prep, some sample. I don't even know. I DM'd the company. I'm like, I really liked your sample. They're like, oh, we're in the middle of a restructure. We're renaming our company. I was like, oh, okay, whatever. I don't even look at samples. This was like this much. K18, you know, biggest, one of the biggest investments, partnerships I ever did. I'm good at that. Um,

But I don't know, I wanted something on my own. And that's how WISE came about. I had a skin problem and I looked at the white space and I'm like, why is everything that's really ugly and derm and really strong and fucks with your barrier? And then why is everything else cool and fun but doesn't really have the efficacy for someone like me? Right.

it's given me a lot of pride to answer your question. Uh, it has given me, I've pulled from every part of my life. I've pulled from taking chances and being like, this is never going to work to fake it till you make it. We're amazing. Right? I think my girlfriend sent me this, um, she sent me this, um, this text, uh,

the other day and it was like, you are going to win because you're an absolute psychopath. No one can keep up with, you know, you have to kind of like believe. And I think, yeah, I've pulled from sports, being on a team, potting people together. First thing I ask is how well do you work with people? Are you a team player? Um,

Do you give grace with other people? Would you buy them a coffee if you're standing in line? I ask the weirdest questions during an interview. But yes, very long answer, but I have pulled from every aspect of my life. We love L.A. I have lived in L.A. for almost 40 years, you guys.

And it never gets boring because there's so much to do. When it comes to LA, for me, it's definitely the food. There's so much food here. So many options. The walk-up windows and the rooftop bars, the year-end alfresco dining. That's my favorite. Los Angeles is really a culinary thrill ride.

sure to leave visitors hungry for more. You never know. You could have tacos for breakfast, sushi for lunch, Italian for dinner. There's so many options here. Or maybe you're more into shopping from exclusive streetwear drops to high-end boutiques

Los Angeles tastemakers offer up an array of styles in a single city block, contributing to the bold, wildly creative style that gives Los Angeles its own look. I love vintage shopping, and there are so many amazing vintage shops here. You've got to check them out. Find more ways to love LA at discoverla.com. Hi.

Hi, it's Jenny Garth. Feeling confident in my skin is non-negotiable, and that's why I choose Perricone MD. Perricone MD's triple retinol renewal face and eye serums are powerful but gentle, boosting cell turnover for visibly smoother, firmer skin. Since I've started using these serums exclusively, I've noticed that my skin is more radiant, it's glowing, and people are asking me more and more questions

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especially with somebody with your history, do you feel like they are less apt to take you seriously? Did you ever fight with them? Well, I mean, that's my whole life, right? Like I was a coat hanger, right? I was someone who, you know, they didn't know I was, I went to Vanderbilt. I was a name. I was a number. I put on tennis shoes, walked two miles, flipped through my book, didn't even make eye contact with me. Very disrespectful. Thanks. Bye. You know,

I've always tried to prove myself. No one really even knows. It's my audition for Las Vegas with Gary Scott Thompson. I was like, okay, I want to be taken serious. Okay. So I didn't wear any makeup. I think I wore like, like a flip flop sandal, a t-shirt and jeans. And, and listen, Gary was amazing, but he called my agent. He was like, does she want to like do that? Does she want to be pretty? Like, does she?

I just wanted people to take me serious. Right. So that's, that lives in me, whether I start a company at 50, whether I start something at 40, I think it lives in most women. It's like, what do you got to, what do you have to prove? Right. Like for me, you know, that has always been like, you're just pretty. You're not, you're not smart. You're, you're pretty. Oh, sweetie. Bless her heart. Bless her heart. Um,

So listen, that will always forever be with me. You know, when someone tells me no, I turn it into a yes. You know, it's just, that's how I've always had to exist from, right? Like,

Otherwise, it's like, yeah, everybody else is going to call your shots and point to your trajectory rather than you doing what you want to be doing and taking that risk like we talked about before. And it is hard to take that risk. A lot of people, you know, we put down like I was reading this whole thing on Tom Brady and I'm like,

Good Lord, how could you put him down? He's like a nine champion Super Bowl, whatever. People are going to, I don't know what his record is. I don't know either. But I'm just saying it's very, very hard to put yourself out there in anything that you do. And that's why sometimes with Instagram or, you know, with TikTok or with social, I think the takedown is so brutal. And so I find it truly awful that with some people,

women have to deal with. It's what I have to deal with. I'm like, well, you know, I'm an Instagram away from getting canceled, you know, because I'm like, oh, I'm going to make somebody mad. I love the way you do put stuff out there that is against the norm of like parenting, like the proper parenting perspective, etiquette, opinion, you know, you lay it out there because it's real, like what you're dealing with. You have three kids. I have three kids. We know.

It's the best and the worst job you could ever have. Yes, of course. And it's like, you know, someone said to me, like, don't let them know, you know, you have 74 PASI fairies. I'm like, what?

Like, I really don't think he's going to go to college with it. So, you know, maybe he did it a little longer and we're going to have some bad teeth. But, you know, I try to put things in perspective and to meet each kid where they are and to not be judged because I do helicopter. I want to know where they are, when they are.

You know, and I'm trying to go against it. I love that. You're an admitted helicopter mom. Oh, for sure. Me too. I am too. I don't call it helicopter per se. I call it. Yeah. What's another, a better title for that? What was it? It was funny. It was so funny. It was like, I am a mom who advocates. Yeah.

I'm an advocating mom. Wow. That sounds professional. But I do, no, I get in there with them, you know, like- How old's your oldest? 12. 12. Okay. Yeah. Because he was like, the other day he was like, mom, I'm pretty sure I have hair. And I was like, she's like, you gotta look. And I was like, let me get my glasses. You know, I'm like-

I think, I think I see a hair, right? Like, you know, my, some of my friends would be mortified. Like, again, it's everybody's like, he's like, he doesn't care. I don't care. But yes, I was like, I think I see a hair. Listen, that will change very quickly, right? It's just...

you know, development. It's, it's where you're going, but it was pretty sweet. He's like, do you see anything? I think I see one, you know, like it was just really sweet. And,

Some people are like, oh my God, you're crazy, but who cares? I don't care. Yeah. Enjoy that openness now. It's great. And you know what? I had always had people tell me, oh, look out. You have three daughters and they're going to turn into teenagers someday and then you're going to have so much trouble. And I would always say, you don't know me. You don't know my family. I don't need to take that

advice on because I don't believe in it. I feel like I can do it however I want and that sort of seems how you're doing it too, which is admirable. A couple of them might end up in prison, but we're making it. No, I'm being funny. I definitely... Listen, I do. I speak to an amazing therapist, Bronwyn Charlton. She's with Aliza Pressman. They have an incredible company. Yeah, I...

I do listen. I do listen. The older moms, like we got to interview Jonathan. Hey, you know about being a helicopter mom. It's the worst kind to me, you know, and him being like, let him go to Chipotle. Like I always think of him because we moved, um, uh, West of the Palisades and there's a little ice cream shop. And I'm like,

I'm going to let him go to the ice cream shop on his own. Walk there. No social, no iPhone, no contact. He's going to go and I'm not going to know where he is. But I will say my older mom friends have actually helped me because you kind of learn and you see what they do, right? Like, do you let them, you know, go here? Do you let them take an Uber? Do you let them have a phone? We don't have phones or anything yet, but...

Um, listen, it all, there's no right way. There's, there's no one way. No, there absolutely isn't. It's whatever works for you. It's whatever works. And I don't really care what other people think of whatever works for me. I know. That's kind of, you have to go about it. What's the, okay. Having these, this age bracket kids and a marriage, happy marriage. You have a profession. You're very, you know, you're, you're diversified. Let's say, do you ever lie to your kids?

Yes. I love that. Not a pause. Yes. You know, I, do I lie per se? I'm very careful of meeting them where they are. I did mess up with my 12 year old. And I learned, listen, it was a moment. It was during COVID. Kobe had passed away. He asked me,

I could not tell him about the daughter, about his, I could not. And he was so offended. He was like, I can't believe everybody. No, like you didn't tell me. I honestly could not tell him. I was so emotional, but I learned that a certain level of honesty is really important with these kids. They want to know that you're telling them. So it's not that I per se lie, but

But I tell them where what they need to know on based on where they are. Right. If something is bad that they don't need to know it. Yeah. Why would I put that on them? Yeah. Now, other people would say opposite. And that is to each his own. But it's kind of hard to differentiate between what is good.

out of their, you know, not age appropriate for them to know about, especially now. I mean, you said your kids don't have phones yet, so they're not on the social media, but like just the news, just if they walk in the room and the news is on.

They're being exposed to so much. It's tricky. It's why we don't have the news on anymore, Jenny and RL. I love you, NBC, The Today Show, and I love CBS, but we don't have it on because they listen. Yeah, listen, I'm on the cusp of everybody knowing everything because there is access. And like, it was interesting, even with the election, Brooks would be like, oh, I know that about Trump or, oh, I know that about Biden. And I was...

Yeah, they know.

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I think there's just such a huge misconception out there

about when people like you and I start brands and companies that we're not working hard, that it just happens because of our name or whatever. Tell us how many no's you got. What have been your biggest obstacles to getting to wise? Oh, I mean, everything. Everything starts with no until I turn it into a yes.

How do you turn things into a yes? Oh, I just don't stop. I mean, I just keep going. You refuse to accept it. I'm just like, oh, well, I'll figure it out. I'll come back to you. There was a paid agency I really wanted and they were like this one famous businesswoman. She's amazing. She was like, they're never going to take you. And I was like, oh, really? I was like, you think so? And I was like, it just bothered me and bothered me and bothered me. I was like, oh, yes, they will. I don't know. I...

I pivot. I work really hard. I'm big picture. So important. I'm good under pressure. I find the positive in a lot. Probably the best thing about me, and I was saying this to a CFO a few minutes ago, I go, but I listen.

I listen. I don't, I think a lot of founders, um, put people around them that they want them to say yes to, like they want to hear. Yes. I, I put people around me who are smarter than me, who challenged me, who go against me. I think that's a little more like my mom was like that. My dad was like that. Um, a little left of center. Um,

I don't want to be the CEO of my company. I should not be the CEO. I mean, I can act like it in every form, but I need someone to be smarter than me and know more than me. Yeah. I think for me, that was so important too. And recognizing that I want to be surrounded by people that are better than me, smarter than me, more accomplished than me. You know,

I think too, like from modeling to hosting, to acting, to producing, to, you know, being an entrepreneur, I will say, and maybe it's the Gemini in me, but I'm honestly really curious. Like when I, when we have lipstick on the rim and we'll have like a Jonathan Haidt, like Emisha and I will be taking pages of notes, right? You know, when she's doing her spring must haves, I'm like,

like, I don't even know what her spring, but like, I'm taking, I'm actually genuinely curious. And I think it helps to be curious. Absolutely. To be curious, to have passion and to believe that those are really important things. Yeah. To believe in yourself. So important. I love that message that you, you put out there.

And you know to work with like, you know I think the hardest thing for me starting a company is that you know when you're in startup mode it's very different. You're like oh the people who start with you won't end with you and I'm like well of course you're gonna end with me. Like where are they gonna go? You know when you soon realize that you know your different objectives and where you need to be whether it's retail, wholesale, different needs of the company and

And that's been a little like stomach churning for me to be able to make those decisions and to leave people that I really enjoyed working with. It's hard. That's hard to do. I'm such a loyal person. Oh, girl. I'm loyal to a fault. But I'm getting better. I'm getting better and I'm trying to be boundaried. And, you know, they're always like, well, you don't have to be on the exit. I was like, no, I do. Mm hmm.

it's important yeah yeah it's important to me right now and if i can still handle it later on it's important to me like i think how you start and how you you know how you end is a lot of times better than how you start you know absolutely learning so much along the way you have i feel like after 50 you're just like going off like you're really coming into your own somehow i know i felt i feel like that with myself

But I feel that from you and I love watching you. I think your social media is hilarious. You make me chuckle. You're just killing it. I'm just really happy for you. Thank you. You're back at you, girl. I mean, you know, I think it's, you know, reinvention is a really hard thing, right? Because I'm not the 25-year-old Victoria's Secret model that walks in. You know, I'm just, I'm not that girl, right? Right.

Between us, yes, of course, it's fun to go back and reminisce, but I don't really want to be that girl anymore. But it is. It's very hard to reinvent. It's very hard to... I think with the company, I had a massive...

skin color, melasma, hyperpigmentation. So it was something that I was organically trying to figure out myself because I was so insecure with my skin and, you know, coming from this world where everything depends on what you look like, you know, having those years in my forties, having to not be baked per se, but definitely being specific about, um,

the sun and pregnancy and hormones and patches and just figuring out the mess that I had created and getting out of that, that really took a toll on my psyche, right? Because I kind of had led with what I look like, right? And so...

you know, then you're pregnant, then you're going into the hospital at 204 pounds and then you have a thyroid problem. Then you have a skin, like life starts to get very layered, shall I say? Um, but yeah, reinvention, you know, I think for anyone listening, be okay with change, you know? Yeah. It's not easy before I let you go though. I have to ask you, Molly Sims, what was your last? I choose me moment.

I think I choose. It's going to make me cry. It's okay. I think instead of I choose me, I chose us. What does that mean to you? Just having that, you know, the beginning of being able to say no to things, to say yes to us, to say yes to me, to I choose me, to, you know,

That's not going to really work for me right now. And those are really hard words because I love, I'm from the South. I love to please everyone. Yeah. And, you know, I've lost some friends along the way because I really couldn't do any more than what I was doing. You know, I think with COVID, the fires, you know, losing my mom and dad, I cautiously lost

had to take a step back to choose me. Yeah. How does that feel? I mean, uncomfortable, you know, really, you know, I, you know, I love when people be like, Oh, she's not going to do that. Like Michael, who's my publicist on this podcast listening right now, he's like, you know what, she's going to not do it right now. We're going to revisit this. And like, I was like, Oh God, thank you. Thank you for saying that. You know, like,

Just really trying to choose me, right? Like having people around me that help me choose me. Because if not, I'm like, you know, I'll just be like, oh, I'll help you. Okay. Yeah. No worries. Just call me. I'll interview. Like, oh, well, you know, I, but it choosing me has been a lifesaver in a lot of ways because there's only so much I can do. I have to be there for my kids. I only have so much bandwidth. Um,

But it takes a lot of honesty, right? It takes a lot of, and I used to do this as like when I would work and come, like I'm sure you did when you would come off a show or you'd come off a stint or you'd come off, you know, six weeks, 10 weeks, three months, you know, because you did network television. So you were on what, 23, 24 episodes was yearly, year round, right? Yeah. So when you go on those marathon runs and you stop,

it's like, A, you don't even know what to do with yourself. No. And B, for you, then you had three young girls with Peter and both of your, it just, it gets crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. And then life happens on top of it. So I think I choose me. I've chosen me. I choose me in those moments because I have to.

Do you feel like it's you choosing to reconnect with yourself and your truth instead of? Yeah. Yeah. We just level it out. We at least balance it. We balance it out. We kind of start back to zero. You know, I did, I do acupuncture and I'm like, girl,

I was like, I don't know. I can't sleep anymore. I'm like sweating. I'm like, and I was like, you know, all the things that you're going through. And I was like, I was like, you've got to help me. I'm like, I just can't sleep. Literally like in 30 seconds, she left my room. I was like, I was like snoring, right? Like I just needed someone to like, just call me. That has been a really good for me and my sense of, um,

just sense of getting back grounded and just have, again, that's an hour and 15 minutes just for me. Um, I took a walk the other day and I'm like, I'm not going to go to that sports thing. And they were so upset. What do you mean? What do you mean? You're not going to go. I'm like, kids, mom's going to take a walk and I'm not going to call you. I'm not going to talk to you.

I don't care how you do. I'm just going to go take a walk, you know, but those check-ins are important. Yeah. You got to listen to your needs. You got to put yourself first sometimes. And I'm so happy to hear that you're doing that because it's vital. Thank you for being on the podcast. You're amazing. We love you. We love your path. I said to the kids, I'm like, getting to talk to Kelly today, you know, because they,

my kids are obsessed with anything nineties. I mean, obsessed. It's so fun. It's so fun to go back and to, you know, see it with them. My girlfriend was just here. She did Miss congeniality. She was Miss Texas and scrawled. It was like the redheaded one. Oh yeah. Um, and she was like,

You're Miss Texas. It's just so cute. I love that they know about the 90s. Good job. Oh, yeah, girl. Are you kidding me? The 90s are everything. The best. The best of the best. Well, I'm going to let you go. I want you to have a great day. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm just happy that you're okay. And through this, you know, crazy time that we're all in right now. And yeah,

From our mouths to God's ears, we're all going to be okay. Yeah, because we've got each other. We do. You're the best. We love you. Thanks, Molly. Bye. We love LA. LA is so beautiful. It's mind-blowing. From the walk-up windows and rooftop bars to the year-round, oh, I'll be there.

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Many healthcare providers aren't trained to treat or even recognize menopause symptoms. Middie clinicians are menopause experts. They're dedicated to providing safe, effective, FDA-approved solutions for dozens of hormonal symptoms, not just hot flashes. Most importantly, they're covered by insurance. 91% of Middie patients get relief from symptoms within just two months.

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