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Welcome to I Do Part Two, the podcast that's all about finding love the second time around. Here we are, Thelma and Louise, still single, still trying to do our best. And we are luckily in Pebble Beach at the Pro-Am with three amazingly hot, age-appropriate guys, also from The Bachelor. So welcome. We have Chalk, Gary, and Guy, and it's Thelma and Louise, and as much as we would love to

grill you all day long about The Bachelor. We are actually here to talk to the three of you about chapter two dating, post the TV show, what it was like pre, and just kind of get into the minds of you three amazing men. I'm going to make a slight correction. Not The Bachelor.

the golden oh sorry you just look so young yeah we are the golden bachelors golden bachelors from the golden bachelorette but because we're also in your age range we just look at you guys i'll i'll take that you're all right i think we'll receive that yeah thank you for sitting down yeah my dating life yeah let me slide closer to guy over here my dating life's been great after the

show. Five or six different dates. I've met all kinds of women. Where's Joan? Bring her in here. I'd be in a lot of trouble. But has your dating life changed post the show? Like what was the, I'd love to know the dating kind of pre the show. Pre the show. Um,

I dated differently. I dated locally in the Reno area, but then I decided to, like a lot of us at this age, I delved into the dating apps. Oh, so fun. It's the craziest thing. We have to tell them our dating app situation. We'll tell you a story later. Interestingly enough, I would actually say I met a lot of very, very nice, fun, intelligent women on the dating apps.

Oftentimes for me, though, I had to travel to be able to actually see them in person because they don't necessarily live in the Reno, Tahoe area. Can I ask a question real quick, though? Percentage-wise, how many of their pictures look like them?

That's my question too. I mean, it's reality. And then we'll give you our take. But I also want to know your age range too, because that's a whole thing we experience in LA is guys want to date way younger. Yeah. Or they put, you know, their age is, they put their age is 60. And then in their comments, they say, my age is actually 72. And I'm like,

It didn't make sense. There's a lot to unpack here. We have a lot to unpack. Let's jump to this because I told you I'll ask anything. Okay. So women do that all the time and they go, well, guys want younger women. So we'll start with you. Is it Thelma or Louise? Thelma? Louise? I'm Thelma. She can't quite remember. What's the youngest guy? Well, I'm not going to lie. Post-divorce, and my divorce was a bit unique, my recipe for kind of moving on was a little different. And so...

I got divorced at, how old was I? It was 2014 for both of us. And we're, so you were 41, 42. So I probably like, I mean,

but like, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was literally like two or three for six months. And then it was like, okay, we have nothing in common. They just gotten their first credit card. And like, we can relate to each other. I do think part of the journey in life too, is you need to do that to see if that's what you want. Oh, I didn't want it. I just needed to like heal. And that was like my process. And then, and then I was like, I'm ready for people that I can actually relate to. Yeah. All right. And you? Um,

So when I first got divorced, I was on a girl's trip to New York and my friends were like, we're going to do something different for you. And so they literally like whored me out there and they found some young hot guy and you basically sent him home with, I don't even know if there was Uber back then 10 years ago, 10 years ago. And it was literally one and done. And I was like, this is just not my jam. Like I prefer age appropriate. Definitely. A lot of my friends in LA date. Yeah.

younger guys and they have to pay for them. And they, it's all, I don't even, also this could be a misconception, but I feel like as a woman, I don't want to date somebody too young because I don't want to feel old. Yeah. And I, I think a misconception that I have is, um,

is do men want to date younger women because then it makes them feel kind of either young or it's a trophy and kind of status quo. Yeah, and so for me, dating someone younger, I would not go below 10 years below my age. I want someone that's... It's refreshing to hear. Especially in Los Angeles. Yeah, age appropriate for me because coming up through the ranks like we do, we...

Look, they are still finding their way. And I'm at a point in my life now where I don't want to help you find your way. I don't have time because...

It's just not worth it. And it's very expensive, as you can imagine, dating someone younger who's expecting an older guy to step in and be like the sugar daddy. Totally. So it's 10 years for me. I will go 55, but not below that. He's 65. Doesn't he look good? You all look amazing. He's got a golden ear. Okay, yeah, you. What about you, Guy? What's your age? Yeah, let's take kind of two criteria with that. And I would...

you know, be in the same lines as Gary here, somewhere around 10 years. Um, but you know, I,

I don't put an absolute age because, I mean, if they were 53 and, you know, there was a connection, I would go down. You want to date me? Is that what you're saying? But you're not going 35, in other words. No, no. You know, no. Right. You know, it would be flattering. But the reality is, as you alluded to, you just don't have many things in common. I always like to say that if I have to explain to them who Led Zeppelin is, we've got a problem. Right.

Well, and also, I mean, it's not pretty to talk about, but what about the health? I mean, let's be honest. And that's the other is that, you know, especially if somebody is younger and they actually would be interested in going out with you to say,

you know, I'm 66, you know, and let's say you're 46. Well, when you're my age, I'm going to be 86 years old. Do you really want that? It's not so cute anymore. Women age much better than men do. You three have aged really well. Thank you. You're like fine wines. I do have a story for you. That's comforting, you know. The date that Joan and I had at Disneyland, the first one-on-one date, the execs gave me a whole

And I came back and I said, guys, I'm going to start giving this stuff. No, we saw it on the show. What you didn't see here is I said, okay, I'm going to give this prize to which one of you bachelor guys, bachelorette guys has been with the youngest woman. And I will not tell you because it's Geico, but it would absolutely surprise the fans who'd been with the youngest woman.

Oh, you have to say now. No, Geico. I love Geico. Not this Geico. Oh, so you're the guy. Geico. You know, it's Geico. I hear you. Because you said guy, and I'm thinking. No, it was not Geico. That's not my brother over here. The fans, they can sit there and think about that, but it was somebody you would least expect. Oh, I love that. Do you guys remember who it was?

By the way, the whole frat aspect, can you imagine going back in time after living the lives you live and then literally going back into a frat house mentality? How much fun to do that for another kind of sliver? Well, ironically, we three were roommates. No. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, we were. No wonder you guys are sitting so cozily on that couch together. If it were any of us, we'd be the same way for the whole crew. We had a lot of late night conversations. It was great. Did you two do apps also? No. I did an app like...

20 30 years ago uh not 30 oh my god i'm really sure my age uh it was like around the early 2000s and um i had some pretty good luck with that because it was like the third time in that was someone that i ended up being with for like eight to ten years wow so it worked out in my favor but now i don't

That's that's not my my choice of. So do you find it easy to meet women in kind of real life? I mean, I assume after the show, it's probably also easier. Well, I mean, has your approach, I guess you had your kind of pre the show and then post show. Do you feel like your approach to dating is different as a result of the show and kind of what is that now?

These guys are getting a lot of action. Oh, for sure. I mean, the women are coming out of the woodwork. As Guy said earlier, it's very flattering. It's very flattering. But I've become more selective. I've become more confident in my own skin saying, I don't want, I don't need, I'm not looking. And so, you know, that's just not going to work. So you're discerning. Yeah, very much so. Very much so. How about you, Guy? Regarding what?

regarding afterwards you know what i'm saying yeah you know it has been interesting and phenomenal since you know after the show because you know i didn't realize it would i would be recognized as much as i am even you know if you go to vegas i'm just was kind of just blown away like how many people stopped me um didn't realize how popular the show was and how many people really tune in and they they really um

different guys, they resonated with their character, not the characters, but their personalities. But love is such a universal theme, right? So it just appeals to so many, everybody basically. It is. And so, yeah, I mean, people, I have been approached more than once, less than a thousand times, I don't know, somewhere around there. But it's, a lot of times, you have to be very careful, especially if they slide into your DM, because

They want their fame. Yeah, maybe they want just five minutes of fame or whatever it is like that. Okay, so what's the best story you've had thus far? He does have a good one. He's got at least one good one. Oh, come on. You've been on national television. You've got to tell us. Oh, yes. Yeah.

Yes, I did. I did meet somebody who, you know, just kind of reached out. And oftentimes you get these messages. And it's almost like fan mail. They just are there. And they're so supportive. I've not received one negative message from anyone. It's overwhelming, actually, the number of very positive comments. Are they writing from prison?

I don't know that. Oh, my God. But I can tell you, and I'll finish that up. Going back, yes, I have been catfished. Have you? Several times. Interesting. Yeah. Wow. So have you guys dated kind of anyone specific since the show? Like, have you formed a connection with anybody? Can I go back? One thing I do want to say about dating younger, I have a 25-year-old daughter, and she and I are very close.

And she goes, Dad, if you ever date anyone close to my age, I'm bringing a 65-year-old man home. So it's never even first. My kids have a strong opinion, too. They said to me, they came home from college, and they said, Mom,

we're getting very concerned about your options. I was like, what do you mean? They go, it just seems like it's like the 25 year old or, you know, the 80 year old. And I was like, wow, that sounds pretty grim. Do you have a, do you have a preference? They said the older guy. I said, okay, good to know. Yeah. That's awesome. But I think 10 years is good. I like your 10 years. That's kind of mine as well. I think 10 years, because I,

10 years can be physical, but it also like people can be really an old or a young, but I think using 10 years is kind of the range. Good benchmark. I just think if you're in love, just let it happen. Oh, and Jones actually says the guy it worked out for Jones, nine months older than I am. Nine months. That doesn't count. I mean, do you believe in instant connection or do you guys believe more in a slow burn in terms of the longevity or the health of a relationship?

Personally speaking, my relationships, the serious ones, had been really first impression. Really? Like a butterfly. But there's been a lot that you go, hey, I kind of like him, and it fizzled out. But with Joan, I can't speak for her, but it was pretty much instant.

And what about the concept of like when you feel a spark, it's almost like a warning signal or like a mirror of your childhood wound? That's you. I don't feel that way. Really? Yeah. Or you just have bad decisions. I mean, you know, you like a bad type of person. And I shouldn't say bad, but I've said this on other podcasts. My mother had this big thing going, if that significant other in your life,

person in your life doesn't make your life better, it's the wrong person. And it's pretty simple. They need to make your life better. Not that they're all about you, but your life is better because they're in your life. I'd agree with that. They also need to elevate you. We're really big on people that elevate us. The instant connection thing is really important because I think that there is an attraction that you have to have for them physically and you're feeling something emotionally. And the adrenaline that comes from that

you say, this is someone I want to spend some time with. To get to know. Yeah, and get to know. So from that perspective, I think it is important to have that initial attraction of, wow, I'm feeling something right now. It's like an energy. Yes, totally, totally. Yeah, for me, I would say that immediate. I would say that when I've had the really intense relationships, I know within days. ♪

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Okay, so how do you follow up? So you meet somebody, you have this instant connection in chemistry. And I guess it's kind of interesting talking to you right now because you guys are both being sought after by many, right? So it might not be, we haven't basically, I mean, leveled out, right? Not that you're ever going to level out. I'm sure it's just going to be like a skyrocket. You have the pick of the litter right now. But-

At your age and our age, when you meet somebody and you like them right away, do you come on strong? Do you play games? You know what I mean? Wait a customary three days before texting them? What's your approach? I think it's more natural where if I'm feeling the need to text or call,

And vice versa. So it's a two-way street. And if I'm getting that. That comes with our age, too. There's no game. Yeah, yeah. The games, as I mentioned earlier. Games are done. That's for the younger. Except nobody likes somebody who smothers you. I mean, let's just be honest, too. Right, totally. Some people do, though. Some people do. That's such a turnoff for me. I know. I've got people in my life that they're, my mother and her husband, they took a trip for 18 months. They were together every day. Oh, my gosh. It's amazing. And their lives were just built around each other. But I think that's the exception.

Where other people, like Joan and I, we kind of like those three or four days where we have to do our laundry, to not have that pressure. When you get older, it's just, hey, I can do the things I need to do. We talk about that a lot, like not needing the 24-7 kind of day-to-day. But I think it's also different because if you have been single for a while or divorced or on your own, you get used to your autonomy and your independence. And then you want somebody, but it's like how do you incorporate a significant other into your life?

And I always have the question for people like, do you see it as a traditional relationship? Do you want to be with somebody, live under the same roof, be with each other all the time versus distance, versus a companion that you kind of have your cake and eat it too? And I don't mean that in any salacious way. I just mean, what do you think on that? I think that's why you date and you spend time with people. It goes back to the smothering. Some people want contact all the time.

Other people don't. And you spend that time with them. You go, this is what I'm comfortable with. This is what I like in my life. And you can love somebody, but it's the little things that can push you apart. Yeah, totally. You know, and as Chuck mentioned earlier about his mom and her husband, that 18-month thing, I think it's generationally that age group was more connected to

Our age group is more, I need a couple days every so often to- Recalibrate. To recalibrate. The younger group is like- We're going to text from a different building. I'm learning the game, so I'm going to play the game. I'm not going to reach out for three days. I can't call them within a certain period of time. So I think generationally it makes a difference at our age, right? That's a good point. Totally. Yeah.

I just think also at our age, like in terms of the spirit of no games, like what happens when you go out with somebody or on a date and you just, to your point, you don't feel it right away. How do you kind of directly say like, I didn't feel a love connection or, I mean, you're not going to, we're not going to ghost somebody at our age, right? Check please. I'll let you, I'll go last. I'll go last. Um,

you know, if I meet somebody and I'm not, you know, feeling the connection right away, I don't prolong it at all. I think it's a disservice to the other person to, you know, if they're developing emotional attachment to you and you're not to them. So I usually just say, you know, gosh, and most of the time they're really nice, you know, wonderful people, but you're just not feeling it. So I just, you know, politely say, you know, I'm,

just exactly that. So you do it face to face. I mean, that takes guts. At this point. Not after one or two dates though. No, but I mean at the table. Oh, I'm saying you do it to their... One or two dates. And to their face. Well, at least on a telephone conversation if not in their face. I meant like, is it at the restaurant where you're like, you know. Oh, no, no, no, no. Because you want to like, you know, kind of assimilate everything, you know, think about it. But

oftentimes I know within 15 minutes. And you can kind of read the room. I mean, I've been on dates where I can tell maybe they're not into me or I'm not in. I mean, we all can kind of pick up on the cues now, right? Yeah. I think it's a lot of respect for the other person too, though, because I don't think you have a right to sit there and go, I don't like you because of this. Right. And it's, you know, sometimes you can ghost them. Sometimes, you know, and if you get ghosted, there's no interest.

But I think treat people the way you want to be treated. I mean, I know it's a simple rule. But then I think it comes back to what obligation do you have? You go out with somebody for a date or two. Are you obligated to say, I don't really like you? Okay, but see, here's my problem. We kind of differ on this. We both believe that chivalry is not dead. So we love like a true gentleman. Open your door. I mean, we don't have to go overboard. But we really like that. But...

I feel a little uncomfortable because of course I'm flattered and appreciate when people buy me dinner, but then I kind of feel this obligation sometimes where I'm like, Oh, like I can't leave the table even if I'm not interested because he just bought me dinner and that's rude. And you know, I mean, I don't know. It's just, it gets complicated. That's just Davey. I have a question for you too. So let's go talk about paying for dinner. What are your opinions on who should pay for dinner?

There's some hesitation here. No, there's not. I mean, look, for me, it's like I'm raising two boys. And this is something we talk about. We believe in chivalry. We're in our 50s. I like when a man in the beginning has paid for my dinner. I'm happy to treat and do things and do special things. But I don't...

I don't know. I believe in chivalry still. Yeah. I'm with you 100%. And I'm raising my boys that way. And I couldn't agree more. Yeah, totally. I would not. There's no way I would for the first date.

I would not pay for it. I also think if you, so here's the thing, if somebody asks me, if a man asks me out to dinner, you have invited me to dinner. That's right. So I would expect you to pay. But I will tell you, I wouldn't expect, I would be appreciative if you paid and I would always, when the check came for me, first dinner, would always say, oh, that's so nice. Are you sure? And I definitely like, I would reach to check this. That's cool. Thank you. So that it's not a foregone conclusion. Yeah, that's awesome. And I mean, but I will tell you, if he did,

take it and split it, it would just be a note to me like, okay, again, if we dated subsequent times or if I said, hey, I'd like to take you, do you know what I mean, for a hike and lunch or whatever, I feel like I invited him and I would pay. So it's, at the beginning especially, I like when somebody kind of treats me. And I want to speak for these three guys. Even if you offer to pay, we're going to pay. Right. But after a number of dates, it's kind of nice when a lady goes, hey, I'll pick up lunch. Right. Or I'll get the valet. I like that.

Or show up with like a candle or something like that. Like I went away, I was dating somebody and we went away for the weekend and I showed up with like, I don't know, like a cute Viore hoodie. And he was like so knocked out by it. He's like, wow. And I was like, you're so generous with me. So there's different ways to show appreciation. But that thank you. Okay, I like that. Do some people not say thank you? When they don't say thank you, I remember that. And then you go back to where they raise that way or they just don't like it.

don't like you or anything. But you psychoanalyze everything on the date. Yeah, totally. Your mind is just too... Okay, tell us what you guys... Tell us what you like... That's a good point. What's a good date? What are we doing wrong? Yeah, what do you like women to do? Okay, I'm on a roll here, but I gotta ask a question.

They're pivoting back to us. Bezos' fiancé's dress at the inauguration. I want a woman to look good. Joan always looks good. So sophisticated. She's beautiful. Amazing. And I don't want to say Lauren Sanchez, but to me that was inappropriate. Yeah, for that occasion. So on a first date, if somebody dresses a little inappropriate, I'm out. Okay, so you're more sophisticated, not sexy.

I mean, I don't mean classic. But understate it. Classic. Classic. Yeah, for me also. Because when they look trampy, I'm out. By the way, you're not allowed to use the word classy. My mom said, you have to say a class act. You're not allowed. If you use the word classy, it's not classy. And the reason why I don't let these guys talk to you is because I was trained that a first date, a first interview, you're probably going to get the best out of the person.

And if they're looking trappy or something like that, it's probably going to go downhill. We can argue that. But that's because when you have a date with a guy, if you have interest, you're putting your A game on. Okay. Okay. We talk about outfits. So what I hear what you're saying, but outfits like, do you like, do you like, well, we have a date uniform. Do you like women to show up a little more dressy, casual? Like what? Like, well,

- I think. - We have x-ray vision. You don't have to put it out there. We can hit it nanosecond. We can tell what you look like naked. - But an absolute-- - Wait, do you know that I had a guy show up and I said, "How do you decide between lunch and dinner?" And he says, "If I'm a little unsure about the pictures, "I like lunch 'cause it's during the day "so I can really see her body "when she's walking towards the table." And I was like, "Right." - But a cocktail will make her more attractive. He's had a few cocktails probably. - Oh my gosh, interesting.

I like the words you use, class act. It depends where we're going. If we're going to go to the beach, to a restaurant, or if we're going to go in town, depending on the setting, which makes a big difference. Read the room. But read the room, know the lay of the land, and just be class act about how you're representing yourself. Because it's saying something about you as a person, right?

I'm already casting judgment and passing, you know, my opinions internally. Like, is this going to work? Is this someone that I could take to... Bring home to your kids. Yeah, is this someone I can take to the baseball game? Or is this someone I can bring home to the kids? Or if there's a family event, or if we're going to a picnic, how is...

Is this person going to be in a miniskirt with, you know, with the... Hooker heels. Yeah. So, yeah, it just depends. It just depends. Thoughts? Same thing. And, yeah, I'd like them to dress appropriately for the occasion. Yeah. And I'd like them to look very stylish. I want them to look attractive. You know, I want... I don't have any trouble if, you know, they turn...

people's heads when they walk absolutely not because of something over that you don't want a wallflower absolutely something to something you know like i had a date recently and a woman come up and said you are the luckiest guy in this in this restaurant right now because of the person i was with yeah and you know i mean made me feel really really good like i am i am lucky do you like when women approach you

I mean, do you like women that are more shy and reserved and you make the first move? Or how do you feel when a woman makes the first move? It's an interesting point you make because these days and at this time, it's a lot different. They're coming at you more? Yes, it's amazing. But one thing I was going to say that I'm going to piggyback on what Guy said is I love a woman who walks in the room and the furniture leans her way. Or the heads. Turn. And everyone is like...

And I get to sit there and say, she's with me. This is it.

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We really did get along. Yeah. There was a little bit of just kind of a different personality, different issues, but no fights, no catfighting, anything like that. And it was really great. We called it free group therapy.

Just sit around. I felt that way. Because, you know, we've all had some shit happen in our lives. Yeah, totally. And we'd sit down just as guys and go, man, this happened to me. And another guy, it wasn't one-upping you. It was just, I've been through this. It was fantastic. And with all due respect, we gave each guy the opportunity to finish their story because it was, for me, it was more of a spiritual journey.

And being comfortable in my own skin, but allowing these guys to get out their stories that we don't usually or often get to talk about what we have buried to allow us to be the men that we are today. So it was really twofold. Like a lot of the show was the actual living in the house and creating these relationships and doing that. And then the other part of it was dating Joan, finding love and doing that part as well.

Absolutely. Equally important. And that's interesting because I watched the show first. I said, as great as your love story was, and it was amazing and still is, the takeaway for me was watching the camaraderie between all of you. It was touching. And to watch guys really let down their barriers and share things and their insecurities and their

again, their emotional baggage or, you know, talking about families and everything. It was, I mean, I'm getting chills as I say it, but I said to Nikki, I said, that was the takeaway for me. And when people were crying, when they were leaving the show, it wasn't, I mean, they loved Joan and it connected with Joan, but they were equally as sad to leave each other. I mean, you guys were sad when that thing came to an end. Yeah. I referred to it as a retreat for sexagenarian men. And,

You know, it was very interesting. And I'm sure these guys will, you know, attest to this is that you think, you know, you're sitting around the pool or, you know, around the mansion that we would be talking about, you know, football, baseball, those kind of things.

we talked about our lives. We talked about our past history. We talked about things we've gone through and we've shared, we shared with that over and over again. And it was, you know, you would do that on a one-on-one basis. You know, you do it with one on, you know, two other people and you just be having these incredible conversations. Vulnerable moments. Yeah. And it allowed me to, you know, and that, and I journaled the whole thing and, you know, for that whole time. And it was, and then I go back and look at that. And it was pretty intense. Um,

I felt safe telling my story. I felt safe sharing my story with these guys. - Have you guys kept in touch? - So I was able to be vulnerable. - Like friendships have kind of-- - Oh, absolutely. Guy and I talk a lot. I said Guy Code, but it's really grown up code.

Because we talked about stuff and they didn't show, you know, some of it was picked up on the cameras, but we talked about life changing stuff. Yes. From death to bad marriages. Yes. We did things right. We did things wrong. I've yet to see one guy betray the other one. Yeah.

There's a lot of men's group in LA where we live. You know, I have a lot of friends who do it and it's kind of like a safe space. It's similar to almost what you guys experienced by living in the house. To the fact that you were all kind of caged animals and had a lot of time together or do you, you know, like, how did it, how did it evolve? I go back to casting and luck because I do think there was part of it going, is this person so good?

And part of it will this journey be good for them as well. But again, not one guy's betrayed another guy. And I think it's phenomenal because all the producers go, you wouldn't believe these young kids that can't fight and everything. And unlike the younger. We mature. It's just different. And under like the, unlike the younger version of the show, you know, the, the,

the regular the 20 year old bachelors where it's competitive and cat fights and this yeah i mean you all were rooting for each other when you were going on the dates i mean probably the end i'd like to just slightly correct we weren't caged we were together like a fraternity so there was this amazing journey initially of

getting through the process. And it became a point of, I'm going to prove that my record is so clean that I'm able to go and do this. And then there was the night, the first night of the rose ceremony. And that was the initiation. And once that happened, we were, uh,

Like a fraternity. Bonded. We were bonded. Totally. Would you agree with that? Yes. The thing that I really liked, and there was a lot of fans going, you've got these mature guys and you're putting them in bunk beds and all that. It was fantastic. Yeah.

And there wasn't really one, it was a change for one person, but there wasn't really anybody that complained about it. Pascal. I didn't say that. I watched it. I'm saying it. He can speak for himself, but you look at the relationships. Yeah, totally. You know, at night we're sitting there talking, in the morning you would talk. I loved actually being in that room with the five of us. Yes. Okay, exactly.

Like some of the real emotions that come up as you're all vying for Joan, like how did that also kind of come into play? I would say no, there was no, there was not so refreshing to hear. That was not an issue. Yeah. I don't know how, how it was, you know, when the women, you know, kind of behind closed doors, but we didn't really, we didn't really, at least I didn't talk about Joan with other guys very much. We, we all had to, I saw her, she was surprised per se, you know, but,

We just kind of talked about the experience. And they supported each other in whatever was happening. So Chuck's going on his one-on-one to Disneyland. Everybody was so happy for him. And when he got back, how'd he go? What did you guys do? What did you talk about? Oh, my God. And so it was like that. He had two moments of jealousy. And I think I should talk about this because I was the final guy. So the big reward one-on-one date was the helicopter ride.

Yes. And we all knew it was going to happen. We just didn't know who. And so the guys, and it was Keith on this, and so the producers go, you guys go get out in the pool. We knew something was up. Then we're out there for about 15 minutes, and they go, what is that up in the air? And the helicopter buzzed us twice. And we're sitting there going, I wanted that day because we knew it was so cool. I remember you saying that. I need to be up there. And then Mark, when he got the date with Joan,

Because last year they took a helicopter to this big yacht and landed on it. Oh, yeah, that's right. And so it said, like, bring your fishing pole or something. So we knew it was offshore. And Bart comes back to the date. He is just gleaming. Beaming, yeah. I mean, he is. And I go...

I go, well, tell me about the boat. He goes, I wasn't on a boat. And we're all like this. He goes, I was on a yacht. And I'm like, oh, man. I wish that was me. So I did have two little moments. I don't think Kelsey would envy me. Because the dates were cool. It's not like he got a one-up. It's like, man, that would have been fun. But Disneyland worked out real well for Jonah and I. It gave us a lot of time together. This is it.

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Did you learn any dating tips from the show, like from each other as you watched guys and kind of their approach? Yeah. And kind of be like, Oh, that works. For me, it wasn't, it wasn't like that. It was just be you. Um, I can benefit from what you did or what you said or something like that, but it was more of a,

Just enjoy this moment that I have. Not necessarily I'm going to copy and do what Guy did. If there's not a woman that hadn't fallen in love with this guy, because his, I say soulfulness, but your caring. He was, I'll tell you, he was the most caring guy on the show. Absolutely. When somebody was asked to leave, something like this, the consoling, he helped me in a situation that I had. This was the best guy on the show. Aw.

You do have a warmth that kind of emanates off of you. And it's the best dress you've ever seen. You're all well dressed. We said that last night. Guy was such a good friend.

And Kim Cotsen, for his personality, caught a little bit of heat. But Guy was there friending Kim. And he was the one that stood up and sang the song. Yes, yes, yes. And I give him kudos. And then when you talk to Charles L. about his wife dying. Oh, that was amazing, that moment. I don't think you'd see that on the young shows. I mean, Guy, that was amazing. And it was heartfelt.

You saw the change in Charles. Like he needed to hear that. Yeah. I will say that, you know, when I was having the conversation with him, I didn't realize the impact I was having at the time because I've had that conversation with patients for a thousand times, right. As working 35 years in the ER, when I watched it after on the show, I was going, okay, no matter what happens, the rest of the show, whether I get another rose or anything, I'm

- You made an impact on him. - You altered his life. - I mean, the opportunity to be able to impact somebody's life like that is just-- - You have a great bedside manner. I bet you were a very, the way you dealt with patients, I'm sure, was really special. - One of the things I will say is that, 'cause you're talking about other people's playbook, the way I looked at it, and I think everybody else probably had the same sentiment, I didn't think of it as being a competition.

When I was there, what I was trying to find out was, was Joan my person and am I Joan's person? And could we see having an extended relationship? It wasn't like, well, I need to be X, Y, and Z. Because it wasn't a competition. It was like, can we develop this connection? I think that's so important with dating now is I think I used to spend a lot of time

I don't want to say like trying to sign the guy because I, you know, just wanted to make sure then that I had the choice. And now I sit on a date and as much as I, I worry less if they're feeling a connection to me, it's more about, am I feeling a connection to them? And that matters almost just as much because the rejection piece was super tough for me back in the day. What about you guys? Rejection. Can I, real quick, I need to go back and say something. I did have one other moment of envy and I want your whole listening audience to have this.

I came in the show and I was working out hard and I'd lost some weight. I was in pretty good shape. Uh,

And there were some other guys that were in good shape. But I thought I was in real good shape until a guy took his shirt off. And then I was like, I'm out. I'm out. I can't compete with that. I mean, the guy was just ripped. Oh, my gosh. So I did have to say that. Thank you. Thank you. I know. So did you guys kind of get ready for the show? Like, made sure you were bringing your best version of yourself? Yeah. But then something happens once you get there. And they've got all your wonderful food. Do you cook the food?

I know we're not supposed to ask bachelor questions, but you did. We took their own meals. Yeah, yeah. There was no chef and catering. Well, there was catering when we had our parties and stuff like that, but there was no, you know, it was really humbling with what we had to go through. And it made us more grounded, I think, and helped us to realize what's really important here are us being

and not anything else outside of here. And again, Jackie's role with putting together these men that was just so amazing and the relationships that we now have with us for the rest of our lives and staying in touch with each other.

I can't tell you how happy him and I were over the past week. We're going to Pebble Beach. We were like kids to be able to see each other again. So it's been fun. I'd say at the mansion, it was family. It was like being in a family because we had some men who were really good at cooking. Like, I don't cook. Joan can attest to that. We know that. Guys, guys. I don't cook either. However,

That reminds me of a zesting story. I know. I enjoy this. I'm all about zesting now, trust me. But I really couldn't do that well, but I knew how to wash and dry dishes and put them away. Yeah. And I said, that's my role. Everybody has a role. Yeah, it was teamwork. It really was. It was teamwork. You cook, I'll clean the mess up. I'm good with that. So it was...

And some guys enjoy cooking, like Mark Anderson. He really enjoyed putting together these meals without hesitation. And that was great. I got to tell you, I was fortunate to meet Mark Anderson. Yeah. He's a quality guy. He's a quality guy. He's the guy, if you had a sister, you'd want him.

Him to date her. He was just solid. Great dad. He was really solid during the whole thing. Just amazing. When Joan came and said, you're not going to move on to the next thing, we were saying goodbye to him and he whispers in my ear, he goes, invite me to the wedding. Oh. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, my God. And she was brokenhearted to let him go just because she knew what a just great, solid guy he was. Even though there wasn't a connection. I know better than anyone else other than Joan just the struggle she had letting people go. And with Guy, you know, when she told me about that, she goes, I didn't want to take him to that next level because of you. She handled everything. And she goes, you know, and I didn't even know about it until afterwards. Yeah.

And she goes, well, and what the story was, and I told Guy this the other day, because we didn't talk about this, is they kind of pit the two people, the two contestants at the end against each other. And she goes, I was not going to do that to Guy. And what they do is you profess your love, you write him a love note and all this stuff. And she goes, it just wasn't fair to Guy. She was super elegant in the way she handled every situation. She was a class act. She was so honorable. There you go. She's a class act. Yeah.

She really is. Not class, but classy. No, you just can't say classy. My mom says you just can't say classy. Okay, classy. Okay. You just can't say classy. Can't say classy. So do you know what? So one of the things that she and I do, and I wonder, because I think a bunch of you are single still, and you all obviously keep in touch with each other. So a lot of times when we'll go on a date and maybe it's not a fit or vice versa is we will gently recycle things.

Reuse, recycle. So we say one woman's trash is another woman's treasure. But we need to change that because we did say that once. We can't say one woman's trash is another. It's like...

Cause trash. Well, just what is it? Whatever. He's not trash. It's just, it didn't, wasn't a fit. Yeah. Good. Good. It didn't align. So has that happened because you all know each other so well, like perhaps have you gone out with a woman that perhaps wasn't for you, but you think guy would be a great fit. And have you done that? No, no. So we do that. So I'm actually going out. I'm actually going out with somebody that I went out with. And then she gave to her sister and the sister, uh,

didn't connect with him. And now I'm going out with him next week. But I think that's a compliment. I think that's a compliment to him. I mean, she thinks he's a good enough guy. It's a compliment to him. He's not me. He's okay. Why don't you? Well, darling, he's not. And so, I mean, what a great,

But by the way, wouldn't you be flattered if you were a guy and somebody said, you know, it wasn't a fit, but I think enough of you that I think you should go out with one of my friends. I have a success story in my life. I grew up with a lady. She's a client. She's a friend of mine. We climbed Kilimanjaro together. Wow. You won it. Isn't that on your bucket list? I saw that. It was in September, but I tore the cartilage in my knee during the show and I needed to have surgery, so it was off. I'm sorry. But I have it for next year.

So she lived in Austin and she, on a dating app, went out and met somebody. And the guy goes, you know, and you say not for me, but he goes, I've got a guy that you should meet. And it was his best friend. They've been married for like 12 years. Oh, wow. And I mean, just the greatest couple. You just never know. But what a compliment is going. I do it all the time. Yeah. Because we all want something different in our lives.

It's also that energy's there. You might be the most fabulous guy, and we might sit across the table and not feel an energy. And all of a sudden, you sit there with her, and you're like, my God, this is my person. Well, some people like smart people. Some people like tall people. Some people like A-type personalities. It's just so different out there. And what we're looking for in our 20s is different than our 30s, is different than our 40s. Like, what are you guys looking for now in your 60s? I say the C word, compatibility. Mm-hmm.

You've got to be compatible. I hope that's the C word you're using right now. I've said that before. What's he going to say? There's a lot of C words. There's a lot of C words. I'm glad you clarified that. We're all still sexual at this age. You've got to be turned on by the person. But the compatibility, because you've been in a bad relationship. You've been in a bad relationship. There is almost nothing worse.

There's death and all that, but being in a bad relationship where you don't want to be there. We have to be best friends. I don't feel like I've had many bad relationships. Why'd you get divorced? Oy. Oy.

That's a whole other podcast. That's a whole other podcast. That's a whole other podcast. I'm going to jump off of your first C because they had asked me early on, what are you looking for in the relationship? And I actually came up with the five Cs, which I expanded to eight. And it was communication. It was compatibility. It was commitment. It was caring. It was compromise. But I also threw in comedic. I love comedic.

I love the laugh. I love to laugh. You gotta be able to laugh and laugh at yourself. Oh my God. That's non-negotiable, I think. Yeah, yeah. And chemistry. You need to add nine. No, that was number seven. And then number eight, my brother Gary, Christ. Got it. Nice. It's a lot. C really works for a lot of important words in a relationship. So what advice can you give to women in terms of good spots? I mean, this sounds so trite after the conversation we've had, but...

good spots that maybe they can meet men or best ways to approach men or position themselves online? And I know that's a broad question, but just like whatever speaks to you. Can I go first? Absolutely. Yeah. Because I just did this on a podcast is when you're on an elevator, say hi to someone.

When you're in the grocery store, just say hi to someone. You just never know what they're going to say. They could be in the same position where they're looking for someone. And the hi is not, you're not being aggressive or anything else. But then there's a lot of guys on the show that have met people. The ladies have DM them and they've reached out to me. I think it's a compliment for a guy to get somebody that a lady reaches out and don't be shy.

And live your life. But there's just people. My grandmother, after my granddad died, she never dated anyone. So to each their own. But if you want to date someone, you've got to open up. And you have to be ready. That's the other thing is don't waste their time if you're not ready. It also doesn't drop out of the sky. Like you have to put effort into meeting somebody. Well, and if you want somebody in shape, go to the gym.

Do you want religion? You can go to church. A lot of churches have single deals. You know, what's important to you or do a little bit of all of it, you never know. But I think the best thing is to go to your friends and go, hey, I'm ready to date. If you know anybody, your friends, that referral system is incredible. Well, you have to tell you what we're doing just quickly. Okay. So I really wanted her to start dating again. And I said, it's time to go on an app. And she was just like, I'm not feeling it. So I said, fine. So I am her Cyrano de Bergerac.

I am doing all of her online dating. It is my pictures. I have control of her pictures. I wrote everything. I'm doing all of it. And then I call her and be like, just gave somebody your number. But the problem is that sometimes I answer questions like as if it's me. So then she hates coffee. I love coffee. And, you know, I'll say like, oh, what's your coffee? So they invite me to coffee. So she has to go to coffee. But it's been really fun. So you're ordering tea instead of coffee.

Oh my. But it's been fun. Yeah, it's interesting. And the nice thing is, it's actually been kind of freeing because you're not attached to the result. I'm not attached. It's nice because I'm not wondering, oh, is he going to call? Is he not going to call? Because I haven't even engaged with him. Well, let's be semi-intellectual. Interesting. What do you want? Yeah. Ooh, way to turn it back on us, Chuck. I want something a little unconventional. But in terms of personality and person,

I want somebody that I admire and look up to and makes me a better person and challenges me to get outside of my comfort zone and become just a more evolved, interesting, and smart person. But I want somebody that's funny, intelligent, confident, and also has their own life and interests. And that ties back into the unconventional. Yeah. I mean, not that I want...

I want to do things together, but I am somewhat independent and I have a full life. And that's not to say that I don't want to integrate lives with somebody, but I really have a family that I'm close to, an extended family and friends, and I would love to integrate that with somebody. But I'm okay if somebody has a lot of their own history as well and like family

holidays are important to them and it's really important that they are in Massachusetts do you know what I mean with their extended family or their grandkids or whatever or they have a widow you know they're widowers and they need to be somewhere I'm okay if we don't do everything all the time together and we have certain traditions that we maintain separately she went divorced for a while

Oh, what is that? She's used to being on her own. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That you're okay with it. Yeah, I am. And I think that I have to work on maybe being a little more needy. Truly, I do. I don't, I mean, needy is an unattractive word, but I think that I, I give off the air that I don't need somebody. I think she's comfortable being on her own. I can tell that. I think that, I think that that might be off-putting and it's like, I say I want to date, but if I'm not making somebody feel comfortable,

like they're adding they're adding so i have to work on that i think like us men i i think we we want to be how do i say this we'll just say it i think we want to feel like we are still the man we want to still feel like we're adding value in that way and it's kind of tricky because times have changed such that there is such independence and women who have such great success

And incorporating the two together is very, very important. You're still able to do that. They're still able to do what they want to do and go and grow. And so it's a melting pot, right? It's a combination of the two and making that work and having respect for what you do and loving you for what you do.

And getting behind you with what you do. Giving you the space to still do it. And giving you the space to still do that, but still feeling like, but she still wants to be with me. She still needs some of the things that I bring to the table. And I'm additive to her life. As opposed to just total independence. And it wouldn't feel the same. Yeah.

And that's, I would say that you want somebody who enhances your life and you enhance their life. Yeah. There's a piece that's important for me, which I didn't have in my marriage, which is I need the person to be like my park bench. The person who I can sit next to, just look at the birds, either laughing hysterically or totally comfortable in silence. Somebody who's really my best friend. And if it's not 100% additive, like she was saying, I'm going to be like,

I don't need to be with somebody. I want to be with the right person because I'm okay on my own, right? And so I'm really looking. My kind of catchphrase is my park bench. Yeah, that's well said. That's good. And we are strong. So I think I want somebody who is strong in their own ways that...

I can maybe not come across as strong. So why haven't you found that person? I like strong women. Do we come across very strong to you? No, not strong in the sense of overpowering. Not overpowering. No, I think this is a wonderful thing. It's very attractive to me.

to find someone with that kind of drive because it will help me. I feel like we're headed somewhere. That's twice already. Three times the charm and we're going to keep it going. But I think it's attractive to have a strong woman. Right? I mean, I don't want somebody who's just this little... Dormant. Yeah, dormant and following me. It's like, where's your life? The military does this. They do a summary after every mission.

What went right? What went wrong? Have you done that? Chuck, I feel like we need to have a therapy session after this. I really do. Like we're, we're here all weekend. I might have an hour session with you. If Joan, if Joan will let you give me some counsel. You have to look at it and go, if I do want someone, but it's, it's luck and it's time and it's just, but, but you know what, why hasn't it worked?

And I just got lucky because you could say the same thing to me and I go, I couldn't put this thing together if I had to. My daughter signed me up for the show. I don't think it was luck. She did. My daughter did the application. You asked this question earlier as if she were me.

It's like what I do. I'm doing her online dating. But I think nothing is random. I think people come into our life, whether it's a lesson or a blessing, something to learn, right? So in terms of taking stock of each relationship and what you learn and what you're going to take with you, what was the good, what was the bad, it all kind of builds up to hopefully what becomes your final destination. And you learn the non-negotiables. Oh, for sure. Which are? I'm big on that. Which are?

That's a whole nother thing. Podcast number two. Yeah, that's a whole nother podcast. But we all have them. Yeah. As we should. So we kind of for the last few minutes, we came up with this idea of doing, well, actually Andy Cohen did a Bravo, but we want to do our own game of rapid fire, which is like basically this or that. And we're going to just each of you, you know, kind of throw out a scenario and, you know, you just respond with what the answer is. Okay. Okay. You want me to start? Yep. Street smart or book smart?

Night out on the town or quiet night in? Quiet night in. If a woman drinks a bit too much on a first date, endearing or a turnoff? Run. Turnoff. Implants or au naturel? Ooh, I like them big. Gary? Both. Anything. Guy? Both. Phone call or FaceTime? FaceTime.

I don't do FaceTime. I hate FaceTime. Phone call. Phone call. You're young and hurt. Phone call. No. A phone call to begin with, but you need to move to a face... At least I've just learned this. I need to have like... I actually have FaceTime dates. I'll say, let's just get a glass of wine and sit across from each other. But a guy could wake up after 10 hours of sleep and he's going to look pretty. He needs... It's just that's how he is. And I think really quick, the FaceTime thing really takes away from...

The touching, the feeling, that very intimate moment you need to have with someone. It just ruins that. Just being able to reach out and see your expressions in person. No, in person. This time is good. Don't get me wrong. Okay, this was a rapid fire, people. This was a rapid fire. Does it matter if the person cooks or doesn't cook? I like someone who cooks. I like cooking. Okay, final one. Sending a nude or sending a funny meme? Funny meme. No nudes.

meme not at all you want them big but no nudes no nudes funny meme okay guys you have been amazing wait do you have a rapid fire one for each of us I don't want to she doesn't want to do this we'll let Chuck kick that one Chuck you got it kick it back ass or shoulders shoulders shoulders

Blonde or brunette? Brunette. Brunette. Brunette. Gary? No comment. That was fun. We have two other cuties. So much fun. Thank you for doing this with us. You're very welcome. Can I just say one thing? Just, you know, with these guys, and we had this connection with all the guys on the show, but I do have to say that, you know, we three were roommates along with two other guys, Charles and Michael, and

I have to compliment Chuck because he's been so gracious to everybody. He's very articulate. He speaks really well. He is a good therapist.

And I was on the receiving end of some of those therapy sessions and hopefully vice versa. So I want to thank you for the experience, Chuck. It was absolutely tremendous. And Gary knows how I feel about it. We met the very first night before we went out. And we've been brothers from another mother since that time. Ever since. I love it.

So in conclusion, hopefully we gave our listeners a real kind of bird's eye view into the minds of these amazing men, golden bachelors for all things dating in our age as we all look for our chapter two. Thank you so much, guys.

Thanks for having us. Thank you. Thank you. So if you're having a hard time getting back into the dating scene or ready to get back out there but don't know where to start, definitely reach out to us. You can call, you can email, follow us on socials. All the information will be in the show notes and make sure to rate and review this podcast. I do part two, an iHeartRadio podcast where falling in love is the main objective.

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