“Nota Bene” (w/ Mike Birbiglia)
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And I think that warrants celebration. No, 100%. Like, well, by the way, you know, I have got my Coke Zero in front of me. And of course it says, bro. And that had to be cosmic. Absolutely. I have to tell you, I'm a little distracted because Bone and I were eating something spicy today. And our stomachs are in a place. And I think it put me on a bad mood on a call we just had. And I'm concerned about the way that I came off. I admired you on that call.

I mean, you were sort of like... It wasn't directed at anyone. It was kind of a rallying cry to get the whole team, everyone on this Zoom, on the same page about something. Readers, Katie's publicist, finalist, Kyle's, you know, like, sometimes it's just like you get frustrated and it has to come out. Like, and I don't even...

I don't like being like that. I had a moment like that this morning with you. With me? No, with just the people in the room. Yeah. And I was just like, I was just exasperated. I think sometimes you get to a certain point where you're just like, I have to vent frustrations. And it's hard because like, I feel like my modus operandi every day is like cheerful, want to leave places better than I came in. Yes. And then, but sometimes you get a little human moment and your stomach is hurt from eating something spicy. Yeah. And things are kind of,

like getting to you and you express can I point out something else

Your MO lately has been to say the full modus operandi rather than abbreviating it to MO. Because this is the second time this week that you've said the full modus operandi. And can I tell you, every time I say the expression modus operandi, I'm like, I think this is right. It is. It is right. You know what it means. I actually didn't. I didn't know that MO was modus operandi. Oh, yeah. I just I've literally been thinking of them as two totally different things. I kind of.

I love that for you, that you're saying the full, that you're modus operandi. You're tripling the syllable count. I think it's such a beautiful phrase. It is. Modus operandi. Think about like the peaks and valleys of that. Of course. You know what I want to kind of work in, which is so insufferable, is NB or Notabene.

What does that mean? Like, you know, like when someone writes something and they go NB, as in like, it's like a PS, but it's like within the same paragraph. It's like, I went to the store today, NB, it was crowded. I don't know about NB. No one ever uses NB with me. Well, anyway, that's Latin slash Italian. And we have an Italian legend with us in the room. Truly, it's a Roman Catholic Italian legend. Roman Catholic. We got to talk about... The Pope.

The Pope? The conclave? See, this is why it's fate and karma in the air because we have one of the... We have a scholar on the Catholic Church here. We met a Pope. Met a Pope. Maybe met the last great one. Can I say, though... Now that more and more comes out about Leo. I also... I know that I'm saying this from like a place of like having an upset stomach and also like a little bit ornery because of... You're ornery. I had a thing today. But like...

What the fuck did people expect with the Pope? No, I'm not surprised. It's just like, it's so funny. It's so funny the way that like, Popes are like, ripe for like, literal adulation from like, internet people. Like, oh my God, the new Pope.

It's like, let's all get together and watch the conclave and like, what, then be immediately disappointed. But then you find out that they're Catholic. It's like, can I be real? Like, this is never going to change. Like, you're never going to, the Pope is never going to be like, yeah, I think gay guys should rock the fuck on. That's never what the Pope is going to say. No, but we liked, we liked Francis because he was kind of like, gay guys should rock the fuck on and then still used slurs in a fun way. Literally in a way that made me go, I like him.

Really? Frottagine made me go, that is hilarious. Frottagine. Okay. I thought I forgot about that. That's like almost as beautiful as modus operandi. Absolutely. Well, anyway, our guest is a real legend. Truly. Truly. This

This is his fourth Netflix special. The Good Life. The Good Life. It's really sublime. Might have shed a tear, but that's because I was at serotonin zero when I watched it. And that's exactly where I, the state in which I should have watched. I probably was like, my serotonin probably was a little bit higher than that, but I also cried. Oh, so beautiful. So I mean, like it's, yeah. This is an incredible storyteller. This is a sensitive, amazing man. Cute guy too. Cute guy. Not bad.

Not bad looking at him. Not bad to look at either. Well, don't make his head explode. Everyone, please welcome Mike Bermuda. This is the best introduction to a podcast I've ever received. Was it? Cute guy. Not bad. Not bad? No, that's not.

Hey, hey, you don't say that. Wow, it's great to have a front runner for a title of ep. The one to what is his modus operandi? Operandi, do you see di or di? I guess Latin is di. Di, I think di. I like to get in the Latin in. I like that modus operandi. Can you talk to us about your current modus operandi? My current modus operandi is...

With anything. Mode of working, I guess, is I'm in a writer space right now. I'm writing my next movie. Great. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay, and can you share what stage you're at with it? I'm at the stage of like, I want to film it next spring and I've written drafts of it and I just want to get it to a point where it's an ensemble where all eight characters are like lovely and it's very like Don't Think Twice and we've all talked about Don't Think Twice a bit because it's,

mirrored the NYU improv of life. It did. I mean, that movie, I remember, I told you this when I came on the podcast. I'm sure you guys spoke about it twice as well. Like, it shook me to my core when I first watched it because I was like, I remember it was like, I don't know how you felt. We haven't really talked about that. We hadn't really talked about Don't Think Twice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe because it was a sensitive subject at the time. Yes. But like,

It really scared me. I was like, oh, there's no way I'd be that much of a dick to my friends as the character you play in that movie. I was like, I don't know if this is like a depiction of what our community is really like. And then you go through that experience. You're like, oh, yeah, all sorts of humanity can come out of this.

You know? Yeah, it's like an interesting life experience of like that first time. For me, it was like in my 30s when you realize like life isn't fair. And like not everyone gets the same thing in your group of best friends from college. Exactly. But then as this new film comes,

A lovelier bunch than the Don't Think Twice group, you would say. I think mixed bag. Okay. I think it's a fun ensemble film I'm really excited about. I don't even know if I'm going to be in it. Like, I'm excited to just write and direct. That's sexy. Making movies is so fun. Yeah. And I just love it. I love, I'm obsessed with movies. I think that's my, my Las Culturistas kind of like,

It's like that in love movies. We watch, for example, like we watch Wicked probably seven or eight times. Did you with Una? Una loved it. She's a Wicked head. She would lose her mind if she knew I was here right now. I don't think the kids care about me.

No, she cares and she watches SNL and I think maybe you've been on it as a cake. Is it possible? I have not been on it as a cake. A lot of the SNL folks cross over to it as a cake. But that's huge for her. Yeah. In the same way that it's huge for me because, and can I tell you, the thing that breaks my heart about my summer is that I can't

line up with the shooting dates. Oh, bummer. I'm like, damn it. Oh, interesting. So I guess I gotta, whatever, it's gotta wait. But it's coming back. Oh, it's huge. It's huge. You know who I feel like would connect with kids and clearly he has is Mikey. There's something very infectious about his energy and childlike about it that I think like... To my daughter, Mikey is like my Steve Martin. Oh! I love it.

I love that. Yeah, like sometimes I'll explain to her, I'll be like, so the way you see Mikey is like how I see Steve Martin. And she kind of gets it, I think. You have this joke in the special where when people stop you on the street when she's with you, like a big fan of your comedy, whatever, when they like throw praise at you in passing. Yeah.

You finally asked her one day, like, how does that make you feel when that happens? Can I spoil it? Yeah, yeah. Well, you say it. She goes, it's a waste of my time. Right, but then... And I go, that's the meanest thing anyone's ever said to me. And I know Bill Burr. You know Bill Burr. Great joke. And then someone called me the other day and they go, who's a friend of Bill Burr? And they're like, hey...

I think Bill Burr might have some concerns about that. I'm like, it's a compliment. It's a huge compliment. Does he think he's a sweetheart? I don't know. The reality is he is. I feel like his persona is like, you know, he's a ball buster. Right. That's what I thought. And that's the way it read to me. I misunderstood. No, no. I think...

Let's just, okay, we can just address this here and now. Let's address it here and now. Bill Burr is one of the great sweethearts of the industry. So lovely. The persona is ball buster. I think so. Yeah. Unless I misunderstood all the specials. No, no, no. Well, I think that it's like to an audience watching your special, like I would imagine they watch his specials as well. And the persona is ball buster. So you're speaking to the persona. You're speaking about this person with the, you know,

Well, of course, I overthink everything. So this person says this to me and I go, well, what do you think he'll say? They go, well, he might call you. I go, well, if he calls me, here's what I would say. I would go, if it wasn't your name, it wouldn't get a laugh. Exactly. It's like, that's the meanest thing anyone's ever said to me. And I know Chris Rock. No one would laugh. He doesn't have that persona. They'd be like, wait, is he mean?

Right. Whereas other, yeah. And there's something about the ear hit of Bill Burr, the sound of these. It's got a nice pop pop. Pop pop. But then you say that your daughter, okay, and I believe that your daughter has said to you that that is a waste of, it's a waste of her time whenever that happens. But does she understand that, you know, her dad-

who he is and doing what he does ends up like is the reason why she gets to go to Rome or that he gets to be in a Taylor Swift music video or something like that can you connect to it on that level I'd like to think so but you know it's like I make the joke in this special it's like

My parents were not physically affectionate with me. And like Jenny and I are the opposite, which I'm going to, we'll find out what problem that creates when she's a grownup, right? It's like, you know, you're messing up something and you just try to do your best. I'm starting to see like a micro generation under us. Like we know people, okay, perfect example, friend of the show, Natalie Rotter-Lightman. And then another friend of the show, Celeste Yim says,

The reason they love Natalie so much is because Natalie is someone who is a product of their parents loving them so much. And she's just this wonderful, chill, just like carefree kind of person. And in a way that is like so...

unfettered. And I feel like hopefully that's where Una ends up. I think so. Yeah. I'd like to think so. Like for her to be able to say it's a waste of my time. Hilarious. Yeah. I showed her the trailer the other day. And then this week I'm going to show her some clips. Okay. Kind of easing it. Some of this stuff is a little over age 10. Yeah. You know what I mean? In terms of...

In terms of like heaviness or in terms of… Heaviness, I think. Yes, yes. The stroke stuff is pretty heavy. Yeah. For people listening, like it's about my dad having a stroke and kind of dealing with that. And yeah, it's pretty heavy. Would it play the same in every…

that you would do the show where like, there are these really quick shifts in room tone even, not even just like your tone as a performer, but like the room, a hush falls in the room so quickly and then you immediately break that and it picks back up. But like, did you see the peaks and valleys every time in the same way? It definitely varied and over, you know, over time it's like calibrating how do you signal to the audience that,

quickly that I'm going to say something serious. We're dropping them. Yeah, yeah. And a lot of it is like, honestly, just silence. Like there'll be moments where like I'll just walk stage right and just not say anything for a second. I think at this point, my audience is like,

They kind of know from the old man in the pool and the new one that like that's in there. Yeah. And that's like actually like one of the coolest things about making these shows now is that like it's not out of nowhere. Totally. That there's drama. I feel like the drama in the past was always, I don't know, maybe my memory's bad, but it felt like it like lived a little bit longer. And in this one, it feels like in The Good Life, it feels like it's.

The rhythm, the cadence is like a little bit more contracted in a way that I'm like, oh, this is really interesting. Like you kind of like toggle between them in a quicker way. Thanks. Does it feel like that? Yeah. I think part of it is my other shows were about kind of pain that I experienced in the past. And this one for the first time is about pain I'm experiencing in my present. My dad is like still hanging on after having a stroke 15 months ago. It's like,

It's devastating. Like it's like every week, it's just really, really hard. And we have moments, right? It's like, I talk about that in the specials, like going to celebrate his 84th birthday was beautifully surrounded by his children and his grandchildren. And like, I gave him rosary beads from the Vatican that the, that the last Pope blessed. And it's like,

I mean, I'm hoping that that's the rawness of it is what connects with people. And you guys were saying like, you're a little choked up from it. It's like, I want that to be the case. I think like,

I think for me, like the comedy that I connect to most, and that's why I was saying like movies is my like love language of like my culturista is like, movies I think do that really well. Like James L. Brooks movies or like even this weekend, like we were watching, because it's on Netflix now, because Four Seasons, Tina Fey's great series. The original one? We watched the original this weekend. I'm just so choked up. Something about those 70s movies is,

That like wrecks me. Yeah. What's your favorite James L. Brooks? Broadcast News. Absolutely. And then in terms of endearment, probably a close number two. Terms is wild. So I have a question though, because you talk about like how there wasn't a lot of affection from your parents. Like, were you always someone? I have two questions. One, you went to Georgetown, right? Yeah. Do you think if your parents had hugged you more, you still would have gone to Georgetown? No. Probably not, right? Right. So that, thank you for answering that question so well.

Put for thought out there. And another thing is, were you always seeking out emotional outlets as a kid? Or did you arrive at wanting connections with emotional films and media a little bit later because you felt maybe delayed or lacking in that? I think I found it.

When I was a kid, I would write like poems and songs. Like I have these ridiculous, like a joke book, a poem book, a song book. And they might, you know, I still have them all and they're ridiculous. And I had no real outlet for it. I did a little theater in high school. And when I went to college, I auditioned for the improv group and I didn't know what improv was. And then I was like, I'm all in on this. And yeah,

So that became my entire existence. And that was, yeah. And it kind of weirdly still is. Yes. Like lately, I've been improvising with the PDD boys over at UCB. And like, it's my most joy outside of being with my family. Yeah. They love it. It's so fun. I'm a bad friend and I have yet to be at one of those. But they've asked me multiple times to do it. Of course.

We would love both of you to come. Let's do it. You guys got to come improvise. It's so fun. We've been doing it recently with Josh Sharpener and Jackson. It's so fun. I'm afraid of that one. No, don't be afraid. But it's too, I feel like the bell house is too big. It's actually great. They might do.

So it's like, that feels weird for a second, but then it kind of becomes part of the bit. The thing with them and the thing with like, I feel like it's got to be with PDD too, because there are such little joy bubbles, I feel. Like, is it's like, you immediately feel so comfortable and taken care of. And I think that what was stressing me out when I was like doing improv and even doing comedy at large when I was younger is I always felt like I had something to prove. And I was incapable of convincing

clearing the mind and just saying yes and listening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you're so concerned about what you say being funny or good or smart or worthwhile that like you need to be, you either need time to understand how to do that or you need to be comfortable right at the jump. And they make, now that I think time has passed and I understand what comedy is and they make me so comfortable, it's like a perfect situation. I think part of it is, well, first of all, I love those guys. I love Dexter musical.

You're great. Thank you. Second of all, I think part of it is you're right. Like, I think when you get older, you start to trust what the wisdom of the art form is or anything. Like, literally, like, I played tennis recently. I'm like, I think I'm better than I was, like, in high school when I played. Because you give less of a fuck. Yeah. Because do you want to know why? There's nothing, there's no one that's going to tell you, hey, you did a bad job and we were counting on you.

That's right. No, that's so true. I mean, it's literally, it's like, it's funny because I did a lot of team sports when I was growing up. I was a big athlete. And then I didn't want to do that anymore. And so I went to college and all of a sudden it was like, oh, get on the improv or sketch team or like take classes at UCB where it was unfortunately, uh,

a team sport and you could disappoint people. And when you're like, when you're at that age and you've got your hangups and stuff, disappointing people is the top of the list that would suck. Yeah, even, because in high school, was it like a team structure? Was it like a ladder or something in tennis? Yeah, yeah. Because you had, because you had like a wrestling thing too. Wrestling, tennis, and soccer. Those were my high school sports.

And in all those situations, it's just, there are so many opportunities for someone to be like, hey, you're not good at this. Or just making you feel that way. No, 100%. And also, I think you, most people, me, I didn't have the presence of mind in high school to be like, they're right. I should relax. Mm-hmm.

You know what I mean? Like when you get older, you're like, no, no, you should relax. Yeah. Like that's how you do things well. You can't tell a teenager or a young person to chill out. No, they don't have to. They can't do it. Yeah. It's like they haven't experienced enough life to not know that it's end all be all. Right. That's why it's so weird when you see someone who's like,

15 years old and they're like amazing at a thing. Yes. And you're like, who told you? But you know, they make it. How'd you know? They're so fucked up later in life though. That's why I love like Queen's Gambit though. Like I was watching that recently for the first time late to the party. It's so good. It's fun to watch

a prodigy. Yeah. Even though it's fake. It's fun to watch like, oh, what would that be like if you were a prodigy? Right. You'd get addicted to drugs. I guess that's one of the few pieces of media where it does depict the full arc of prodigy and then it all falls apart. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then comes together.

And then comes together, which is best case scenario. Thank God. Thank God. It's also really interesting because different adults' relationship to her power and success, it's very good at exploring that as well. You know what I mean? Like her adopted mother and then all the things that go on with...

Yes. Yeah. Really, that actually was way better at, it was about so much more than that one situation. Like all great art. Well, that made me think to watch my daughter searching for Bobby Fischer the other day.

I've never seen. Oh, wow. It's a great one. Yeah. And then the other day for my daughter's 10th birthday, five person sleepover and they watch Clueless. Oh, heaven. Had they never seen it? No, some of them had, some of them hadn't. Did they like it? What do they think? I think they loved it. Oh, good. Oh, that makes me so happy to hear because I'm like, does this, will the, because one of my curiosities is, will this work on a younger, a way younger generation? Yeah. Yeah.

I'm so glad to hear that it has or that it might. Yeah, they seem pretty happy. I think it will. We want to know why because what makes that movie work so well is that

It's a shared language in the movie that you may not understand, but they understand it so well. And the fantasy is so fun. It's such a fun world. Yeah, it really is. There's definitely some things over the kids' heads. Sure. I remember watching it the first time and being like, I remember the moment. I was in an Astrovan on a road trip with my parents. And you know how they put the big TV in the back of the Astrovan? So me and my sister, I was, I think I was nine.

nine and she was six and we watched Clueless and it ended and we both just stared at the screen and I said I don't know if I vocalized this but I was like it was something to the effect of like I think I loved that and my sister who's six goes me too I want to watch it again right now oh wow you know what and it's speaking to what you just said about it's visually so fun they're so confident doing it yeah it feels like

It still feels, after it's tried to be copied so many times, it feels like it's doing its own thing. And also Alicia Silverstone just in like a magical period. Yeah. Like something, sometimes stars are having, like Val Kilmer is a good example. He passed away recently. You look at like real genius. You just go, I don't know what was going on. But something was. Something was happening. Yeah. With Val Kilmer. And that movie is like magic. Who is that person? Yeah. Yeah.

It's so aligned with the era. Yeah, it's when a performer is aligned with the era, but I mean... Well, it's like Tom Cruise, like, risky business. Yeah. He's like, I don't know what you're doing. Yeah. But I would say Lindsay Lohan, too. I was just going to say Lindsay. Lindsay Lohan, yeah. And, like, who else? Winona Ryder. Winona. For, like, a longer period. That was, like, a five, six-year period, but I was just... Parent trap Lindsay Lohan is fantastic. My daughter loves that. Oh, my God. The best. Yeah. Yeah.

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Have you seen this play? John Proctor is the villain. I've heard this is wonderful. I wanted to make sure I brought it in today and they can even use this. It's about a classroom in high school in 2018 who is reading The Crucible under new eyes amidst me too and everything. It's fantastic. Oh, we'll go see it for sure. But it got me in a Winona Ryder wormhole. Oh, sure. Because she was one of the best Abigail Williamses in The Crucible. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Winona Ryder's another one. Yes. Magical in that era. Yeah. Like,

tethers. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Tethers. Age of Innocence. This is the thing I always have to remind myself about living in New York. Sometimes with New York, you're like, all right, it's too many people. This is just too many people. But then you go see a show like that and you go, oh, right. Like we went for Una's birthday to see Wicked after she's in the movie seven times and I'm just like,

losing it, crying, dancing through life just like, oof. That ending. Unbelievable. Gets me. Gets me. But wait, you're saying there's too many people in New York and therefore you don't want to go and do things. We want to go to the theater. Exactly. We want to take advantage of what we have. I know. Do it. Do it. Because honestly, I'm on my kick again right now. Obviously, it's like Tony sees it. Well, now you have more time. Now I have time. Soon.

but, and I'm seeing a lot and I try to only come here with like the highlights because I see a lot. So I just saw maybe happy ending, which was amazing. And this John Proctor is the villain is my favorite thing I've seen in quite some time. Yeah. It's, it's, and Sadie Sink is the star and I'm like,

really excited that she used her star power from Stranger Things to highlight something like this. Oh, that's great. The playwright is Kimberly Bellflower. She's amazing. Friends of Josh Repenier and Jackson. Yes, yes, yes. And the whole cast is fantastic. It's just...

It's really, I thought at first when I saw it marketed, it looked like Girlboss The Crucible. And I was like, okay, interesting. Which we would still gladly see. You know what I'm saying? But you never know what mainstream theater is going to do. Of course. But they've been impressing me every time I've gone out lately. I'm just really excited about what's on stage in New York. I love Good Night and Good Luck.

I thought it was fantastic. What else? What else is up right now? I should see. I'm not the person to ask. This is your guy. But now that I've got time. I've said the things I love. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get you. Read the subtext. Read the subtext. Are you pre-dreading the questions you'll be asked about the Pope and about how this special kind of presciently focuses on the Pope pre-publishing?

pre-election. Yeah, it's like, it was like a year ago, Jim Gaffigan calls me, who was on behalf of Stephen Colbert, asking me to go meet the puppet. I was very torn. I was an older boy as a kid. And, you know, in the 80s, like Spotlight, you know, what Spotlight was about. Literally in Boston. Yeah, yeah. In Massachusetts. Massachusetts, Massachusetts. That was a movie that

Tom McCarthy's movie Spotlight that hit me so hard. Of course. Incredible movie. Wow. But like, yeah, so I've always had like deep concerns about the Catholic Church and I've thought about it and ultimately it was just like, this is very important to my parents. Like they raised me Catholic. My mom went to Latin Mass when she was a kid, like pre-Vatican II Catholic Church. And so I knew like, and they were going through a hard time and I was just like, okay, I'm going to go.

And there's an odd synchronicity. Pope Francis's real name was Bergoglio. My last name is Birgoglio. Oh. And yeah, so. You make a joke that's like, he just kind of like Googled himself or something? Or no, he just looked at a list? Yeah, he just Googled comedian. He's like, this is Birgoglio. I'm Birgoglio. It's my long and last cousin. He's got to come. He's got to be here. We got to make sure he's in the room. But, you know, as far as popes go, he was pretty good. I thought so. Right? Yeah.

And yeah, he busts gay couples and he was open. This is what Whoopi Goldberg pointed out because she was one of the people who was there with us. She was a big fan of Pope Francis. He welcomed divorced couples back into the church. I was like, we weren't welcoming divorced couples. I'm like, what? I did not get the memo on that one. But then when I was there, there was a lot of talk with the insiders of like,

we're a little worried that it might be a conservative Pope. Yeah. Because the international side of the church is sometimes very much more conservative than Pope Francis was. Right. And so to your point earlier of like this new Pope Leo, it's like,

It's like, yes, there's things you can criticize, but also we dodged a bullet of like, that we got the Trump of popes. Right, right, right. You know what I mean? It could have been that. Could have been like, could have been worse. Bananas. Sure, sure, sure. Then we retract what we've said about Pope Leo. That's the first thing I was going to ask you to do. Please retract. I have really strong feelings about this. No, I know almost nothing about the Pope Leo guy. I mean, all I know is with the way that queer media was created,

up in arms about him being, not up in arms, but you know what I mean? Like people had something to say and expressing disappointment about him saying that marriage is between a man and a woman. And unfortunately, I would remind those people, this is the Catholic church. Like it's kind of, that's what, that's their modus operandi. It's their modus operandi. So it's like, I don't know. Maybe I was more irritated at it being

like a news item. Yeah. Here's my take on all major world religions because I like to disrespect all religions equally. Yeah. Is...

I think a summit. We could have it. The three of us could call a summit. Let's do it. All the major world religions. We'd like to talk about sexuality and gender. How do you feel about gay people? How do you feel about women? Yeah. Just like open forum. Let's talk about it. Make a reality show. Put it on a fucking record. Uh-huh. You know what I mean?

But if that's how you feel, put it on the record in front of all these people and we're going to talk about it. Because I think it's weird that we have this vague thing like, this is kind of homophobic. This is, you know, this is sexist. They don't let women be priests. They kind of do, but only sometimes. Sometimes in Europe, it's okay, whatever. And I'm like, no, no, let's have a summit.

Yeah, let's all say how we feel. And then put that on a one sheet. You know what I mean? Put it on a Google Doc. Put it on a Google Doc and then have lead PR and IDPR send that out. Yeah, IDPR get involved. Get involved and send that out to Condé Nast and Hearst. Yeah, I agree. No, because I'm sick of people who are religious, of any religion. Yeah. I'm like, no, no, our religion's okay with women. I'm like, well, I've heard some things. Yeah, right.

You know what I mean? It's like, we're okay with the game. Well, I've heard some things actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess it's like if anyone did gymnastics, you know, enough, like you could justify anything. Like I understand that people find, you know, a lot of peace and solace and, you know, community and these types of things. But it's like, let's just not pretend they're not what they are. Yeah, I mean, every religion is a structure of, is structured meaning. And then people like say,

seek out meaning in religion and then they just have to like reconcile how much of themselves is compatible with like that meaning. I'm being so general. There actually is a good, there's a really good documentary about the Pope Francis who passed away called Pope Francis, the man of his word. And it's interesting because he actually did like meet with a lot of different religious world leaders of other religions. And I do think that that,

is at the moment we're in a world history, like I never talk about this shit, but like, but like, that's what we should do. I think the religion should be that because it's like, they have more in common than not. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you look at all the religions that are arguing with each other. It's like, no, no, you all believe the same kind of fake thing. Totally. Like, and no offense, like maybe it's fake, maybe it's not, but who cares? But it's very similar.

What you guys believe in is very similar, right? Of course. Maybe we'll get on the same page about like human rights. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I don't know. Just an idea. Yeah. Mike for Bigley Inn. We have to ask you the question of our podcast. We've sort of been dancing around it in several ways, I think. But Mike, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? Okay. Yeah.

Since I already covered my epiphany of auditioning for an impromptu, it's the movie Jerry Maguire. Oh, wow. Because when it came out,

Loved it. Yeah. And it made me feel a thing. Yes. And then I went and studied screenwriting at Georgetown and my professor, John Glavin, taught it like it was a text. Yeah. Like it was a book in a class. We read the script. We watched the movie. We broke down the beats. And I started to understand like, oh, this is not magic. And this is not just a popcorn movie. No.

No. Like, that's the thing is like, even Wicked is another example. It's like, it's a popcorn movie. A lot of people bought tickets to it, but it's really meaningful. Like, I cried during it. I cried during Jerry Maguire. Like, I take the stigma away from movies that are popular, but make you feel something. Like, that's a great feat. Ah,

I'm so glad you said that. Yeah, he has formative stuff. I have formative stuff with Jerry Maguire. Do you really? One of the first movies we got from Blockbuster, I think. Yeah. Way too young to be watching it. Yeah, sure. Because watching Tom Cruise fuck Kelly. Kelly Preston. Kelly Preston's brain goes out. Oh my God, yes. I was like. Don't ever stop fucking me is what she said. Don't ever stop fucking me. Shit.

And then later, they're just like post-court as eat, like, no, no, no. You know, like eating something. Eating strawberries. No, no, no. She like dismounts them. She goes, I'm going to get some fruit. It's like a tight close-up, tight single on Kelly Preston. So crazy. Wait, yeah, but that movie made me, yeah. Kind of a perfect movie. A perfect movie. In many ways. And also, you know what? I was just thinking so many elements come together to make it good. Like the song Secret Garden by Bruce Springsteen. Oh my gosh. Fuck off.

I know. That song is so... You're right. How about when on the radio they would play that song with clips of dialogue from the movie? Oh, you had me at hello. Come on. Literally, I would be listening to like whatever radio station, 106.1 BLI.

when I was younger. And like, they would play Secret Garden with Renee doing it. And they also did that for Sometimes My Heart Will Go On and Titanic. Yes, yes, yes. There was certain movies they did this with and it was always those like emotional peaks of the movie that created lore.

Yeah. And this is a time too when I feel like soundtracking was speaking to movies in such a specific way. You know what I mean? Like it would, like I remember having like the City of Angels soundtrack because I was like,

You remember the image of her, Meg Ryan, riding the bike with her arms out like this. It's like there was... That you kind of need music to evoke. Do they still do that? I was going to say... Barbie was the most significant... Oh, yes. Barbie did that. I think... Oh, that song's great. So good. So many of the songs are great. But I was going to say the last time...

that like, maybe I'm, maybe I'm misremembering this, but I feel like with Star is Born, when they would play either shallow or like always remember us this way, they would cut in some bits from Star is Born. It was like, there was a, you could listen to like the radio version of shallow or there was like a movie version and,

you know what you're thinking of is at the end when it's I'll Never Fall In Love Again, they sometimes will, at the end, she's like singing the last chorus and then they'll cut to him doing it from the movie. Yeah. And that was, which is what it is in the movie. It's

She doesn't, because there's a version of that song where she literally just belts her tits off for the last remainder of it and it ends like one of those ballads does. But then the movie just literally cuts to him finishing the song and then it's back with her crying. Yeah, it's amazing. The other thing about Jerry Maguire is like it has a love story that's not perfect. No. It's kind of beautiful. It is beautiful. Because you're just like at the end you go, well, maybe they shouldn't be together. I don't even know. Yeah. And you're like, that's kind of sweet.

Like they're taking the leap together. Of course. And talk about the other kind of, unless it's hard to capture with language, like talk about the magic that you felt watching it growing up that like was dispelled once you got to college. The magic was...

I'm laughing. It's the thing that I try to achieve in my shows. It's like, I'm laughing, I'm crying, I'm feeling emotions. And then somehow you just think because it's a quote unquote popular movie, popcorn movie, you're just like, well, that's not important. Oh, it's so important. I know. It drives me crazy when cultural things that are great are viewed as not important.

Because snobs come in? Yeah, and you know, great example. Wicked, the original Broadway production. People always say this. They're like, you know, it's been running for what, 20 years or whatever? It's like the first reviews were like snobby. They're like, it's not that good. And it's like, well, actually let the audiences decide. Yeah, yeah. Because audiences are crushed by it. Yeah. I am crushed at the production of Wicked. I'm just like crying. My wife and I were crying and crying.

our daughter was just like, great. You know what I mean? I'll never forget. No, she loved it. She loved it, but not like that. But not like that. Well, also because not for nothing, but she doesn't... She's not old enough yet to understand maybe why it's... I think that young girls...

obviously respond to that movie because of friendship and because of, you know, what it feels like to feel outcast or to accept someone and to really work hard on, you know, proving loyalty and like that. All those things are really beautiful. And I think that's why young girls love it. But also like when I saw with my parents, I took my dad and my mom to it. I saw it five times as well. Yeah.

you know, bias aside, like I also fucking love the movie. Yeah. And I turned to my dad and I was like, well, it's about fascism. And he was like, and he just sat there and he was like,

Yeah, it is. And I think that that is something that's like, I love that. Also part of it for an adult man is it's like, wow, like this movie is literally about speaking truth to power and paying for it. She, she's just an example of someone who is not strong enough and is not willing to make the sacrifice. Right. But then she does in the end. She does in the end, but in specific,

Specifically talking about that moment of defying gravity, it's like, I'm sorry. I cannot give up all the things that make me me to join you even if I know it's right. Right. And that she is in process because she's been so protected and privileged. Yeah. And it's going to take a while and she's going to have to lose real stuff. Yes. Spoiler alert for Act 2 for her to do those things. And even then, she doesn't really do it publicly. Right.

You know what I'm saying? No, no, of course. So that is complicated shit for an adult and it's,

It is very moving. It is. And it's not... And by the way, it's not dissimilar to the thing I'm saying. It connects me with Jerry Maguire. The imperfection. Yes, yes. The drawing out of the imperfection of just being alive. Right. And how nothing is cut and dry. And Tom Cruise has never looked better. Never looked better also. Yeah. I mean, here's what I'll say. Fucking Rene. Rene. Unbelievable. I think Rene is...

The reason why it's iconic. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Not even just because of her line deliveries, which are spectacular. It's just, it's an example of perfect casting. Yeah. The first kiss thing, and he's like, snaps her bra by accident. He laughs in his charming Tom Cruise way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to watch that tonight. It's perfect. You've really influenced me. Jenny and I have, my wife and I, Jen's a poet, and we both have this obsessive thing with movies, which is,

Great movies are like songs. You can watch them over and over again, and there's something peaceful about it. Yeah. It changes your parameters as you're consuming this. Yeah. Thelma and Louise. It's not lost on me. I'm wearing the shirt that I got at a vintage. This is one of my favorite movies, Thelma and Louise. And it's the same thing. Same thing. And also there's this, which they don't do in movies that much anymore, where they'll end it on a real curveball that makes it art. Yes.

You know what I mean? Like, I feel like there's something non-traditional and weird about her stopping him in the middle of his sentence to be like, stop doing the proclamation. You had me at hello. Right. You know what I mean? And also, like you said, maybe they shouldn't be doing this. Like their relationship's been a little toxic. Yeah.

But it's like, but they're going to try anyway. And in this movie, Thelma and Louise, obviously spoilers. But if you're listening to this podcast, you probably understand they choose to die. They would rather drive off a cliff together than get caught. And so I remember when the movie- It's punk rock. It is. And also it's just, it's not, it's clearly ignoring-

what I'm sure our studio knows. 100%. You know. And by the way, they probably shot it both ways. Probably. They probably shot it without them going off the cliff. Yeah. Or I don't know. Maybe it's a good question. We should find that out. Yeah. But you know, this is making me realize it's like,

You're saying like, what's the epiphany thing for me in culture? The other one was maybe Say Anything, which is another Cameron Crowe movie. Because I saw Say Anything when I was a kid. And I remember quoting it with Michael Cavanaugh, my best friend, like back and forth and doing this, you know, the boombox in the air. And we were like 10. Yeah.

I mean, Cameron Crowe was going to come up here and say, Elizabeth town underrated movie. I love Elizabeth. I love this. I love that. I think it's so, I think Elizabeth town's great. I think almost famous is fantastic. Of course. Of course. That's just, that's really, that's quite a good. And also he wrote a fast times.

Oh, he did. He wrote it. He didn't direct it. Oh, got it, got it, got it. And I think Fast Times is a classic. Classic. There's something... Wasn't Fast Times Amy Heckerling? I think she directed it. Yeah. She did Clueless. There you go. Yeah, so all these movies, it's like there's stuff about them that Bowen uses this wonderful word, serrates them, that makes them memorable. A little bit. Literally just reference the edges. You know what I mean? Just like a little bit askew. Totally. Slightly off.

No, completely. Like even like, for example, like even in Clueless, like you watch that movie and you see the way they're dressed and you think, oh, the early 90s. No, they were dressed like badly and stupidly. Yeah. Even for that time. But it's like, it's like, that's not how they dressed at Beverly Hills High School. I don't think. But like, but it's, but it's,

It's overdrawn and makes you remember it. You'll never forget seeing her in that yellow... It wasn't Vivian Westwood. It couldn't have been. But it feels like it might have... It feels like it speaks in that world. I can't say what designer it was. But there's this stuff that you go out of your way. You have to go out of your way to make it memorable and iconic. This, the Say Anything thing, is like, who holds a boombox like that? It doesn't move. No one. But it made it iconic. Drama. It's so good. It's

It's crazy. And then the other ones, I mean, like, I'm obsessed with that whole...

70s, 80s movies, E.T. is like that. Just like I could watch it over and over again. It's super emotional. You watch E.T. now, it's like it's an indie film. Right. You know what I mean? It was like the biggest blockbuster movie. Absolutely. That feels like an indie. Jaws feels like an indie film. Oh, Jaws is, it's unbelievable that that's as huge of a blockbuster as it is because of how slow moving it is. It's slow. There's this great story about the director who...

who did Paper Moon Bogdanovich he runs Peter Bogdanovich runs into runs into Spielberg at like the Boston like Logan Airport and Spielberg had just shot on Martha's Vineyard and shot Jaws and he's like how did it go and he was just like

there's a shark, it's a disaster, we don't have the movie. You know what I mean? It's just like one of those funny stories where like they leave the movie set thinking they don't have it. Yeah, right, right, right, right, right. They were like, well, this was a huge catastrophe. And I think they found it a lot in post. In editing.

And then it changed the movie industry. Yeah. I mean, we had that with Don't Think Twice to some degree. You know, there's that speech where Chris Gathard goes, I think your 20s are about hope and your 30s are about realizing how dumb it was to hope. We added that in post because Ira Glass, one of our producers, we were watching the movie and he goes, the audience doesn't get when we show cuts to people, they don't get that they know they're losers. Right.

Or they know they're underdogs. The characters. The characters know they're underdogs. And so we did a screening at NPR downtown. And these two ladies got up and they were like, it was a feedback screening in the early cut. And they go, we don't like it. And you go, why don't you like it? Ira goes, why don't you like it?

they're losers. And what was so funny, we went back to the edit and we're like, they're losers, they're losers. But like, how come we think it's funny that they're losers, but they know it? And it's like, oh, we haven't, the characters haven't acknowledged it. They know what they are. And so we're like, what if we shot a scene where they're packing up and they're moving out of the theater and Chris Gethard goes, your 20s are about hope and your 30s are about realizing how dumb it was to hope.

changed the whole screening. It's a great line. Isn't it great? Yeah. But also such a smart way to convey all of that. That's a lot to communicate and you did it all in that one scene. Thanks. It's a funny thing like even writing my movie right now that I'm writing it's like you really have to toe the line between how much do the characters get what's funny about them. That's a really interesting idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like Gilmore Girls is like that super witty. Right. Totally. They're in on it.

But they're almost not. Exactly. They know that they're codependent or whatever, and yet, to what extent? Yes. Or something. It's like a really interesting thing that you bring up that these women were like, we don't like the movie because they're losers. Yeah. Because I actually think one of the things about Don't Think Twice that shook me to my core so much when I watched it, and...

now I see it. I see it now looking back and I fucking love the movie and appreciate it in a way I didn't at the time because I felt so defensive. Yeah. Because I think your movie, Don't Think Twice, it really makes you think about yourself. Especially if you were doing comedy in that time. Yes. Doing improv and yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I just remember thinking like, this is,

a mean depiction of our community. And I couldn't believe that your character, I'm going to use an explicit word that upsets people, but your character calls Tammy Sager's character a cunt. And I remember I was just like, I can't believe. But now I think that that was such a brave, bold thing to do, weirdly enough, because it really showed...

and envy and in like a very abject, painful, personal way. Yeah. And I'm not saying that like anyone that we knew or even us went as far or as shallow as any of this. I'm just saying that like it's an incredibly intense

situation that you're depicting because it's kind of like being a kid and not knowing that the world is bigger when you are confronted with what you assume is the only job in the world for you and it doesn't go that well it's about everything else everything else breaks down yeah and friendship's so intense like when I was writing that movie I was hosting a Q&A with Noah Baumbach for the movie While We're Young I think it was or maybe it was Francis Ha I forget and

I said to him, I'm writing this movie about an improv group and their best friends. One of them gets on SNL and the rest of them don't. I go, but the people giving me notes are like, the stakes aren't high enough. What are they talking about? And he goes, and that was the funniest thing because it's depicted, you know, indicative of all of his movies. He goes, there's no stakes higher than friendship. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that great? That's great. Yeah. Yeah.

As we just sit here and say the word yeah 50 times. But it's… I want this to be our engagement of a deeper friendship between the three of us. Yes. Because I feel like whenever I see you guys, whenever we run into each other, it's like, I think there's love. There is love. But I'm like…

We should spend more time together. Well, you are good with the gays. Oh, yeah. Love the gays. You know, he is old friends with Jordan Nardino. Really? Did you know that? He was one of my closest high school and college friends. Really? Wait. Massachusetts? Jordan? California to Massachusetts. Yeah. Yeah. Jordan's amazing. He's a great writer. He's a great writer. He and I were in that same screenwriting class in college.

Oh, really? We were close friends in high school. And then he came to visit me when I was in college. He was at Tufts. And then he was just like, I just want to go here. Yeah. And so we transferred. We went to college together. Yeah. He wanted to go to Georgetown. That's a lot of not hugs. That's a lot of not hugs. That's a real question number 30. You wanted to go to Georgetown? That's a lot of not hugs.

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I was going to say, you and I got very different amounts of hugs growing up, I would say. Oh, really? And we both ended up at the same school. At the same school, yeah. NYU was different. But I think we were both there for different traumas. That's right. Not related to hugging or not hugging. But I think that something that's...

so clear is like, it's good that you hug your daughter a lot. And I don't want you to think about it. Because I think what you're doing is you're teaching her what real love is. Right. And a lot of people have,

And something I don't think I understand because I'm privileged to genuinely know what real love is because my parents have always shown me real love and have always been very good with me in terms of that is a lot of people just don't baseline know that. They don't baseline know what it really is to be cared for and to have someone at the end of the day that's going to say, I love you. And I think that...

I didn't realize that was such a privilege. Yeah, it's crucial. You know what I'm saying? No, no, I totally agree. Until I was, you know, having like conflicts with people later in life or, you know, things work out, don't work out, whatever, with different people and you're just realizing, oh, I'm operating with a different emotional deck. Yes. And thank God.

No, you're right. It's funny when you, yeah, if you get into like a petty disagreement with somebody and sometimes they go so hard on it and you have to step back and just be like, no, no, no, we're all just doing our best. Right. You know, but yeah, I agree with you. Like it's, yeah, no, it's definitely more, better to love more than less. Right. And even in the moments in the special, I'll say where you're like,

a huge part of my life is going to children's birthday parties. I get a 200 or 300 a year. It's like, ooh, and I can grow up and hear that and think, oh, like my dad is making, is like exasperated by this thing that he had to do for me. And he's,

is that something resentful? But no, even in that, you're like, I do this thing. I show up for my daughter. Right. And it's this thing that I can joke about hating because it'll make this room full of people and adults laugh. Yeah. She can, I think it is so clear what that message is to her, which is my dad loves me. He takes me to these birthday parties. Yeah. I had to talk through a joke with her the other day that was in the special because it's going to be seen by a lot of people. And, you know, I had to be like, because there's this joke where I say, She doesn't have it? Yeah. Yeah.

Explain that to them. Because I remember listening to it, I was like, oh, that's a pretty rough joke for my daughter. So I said to her, I go, there's this joke, and I say, my wife and I went to our daughter's ballet recital, and we're in the audience crying, crying, because she doesn't have it. No.

And then I go, no, we're crying because we spent thousands of dollars on the lessons and hundreds of hours going to the rehearsal and she's not going pro. And then I go, no, no, no, we're crying for the right reasons. And then afterwards, I'm squeezing her and I go, Una, you were so fantastic. And she said to me, it's true to life. She goes,

Dad, you would say I was fantastic even if I wasn't fantastic. And I said, that is so true. You are so much better at logic than you are at ballet. Right. I left out that last part. I'm going to save that to when she's 15 and she tells me I'm garbage. And I'm going to say, I had some candid thoughts about you as well when you were seven that I withheld out of respect, but I did share with a group of strangers at the Beacon Theater. But I explained it to Una in relation to

I go, sometimes jokes are something that is true and then something that is the opposite of true or completely not true or a variation on true. And...

The show, the special that I wrote is a series of things where it's like true, not true, true, not true, true, silly, true, silly. And at the end of the movie or then I sometimes I call it movies. Yeah. At the end of the show, it lands on true. And because it lands on true, I think the audience knows, oh, OK, this person's in earnest.

Yeah, and the true thing about this special is the way a parent loves their child. Yes. And understanding my dad after he's had a stroke and realizing when his defenses are down and he doesn't have the anger that he had before the stroke that...

I do think like he meant well. Of course. That is a whole can of worms. It's a lot. Especially because, you know, men as they get older and the estrogen creep up. You know what I mean? Like it's, they get more emotional. I think they get more contemplative. And I think it's just harder for men to look back on being men. Yeah. Like, because so much of it is just...

Not cruel, but it's rough and it's speaking to this idea of what a man is, which can never really be justified in the way that we accepted it for such a long time. But I think that's really hard for men as they get older, as they look back and they have regrets about trying to attain that idea of what it means to be a man and a dad and all those things. And I've had a couple emotional moments

conversations with my dad about, you know, one time it was after we taped my special and he was expressing, I think we had had a few drinks and he was expressing some regrets about, you know,

whatever, like having a gay son and not feeling like you didn't get it right. And I had to like tell him, I was like, you got to let yourself off the hook because nothing you ever did was because you didn't love me. You were trying your best. That's beautiful. And like, and it is a moment that I think I'm, I'm obviously very happy I had and I, and I will have, can continue to have because of that moment. Yeah. But it's really hard, like men relating to each other in that type of way. That's why I think it's so beautiful that like you have that like

open channel with your child because it's like it takes some people a really long time. And I always heard I love you from my dad. I always heard proud of you. I always heard those things. But it's just interesting. As men get older, it can be uncomfortable to have those types of conversations. Even just when you put your hand on his shoulder and rub his shoulder, that probably took a lot. Took a lot. Yeah, but those are really...

Those are so important because what if you didn't? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. We talked about that when you were on my podcast a lot with your parents because you had the challenging stuff, which I really hope you should do a solo show someday. We'll see. Yeah. Do you think that might happen? There's definitely, I mean, I did even do one at the pit underground. Yeah.

such a jumbled mess of a show. I don't even know what I was trying to do with it, but there's something there for sure. I just am still making sense of it, and we're still talking about it as a family, and it's all okay. It's all true. Do they say, I'm proud of you? Now they do. Do they? Now they do, but it took them a while, and they came to the show a few weeks ago, and

I took them out for Mother's Day. That's sweet. We have a lovely time now. I also want to say, your show was not a mess. It was not a mess. You were just in process. You were so in process in the feelings. It's kind of like what we were saying last week about like Marsha P. Johnson not having correct recollection of Stonewall because she was Stonewall. It's like you were literally going through that. I was the pit. You were the pit. I was the pit on Stonewall.

No, you were all those experiences and emotions at the time. So of course you weren't going to create like, you know, especially you with a high bar for yourself feels like cohesive, salient art about this thing that you were like enduring. That was me squarely in the zone of what Ira Glass talks about, which is there's that gap between like the taste that you have and like what you can accomplish as someone who makes things. And so anyway. When I remember doing a compote,

completely messy version of Sleepwalk With Me, my first solo show, which eventually years later was off Broadway. And Nathan Lane presented it and it was just a really beautiful thing that I was lucky enough to do. And I made the movie. And I made the movie. And it was, but the first versions of it at UCB were so rough.

Because it was like me just being like, here's this breakup I had. And like the emotions are so raw. And I've been sleepwalking. And it's a metaphor for this. Like I was so on the nose. And then I remember like the artistic director at the time pulled me aside and he was like, hey, um...

I think you should see Demetri Martin's show. Like, you should do more, like, jokes. Was this Anthony King? Who was this? No, it was the one before. I can say he's a great guy, Owen Burke. And I feel like we've talked about this since then, and he's like, you figured it out. Yeah. But it was funny, like, sometimes when you're in the wilderness, artistically, like, it's not because you're not going at the right thing. No. Like, I was going at, like, I want to make an emotional show, but...

But also, I hadn't figured out the joke side of it. I haven't figured... See, your nice thing you were saying about my show is how it's like silences and then jokes and then serious moments and then jokes. I hadn't figured that out yet. Sure. I'm also like, I'm really feeling very seen by you talking about like...

true, false, true, false, true, false, and then it ends on a false or a true. Like my special, the one I've done ends on a false and I think it's, and I'm so happy about it. Yeah. That being said, like I do think that that's one extension of myself and I want so badly to say something real and true about myself. Yeah. But it's the hardest thing to do. I think that's why you had strife with it all those years ago, like doing that because you were deeply trying to say something true about yourself, which is horrible.

fucking hard, especially when you're at like a comedy festival, but yet also tasked with like this thing of like, this is a solo show and opportunity that you're being given. Right. And it's like, I think we all want to be poignant, but it doesn't always happen. Right. If there's a question here that I'm saying is it's like, how uncomfortable is your process? Very uncomfortable. Yeah. Like, like...

every step of the way. Like some nights I'm on stage and I'm like, like there's that moment in the show where I go, I didn't have a sex talk when I was a kid, but when I was 12, I had hard nipples from puberty. And suddenly you're exposed out there with your hard nipples again. Yeah. And then I go, exactly. Right. And so I go, I tell my dad, cause I thought I was a hypochondriac as a kid. And so I told my dad, like, I think I have cancer. Right. He's like, take your shirt off. We're in like my living room. It's like a true, completely true story.

What's weird, actually, I'll tell you the variation on it. It's like I had to take this part out. It wasn't in the living room. It was in his bedroom. But it was so weird because the audience was reading it. It's like, oh, he's going to get fucking molested in this scene. Yeah. Right? You had to walk them away from that. So he was like, take your shirt off in the living room. Take my shirt off. And he felt my hard, hard nipples. And I go, and it was nice. You know? There wasn't a lot of physical affection in the film.

But you were being reassured by a doctor and your father. So the first few times, exactly, the first few times I said it, first fucking 40 times I said it, I was just like, this is so uncomfortable. Yeah. Wow. And I even had people like in my inner circle creatively be like, take out the nipples part. Uh-huh. Because you do get that sometimes where even people who are close to what your process is are like, I think the audience is not here for that. But then you got, sometimes you just gotta be like, no, this is like, this is,

this happened. This totally happened and it's like part of the story I'm telling. But what you're saying with like Sleepwalk With Me, like you were in the wilderness. It's like, well, process in general for anybody is just being in the wilderness. Yeah. The movie I'm writing right now, I'm in the wilderness. Great. Yeah. That's all part of it. Yeah. I think something too, and I think I often when we have like music artists in this chair too, this question comes up and also with even reality stars or anyone that's like exposing the part of themselves, like,

which is obviously anyone in that chair probably is.

I don't think I ever really understood the stakes of what happens when you involve a depiction of someone else in your life, in your work. And that is what trips me up sometimes. It's hard. It is really hard for me to think if I say this thing about myself, I'm saying this thing about someone else. No, I know. And I feel like that's unfortunately, if you're someone that wants to create work and art, like...

It's probably the ugly stuff. You know what I mean? And that's not just ugly stuff about you. It's ugly stuff about people you probably care about or...

don't ever want to talk to again. So it's like, it's never someone in the middle. You know what I mean? It's either like, I either really care about this person and therefore they're worthwhile including, or this person has hurt me in a deep way. Even fictional is that. Like I had people in my life come up to me and be like, I'm the character in Don't Think Twice who's the rich girl. And you were like, yeah. No, I was like, no, you're the Gillian character. Yeah.

Sometimes they're wrong. Sometimes they guess wrong. Oh, that's humiliating too. My parents saw Sleepwalk With Me, the movie, and Carol Kane and James Redhorn, as my parents, say these lines that literally my parents said in real life. And I was worried about my parents seeing it. And they came out of the movie and they go...

They're nothing like us. Somehow, like, we can't even see ourselves. Well, yeah, you never can. Yeah. Only you have the real bibliography on your experiences with them because you saw it. They didn't see it. They were it. Right. Right. But either, like, someone comes up to you and, like, validates or, like, I don't know, like—

those things even more where you're like, oh, I like had, it was a huge decision to include you in some way in this like depiction of reality or it's your parents being like, that wasn't us. It's like, you can't really even win with that. It never goes the way you want it to. You guys have a lucky thing, I think, which is,

close friends and you have like a creative partnership with this show, which I think is so lovely because you get to share that people, like I love the show. Like everyone, like I know tons of people love the show. It's like you guys get that together, which I think is not less lonely. I think we're very fortunate in being a lone wolf. I couldn't do it. Yeah, really do it alone. What do you mean? Like, like I couldn't, I couldn't like have my own podcast where I was just kind of riffing on cold

and then commenting on things. You're always my gut check in terms of, do I share this little anecdote? Yeah, it's kind of nice to... It's really interesting because...

because we're also so close, like that we, we have this, we protect the same things pretty much, but also like in, in terms of like the sharing of it all, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's also like, you can never, I can, we can never give everything about like,

about everything. But you know what I'm saying? Cause it's like, it's that's, I think that's like why they don't think twice of it all. It just recalls such a specific era. Yes. That like it's, it's, it's, it's trauma. Yeah, totally. Of course it is. But I think that's why I love it now. Meanwhile, like I wanted to live your life. Like I, when I was at Georgetown, I was like saying to my parents, I want to transfer to NYU and be a theater. And they're like, no. Oh,

I got a full no. You got a full no? Well, good. I mean, I know it's good. Everyone wanted to be someone else. Exactly. It still does. Literally. It still does. But I remember like I was in school at NYU and I wanted to be doing something else. Of course. Everyone's always like, I'm sure you. I was a pre-med. Of course. But I was doing improv. You know what I mean? Like I wanted to be something else entirely. Did you not know that? I didn't know that.

We talked about that. Yeah, of course. When I was a kid, I wanted to be, like, I would be like, I want to go to Boston and audition for commercials. Yeah. And people were like, fuck no. You're dreaming. You're not going to Boston to audition for commercials. What the fuck are you talking about? To aspire to commercial auditioning is such a tale that you don't know what the fuck it is. Ah.

It's like he looks at the camera and half smirks. It's like, that's the audition. I'm going to go into rooms and do bite and smile. Exactly. Bite and smile. Bite and smile. Have you ever done a bite and smile? No, I've never done one. Oh, we've had to do a bite and smile. What is it? Want to see a sip and smile? Yeah, yeah.

And that was probably too big. That's a skill. I'd be noted. Is that it? That was something else. Okay, okay. I feel like Dunkin' Donuts. Did you ever book a commercial? I'm trying.

I'm trying to think. I think I was a spokesperson for like a cable and internet company in the South for a while. That's great. Yeah, they're not. I don't love it. I don't love it. I don't love it. I kind of wish it didn't exist. But also, yeah, it's fine. Sure, it's fine. Did you ever do straight up commercial auditioning? I never did a straight up commercial. I went to one commercial audition because like someone at UCB was like, yeah, I'm going on this thing if you want to come. And it was so humiliating. It was really impossible to leave feeling good.

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And you've become straight. And I've become straight. And I never thought that would happen. That's so funny that Jordan Nardino texted me last night just crying, laughing at the vote in straight. It's the only one I can barely watch. For some reason, when I watch him make out with women, I have an outrage. Why are you outraged? I don't like it. I want you gay. The thing that gets me is...

her showing up at your place and you're playing video games at two in the morning. It's so fucking fun. Well, by the way, that's him. That's him.

And then Heidi in the Las Colteristas shirt. And honestly, it is my favorite sketch because it's clearly, it's like, it releases a reaction to me. But it's just like, we were watching it, we were in his dressing room for the finale and you were watching it with us in the room. I wanted to surprise Matt with the Las Colteristas shirt. I wanted to see it. That was so fun. And then he comes in making out with, sorry, checks notes, Scarlett Johansson. And I just go, like I scream like it's a horror movie. I'm like, I can't believe it.

Like, maybe it's because... Lost Culture's going to have a 2025 because it's Lost Culture Awards too. That's right. So it's in that sketch. It's Lost Culture Awards. It's going to be huge. Yeah, I mean, we're putting it together now and it's going to be something. Point is, Lost Culture Awards is huge. Are you campaigning? I'm going to campaign. Mike, you should. What can I do? What can I do to campaign? Do you guys have a strategy? Can you strategize with me? We can strategize. We can definitely strategize. What might I do as step one? Best Dad Award.

I'm just brainstorming categories. There's a daddy award and a father award. There's a daddy award and a father award. The daddy award was won by Pedro Pascal. The father award was... Who won the father award last year? It wasn't Seth Meyers. It wasn't Jon Hamm. I don't think you have to campaign. I think you being on this episode is a campaign. This is big.

Like, you're absolutely top of mind with the special and with the listeners being like, you're in the mix. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just feel like this was an amazing six straight minute to have. Absolutely. Our sixth straight meal guest. Sixth straight meal guest. Yeah, it's huge. Is it six? It's a deep honor. It's six or seven or eight. It's not eight. Yeah, it's not eight. It's six or seven. And we're not listening. We don't want to make a big thing out of this, but...

but it's a big deal. Do you feel like gays come up to you on the street? They're like, hey girl. I think I get a lot of gays. My gay guy impression. I think like the thing that's hilarious about my audience is sometimes when people come up to me and it's like, it's like some like pear-shaped middle-aged ogre dad who's just like, I totally relate to everything he's saying. Ah, come on. I want,

I want the dads. I know. But sometimes, wouldn't it be great if someone came up to you and they're so hot and they're like, I totally relate to everything you say. It's just like my Pilates class. That's why we have the Kyles now. We have a new subsect of a fan community called the Kyles. And sometimes a Kyle will come up and I just can't believe that they almost dropped their weights at the gym. They laugh so hard, which is what they say. That's nice. You should come up with your own buckets of your fans.

Like, really visualize the person, give them a name, and then you will start to see them. But you know what it is? It is Katie. You have a ton of Katie's. Yes. Katie's is 28-year-old, 28 to 35-year-old communications major from the Midwest. Nice.

named Katie. They're all named Katie. Start asking them their names from now on. The thing I'm most proud of with my audience is I always say like it's age 12 through 112. Like when I see the spectrum of age. I was going to say you are really for a quadrant whereas we are people who are constantly approached by men and go, my girlfriend loves you. Which is so sweet but also it's never like

I'm a fan, which is okay. You know what, though? A lot of them I've been noticing because they're excited to initiate the conversation because their girlfriends are nervous about

But they come up and they initiate the conversation and I can tell it gets them laid. So they're so excited. And that, I think, will make them listen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I think, you know, some of them, they want to be shy about how much they know because, as I said, masculinity is hard to deal with when you're still, I guess, like, you know, when it's all ahead of you still. Sure. I'm just saying, don't be shy, boys. It's okay to like lost culture. It's okay. That's right. Look, look who's here. You know who's great at, a great straight male who will always

often say how much he loves the show. Jon Hamm. Jon Hamm. Will Steven, writer of Bonus Straight both times with August White. That's a real ally. That's a real ally. We love you, Will. Okay.

It's time for I Don't Think So, Honey. We're going to go first. Did you type it out? I'm the writer. Yeah. You'll see why. So we wing it here. I have something that, you know, I didn't realize was a thing until last night I was at dinner and I was made aware. And this has rocked my world. I can't wait to...

Go after restaurant culture here. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey, as time starts. I don't think so, honey, when mocktails are almost as expensive or as expensive as cocktails. I am not even a part of the sober community and I am outraged on behalf of the sober community because let me tell you what the expensive part of a cocktail is, the alcohol. So why for grenadine orange juice

bitters maybe and like a little bit of soda water am I paying $12 I don't think it's fair I don't think so honey I also want to directly say where this is happening which is where I have my new home lower Manhattan I don't think so honey this is a lot of you guys I'm telling you you throw a rock you hit a $14 mock test

tail. And I don't care how big the orange is. No, because I'll tell you what's only a couple bucks an orange. A whole thing. So I don't care that the slice is that big. Yes, you made it look expensive. That's so different than being expensive. I mean, for example, I could walk in here wearing a white suit. I'm not Zendaya or Anna Sawai at the Met Gala. Come on.

They cost a million dollars. I cast six. I don't think so, honey. And that's women. You are more than six dollars. Yeah, but you know what, though? Not really. And I'm saying that, like, these cocktails and mocktails. It's infuriating. It's infuriating. Well, I mean, I feel like they are maybe offsetting that by, like,

No, actually, there's no explanation. I was just going to try to justify it. And you know what? It's like, I'll tell you what the alcoholics don't miss, paying for the alcohol. Right. Okay? So it's like, they might miss the alcohol. They can't have it. They're not missing the prices. It's not like, oh, you know what I really miss? Hitting it hard and paying $9 for a Heineken. You know what would be great? Nine bucks for a Heineken Zero. Right. Which is essentially piss. Yeah.

They should be like, here's an orange juice and an edible. Honestly. It's $15. $15. Yeah, yeah. Really good idea. Just give them something else. Yeah. Yeah. Or it's, you know what? It's like, what would that even be? I mean, it's like, they also, I guess, you know what they try to get away with? They're using the nice glassware too. Yeah. But you don't pay for that. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not part of the experience. Or maybe you get to keep it.

You should get to keep it. Like a souvenir glass? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I used to be big into souvenir glass culture. And then I'll tell you what you have a lot of. Huge cups you never drink out of. Yeah, that's true. Because that's really what they are. My Maru mug. That's totally that. That's really good though. Oh, wait. I wanted to say this. Maru mug and you're talking about LA. Like, you always struck me as pure New York. I am. I am. But you do have this really good worldliness about Los Angeles that I like.

that I like. I've just been, you know, I've been in show business for like, what, 23 years? You know where. Yeah, I go back and forth and, you know, I have my spots I like. Los Feliz, Maroo. I mean, I have places I really like. It's aspirational. Yeah. It is. But you are in New York. Yeah. No, I'm through and through New York. I can't imagine living anywhere else. I saw this Adam Gopnik solo show the other day and he has this beautiful piece where he talks about how his favorite place on the planet is Central Park. Hmm.

Because it's just this place where everyone is in like a social pact to be like, we're going to come to this place that's completely manufactured and completely fake. But there's beautiful trees and beautiful statues. And there's no premium pricing for a different part of the park. We're all just at the goddamn Central Park. And it's great. I love New York. And I have frustrations with it. Of course. But also, you know,

look, we're all in it. It's so funny coming back to New York and being like a New Yorker again too because the first thing that happens is you start to be real opinionated about New York shit. I am ready to crack skulls about the subway. By the way, like I'll get, my one time I'll get political. I can't believe Cuomo is this far ahead. It's fucking crazy.

It's fucking insane. I'm not even following that race. Is he ahead? Oh. It's 60-40 with him. Oh, really? Yeah, but I think it's just name recognition is what's kind of... It's name recognition. I've got a frivolous one. Frivolous? Yeah. Maybe that's a good drag name for you. That's a great drag name. No, no. This is what I wanted to say. The only good drag name that I've come up with, and this is what I wanted to say. This is the most annoying sentence in the world. This is what I wanted to say at the end of my Criterion Closet video.

My drag name would be Janice Films. Okay. Oh, Janice Films is great. I just opened my calculator instead of my timer. It's just 10 million. Right?

That's adverisional. That's adverisional. How much money do I want? That's too much. Or like I just added five million to five million. You were just brainstorming what Kevin Hart makes per movie. Seven figures. I was like, it's probably this. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? Plastic hooks on gift bags that you

purchase at the gift store. You buy a little paper gift bag and there's a plastic thing to make it hook. You cannot take that off even with all the gorilla strength in the world. Even when there's a perforated little thing there that mocks you because you try to tear it off, it's not coming off. Now you got to get a damn pair of scissors like I have the time.

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sliding it off a little rack at a paper source. Please find a better way to hang gift bags, maybe, I don't know, by these string handles that are already on them, rather than put a useless, single-use plastic, might I add, element to these things. And that's one minute. Wow, really clean.

Oh my God. You know what I mean? We know what I'm talking about. No, of course we do. I didn't even honestly know. They're impossible to rip off. I didn't know that they were for hanging really. I kind of thought it was one of those just annoying things about like. No, there's no reason for that. Well, it's a classic single use plastic sneak attack.

Because it doesn't even seem like it's part of it. No. It's like that thing is going to go in a landfill forever. Absolutely. It's never, or it'll go to our brains. I don't know. Like, you know what's also crazy? When you go to CVS and get a receipt,

Like just talk about how much room it takes off or like how much you don't need it. It's like those receipts are so, it's crazy. And I'm like, I'm just going to throw this out. And they don't even give you the option to not have the receipt. And I feel like with these things, it's like, what is it? It's weird. Like I think in our lifetime, it has been this thing where we're like, we're going to recycle. We're going to save the planet to like,

The planet's fucked. Yeah. We're not going to even try. I know. And it's such a bummer. I've never been angrier than, I feel comfortable saying this. A few years ago, we were on Fire Island and a friend of ours had a new boyfriend. And he walks back to us. We're sitting at the canteen and he comes back and he goes, the gays at the docks were so annoying. Guess what just happened? And we go, what? What?

He goes, I threw my plastic cup in the bay and they yelled at me. We were like, excuse me? Excuse me? And the guy goes, yeah, like I was done with my drink and I threw my plastic cup in the bay and they all yelled at me. It's like, okay, the planet is dying already. And then our friend goes, yeah, isn't that crazy? And I had to walk away. I was like, I know love is blind. I know dick feel good and whole, but no. No.

They did break up, thank God. Thank God. But that was a moment where I had to check my respect at the door. Someone proudly being a litter bug is nuts to me. I hate littering. It drives me nuts. And also, you know there's the fish in there. The fish. You know there's the fish in there. Well, it's what he said. They're going to die anyway. Oh, God. It's like, okay, kill me then. I'm on my way out at some point.

That is actually textbook. I'm sorry to get a little academic here. This is NYU. Maybe, and I think they taught this at Georgetown as well. Metabolic rift theory, where it's the human disconnect between, the disconnect between man and nature. And it makes it so that you don't understand that this came from something and that you throwing it out the window or throwing it into the water is actually the reason why you are broken as a person and why literally the,

the phrase touch grass is important. Yes. You need to connect to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, Mike Birbiglia. Okay. You have a written, I don't think so, honey. And we are very, and there's a reason for this. That it's typed out and printed. You'll see it at the end. You'll see it at the end? Okay. Because it could have been on your phone. Yeah. This is Mike Birbiglia's I don't think so, honey. And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Hating on people who try hard. Oh,

Literally, everyone good at anything tries hard. You know who tries hard? Taylor. You know who else? Beyonce. You know who else? Ray Gunn. The breakdancer. Yes, Ray Gunn. I'm more suspicious of people who don't try hard or people who lie and say they're not trying hard when they are. If someone does something amazing and they say it was easy, be suspicious. Not only are they lying about it, they also committed crime. Yeah.

Remember when Anne Hathaway and James Franco bombed so hard hosting the Oscars? James Franco just left. He's a loser, and I'm hashtag team Anne Hathaway. Yeah. Who tries hard? Anne Hathaway. You know who else tries hard? Fantine and Les Mis. She tried so hard. You know who else? Andrea Saxon. Devil Wears Prada.

Oh my God, 15 seconds. Working for Miranda Priestly is hard. She has to show up to work every day sacrificing her relationship with Adrian Grenier's character, Nate, who I think is a chef but never has to go to work for a reason that's never explained. I'm reaching the end of my minute, but I want you to know this is my fifth draft of this. Yes! You know what I'm telling you? Because if you're a fellow tryhard, you deserve to know. Yes! Oh, that's good.

Oh, that's one minute. Really good. And you know what? You're right. And I never liked Nate in Devil Wears Prada. I never liked him. It's ridiculous. Adrian. Outrageous character. Outrageous. And this is the thing. I'm going to misquote Dorian Gray, but the people who are not in the arena don't know the pleasures of... Don't know the triumphs, and so therefore, how could they know anything about defeat? Or something like that. You know what I mean? You know what it is? Yes. And also, it's just like...

It's like you talking about your hard nipples on stage or having emotional strife about being vulnerable. It's because you know it's going to take work to get there and then you are exposed. And it's like...

It's so easy for people to be like, fuck her about someone who tried because they're trying. I know. It's like, I'm so over that. And it also takes so much effort to hate on people. Yeah. Especially online. You got to create a login. Yeah. You know who's a workaholic? CharlieXCX. Oh. Literally noted, admitted workaholic. Always has to work. And it's just like...

maybe that can help like people stop being such assholes it's like someone who's effortless and cool looking is working to be that you know what I mean like I can't stand that because I am a try hard and a type A millennial and it's like for that to be uncool it's like okay ridiculous yeah

That was a wonderful, wonderful. I don't think so, honey. Fifth draft. Well, I do have to ask why print it? Print it just because it's like draft over draft over draft. And then I like the paper. It's like a touch grass thing. I like the paper. Oh, that's good. You're in a way touching tree. Yeah, I'm touching tree. You're touching tree. Oh, touching tree. But I wanted to get it right because I'm a huge fan of the segment and I just wanted to lay something down.

That felt true to me. Thank you. That was really, I feel like we're taking it back, the narrative. I really do. Because the thing about people that don't try hard having the narrative for a second, they didn't work hard enough to keep the narrative. So now it's just like, it's gone. You know, power can be wrestled very easily from those who wield power carelessly and thoughtlessly. Yes. What is that from? That actually was our guest last week, Tormalene. Tormalene.

That's from an incredible biography on Marsha P. Johnson. And that was the educational moment of our episode today. Also, if we try harder, maybe we'll win the next election.

Interesting. I think maybe we need to try a little harder. Yeah. I think it's part of it. That's probably part of it. Yeah. It's in the mix. It's in the mix. I think it's in the mix. Do you think AOC will win the presidency? I think it's possible. AOC's fire. Could be cool. Could be pretty cool. She has a message that hits. I also think Buttigieg's great. I mean, it might be controversial. I love him. Yeah. I love him.

I don't think it's controversial. No, sometimes people, oh, whatever. They think he's too moderate, this, that, whatever. They think he's trying too hard. They think he's trying too hard. But man, I like how he mixes it up on Fox, stuff like that. I know. He's willing to go there. He's willing to go there. And so is AOC, by the way. And Bernie. And Bernie's obviously kind of a legend. But like,

Yeah, I think both of those people are phenomenal. Yeah, yeah. It is interesting. I hope they can catch a wave. Yeah, I think they are catching waves. It's just like, I think after everything that's gone on, it's like,

I don't want to be that person that's like, oh, I'm nervous to put up a gay guy or I'm nervous to put up a young Latino woman. Yeah, I agree. You can't be the nervous person. I refuse to be, but it's like there's truly people out there who just solely think Kamala Lass because she's a black woman or black Indian woman and it's just like,

I feel like we need to, I don't think that's why she lost. And I do think we need to stop saying that because if that's the ideology that we go down, like we're just going to end up with Cuomo's forever. I also, I think if we knew for a year out,

The whole thing of people Googling day of who's running. Yeah. That's real. Was that really real? Millions of people Googling who's running. And some of us didn't know. Okay. And some of us just had to, some of us just like had been reminded. Do you know how busy he is? I'm busy. I mean, I don't want to hit him. I don't want to hit Biden while he's down. Cause I, I'm sympathetic to the health stuff, but it's like,

Yeah, I think there's a lot of things he could have done for the four years also to safeguard democracy. Yeah. Like, there's a lot. There's a lot. I mean, there's a lot going on. It's pandemic. There's a lot going on. But still. And just introducing Kamala to everyone. Hey!

Hey, yeah. Hey, I don't think he knew she was there. Yeah, exactly. I'm a hundred years old. There's this other lady who's fantastic. Anyway, go pick up Jake Tapper's book. By the way, was shaming people for suggesting that there was something wrong. Maybe not. Or maybe not right with Biden for a while. And all of a sudden there's a book.

right so anyway love that love that guy love that dude well I love that we ended on Jake Tapper yeah yeah this whole thing is a plug for Jake Tapper's book the good life is on Netflix May 26 yes you're gonna love it we loved it we loved it oh I mean you're just the greatest you really are such you're one of the preeminent storytellers you're just so good up there you feel so safe when you watch you you always have and you're getting better

I love you guys so much. This is such an honor to be here. If I could only be on one podcast, it would be this and this whole thing. But this has been so beautiful for me because I love bonding also on all of these movies. I know. It's like so deep to me. All those movies are so deep to me. Yeah, Charlie McGrath is going to be a good watch for you later. Yes, I can't wait. Thank you for bringing that in. And we love you very much. And there is love and there is friendship and we're all in New York now. So let's hang. Yes.

I've returned. Returned. When Bowen wrote an email to me about my special last night, it made me cavale and I wrote about it in my journal. Oh, my. The email that we were all on? Yeah. I'm sorry I didn't email. I watched it this morning. Yeah. It's okay. I'll send you an email. Okay. I'll write about my journal tonight. Yeah. We end every episode with a song. I wish I was off book to Secret Garden. I know. Me too. And I don't see me because I don't think that they understand why.

This is how the song ends. It's so good. It's so good. Did you just feed up? You're so funny.

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