“Challengaz ;)” w/ (Matt & Bowen)
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- Look, Matt. - Where? Oh, I see. - Wow. - Oh my. Bowen, look over there. - Wow, is that? - Culture, yes. - Goodness. - Oh, yeah. - Las Culturistas. - Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. - Excuse my chewing friend. I'm just over here, you know, masticating on my trail mix.

And we're very happy to have you guys masticate us in this bonus episode. Just a little early, I guess, a little bonus episode. There was pressing matters that we needed to get into the studio to address. One being we just recorded the categories for the Lost Culture, Useless Culture Awards this year, and those will be revealed on Monday.

May 3rd. May 3rd. This Friday. Friday, May 3rd. And publicist season, I guess, has truly begun. May is publicist season. The weather's nice. You want to go out there, hit the streets. Knock on doors. Knock on doors. You know, wave your flags.

Babe, get your freak flag out, flag it, because it's publicist season. It's actually rule of culture number nine. Get your freak flag out, flag it. It's publicist season. We are, you're never going to believe it, but giggling and titling away, we think we've really done something this year with some of these categories. I mean, I'm thinking of one right now and just thinking of the possibilities. The influx of categories.

campaigning that's going to happen for so many. But we can't say too much. We can't say too much. It's almost too exciting. I would agree. I think it's really, really thrilling that Lost Cult is... I don't know. Like, we're out there. We're out there. Lost Cult is officially out there. Okay, so listen. The true truth. The true true, as was said in the movie Cloud Atlas. Did you ever see the movie Cloud Atlas? Never did. I think you would actually like it in a way where you'd be sort of like...

throwing her hands up and knee slapping. Did you guys know that Bowen Yang is a knee slapper? He's a table hitter and a knee slapper. And I really... I don't mind knee slapping. There is something really annoying and I really dislike this about myself that I'm a table slapper. Because if you're at a table with other people, it does... First of all, it makes so much noise to a distracting extent. Second of all, like, it's so... It's...

it feels like such a performance, but I really do slap the table because I... You do. You're enjoying. I can see it. My body is like, oh, like, how do I get this out of my system? Your body experiences so much joy. It has to come out. And I think what people also don't know about you is Bo and Yang's erogenous zones are on his palms. No. So if you ever want to get him off, just shake his hand. Just be like, hi, I'm Susan, and shake his hand. I'm telling you, you're going to see.

Not that open, not that like, oh, that, oh God, you ever catch yourself going like that during S-E-X? Oh, I never want to see my O-face.

I hope no one ever takes a picture or films me. You know what I just realized? The O face, I always thought meant orgasm face. But literally they mean the fact that your mouth makes the shape of an O. I think it still stands for orgasm. Do you think it's multi-purpose? Do you think it's a thing of like O faces? Like, oh, like my face is making the O face. By the way, we were doing each other in the eyes. And doing the O face. Oh, sorry.

It's too intimate for us to share. Or orgasm face. I think it's very apropos of the subject matter that we're going to be talking about. 100% I was thinking the same thing. Two friends who are a little, have the walls of intimacy knocked down. It's crazy. You guys, this was the other pressing matter. So I feel that, you know, we've been so good about the culture and the catching up. Like it's always been the two of us for the past like several months, I feel like.

But sometimes it can feel like the culture is a little dry. And for the next few weeks, we're going to have guests, so it's not going to be culture catch-up. But we saw the movie Challengers, and I was like, no. We have to convene. To the studio with us. We have to convene. This was maybe my favorite movie. My favorite movie ever. I've seen it twice. I went on Thursday and Friday. I went again immediately. We saw it together on Friday. Can you describe what happened at the end, like with the audience? Just...

screams, please, you have to go see this in a theater. Yeah. You really do. And you know what? Like, it was a chatty crowd, especially behind us. There was some chatter going on. And like, all we did, this person, I think, literally dined out on us, like turning around and respectfully telling them just once, an hour and a half into the movie to just, hey, all I said was, you can stop.

That's what I said. I said three words. You did. You were very good about it. And then I think that she was a little lit up from having been that person that was told to be quiet. But honestly, I think that's what she was going for. That's what I'm saying. I don't want to give too much air time to this person. No. She literally went out to Animal after the movie and our friend Colin Tuxedo said,

This girl I'm talking to is bragging to everybody how you guys yelled at her. And I'm like, yeah, because her personality fucking sucks. Confirmed. I mean, whatever. She was one of the many small characters that popped during the experience of watching Challengers. The ones I cared about were on screen. Even she could not get in the way of my experience of loving this movie. No. And I think that, like, it's been a while where the entire audience exploded in cheers at the end of a movie off by

By the way, a polarizing ending and an ending that makes a huge choice is all I'm saying. I was reading some of like the headlines going into the movie, like the ending, the ending, the ending, like all these explainers. I'm like, is this going to be a confusing, confounding ending? And I really, I think it's pretty legible. No, it's not confusing at all. I think it's just

I'm going to actually call it Thelma and Louise-ish. Not that extreme, but there's something that happens that you just don't see coming and is sort of out of left field. And it rocks. I loved it. For me, it pays off so much. I saw the cinema score is B+. No, that feels so low. But the way that you can kind of gauge is from the ending. Because it's the last thing they see before they're asked, what did you think of the movie? What grade would you give it? To me, if you love the ending, it's going to be...

canon for you and if you hate it I feel like I can understand you being like no I wanted it to be different just for me and I'm seeing for you too perfect ending what a script like this is a tight bold always interesting always fun sexy sort of giving timeless script in many ways it's very timeless

I mean, that screenplay, like, we talked about it afterwards. I love a post-movie, if you're with your friends, a post-film sort of salon at a bar or a restaurant. I had that with Josh after we saw Parasite for the first time. We were like, we need to go somewhere and talk about this. Yeah. And, like, I loved that part of the experience, right? I love that we all went out, like, afterwards and were like, we need to discuss this. Yeah. But, like, I was telling everybody, I was like, I...

in the theater was like, I need to read the screenplay. Yes, that was the first thing you said when it ended. Specifically the moment when, you know, it kind of like turns into the ending, basically. It's kind of like, someone called it an act break, structurally, depending on who you ask. The way this whole thing is executed is so, I mean, that's just Luca and Justin Kurtsky's doing it like so perfectly together, like a director really respecting and exalting the script.

And taking the time to really know the script as a director. And like, it just felt so lived in. I mean, I think Luca Guadagnino is the best director

He's one of our best. I mean, for me, it's just like, what's so incredible about him is he's just so good with character. Because on the page, like, I can see these being tough characters to play. Zendaya, Josh O'Connor, and Mike Feist, the three of them are perfect. Zendaya is just... Come on. I don't know.

What even is it? It's just like, it is an intangible movie star quality where I was watching it and I was just so happy the whole time. I was like, wow, here's someone who I will see everything she does. To me, she's like going forward, the way that I feel about like,

or I'm sure people felt in the beginning about like Sandra Bullock, like... Or like a Julia. Yes, but different because she's not giving the rom-com thing. She's giving a different vibe. She's just so good. There are so many moments in this movie, and I don't want to ruin anything, where...

you realize just how well she knows this person, and it's tough. It all pays off. It's hot as shit. Everyone in the movie is gorgeous, but in a real-looking way, not in this intangible movie star way, which is not a knock to them. But everyone feels specific, real, lived in. You can laugh the whole time. You can also watch it as a drama. There's so much going on. Yeah, I mean...

She kind of was the draw for me. Well, they said this, so they pulled the audience after everyone left, and they said, what was the number one reason? I was reading this long deadline article about it, and 55% said the reason that they saw the movie, the primary reason why they saw the movie was Zendaya. And we left, and I was like, people are going to talk about this movie. I think this is going to be a sleeper summer movie.

big one if they decide to keep it in theaters and I know there's already a plan for it to go to Amazon Prime I get the appeal of that you're like oh that's a movie I can watch on Amazon Prime do yourself a favor and go to this theater like have this like particular like cathartic experience that happens with the movie theater like it's also that it almost felt like watching a horror movie with an audience and that everyone was reacting to everything yeah sure

And she just, she's such a home run. And it's so interesting to hear her talk about and impress. Like, first of all, she's been doing a lot, all of it. But in these, I think she's being very real and vulnerable in these moments where she's like, no, I'm very nervous about this because this is my first time leading a movie technically. It's an important role for her. Wow. I hadn't thought of that. I was like, oh, I guess between like Spider-Man and Euphoria, you're like,

She has not been number one on the call sheet. I mean, this is a really big role for her. For a movie, for a film, for a film. Yeah, for Euphoria, that's... More of an ensemble, even. Yeah, Euphoria is very ensemble. She's obviously the star of it, so she has...

had that, but this is a huge part for her because she has to not only be number one on the call sheet and sell this movie, but also it's a tough character. It's a tough character. It's a walk. So much of it is internal. That character does not have that much dialogue if you think about it. Especially that moment in the end where I want to like see how it's written on the page like

All three of them have something internal, like a switch flips in them internally. It's like a tennis match between three people. Between three people. It's so gorgeous. And it's actually written that way. So I actually did start reading the script. I found it. Patrick sent it to me.

house and he sent it to me and it's written actually pretty differently than it looks on screen like it's just interesting like I wonder Luke is obviously just very clear about what he wants and like how he sees something because you could read this script and it could kind of read and I don't mean this in a bad way but it could kind of read like a total drama or what not even that like more of like a comedy like more of like a frilly comedy like for example like

When Zendaya in the very beginning... Okay, so this is not a spoiler, but I'm just going to describe her attitude in the very beginning. So Zendaya plays this woman who's pretty tough. She's pretty brash. She delivers information pretty straight up. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And I think on the page, that could come off a little bit more one-dimensional in a comedy way. Does that make sense? Where it could be like, she just...

she serves this purpose in the script to be hard and cold and the coach. The information she delivers could be read as just solely comedic, but Zendaya and Luca are giving her so much texture. And in the very beginning of the movie, she doesn't even have a lot of speaking in the beginning, but you know exactly who she is. And that's a testament to Luca and Zendaya. And I'm telling you, every character in some way is like that. It just could have been...

Yeah. And that's like one of my biggest compliments is that everyone in this movie is super real and I'm not even just talking about the three leads. I mean, all the small characters are memorable and pop because of the detail. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of cool what I was thinking about the writer, Justin Kuritsky, is like, Celine Song's husband. Yeah. And it's just like, he's like,

He is kind of that guy in past lives, essentially. He has been like, there's been a stand-in for him in one of her movies that would make you kind of like, that character is so fascinating in past lives to me. The guy she ends up with, the American guy that she ends up with, that she meets on a fellowship sort of like,

And they do the same thing in the movie, too. They do the same thing in the movie. I think they met through that, I think. Well, even if it's not directly that they met at something like that, they do have the same profession. Right, right, right. And I was wondering if that was the same. I'm not sure. I don't recall. But anyway, I just love that he has this film as like...

something that exists like sort of oh my god that kind of it speaks to past lives in a way to me like I'm like oh like the guy is this amazingly talented writer in his own right I just found that interesting you know that is kind of interesting how the movies speak to each other yeah past lives and challengers do have something in common it's like two

Two guys, one girl, whatever. You know, I was kind of thinking of it as May-December coded. No, I think it's past lives coded. Definitely past lives coded. But when I was leaving, I was like, so that felt like May-December to me. And in that, it's about three characters in this sort of triangular relationship. And all of them are very morally gray. Yes. And I think that there's also like a tug of war that's happening here. Just really interesting. And I want more movies like that. I know. So bad. Like those three movies that we just talked about, like Rebirth.

real drama, real stakes in relationship and interesting character. This is why I'm like, please go see this movie in the theater. Please let them know that this is something we want more of because this is actually good stuff. Yeah, totally. Really good, really compelling. Makes you think. I bet people have different reads on all these characters at any given time. Of course, because that screenplay is...

giving the audience just enough of a question mark to like fill in their own blanks and stuff. Trent Reznor, Atticus Ross, that is one of the, I think that's their best score.

I made a summer playlist called Beautiful Blonde Carefree Summer and I immediately added Yeah x 10. Yeah. Which is the song that plays when Zendaya is introduced as a young tennis pro. Uh-huh, uh-huh. When she walks out on the court. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever it is. I was like, that needs to be on my Big Beautiful Summer. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Big Blonde Beautiful Summer. Big Blonde Beautiful Summer. I'm not big blonde and beautiful like the Harris Bray soundtrack. I guess I am.

Yes, I am big, blonde, and beautiful. Yes, of course. Anyway, yeah, I put it on my summer playlist. I was like, this whole thing is a vibe. Yeah. We were just listening to it, actually. I know. I was playing. Let this be part of the lore for Lost Cult. Yeah. When we were putting together the categories, I was playing the entirety of the challengers. Yes, and our brains were working. Yeah. And look, I felt very, very activated. Yeah.

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I had so many wonderful trips with you in the past. Bowen, I remember one of our favorite trips to Toronto when we shared that Airbnb. Remember that? Airbnb came in the clutch. We were doing our I Don't Think So Honey live in Toronto. We stayed in that amazing Airbnb. We loved it. We had the time of our life there.

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Now, I think it's, in describing these three films, I think there is something going on in the culture now where the triangle is back. The triangle is back. It's the year of the threesome. Of the threesome. It's the year of the weird relationship between three people. Know it. Know it. And if anyone out there has instincts, follow them. Destroy your relationship by bringing in a chaotic third.

Look, you and I have a little chaotic third in our midst. A little Sudi Green running around. Absolutely. Zendaya coded. She's our Zendaya. But no, honestly, like, one thing I really liked about it was it was really casual about how these two straight, quote unquote, straight guys. Made out ones. Oh, yeah. Well, they fully, like, I don't know. I don't think it's a spoiler to say it goes somewhere between them because it's just really...

The way that they did it, where there was no weird homophobia. I know, I know. That wasn't even in the movie. It wasn't even in the air. I never thought for one second, like, oh, this is going to be weird because they're two guys. But it serves a purpose in the characterization and in the story. It's like, the moment that this thing happens...

it is purely still centered around the other character. Yes. It completely speaks to, like, the way this character, like, sees these two people and, like, the way she wants to manipulate them. It's, like, so good. It's not gratuitous. It's not like, oh, God, are we really, like, jerking into two guys kissing? Like, is that what's going on here? No, it's so important.

I think what is so fucking great about this movie is you understand, like, when you really think about it afterwards, like, what Zendaya's character, Tashi Duncan, by the way, great fucking name. Tashi. Tashi Duncan. What her desire is, is to just watch dynamics. She just, like, she thrives off watching that dynamic

push and pull between other people. Yeah. And she likes to be a part of it herself. Like, I don't know. It's just...

It's a fascinating character. And the tennis of it all, like, really works, and not in a heavy-handed way. You know what I mean? Because sometimes it's like, oh, they're dueling over her. Like, it's a tennis match. Like, I can see that on paper being like, her, her, her. But it works so well. Like, all the little micro-metaphors in tennis as a thing. Like, the fact that, like...

the script works as this story of their life, which honestly, in many ways, has been a volley back and forth. Yes. At the act breaks, like, they follow this one tennis match that's happening in the present day and they flash back in different parts of time and

The act breaks, like, always go back to the dispatch and that person who's winning in the relationship is winning in the game. Like, just fun little things like that. That work. The match point of it is, like, so perfect. Yes. There's something final to it. Yeah, and it doesn't feel like Pat. No. It feels, like, thrilling and it works. And it, you know, it's like...

Any really good sports movie, you're invested. But, I mean, any really good sports movie is anchoring that to emotions and to stakes. Because obviously the stakes are they're going to win and lose. But the fact that the relationship stakes are so much higher that leads into the ending, it's just the perfect version of this kind of movie. Yeah, totally. And I do love that Toshi character, like,

She's literally loving watching the dynamics to the point where she is like, has the notebook out, like watching replay on all the games, taking notes, writing down numbers. You're like, this is all she cares about. It's not just like in the script, it's like, oh, all she cares about is tennis, but it is actually more about...

the meta game. Yeah. She cares about the meta game. She literally is playing a meta game over the course of many, many years. Yeah. And also just the focus that he keeps on her as the lead while also like fully fleshing out these two other characters. Like there's, like I just said, the frame of the movie is this one tennis match that's happening in the present day of the film. And it's,

Zendaya has no dialogue. She's just sitting there watching the game. But he as the director and she as the actress are so good that you know emotionally where she is at in a small way and in a larger way the entire time. Like, just the shots, the editing, the editing!

must be given accolades here because it is really tense, really fun, really engrossing, and you don't miss anything. The things that are iconic about this movie are based in character and script payoff, such as the ball.

And they're all very intimate. Yes. And tennis is kind of an intimate game. I mean, not kind of, it literally is an intimate game between two people, max four or whatever. But like your arenas are smaller than like any other sport. But like the big moments like...

let's say like, you know, them all making out in the hotel room. Right. That is small. That is a Blood Orange music video, literally. Like Blood Orange is playing in the background, like diegetically, like playing from someone's phone. And so Josh Sharpe says, well, that song came out in 2013. So 18 years later, the movie takes place in the present day of 2031. Oh my God. Yeah, he caught a little... He caught that. What was I saying? You know what's great about that scene too, like when they start hooking up all together is...

It's literally born out of a conversation that we watch happen. It's like, what's so great about that scene is you understand why it goes there because they've just had this conversation that's really disarming and charming. Yes. And sexy. But she plays that so well. Genius. She's getting them to say all of these really...

Kind of embarrassing things. They're sharing stories about the first time they've, like, jerked off and stuff. It's like, she's getting them. She's perfect. She has this ferocity where she, like, gets them to, like, spill. And then she, like, the puppet strings are there from the beginning. Yes. And what is so different about that than other things that get sort of, like, you know, this...

reputation for being salacious or whatever, is it's like you're not just watching someone walk up to someone in a backyard and then eating their pussy while they're on their period. You know what I mean? You're actually watching this unfold and it's believable. It's not just this stunty thing of like, "Oh, he's fucking a grave." Not to keep dragging this movie, but this is why the script really matters is because

We're seeing it executed in a way that's born out of character and therefore we actually are scandalized and actually we can remember this in a real way in a way that can emotionally work for us. Speaking of character, because I've heard you say this and I really think you're onto something, talk about...

how even the quote-unquote minor characters in this film are so impactful. Sean, you remember them. It's all in the details. It's all in the details. It's all in the performances. Down to the woman who registers, Josh O'Connor. Yes, there's a detail about everyone. Yeah. And this is what I'm saying. It's like, so in the very first... The gay couple at the hotel. There's a gay couple in a hotel who have a hilarious two-line exchange, and there's something that

One of them slaps the other on the back, and the sound editing, you really hear the slap, which is so funny to me. For example, there's a woman who's checking him into the... One of the actors... One of the characters, rather, into the tennis tournament, and it's about a million other things just besides that transaction. That's, I guess, what I'm saying. Oh, totally. There is so much color and detail, and the director doesn't cut any of it. I understand sometimes why...

You just want to get to information in movies, like, and things should move. All information. Character and detail matters. It's like kind of like why they say like in a romantic movie, spend time on us watching them fall in love. You know what I mean? Don't just be like they met, they're in a relationship. Honestly, there's movies I could drag that do this, but I won't.

detail matters, like relationship matters, like things that you might deem as superfluous because they're not quote unquote moving story forward. Like we didn't need to watch the woman that worked at the hotel struggle with the snack machine. What do you call that? Oh yeah, the vending machine. The vending machine. Like we didn't need that, but like it did help. We watched their interaction and he couldn't get a room. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. It's just little things. The character of the year for me is Helen. Helen. Which is a Tinder date that Josh O'Connor goes on and it's,

From the moment you see her on the phone screen, Hayley Gates, shout out. Hayley Gates. We went to college with her. I was so shook when I realized it was her. Oh my gosh. She was... Killed it. I think that's the comedy performance of the year. We were screaming, laughing. It was just so funny. She was so good. This performance of trying to be interesting on a Tinder date, but you're not, like...

And also, like, where that scene ultimately goes. Again, this is another character that's in one scene of the movie, maybe seven lines of dialogue. It's giving Sandra Oh and the Princess Diaries. Yes, it is. Say it. Anyway, like...

I mean, what else? The boys are fucking amazing. The boys are amazing. Josh O'Connor would have won the Melanie Linsky Award for Best Fake American Accident in any of the years. Honestly, seamless. Seamless. He's so talented. He's very good. He's so good. And Mike Feist, I have been officially won over. Like, I fucking loved him in West Side Story. He's amazing in West Side Story. Now I'm like, oh...

Yeah. I'm on board forever. And also just like how comfortable they were with each other. You bought that best friendship from the beginning. And guess what? Because of the details and because of how...

much we believed it in the beginning, that really helped when the relationship got difficult and dark and non-existent. Like, because the relationship details really matter. Like, it matters how close they sit together. It matters them sharing food. It matters, like, how quickly they walk places together. Like, you know what I mean? Like,

The way that they sort of match each other in energy, like laying back and like watching her play tennis at the same time, like the way they exist sharing a hotel room. You know, it's just so many things that are specific and great.

That are to be loved about this movie. And it's so fucking gay without trying. And it's so fucking sexy without even really showing one. Exactly. You don't see any sex scenes. You see making out. You see like the suggestions of something starting and you see that something has ended. You don't see any fucking in this right. And it's still the horniest hottest movie of the year and the gayest.

It's something about... It's not the gayest movie of the year, but it's queer-coded and fun in that way. We have to shout out Jonathan Anderson. Fucking slay in the costume design. Oh, yeah. I told you shirt. Zendaya's look. I mean, it's all giving like... Josh's nasty plaid shorts during the match. Well, it's all giving like...

slight layer of Loewe, but that's it. He's not going to let Loewe dominate this movie. You know what I mean? Right. He's like such a good... Were they a sponsor? No, but Jonathan Anderson is Loewe. Oh, okay. He's Loewe guy. Oh, he... Oh, I didn't know that. That's his... Oh, perfect. So...

He fucking he's so I mean, he's like the fashion designer right now. And like for him to costume design for this in a way that is that respects the medium. It is not like fashion overtaking this. Yes. Except for the I told you shirt, which is like everyone's gonna wear and I actually please everyone wear that shirt.

I mean, they're on the way for us. We ordered them. The thing that that shirt does in this movie is so good that I'm like, I don't care. Everyone should wear it. Like, it's not a thing where I'm like, oh God, like eye roll, like someone's wearing that. But it's like, no, this is such a great, subtle touch in this movie that ends up being like a device. But I think like the first time you see it, you're like, oh, whatever. Random, like random thing. I'm just like,

Just the costumes throughout, so damn good. Loved it so much. The score, I need a DJ night of just the Challenger score. Yeah, just play the score. Just play the Challenger score. We're bopping our heads. I said I would go to these parties if they played that. Like, literally? Spin Challengers if you want me to be at your event. Factasia...

should do a Challengers theme. Ty should do a Challengers boat. Like, all queer nightlife should do something with Challengers. Yeah. Get into the conversation, too, because we're watching it happen. We're watching something get birthed. Yeah, something is here to stay with it. Yeah. You know what I mean? ♪

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Zendaya, she's so stunning in a way that's just like, you genuinely could watch her experience anything. Like, I would watch her in any type of movie. I would watch her, like, in any type of role. She's just fun to watch. The scene where she sits down at the tree, I don't want to give anything away, it was giving, like...

timeless movie star. Oh, yeah. It was giving, like, and also the way he was lighting her, because remember, this guy is like, if you don't know, now you know. He did Call Me By Your Name. He's so great at, like, he just makes a choice that

keeps the movie stunning and beautiful, but also never loses narrative and catches a lot. You know who I would also compliment with this? Andrew Onn. Oh, yeah. Like, these are directors that, like, put you in a pillow. Yeah, the movie that we were in, Fire Island, I believe, was very elevated by the detail and the scope that it picked up of the surroundings so that you were always aware of place. Yeah. And what I love about this movie so much, too, is how much...

parking lot making out there is. I love the hotel culture. You know what I mean? Like, it's got this sense of real place when you think about what these people actually must do, which is they spend a fuck ton of time at hotels and practicing and like eating out on the road. You know what I mean? Like, there's just so much

Like, you don't even know where these people live. It doesn't matter. Their daughter is like an afterthought in a way that's kind of fun. But in a way where you're also like, the daughter is kind of, you don't need that daughter to be realized any more than she is in the film where it's like...

She wants to watch Spider-Verse. Yeah. Which I thought was also a cute detail. I liked it. She loves hotels. I love that detail. Yeah, the daughter loves hotels. She feels safe there. That's what I'm talking about. You know what I mean? Yes. And the mom just kind of being around. Like, you don't really... Like, the mom and Zendaya and Tashi don't need to have, like, a deep...

revealing conversation. It says everything that she is there, that she is, like, part of their lives in that specific way. Yeah. Where she's just there to child rear. No problem. Do you know what I mean? Oh, 100%. And also, I'm realizing now, like, because there's a thing with the mom where Josh O'Connor says to Zendaya, your mom looks good. And Zendaya goes, I know she does, Patrick. And I was just like, that...

is such an that's a great line it's like I mean Zendaya has an iconic line which is I'm taking such good care of my little white boys I was like not only is this movie tight structurally it's really fun in terms of dialogue like things just it doesn't feel it doesn't feel written no it doesn't and I would compliment obviously everyone involved for that but

These actors are, and I mean this in the best sense, throwing it away. It is so lived in and earned. There's long scenes in this movie too, but they don't feel long because of the pacing that the score brings in. I don't know, it's just fucking good. There's motion in every scene. Not to mention cinematography where I didn't even feel like it was that on the nose for the volleys to happen. Do you know what I mean? I get it, it's a tennis movie, but the camera moves are like...

are so pronounced, but they totally fit with what's being said, with what the dynamic is within the scene. Like in the dorm between Josh and Zendaya. Yeah. Like that whole argument that it kind of devolves into, I'm like, wait, that was perfect. Like it came in just the right time. It wasn't too indulgent. It happened for like a couple seconds where it's clear to the audience. One shot, by the way. One shot, by the way. I know, I love that. But it's so clear to the audience, like what's going on. It met the audience where it's at. It doesn't try to like

handhold too much. It also doesn't try to like be so vaunted in an unreachable place that you're like, oh, how do I, how do I engage with this? You know what I mean? Yeah. It's a real crowd pleaser of a movie that feels like

like, so artistically lush and chewy or whatever. Yeah, and you don't need to be, like, a tennis fan to enjoy it either. Like, in fact, if you are a tennis fan, that's, I guess, where one criticism I've heard is coming in is, like, I guess the tennis in the movie is not satisfying tennis people. I had one person say to me who plays tennis all the time that...

Zendaya's form was bothering him. And then I had another person who plays tennis all the time say that she had the best form. And I'm like, okay, which one of you is bad at tennis? Because that just means one of the people that talk to me sucks. And if you're listening to this, you might suck. I don't know. Someone who's an expert should weigh in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently Josh's form was wild, but I thought that worked for the character. Oh, that's funny. That totally works for the character. I feel like Zendaya must have...

through a character filter must have put in the work to make sure that Tashi's form was good. She said on Kelly Clarkson, because Kelly was like, did y'all become the best tennis player of all time? Because I was watching this like, y'all can really play tennis. And Zendaya was like, I wish I could say I was even adept at tennis, but apparently there was never a real ball. And she was like, I just liked that it like dance training. But what I had heard was that Zendaya's

forearm is that it comes from under too much and that it's like she needs to be on top of the ball a little bit more is what one person said to me, but again that person could be one of tennis' worst players. Oh stop, but also Zendaya is working with some

Lithe limbs. Lithe would be one word. And so, of course, it's going to look a little, a little, I mean, gangly isn't the right word, but you know what I mean? Like, she's got the longest arms and legs ever. Lithe would be one word to describe Zendaya. It's actually real close to number 100. Lithe would be one word to describe Zendaya. So I'm feeling maybe it's pronounced that way, and so it kind of like... Lithe limbs.

Shoes when so Take it, Queen. It's your film. Oh, I can't wait for that part of the movie. I really can't. I sing it. No, I don't. Oh my God, I just literally gagged. For a second, I was just like, whoa. I do have a fantasy that like the movie pivots to your perspective and that you are the lead. I think there is a Rosencrantz and Gilman's Dern or Dead sequel potential to Wicked where it's just me. There is. It's Fanny and Chen Chen sort of being like out

out in Oz. Like when, no, oh, this is the idea. It's Fanny and Chenchen. Once Dorothy comes to Oz, like everyone's like a Twitter, like, oh my God, this bitch just landed. Like she's, I heard she's fierce. This bitch just landed and I heard she's fierce. And it's like me and Chenchen, it's Fanny and Chenchen just like trying to look for Dorothy while she's, and then once they get to the Emerald City, she's gone. Oh man. And it's kind of like a waiting for a good Joe, except we're like chasing after it. Yeah, no, that's really good. That's not bad, right? No, it's actually art. Thank you. Man.

much of what you just said are pretty much all the time. Wow. Oh, you know what we didn't do? What? And we can do this for the end of this episode.

Because how much more do we have to say? I mean, everyone needs to go see it. Everyone needs to go see it. Just go. If you haven't gone already, and also, not for nothing, be like me and go a second time because it's just as good the second time. I know. I can't wait to see it again. Bring your friend that you love to watch react to stuff. You know how oftentimes you have that favorite person that you love to see laugh first or react to something first or like that? Bring that person that you're excited about seeing it to this movie.

Period. I love that advice. Period. That's a great bit of advice. Yeah, because this is one of those movies that you feel. Okay, so one thing we could do, because we forgot to do, is pick out a new year for the next cultural excavation. We don't have the bucket, but what we could do is we could...

Okay, random number generator. Random number generator. Oh, wow. There's an app for everything. So the minimum is... It was... Okay, so let's just say 1975 to 2020. No, let's do 1973 to 2023. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, that's good. All right. Generate, ready? Generate. Here we go.

1979. Whoa. This is our first year that we've done that is before us being born. 1979. Okay, so we're about to do some research. This could be really fun for everybody in the class. Becca, if there's time...

Could you make it just a little sourdough starter of a document for us? Thank you so much. Wow. And then from there we can just sort of... It's because Bowen Yang is going to be very busy May and June, and he forgets I'm not.

Well, no, I also respect your time and that you would want to use your time the way you want to use it. And you had a very busy winter and spring. Can I say, when I say this stuff about myself, this bit about Bowen Yang being the busiest woman in Hollywood and me, like, getting a tan, I am just... I'm not dragging myself. I promise you. But the audience hears it and thinks, oh, well... Well, they must either think, oh, ha-ha, he's being funny, or, like, lol, I wish he wouldn't do that. He's being mean to himself. Or they think flop, fag, weirdo.

We hate Matt Rogers. He's so annoying. I don't understand it. I don't want you to ever let that happen. Listen, I completely respect all camps. I don't completely respect all camps, but I completely acknowledge all camps. Acknowledge all camps. Where I'm telling you you should be is probably somewhere in between the two. Yes, of course. Be worried about me always. Oh! But I'm fine.

Anything else to say about Challengers? No, I think it was the greatest film I've ever seen. Between Challengers in May, December and Past Lives, as we just said, that's a trifecta that should be studied. A trifecta of triangles. I really like that. And I would actually, I would like to teach the college course. Oh, I love that. I would like to teach a cultural analysis on those three movies and how they speak to each other. Because, you know, what gets unwieldy is if it's,

I'm literally doing a movie that's this, though, but it's of two couples. Like, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf gets a little, like, even though that is, like, one of the great plays and great films, like, four is a little, like, it's tough to manage four, right? Yeah. Three is that, ooh, three is perfect. Three is that beautiful, three is that good, good number. Three is really one of the numbers that you get to first when you start counting. Yes. If you think about that,

One, two, three. You are already there. You don't have to go far. Give it a couple numbers. You'll get to three. You'll get there. Stick with it. Stick with it. But you know, that's why Britney didn't call her song four. And Beyonce called it four, but for different reasons. Britney called it three. Well, yeah, I mean... I do want to say one of my favorite parts of the Renaissance tour was...

In the section where the theme is wedding, as Matt Whitaker likes to say. Yeah. Before she sings Love on Top. Or before she sings Rather Die Young or something. She just goes, y'all want to hear something off my album Four? And that's, I love, I love hearing her say Four. I think it's her favorite.

One of the shows I could have sworn watching video, I hear her say my favorite album for and that was really shocking. But maybe this has not actually been documented and confirmed. Well, back in the day when she was like promoing for, she performed One Plus One on American Idol and she introduced it like this. This is my favorite song, One Plus One. She said that. So I don't know if One Plus One is still her favorite song. It's up there, though.

I love 1+1. I'll never forget seeing 1+1. The Scottish World Tour. Well, then and in Renaissance, World Tour was amazing, but I saw it at the Roseland Ballroom when she was pregnant and no one knew. And Jay was there and she was sitting on the piano and it was a really small audience and she ripped it apart vocally, emotionally.

Just... We end every episode with a song. No, I don't think so. I'm hanging out a bonus episode. We didn't even do the dance. It's okay. It's first and foremost a song. Bye.

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