"Matt & Bowen In Conversation with Betty Gilpin"
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- Bo, listen, vacation, it's something you gotta get right. - I have never agreed with you more. And I've had so many wonderful trips with you in the past. I remember one of our fantastic Airbnb trips upstate. We got this four bedroom Airbnb, little cabin,

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Hello. Hi, everyone. Oh, my gosh. What a crowd. What a crowd. I thought he said that the chairs were the microphone. He's like, the chairs are the microphone. He did make it sound like the chairs were the microphone. I bet they're not. He said they were going to be like magic and we didn't have to do anything. And we had to pick this up. No, but it's still magic. Is this magical, Walt? Everything is magic. We're just kidding. We love you.

Hi, you guys. Hi, Daddy. I am so excited to be here, here at the 92nd Street Y, where culture is mother, and here I sit with... And here I sit with two Lil' Bros. Oh, my God.

If you know, you know. And here's what I know. The razor-tongued legends to my left have made the deserved acrobatic leap from pop culture commentators on the Solo Cup sidelines to pop culture icons on the Golden Hilltop. And...

We are all so proud. And your individual accomplishments in every possible medium are so impressive and storied, be it music, film, television, bonobos. But tonight is a night for the readers, Katie's publicists and finalists.

All of whom are represented tonight. So I just want to welcome one more time Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

It's like, it's beyond wish fulfillment to have you here. I mean, like this is, when we started the podcast, I think it was like a way that we could get together and just talk about the things that we loved and it came from that place. And then when you became a true topic on our podcast because of our love for you and then you came on and it was just, I think this moment in the podcast that we both look back on as one of the highs of doing it. Yeah.

And I just, I mean, if you guys know the Maggots and Magic episode of Last Culture Is This, it was like three people exploding of joy. And I just, I just, it's just the coolest that you're doing this. And we just think you're the coolest. And, you know. Oh my God. Well.

I know, I feel like if you're a reader, you feel this way where the magic of your podcast is you make sooties of us all, where it feels like we are, it's just the three of us sitting somewhere, but you're like, all right, I'm with headphones and they don't know me, but I'm talking with them. And, you know, I think I've had this experience with other people

before where when they get really successful, there's this little like, oh, it's not just me anymore, but it has never felt that way because joy and your friendship is so, the, the, the,

the basis for everything and it just is the bedrock. So it's, it never feels like you're turning out to the audience or it's a performance. It just always feels so authentic and I just feel so proud. And yeah. - Come on. We're just a piccolo and a bassoon over here. We're not, that's our timbre and that's all we bring is just we're too,

squawking voices and somehow, somehow that's transmuted into something really so meaningful to us. And yeah, that's it. I sound an octave lower than I usually do. And I think it's really working. The real you. Yeah, the real me. But the change in your voice is so real. Oh, over the years of the podcast? Yes. I don't know if you ever go back and listen to like really old ones, but one time I went back and you were,

Piccolo-ish girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was Piccolo. You were Piccolo-ish. Yeah. And I was sort of like a hyper Piccolo. Oh, got it. Like helium. What's a hyper Piccolo? Like helium, I guess. Helium, Piccolo, Piccolo. And now we've matured. Yeah. Into like sort of, I'm losing Piccolo to be honest. Yeah. Well, it'll still go deet, deet, deet, deet, deet, deet, deet, deet, but it's not deet, deet,

It's more dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee. Sure. It's the years. Wait, let's go back to the beginning. Hilary Duff. If we may. Hilary Duff. Come on out, Hil. Hilary! Talk to me about the beginning. Where were you? What were you? Who were you? Like, what were your apartments like? What were your dreams like? What was happening? And how did you come up with the idea to do this?

Why have you done this? Yes, yes. There's a new detail in the origin story that I think is really important, which is that I remember that it was at a Think Coffee on Mercer Street. Oh my God, yeah. That's like an iconic thing. That's an iconic thing. Is it still there? Yes! You were there today? How is it? Do they still...

Do they still have like the most- - Coffee? - Do they still have coffee? They have like the most beat up board games, it's fine. No, I went every day to think coffee on Mercer. - Well, we used to record on the corner of Mercer, where Dojo used to be. These are for my old- - Yes, Dojo. - And when they got rid of Dojo or they replaced Dojo with like a knockoff Dojo, that was very hard for us.

for the community. - So we went to school around there and like, I think it was, it was at that Think Coffee that we sat down and we had like a Google Doc, this is all coming back to me now too. We literally were like, okay, what could ideas for the podcast even be? Because we thought for a second it was gonna be like a choose your own adventure, a classic Bowen Yang idea. - Logistically impossible.

- Idea. Like, to go down, to go to the library, go to episode 952. Like, that's crazy. Why did I ever think that could be? - And I was like, what if we talk?

Yeah. And then I think it was this, but literally out of necessity of needing to have segments, like our producers, Forever Dog, which is where we started. Yes. And they said like, well, can you have some segments? And we came up with I Don't Think So Honey because it was something that we would just say to each other whenever we thought the other was being...

Not right. Yeah, not right. Like, oh yeah, I don't think so, honey. No sweetie. No sweetie. No sweetie is like the addendum that's kind of gotten chopped off. It was, I don't think so, honey. No sweetie. Yeah, no sweetie has gotten lost to time. Yeah. Yeah.

- Kind of the Katie of I don't think so. - Yeah, but no sweetie was definitely in there. And then we had another segment which was the culture of the week, which is where we said what the culture of the week was and it was always Disney related and the bit just wasn't landing. - It wasn't landing. Every culture of the week thing was an element of the Disney parks. It was like turkey legs one week. - Yeah, we did turkey legs.

- Tower of Terror, another. - Yeah, of course, just highlighting the culture. - When did you start having guests? Or from the beginning? - Yeah. - From the beginning, the second episode. Our first guest was Anna Dresen. - Yep. - And a very good friend of ours.

I think we only started having no guests like four or five years in, like during the pandemic. Yeah. Or during lockdown was where we were like, okay, it's both harder and easier to book people, but if we can just get on a Zoom, then that's what the easiest thing is. I think I'm getting this timeline right. Yeah, it felt like the pandemic was this moment where

the podcast got like a weird, and this feels so weird to say, but it really felt like how are we gonna keep doing this? Because I remember Bowen had gotten Saturday Night Live and I had moved to LA and it was like this question of how are you gonna do the podcast? And I was like, well, I'll travel back and we'll always be in person because the podcast has to be in person. For sure it can't exist if it's not in person. Right.

And it was like this thing of we had made this decision and then the world made a decision for us that we were going to have to be virtual, which ended up being this nice cool thing because then we could reach out to people regardless of where they were in the world because everyone now had Zoom proficiency and they could log on and be our guests from anywhere, which was fun for a minute. Yeah. It's still fun. Yeah. I still don't mind a Zoom guest.

But Matt hates it. I'm just so happy that you're both back in New York. I love it. It's where you belong.

Are you a lifer here, you think? Yes. Yeah. So am I. I think I've realized I'm a lifer here in leaving. In leaving, I've now come back and I'm like, because it's like, it is true. Like, talk about that Think Coffee, like where you recorded the podcast. I remember when I had been away from New York for a couple years because of the pandemic, I had come back actually to do the Bonobo shoot. Wow. I could say a lot. But,

But I was, I got a little high and I was, it was raining. For the shoot. Yeah, for the shoot, no. But I remember I was- You want to be free for Bonobos. Exactly. It's like, use the space. Something they really said. We could have been high for that. Totally. Yeah, totally. It was a very straight, they were lovely. That was a great experience. It was so fun. There was flamingos. Anyway. Anyway.

Real flamingos? No, no, not real. Not real. It was plastic flamingos. Blonde flamingos. Plastic. Yeah. But I remember I was walking around New York and I hadn't been there in so long and it was raining. It was...

like February or something. And I, I just, I had, was feeling like cold on my skin in the rain. I'm walking around the Lower East Side where we went to school and just seeing all these landmarks like, Oh, remember when that happened there, that happened there. You'd only have history here because I kind of, we both kind of grew up here. And then I got really emotional and I was like, this is my home. You know, like we're all so lucky that New York is our home. And I just feel like, you know, I'm again, very happy to be back as well.

Welcome, welcome. But in LA, there's no memory. Like, you don't see, like, there's no emotional landmarks in LA. There have to be. There's barely any emotion in LA. Wow. Here's my question. As you guys have gotten so successful... Delete. Betty's doing the new AMC. Delete time, delete time. Um...

I'm shocked that you can't hear a filter in the podcast. That like now that you are, have more ears and eyes and I just am so pleased that you don't seem to censor yourselves at all. Probably could more.

But I love it. It just, it just, it's just getting better and better. And I wonder how do you protect that unfilteredness? Do you just try not to think about that more people are listening to you? Well, I think the fact that, so to go back to the think coffee, the fact that Matt's idea was, why don't we just talk? I mean, that is the lowest concept idea, but in the best way possible.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh my God. Yeah. That's what, that's why it works, people. That's why it works. The reason we've kept doing it is because it's the easiest, like most turnkey thing. It's like, besides culture, the only thing that's gone is culture of the week. That's the only difference from the,

from the beginning of the podcast. And I think the reason maybe there's, I think there's a little bit of a filter. There's a light gauze of a filter on the show now, maybe, because I think we don't want to run afoul of anybody necessarily. It's weird to want to be in the industry

that you have so much shit to talk about. - Yes. - Right. - You know what I mean? And we were doing it backstage, you know what I mean? And we were like, oh, this will be just this without shit talking people. But it's funny because things happen and then all of a sudden you meet that person. - Right. - And it's weird. - Yeah. - Right. - Yeah, can you ever tell that their publicist is like, just so you know, they said your show was written by third graders.

And let me say, a show I would die to be on. Same!

It's like a 90s primetime soap. It's amazing. Thank you for saying that because finally today, I was like, you know what it is? It's just a soap. And it's actually quite a good soap. Yes. Because on a soap, like, who wants to hear about, like, people's drama that could really actually happen? No, I want to hear that Bradley Jackson was at the insurrection. Yes. Of course I want to hear about that. Of course she should go to space.

I forgot. Oh, spoiler alert. Betty's watching it, by the way. Well, I've told them I watched all of season one, have skipped season two, and last night started three. Yes. So I've seen Bradley in space. Oh, okay. But I don't know why she's there. Why is she there? Okay. Okay.

She was supposed to go to the border. Do you want to hear my theory? Yes. This is my theory. Okay. So I think Jennifer Aniston was supposed to actually go to space. And I think that was where her and the Jon Hamm of it all was going to take off.

And I think that that was like actually pretty heavy-handed metaphor that they at the last second either bailed on because they didn't have enough for Reese in that episode or Jennifer said, I don't like how I'm going to look in the space thing. Right. If I'm floating around, I can't like turn my face. Yeah. It feels like something Jennifer Aniston said, yes, I want to go to space and then said at the last second, no, I don't want to go to space. Because that turn in the episode,

didn't make sense, which strengthens the series overall. - Yes. - Right, I agree. And I think I understand the draw to "Morning Show" in that I feel like right now in acting, there is a real war on choices and stakes. It's a lot of, to me, sleepy status in movies of like, "I'm better than you and I'm a little sleepy and I just..."

Trying to get through this day. And on the morning show, it's like everyone is going for it. The highest stakes, like at war with the camera and their scene partner. And I, as someone who doesn't, I don't watch Housewives, but I do understand the like, sorry. There were some gasps and it's okay.

Like, we turn around and like Brynn Whitfield is here. But I do feel like those are Blanche DuBois women playing to the mezzanine in a sleepy status world. So that I understand. Morning Show is a show of Blanche DuBois, for sure. It's just, honestly, like, when I realize it's Wednesday, I get so excited.

I get so excited, especially because all season long, I've thought it premieres on Fridays. So I was waiting till Friday and then I found out, oh my God, there's a new episode that's been out for two days. - When did you find out? - No, I found out on a Thursday. Okay, so this is why it was good. It's 'cause I thought it was coming on Friday, then my friend Abe said to me, "You know what comes out on Wednesdays, "you can watch it now." I left hanging out with him.

And went home and watched it. It is so fun. And I heard that what happens in the finale is the craziest thing the show has ever done. Wow. And I'm so happy this has taken up this much time. Has someone told you what happens already? No one's told me what happens because I told, let's just say I met someone in the wild who works on the show. And so I had a litany of questions. Mm-hmm.

And were they offended by what you have said about people? Okay. They thought it was very apt. Okay. And they were like, they were like, yeah. And I just heard a little bit about the inner workings in a way that I'm obsessed with. Oh my God. That unfortunately goes through a filter because I can't get out here and say.

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I think we've both said privately to each other, like, our answers change all the time. Yeah. I think you have... I'm a little bit more, like, I don't know, not as defined. Charged eye contact across the rim with hot actors. With hot actors. Yeah. The only time that's happened. I think mine are, like, very mainstream millennial in that, like, I... So, American Idol was a really big deal for me because...

Because I loved music and music is actually what I love most of all. And so, why is that funny? It's true. The way they laughed so hard. Have you heard of Christmas comes out November 3rd? It's true. I said I won't stop until my Wikipedia says, Matt Rogers is American comedian, writer, actor, television host, and recording artist. And then I'll stop. No.

No, but anyway, when I was watching American Idol at 11 or 12, yeah, sure, it was definitely the Kelly Clarkson of it all. It was big for me. There was the rooting for this incredible powerhouse talent. But for me, what was so exciting about it was when they would do the theme weeks of Motown and 60s music and 70s music and 80s music.

And I suddenly had like a vocabulary for all this music history to the point where I then went into school and my art teacher was like, "Today we're going to listen to Aretha Franklin." And I knew all the songs. And that's when I realized just how much music was out there and how much I loved every genre. And I think it really got me very interested because I'm the kind of person where when I love something, I have to know everything about it.

So for that, I would say that was really the, and then honestly, like a lot of people that ask like, what's your comedic influence and sensibility? I can answer that question, but there's nothing funnier to me than the way some of these people sing.

People on American Idol? Like, okay. So, at an American Idol performance, like, it would usually end with, like, a sustained belt. And that is so funny. LAUGHTER

It was the style back then, though. Yeah, and the Mariah, Celine, Whitney style of singing, or just the existence of pop stars in spaces, I think is so funny. I think that is why, ultimately, I am sort of doing this bit that's become real, like me as this pop star, is because I do think that there's something really funny, and I've always thought there was something really funny about capitalism and pop music and...

The Christmas thing. It's just, I just think there's something so funny about it. And so to embody it, I think does connect to who I was as a kid. Yeah. And so that's what I would say for right now, like in my life, the culture that

that moved me, that like literally brought me out into the backyard and like I would sing and I thought that no one could hear and I wished to be on that show and you know, I wanted to perform but it was at odds with where I was growing up and that tension like I can really directly trace back to that show which doesn't feel very special because that's everyone in America, that's our age as a core American Idol. - Doesn't have to be special. - No, but there is something that-- - You were voting every week and watching every week. - I was voting every week.

Sometimes I would vote for everyone just to get one person out. - Wait. - I would vote strategically and politically. - Wait, vote for everyone but one person? - Yes. - So it brings their, it just, it fucks the numbers up. - Wow. - I was, so basically Jennifer Hudson being eliminated radicalized me. - Wow. - To game the system. - It radicalized me. - Incredible. - John Stevens was my enemy.

And this means very little to anyone. - Season three. - Ants were calling me after Jennifer Hudson was eliminated asking why. And I was like, "I don't know, Emoryne. I'm trying to figure out myself."

- And were you watching like by yourself, were you with Chelsea? - My family loved it. My sister, actually to give her credit, was the first one to say, "I like Kelly." And I was like, "No, it's Tamara, it's about Tamara." And then it so clearly was about both of them, but it was about Kelly. - Right. - I remember she saying stuff like that there on Big Ben Week, and I was like, I was with my grandmother, and my grandmother said, "That is the most talented person I think I've ever seen." And I was like, "I think you're right."

I was like, "I think she's such a star. I'm obsessed with her. I love her." And then, you know, years go by and like... Yeah. Were you ever going to audition for American Idol? I would never have gotten to the place where I was comfortable enough with myself to do that. But I remember the second season, there was a contestant named Matt Rogers.

And he still hangs out to this day. He's hosting stuff on CMT and stuff. But I remember when he went out and auditioned, I was like, "Well, now I can never be on the show." And it was the first time I knew what a situational depression was.

But it was American Idol for me. It consumed my life. And then other things, like when I watched Lost, I knew I wanted to write television. And, you know, just the culture of Long Island has really seeped into my bones. Yes. Yeah, so that's what it is for me. Beautiful. Fabulous answer. Mine, I'm going to say, parallel track of, like, pop worship was this.

this Taiwanese artist named Teresa Tang. And then at the same time, Celine Dion, because it was Montreal. She was our god. And, you know, we would like go into, we would do field trips downtown and go to the cathedral. And it's called like Cathedral Notre Dame or something. But we just as kids knew it as the church where Celine got married to Rene Angélil. Wow.

And it was just watching her on TV and like watching her switch from speaking English to speaking French, singing in English, singing in French. It blowing my mind that someone was bilingual even though I was bilingual. Like wild.

And it was something really fucked me. And like, this is true for all of us. Like when she put out that video this year about her, her illness, like it was, I, I, um, I sobbed and I'm not a sobber, but like it really fucking destroyed me because this is someone who, God, like means so much to people. And then, and then to go and then like with the whole like Titanic of it all, like I got to bring my, give it up.

And mom and my sister were in town a couple weeks ago. It's the only piece of theater that I can take my mother to where she would understand what was happening and appreciate it. She knows Titanic. She knows Celine Dion. It's monoculture for, like, a Chinese auntie, you know? And...

That is incredibly meaningful that you get to share it up and then it gets downloaded back onto you or whatever. My mom was the one to put on Celine on the TV. And so I think it's Celine. - I love that. American Idol Celine. - Get this. So I too was obsessed with Celine at like seven and then there was this other pop diva, her name was Mariah Carey.

And I remember at the time, this is how you know that Stan Wars are actually something that's deep within us. I remember feeling so threatened by Mariah Carey because I was a Celine Stan. You were Team Celine. And then when I actually realized what Mariah's deal was, I was like, I'm jumping ship.

That's my girl. Like, the Divas Live with Mariah, Celine, Shania. Oh, yeah. I mean, Aretha. I mean, that was like the best night of my life. To be a PA at Divas Live must have been the most terrifying experience possible. We need that again so bad. Yeah, we do. Like, we need Ari. We need Kelly. We need who?

Olivia. We need Beyonce. We need Gaga. Oh, my gosh. What a right time. Yeah. Maybe Rihanna would come in and, I don't know, present if she doesn't want to sing. It's not that we don't want to hear her sing. No, it's that she doesn't want to perform. We all heard what you just said.

Okay, and when did you know this was true love? Like I know that at first you bumped heads famously, but what was like the first conversation or in-joke or moment where you were like, "Oh, this is different." When was that? Well, we say it's... So this is really what happened.

I was invited by a friend on my floor freshman year to go to a sketch show, Hammercats, at NYU. And she was like, and my friend Bowen is going to come, and he is in the improv group. So if you want to eventually be in the groups, you should meet him. He is great. He's my friend. We have class together. And so we met and went to the show together, but there was this little Kylie Minogue tension there.

Because I think, you know what's really interesting? I can remember the moment where I met all of my best friends. And I clock it, and I remember it. And I always remembered that. And then we didn't start really hanging out until we both were on the groups. And there was like a commonality in that we had this interest, which was doing comedy at the school. We had all these friends. And then we also had like a shared language, I think, just from being friends.

- Gay? - Gay. - Yeah. - But then like, when did we know it was true love? - Well, I think that, well, I was always like, here's the deal, the real deal, and you know this just from knowing Bowen, but I remember the very first time I ever saw him perform, I just thought he was,

like a supernova. Like I was just like, I was so like shocked. Like it was so exciting to watch his energy. And like, I was just like, wow. Like, and I, we were already friends, but I had not really seen you do, um,

and your energy and just what you bring to a stage and a group of people, it just was elevating the mood of everyone in the room. And I think I sensed something in that because I think that something that I try to take away from this

take with me every single day. It's my job to make people happy and provide levity and provide joy. And I knew in that very moment, I was like, he gives me a lot of joy. And there was something intangible about the joy that everyone in the room felt when he was doing what he was doing. And that's such a

superpower and like a sixth sense that you can choose one of two things. You can be afraid of that and jealous of that and want to push it away or like, you know, hate it because you're not it or you don't think you are. Or you can be like, I want to be closer to that person. I want to find out more. And then the luckiest... Um...

The luckiest thing that ever happened to me was that, you know, at least he says, he felt the same way about me and what I do. By the way, when the microphones are off, I am telling this person how fucking amazing he is in every way. It's like when you have that type of feeling towards someone and then they say, you know, like, I look at you like that, like, I feel this way about what you can do, like, it just makes you feel...

Like you can, because, and I was just talking today to someone about how, like when Rachel Bloom won the Golden Globe, we were at each other's, we were at your apartment. And I was, we were watching. We all remember where we were. But I remember like, we watched her win and we watched her go up to the stage and that was like our friend. And I remember I turned to him and I was just like,

is this crazy to think that like these people that we thought were special, like actually are like, could we actually do this? Like, and then every single day from that moment on, I'm talking too much, but, um, like I, I just saw it happen for more and more people until ultimately it's happened for him in this way that is so major, but I just, I'm not surprised. You know what I mean? Like, and, and,

I'm so proud of him, but like, duh. You know what I mean? Like, I've always known he was a star.

And so when you see that person and they say to you, I've been asked to do a podcast, do you want to do one with me? Say yes. That's so sweet. Oh, my God. Well, I think that is the thing that I was trying to say at the beginning that is just the Teflon for you guys where you just feel that constantly. It's the glue and what keeps it so authentic and so...

wonderful to listen to. The best parts are when you can hear the like fizz between you guys. Like what was the moment in a recent episode where I think it was Sudi's recent, uh, Kuntum. Um, uh, naturally Kuntum. Um, thank you. Um, uh, where she was guessing your McDonald's orders.

And Matt said that he wouldn't order a Big Mac because he thought there's tomato. And you could hear Bowen's brain explode. Because he knows what I'm talking about. But it's like hearing a best friend's brain explode of like, no one hates or loves you more than me in this moment.

Of like, I'm so angry at you and love you so much. Isn't that funny? And that's insane and I'll never let this go and it's making me so happy and so angry at the same time. That's why I was crying in that moment. Yeah.

It is purely like, I love this person so much for all, like in this moment of total nonsense. Yes. He is being so, and I told him this recently. I was like, so it's not the reason why Matt has had a really, really, really incredible couple years, but recently, but I think the reason, yes, give it up. But there's like, I told Matt recently, I was like,

You are like literally adorable. Like people love to adore you. You know what I mean? Like he just has that thing, that thing where like, it's undeniable. There is no reason why anyone would be like, that's not for me. None. You got to tweet the Teresa Drew Dice fans. They might kill me at BravoCon.

If I die at BravoCon, it's the tree huggers. It's so... They're called tree huggers. It's... God. Well, one thing about the Bravo fandom is that they are all mentally sound. Including us! Including us. Including us. Anyway. But the Big Mac moment is like...

is so, is just a pure expression of that, of the friendship. I agree. Yeah, totally. And listening to you guys do live performances in Berlin and even listening to you guys do ads, like you can feel, you feel like you're also stoned with them being like,

like, isn't this crazy? Like, you can feel you sort of kicking each other under the table of like any situation. I mean, it just, it's such a joy. We're all so grateful. Ads are such a trip. Ads are a trip. Ads are so weird because they do this thing now where, peek behind the curtain, you can tell AI has written some of the ads. Yeah. And it's so infuriating because it's not written for humans to speak. So why would you expect us to speak? Right.

Wait, really AI has written? It's just like this syntax like, oh, we're getting, hello. We're getting audience questions. It's the ad police. You had an amazing top on. Yeah, that was chic. That was so stunning. Wait, that was the chicest woman I've ever seen. That was the chicest woman I've ever seen. I needed another one. That was incredible. Wow. She's our next guest. Yeah. Jess.

I specifically said no chic women. Yeah, I know. Betty. This says we can go until 8.05. Oh. Oh. Bo, listen. Vacation, it's something you got to get right. You can't roll the dice. You have to make sure that it's all together. Everything is where it's supposed to be when you get where you're going on vacation. Can you agree? I have never agreed with you more. And I had

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highlanders and more when you visit buyatoyota.com toyota let's go places these are audience questions there are 160 000 of them um so okay this is from uh jet l who is your dream guest for the next season and why oh i know who i would want to have and it's it's lady gaga

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - Because I just wish for Bowen what I got to have with Kelly. - Oh. - It was so euphoric and such an incredible moment. And to have what I just said and have that full circle moment with her, I want that for you bad. - Well, that's so nice. It's not going to happen because basically, okay, we know, we saw, the first time I saw Titanic was with Bobby Campbell, her manager. Sweetest, sweetest guy, love him.

He was like, "I'm coming to the show." And I was like, "Great." He did not mention that she would show up. So what happened at the meeting between Dress In Air is Lorne goes, "And Lady Gaga's going to introduce the first song." And then me in a room full of 300 people, I went, my faggiest moment at the show, I go, "Lady Gaga?" And then I saw her and then Bobby introduced us at the after party and I was like,

And recently I've said that like, I will not be able to handle meeting her. She was so, so lovely. And then I was, I was like two drinks in and I was like, oh my God, I just had like the fattiest moment of my time here. When, when Lauren said you were coming and I, this is me talking to her in a crowded restaurant, me, me going, and I said, Lady Gaga. And she like, her face kind of twitched and she like looked around.

Because I shouted her name to her face in a crowded room. So I think I've really fucked it up with multiple people. I don't think so. I think that kind of shit endears you more to people than anyone could know. Because the truth is, she was fine. She was fine. And now it's something funny that happened. I told Kelly I would approach her or take steps towards her and start hyperventilating crying.

Like, I don't know. And how good would the Gaga episode of Lost Cult be? I mean... Yeah. I do think she'd be better on Stradio Lab. She'd be better on Stradio Lab. But we'd have a good episode with her. That's my dream. I agree, I agree, I agree. Lightning round, what housewives would you go to space with? Amazing question. I would go to space... Candice. I would go to space with Candice Deepspace. Deepspace. Deepspace.

- I think it could be fun to go to space with Alexia and Marisol. - Oh my God. - I think me, you, Alexia and Marisol. - Yep. We would cut up. - It would be a space party. - Yeah, for sure. - Favorite MILF in culture? - It's Betty. - Have you like grappled with MILFdom?

You know, I've realized, it's a humbling, I think most people are under 30 in this house. It's a humbling moment when you realize the MILF section in porn is your age. Where you're like, wow. Oh my God. Yes. What are you? Anyway. Yeah, but like, can I say like, that happens before you know it. Because we went from twinks to like, to what? Daddy. Yeah. So fast. And now it's like, what?

It's like, I was just a twink. Right. You fully bypassed twunk. There was no twink. It was just weird. Especially when I grow my facial hair out. I look at pictures of myself. I'm like, I guess. Like, it's not ever going to be twink again. My body won't allow it. I tried. Oh, I have this question too. What are your Broadway dream roles? Oh my God. I've told you what I want us to do. I know what I want you to do too.

Book of Mormon? That we should do Book of Mormon. Yeah. The movie version. I think Roxy Velma. No, no, no. Wait, you think Roxy Velma? He's Velma. He's Velma for sure. Okay. So did you know that we once did at the Annoyance Theater in Brooklyn, God rest. God rest. We did a mashup. It was the story. No, it was the music of Chicago to the story of Black Swan.

Henry Kapurski, his ex-boyfriend, was just an angel, a genius, would do these shows where it was a movie soundtracked, like a movie with musical numbers from a different, similar in theme musical. So there was what, like the music of Wicked with something else? - It was Devil Wears Prada. - Devil Wears Prada, yeah. - Wow. - Like the wizard will see you now and the wizard's like, not great.

- Wait, what? - That's the Devil Wears Prada wicked thing. - Totally, totally. - Yeah, but it worked. Like, it was very like, I think I'm Not That Girl was Emily Blunt. - Right. It all kind of tracks pretty neatly. - But I was Mila/Velma and Bowen was Natalie/Roxy. - Oh, so you've done it. - We've done it. - We've done it. - Wow.

But we would love to do it. He's always like, well, you don't always like this, but back in the day, I feel like you used to be like, and we should come out in the beginning. Like, we always want to do like a musical number sometimes at the beginning of our live shows. He's like, and we'll do the hot honey rag. And I was like, I want the confidence you have to think. Well, the hot honey rag, I, when I was 12 years old, when Chicago came out, learned the entire dance from the movie in my basement. I like, I could, it's...

Amazing. So you already had it. I would have had to learn it. And this is another thing. One time, remember when we did that live show in Brooklyn and you were like, and we'll have to start out singing our song by Taylor Swift? Yeah. And it was great. It was great. I didn't know it.

I had to learn it. That's right. That's why I kept singing, our song is a scram and scream door. Scram and scream. Scram and scream door. Was there ever a time in your career of auditioning that you auditioned for musicals? Like went in for big open calls or something? For Broadway? Yeah. Never. I never went. You did. I did.

I did too. And I had no business being there. Yeah, but like, here's the thing. We definitely had business being there, but the environments make you feel fucking crazy. Yes, yeah. There's nothing like sitting on one side of a door and hearing someone with a perfect voice. Yes. Just do it. And you're like, I have to go in now? And I didn't even want to come here. Yeah, right. Yes, totally. Yeah. When are you doing something? No, it's... I...

If I had started voice lessons 10 years ago, I could have Rihanna's range now. Okay, but that's actually huge. You have to hear. No, when I first was auditioning, I had the stoned confidence of a 21-year-old, like, yeah, I'll go in for stuff. And the only time I've ever been fired from something was a musical workshop of the Sylvia Plath musical.

- Were you Miss Plath? - I was the title role of Miss Plath. I did two days of rehearsals and the director called me and she was like, "How do you think it's going?" I was like, "Fully fired." Yeah. And then the last musical I auditioned for was the "Adams Family" musical where I sat in the waiting room listening to people be like, "Ah!" And I went in there and was like, ♪ Maybe I'm amazed at the way ♪

I used to sing Sunday Morning by Maroon 5. Wow. A great song. Kind of similar to Maybe I'm Amazed. It was not the right song for a musical theater. We got fired from a musical improv group. Yes. It was a musical improv group where you had to improvise the lyrics to karaoke tracks, basically. So you would just have to memorize the songs, but then have like...

a grasp on meter and the way syllables fell into like beloved pop songs and make them funny somehow. It was so hard. - And he said that we need to take a class. - And we never did. - You need to take a class. Okay, what's from Mackenzie. What's one thing you wish you could tell yourself from 10 years ago? - Oh my God. That's actually a mosh. - Yeah.

10 years ago 10 years ago so 23 i was i honestly wow i would have just been like not only is it gonna work out but it's gonna like it's gonna blow your mind so just keep going forward and keep having good intentions and trying hard and and and like i would also say don't take for granted the relationships because the relationships are everything you know what i mean like all the amazing people that we've met along the way including each other it's

it's just so incredible to see it all pay off in this way that's perfect. It's just so cool. It's beyond incredible that Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson have Dix the Musical. And I would just say, have fun, follow what you think is fun, and don't be afraid, 'cause it's gonna work out. Just keep going, you know? - Yeah. - I think I would've said to myself,

Oh, God. Like, just don't... Don't, like... Just advocate for yourself or something. Like, I think I still kind of have this weird, like...

I don't have the gene in me that shows up for me. And I feel like it was way worse back then. And I feel like now it's gotten a lot better. But yeah, like 10 years ago. But I also think, and this is going to sound ridiculous, I feel like not that much is different in a way that's really, really nice and beautiful. And I'm like, I'm the...

the essence of us is basically the same, you know? I mean, that's like 10 years ago, that was like even before the podcast started because we started that when we were 26. And I think that,

I also, I never used to think of myself as a comedian because I didn't do stand-up. Like I remember, I think that was something that we shared too. Both of us were like really unsure about where we fit in in the comedy thing because you did improv and like, you know, people have had a future doing improv but it's other things. Right, right, right. I mean, what's the thing? I guess acting. I did sketch like and I was trying to do stand-up. It wasn't really clicking. I didn't know who I was and I think that's

That that's because we were so other like in our comedy community. It's like there was no one who had a career that I could look up to. Like they're like me and they're doing it and like the way I want to do it. I can see myself doing it. So it kind of afforded this nice.

choose your own adventure of like our entire comedy careers to the point where like when we started Las Culturistas, I think that's why it worked is because we weren't trying to be anything but ourselves. Because we didn't see ourselves like working. You know what I mean? Like it didn't really, like who, like where, who, what was the blueprint to follow? Bluepoint. Blueprint. Blueprint. I was just on Long Island drinking beers.

- Today? - Yesterday. - Yesterday. - Yesterday. - I had a pumpkin beer. - His favorite. - I had three, actually. But I think that that sort of wilderness of the entertainment industry and comedy and us literally not fitting in it just allowed us to be ourselves. And so maybe that's something. - Yeah. - Encouraging yourself to go back in time and be like, "Be yourself. It will work." - And this is not me just like jerking us off, but I think

On that note, I think we became this nice mental model for other comedians that we were friends with to be like, "This is a viable pathway for comedy or it's a way for you to at least make some money off of doing comedy where a lot of those opportunities are scant." I think, look, just get two people who are funny.

like on stage to like sit down in front of a microphone and then have like conversations where you listen and you feel like, like listening to Pat and Kat and George and Sam and like everybody, I'm just like, oh, I feel like I'm in the room with them. And like, that's, I think that was a nice, I think, I'm not saying we set the trend. I'm saying we, we,

I think we gave a Bluepoint blueprint for other people. - The I Don't Think So Honey live shows when we were doing them too, like, oh, thanks. But that was one of the first times where we realized,

bring them back so we can really get canceled. I think about ones that have been on the live shows and I'm like, oh my god. But like, that was the first time where like, we got 50 of our peers all up on stage and you would never have seen people on the same bill. Like that, just because of the way that the New York comedy community was at the time and it felt like, not like, oh wow, we did this, but we're a part of this and it's bigger.

you know like yeah so watching the comedy community change and us being involved in that was so special yeah and now it's sort of branched out even further it's like you know you do see so many more people um having opportunities and getting to show off what they can do than you did 10 years ago so maybe that's another thing is like telling that generation of comedians 10 years ago like there's a place for you like like they're gonna listen

Yeah. I feel like everything you guys do, I feel like, how did they know to do that? Like your most recent single. I'm like, that is the most genius, amazing. It's the niches you have created and found are so inspiring. And how amazing to have your friendship and podcast be this touchstone or this thing that you're going to take

I mean, like, you know, my daughter is going to be three and her first best friend, I'm like, "Can Zadie go to college with her?" Like, they must stay together. And hearing you guys on the podcast as your careers explode and your lives happen, it's so wonderful to hear you both be like, "Oh, come on, get over yourself." Or like, "Come on, celebrate yourself," like in the exact same way.

waves that you need to be there for each other and it's just so beautiful to listen to and we all love you so much and it's 805 baby Betty thank you so so much

I just, I mean, thank you so much for doing this. And just from the bottom of our hearts, like everyone, thank you so much for even wanting to come to something like this and for listening to us. You know, whenever anyone comes up on the street and says, I'm a KD or I'm a reader, I'm a publicist or I'm a finalist, bold. But I love the energy.

Huh? A couple of people have said I'm a finalist. Oh, people have identified as a finalist and I go, wow. Whoa. Oh no, I admire it so deeply. Yeah. I really do. But we just love you so very much. What is a finalist but a reader de-cocoon? Yes. That's from WandaVision. That's from WandaVision.

Anytime we meet anyone who listens to the podcast, it's an immediate like, stop. We got to connect with these people because they're the ones who get us. Do you know what I mean? So thank you for coming. It means so, so, so much. Thank you also.

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