"This Is Me... Matt/Bowen" (w/ Matt & Bowen)
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Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.

Well, you have a mug that will be relevant to our discussion later of the years. We're back on track. Thank goodness. You know about my thing with mugs, right? I have a collection of mugs. Like coffee mugs, people. I think most people have a collection of mugs. I don't know if that's unique to you. But not everyone has a theme for their mugs is what I'm saying. You know about my thing. Is the theme mugs? What is the theme? No, the theme of my mug collection is...

The movies? Theme park attractions. I always go to the gift shop and I always get, if I enjoyed a ride or attraction, I get the theme park mug. And so today I'm drinking coffee out of my Jurassic Park mug from Universal Studios. I think it's funny. Some might say the Jurassic Park is itself a theme park. But can I apologize to you right up top? Yeah.

I'm sorry, my sister, for making light of your really beautiful curation of mugs. I did not mean to undermine...

You have a really intentional, beautiful theme that is so you and so true to this and new to this. It's not new to this. No, but hold on, hold on. You're not new to this. You're true to this. I'm not new to this. I'm true to this. Do you have anything that you sort of collect? I know the answer, but tell everyone about your collection. What's the answer? What do you think it is?

I want you to say it. Does it have to do with a certain food item? Yes. I collect two things now. Tell them about your collection. Tell them about your tastes, styles, aesthetics, and values. I'm going to start with the more sort of...

the drier one and then i'm gonna go to the more fun one but the the more sort of like immediately meaningful one is horses because we're still in lunar new year happy lunar new year to you thank you sister and to you my fellow horse i collect horses i have horse figurines throughout my apartment my mom will always bring a horse to me a little horse thing every year to me i think i'm

filled to the brim with horse. Is it an auspicious animal? I think so. I think so. Wouldn't you agree? I would say. I would say. And then my other thing, which I think is what you were thinking, I would say are my tomatoes. I have little tomatoes throughout the house. Can I say Bowen has the best smelling hand wash I have ever encountered in my life?

certainly a friend's dwellings, maybe even in the wild at large. Like I've never, what is it? Where is it from? It's Luave. They do, they do tomato leaves, hand soap, tomato leaves, hand soap. And when I first saw it, I said, now I'm not going to be leaving this bathroom with my hand smelling of tomatoes. And,

And then you do it. Oh, my God. It is so good. Yes, Becca. It does sound good. Becca's chiming in. And it's chic. And then I have my pencil holders are tomato cans. Yep. And then I have a tomato drawing that I framed that I drew. What draw you? What draw you? What draw you? What draw you to tomatoes? What drew you to tomatoes? Like, what is it about tomatoes that made you say, I want to remember her?

When I was a kid and into my adulthood in my 30s still, you know, I guess this doesn't happen as much anymore. But remember when you were a kid growing up and someone would be like,

I can read your mind. Think of something. Like when someone tells you to think of something, like the first thing you think of when blank in any situation where someone tells me, what's the first thing you think of when blah, blah, blah, no matter what the condition is, I think of tomatoes. It is the thing that like pops in and it's so interesting that you hate them. It's not that I hate them. It's just that I don't like them plain, but maybe, maybe what's happening is the fates. I love tomato sauce. I love tomato soup.

Maybe what's happening is the fake love ketchup. Not crazy. I mean, like the way I just said that people would think I'm some sort of like freak for ketchup. Like ketchup. No, you just like you like lycopene. You like the nutrients in the tomato leaf in the plant. I think that's what it is. But something about tomatoes by themselves. Like I can't like if I'm ever eating a salad and there's tomatoes in them, you will see them there at the end. They will get thrown out. I often ask for no tomatoes. I certainly don't.

that what chases me away from certain burgers is the fact that the presence of tomatoes is highly likely. Or even the thought of tomatoes being on them will make me completely invalidate a McDonald's menu item. I famously will never even touch a Big Mac because I think there's tomatoes on them. Even though you already know going forward that there will never be tomatoes.

No, we can't do this again. There will never be a tomato in a Big Mac, so you can order them. You're safe. Why won't you do it? Because I just, I've made my decision about this. Okay? It is what it is. This is crazy. But maybe your love of tomatoes is, maybe there's a reason why we are the besties that we are, because the fate said he is going to teach him about tomatoes. This is me! No!

This is what's going to happen. We are friends, close friends. 20 years later...

We become friends. No, that would mean we take a break. Just in 20 years, something's going to happen with tomatoes. That's our this is me now. That's our motorcycle accident in the desert or wherever they are. In the icy desert. In the icy desert. Okay, can I really quickly, just before we talk about J-Lo, the other thing about tomatoes that is really sort of imprinted is that when I was little, my mom would cut up, slice up tomato and then sprinkle sugar over it and put it on a plate.

sort of like Nobu style, as if it was like a delicious fish. - Gorge. - And then my sister and I would eat it and that would be like an afternoon snack. And like tomatoes and scrambled eggs is such a staple Chinese college student dish that like- - Really? - It's like, tomatoes are so important across the world. And I think tomatoes, I think the Italians gave the Chinese tomatoes and the Chinese gave Italians noodles. - A hickey. - A hickey. We gave Marco Polo pasta

And we as in China, I'm like aligning with China in this. And Marco Polo gave China tomatoes, I think. Wow. Maybe we gave both. I think we gave Italians a lot. And that's a rule of culture. I think China gave Italians a lot. Including COVID. Including COVID. The cultural exchange that we're talking about here is so beautiful. Yes.

And I love to see that there's a Chinese and someone that people think is Italian here. I was going to say people I and I deadass thought you were Italian when we first met. I was like, there's something Italian about it. Turns out it was just the Long Island. There's a lot of very Italian things about me. I think my general demeanor from being is a little of Long Island is a little Italian, gives a little Italian. I think my complexion gives a little Italian because there's some

Olive tone. There's some Mediterranean in there. Yeah, for sure. I certainly whenever anyone accuses me or says, you're Italian, I say, I understand. I understand. It's like when anyone ever comes up and goes, you're Ryan, right? Or Chris or you're Justin or aren't you James? It's like, yeah, basically. Is that what you say to them? I don't like that. As a joke, I often go, well, we're all the same. No, no.

I think from this point on after this week, if anyone says you're Ryan, you're Justin, you're that person, right? You go, Kevin, this is it. Oh my God. This is me, Matt. That's the title of that. This is me. Dot, dot, dot. This is me.

Matt slash Bowen. Slash Bowen. Did you get a chance to watch the film? I did. I did. And can we just give it up for this duo of J-Lo and Dave Myers who have worked together for truly decades? What a beautiful, I kind of love that part the most is that these are two people who, very lasting. These are two people who trust each other's vision so much. I was just watching it the whole time going,

You know, thank God something like this is getting made. Yep. Even though she had to pay for it herself. Oh, is that right? Yeah, so she basically, like...

in the many dozens of interviews I've been watching with her because I've now sort of, I mean, I was on JLo's Wikipedia last night. Like I was like going through it and also so much has to be said about JLo. Like I feel like right now it's a little bit of a fraught moment right now because she is literally everywhere. She got the new album and a lot of people have certain things to say about like the Amazon original and the fact that like, you know, it's meta on meta, self-aware on self-aware. Like a lot of people always have everything to say about

her and you know that's by virtue of who she is correct and what I really like watching about these things is it's kind of like seeing just an artist go completely unchecked and say exactly what they want to say yeah and in doing so they reveal a lot about themselves and I feel like what Jennifer Lopez has revealed about herself

ultimately is this, like I'm a hopeless romantic thing. Like I'm a rom-com queen thing. Like I'm Jenny from the block thing. Like it can all sort of be, you know, narrowed down to the fact that she's just like, she's just a lady. She's just a basic lady. Like everyone, like anyone else, she happens to be incredibly talented, but at the end of the day, what she thinks about our romance and astrology and her husband, right?

And that is truly universal. I think it's beautiful. I think the fact that she said, you know what, I'm going to put $20 million into this thing where ultimately it's kind of about like my astrology guides is so revolutionary basic woman that I'm...

I'm truly obsessed. And I do think that her mass appeal is so on display here because anyone could watch this. And even though it's completely insane, emotionally, you can understand every beat of it. Oh, absolutely. Is it high art? No, but it's populist. It's J-Lo. And she made it because I genuinely think she believes that

people will a understand me better after this and be be able to know what I'm talking about because we all want love and we're all hopeless romantics in some form. That's really it. She provided this entertainment. Is it Grammy, Oscar, whatever winning? Is it a little goofy, a lot goofy at times? Yes, but she fucking went for it. And I was high as a

kite and I lived my life watching this oh great I don't think there's like an unintentional goofiness about any of it I think the whole like all the Zodiac guides things were played for comedy the wedding was basically played for comedy in a way

and sort of like poignantly shot and like really well edited, I think. And I just have to say, my main takeaway was, aside from the things that you've just laid out, which is what she wants us to know is that she loves love and that's it. Not that's it, but that is like her essence. But I also am just thinking to myself the entire 60 minutes of this film, thinking, God, she's so beautiful.

compelling to watch. She's such a good actor. She is such a good dancer. And the vocals, she's like delivering what she has to deliver as it complements the rest of this work. And I think that is beautiful.

I don't think she was being too lofty in what she was trying to do here. I think she kind of accomplished everything she set out to do. I think that, like, in terms of her voice, what she has is a sound that I think is pretty identifiable. And even in looking into her from the very beginning, because I was really in the Wikipedia last night, like, going back to her first album on the 6th,

Don't disrespect on the six like on the six was great on the six had hits on the six was at the forefront of what they call. And I think that some people take some exception to this, like including the people involved, but like that Latin pop explosion like that. She was the forefront of that. Ricky was at the forefront of that. Enrique was at the forefront of like she really like was part of creating a very popular sound.

And a lot of those songs hold up. Like when you hear waiting for tonight now, when you're out, it's a moment. Everyone, everyone pays respects. And just going back to that, like that was a huge risk. And that's something that I think doesn't get said about her enough is that pretty much everything she does because she is so watched and so deliberated is

Everything she does is a huge risk. So being this like established movie star going into full pop star, not even ironic pop star, not even singer going into a full attempt at a 10 out of 10 pop star marquee idol was a huge risk. And she pulled it off. And she has consistently more than anyone else in our culture gone between those identities of the triple threat thing. She really walks the walk. Think about this.

hugely successful recording artist in multiple genres. - Mm-hmm. - Hugely successful actor in multiple genres and media in terms of film and television. The fact that she did Shades of Blue, like, not even 10 years ago is that she did like a procedural show.

in her career sort of lifespan is wild to me. And I, and like, you must respect, you simply must. Literally. The fact that Love? as an album, like, jettisoning her into like,

performing at the World Cup. It's like this is an international entertainer, literally world-class superstar. She is one of our best. You must acknowledge. You must acknowledge and respect. Her watching Barbara in the movie, that is real because I remember when she came to host SNL, I sat down next to her in the post-pitch meeting. She was clutching before anyone else had the Coach Barbara Streisand collection, clutching her Barbara Streisand bag.

And I was like, oh, I love that. She goes, thank you. She strokes and she goes, funny girl.

Like, she goes, funny girl. I'm like, oh, I said that. Like, she, like, wore Barbara the entire week because she was hosting. And I was like, bitch, go off. Go off. And J-Lo is funny! You have to say that, too. I'm making all these imperatives. I'm making all these imperatives. Like, J-Lo is fucking funny. When you look at the filmography, though, like, this very rapidly became what I don't think anyone thought it was going to become, which was a J-Lo stan episode. But, like...

You look at her filmography and first of all, if you don't think that the fact that she was in Shades of Blue was the last thing I thought about last night before I closed my eyes, you are deeply mistaken. I literally, I got off the Wikipedia. I was watching interviews with her till so late. She was on Kelly Clarkson. They gave her like 20 minutes. I watched like both for Zane Lowe, Apple interviews. She's been on Wendy Williams like 10 times. Wendy loves her.

But I'm talking about this press cycle in particular. Mama was everywhere. She was talking about the project. And she's very winning on every talk show. She's very relaxed. And it feels like she's really confident about what she's made. And it feels like also she must have genuinely checked out of caring about what people think about her and because she's out there like.

Pretty much just laying it bare about what this is and why it is, etc. But I was looking at her filmography and it really is... The versatility is there. You forget about what she was doing in the late 90s or late 2000s. She wasn't out of sight. And also, not for nothing, but...

God, I have to stop saying that phrase. No, don't. Don't ever stop. From the very beginning of her career, pretty much, she was not only like exemplifying her talent in all these different ways, but she was setting trends left and right. Like,

For example, the juicy tracksuit thing, the hoops, the newsboy caps like that was pretty much all of the neckline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was reading on her Wikipedia that there's something about the way that she impacts culture and style trends. For example, like her celebrity fragrance basically created the idea of a mainstream celebrity fragrance. Like there was obviously Elizabeth Taylor there.

And then glow by JLo was the first one that was like, I remember my mom getting glow by JLo, my mother, you know what I mean?

I think her count on her fragrances is like she's over 2 billion. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. She's sold like she's moved that many SKUs, but I'm saying like 20 fragrances in the line. Oh, right. And what I'm saying is like her impact on culture is not a joke. Like it's pretty much always been that way too. And for example, the Versace dress, like that's just like an isolated moment in time. But these are things that are like

really lasting in the culture. And they came from one person.

And that person who images came from one person. Really? And also someone who could have so many times been so identifiable with an era like J-Lo could have just been an early 2000s thing. Like 100%. Like there's no reason why she shouldn't have been done, done. And Ben Affleck too, after the benefit of it all, after Gigli, after like,

The P Diddy of it all after so many things went down early in her career and how big she was. There's no reason why that shouldn't end, but it has lasted because of her talent and her talent alone. So when she gets ultimately to this point in her career where she's like, I'm putting a ton of money into this thing that I want to say, I have to stand up and applaud that because not a lot of people get that opportunity.

And not a lot of people get to execute that opportunity. And who's to say if it's done the way people would want it to be done? Like, it's not necessarily. I don't think it's like, I guess what I'm saying is like, it doesn't have like the kindest reviews. But I think it's like beside the point. I think this is the thing about JLo too. She doesn't care. Is that if she doesn't care, amazing.

But it's like the audience doesn't care. Yeah. We're watching this. Like, this was all anybody was talking about with me this weekend. And it was... No one said a peep about the reviews. Everyone was just like, it's insane. It's amazing. It's crazy. It's bad. I mean, like, it was... It really ran the gamut of, like, it didn't matter if someone told me... If someone thought it was bad, I would just be like, oh, I thought it was...

so out there that I kind of had to love it, you know? But that's the JLo thing too, where like she transcends any kind of critical evaluation in terms of the broader cultural impact. If one fucking idiot doesn't like what she puts out, it doesn't matter.

Yeah. And I don't know if that's like admirable necessarily. I just think like this is the reality and this is what we're dealing with. So it's like, it's like you're saying it's besides the point, I think. And she did one of the best Super Bowls. One of the best Super Bowls. Absolutely one of the best Super Bowls. And I remember like when,

When she came out at the top of her Super Bowl performance, like after Shakira did her thing, she was also amazing. You see JLo and you're just like, absolutely. Hell yeah. There she is, a superstar. We were all Brie Larson weeping at the Golden Globes at that moment.

Yeah, and people can interpret this J-Lo love how they want. Thoughts about what is your interpretation about the accident in the beginning of the film? Spoiler alert, by the way. Spoiler alert for This Is Me Now. Yeah. I think that

The motorcycle accident on the icy desert basically symbolizes her and Ben flying too close to the sun. I mean, I think they were going too fast, too dangerous. Like they basically they lost control. Okay. Yeah. And that was what broke her heart.

Well, she talks about this pretty candidly too, like in the interviews, like the JLo and Ben thing basically was so heartbreaking because it wasn't the fact that they didn't love each other. It was the fact that they couldn't handle

everything around them. How intense. Like how intense it was, how negative people were, how much people seemed to not want them to make it. How disrespectful people were to her and to him by nature of them being together. Because remember, they were both trash for being together. And these are two, you know, you can be a fan or not, but these are two incredibly talented people. And I think these are people who obviously when they split up,

Went on to then go to career heights like they already were a list. And then when they separated there, it actually got even bigger for both of them because they went on to critical bona fides. They became monoculture. They were. And then they they really solidified like Ben Affleck and J-Lo are famous, famous, famous.

And so I think that what was so heartbreaking about it was knowing that they had every good intention going into it and really loved each other. And it was that thing of essentially a pretty mature decision to make before you get married or before you go too far of like, well,

We have to stop or else we might resent each other because they resent us and so this is just it's a star-crossed thing I mean like we're not gonna work out because we can't get out of our own way Situationally and then what I will say is it is dangerous to put out there that in 20 years You could get back together with that person because you know that had me spun out. Oh Oh

Theirs is a very unique situation. I was in the mood to just sit here and watch all J-Lo for 12 hours. Like, I really was. Like, I was in my J-Lo moment. Yeah. And the fact that the documentary doesn't come out until the end of the month, I was like, oh, man. Like, I don't know. Maybe by the end of the month, we'll be moved on. But I will say, smart of her to just, like, do the complete media assault now in this, like, time.

tiny window of time before all the girls stomped to the front. I know. Because it feels like she really hit her Valentine's moment. You know what I mean? Like everything about this felt

Pretty right. And especially, and she gets this, for something that in a couple weeks people aren't going to be talking about anymore. Like, this is a little blip, and it's a J-Lo blip, and it's beautiful and gorgeous and chaotic and insane, and then it'll be over. A J-Lo blip can ripple out in a serious way, and that's a rule of culture. That's a major rule of culture. That's rule of culture number 40. A J-Lo blip can ripple out in a major serious way. Ha ha ha ha.

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Oh, okay. A couple of things to share. First of all, Gregory Maguire reached out on Wednesday to confirm that he does listen to the podcast. I am so sorry. I apologized over email. I said, Gregory, I did not mean to assume anything about your listening, your media diet. Very, very nice of him. Unbelievable that someone like him would listen, but love that.

It's because he recognizes this as a Glinda Elphaba story. It's a Glinda Elphaba story. Gregory, I think, is a finalist. He did not self-identify in any way towards me. Certainly a finalist. That's the definition of a finalist. Someone who's fully formed in the culture who don't need this. Who gave us...

A cultural artifact who expanded the story of a universally known narrative in a way that is maybe not technically canonized, but is like the like prequel to The Wizard of Oz as far as the culture is concerned. 100%. Can I say that I'm just beaming, sitting here smiling, beaming because speaking of finalists, and I'm just going to say this.

Because I feel like we've been talking about J-Lo as someone who did the crossover thing between acting and singing and also was very identifiably of a time and like, yes, stood the test of time. There is a finalist who has identified themselves as a finalist in that they are a reader, Katie publicist of this podcast, and they're going to come on the show. And I have to say,

Mandy Moore, we are so obsessed with you. I swear to God, I'm in the DMs with Mandy Moore. She's going to come on the show at some point. And I just felt like while we were talking about JLo, I was like, wait, there's literally someone else too that like... I'm going to cry. A full icon for decades. I know the question that I'm going to ask her that I've been wanting to ask her for, oh, 20 years.

Since 2003, I wanted to ask her this question. So 21 years. So do you want to put the question out there now because she may hear it? Okay. Mandy, you now are going to hear the question and you have time to think about this one. Mandy Moore. Did you have a Zynga page in the heyday of Zynga? Because there was a mandymoore.zynga.com where she was writing blog posts about

And this was the days before Verified. And so, like, I was on that Zynga every day hearing her talk about, was just on set, was just in the studio. And the way she wrote was so beautiful and poetic. If that was her, I need this for my soul, man. Because also, like, well, you need it for your soul because what if it wasn't her? And you were just... If it wasn't, it will be devastating, but not altogether unsurprising. Wow. Wow.

Wow, to think about a celebrity blogging in, like, what, 2000? 2002. I was at, like, the library on the computer on Zynga, reading my friend Zynga's, but then, like, I really want to know Mandy Moore's Zynga, like, what Mandy Moore is saying. And then she used the phrase in one of her posts to put it mildly. And as a 12-year-old, you hear that and you go, well, that's my new favorite fucking phrase. To put it mildly.

Oh my God. We say that all the time as adults now, I'm sure, in this generation. But in 2002, if you were 12 years old, that blew my mind. You're to put it mildly. Do you know what mine was? What? It was Mariah Carey using the word nonchalantly.

in her songs, I immediately was like, what is that word? And I looked it up and it was like, oh, it's like uncaring. Like when you do something like, and it feels secondhand, like you nonchalantly tossed off a phrase or you nonchalantly like, you know, made mention. It fucked you up. And I was like, I will use that.

incessantly to quote another Mariah word but Mariah's vocab she loves her adverb clearly she had an impact on the girls because here's fucking Mandy Moore to put it mildly and that's a true cultural imprint moment Bowen the fact that you remembered that all these years later that Mandy Moore said to put it mildly in her Zynga blog if it wasn't her then I will be chilled to the bone oh my god that would be chilling

But if it was her, I will cry. I will burst into tears. I promise if she says that was my Zynga, I will cry.

Oh my god. And Mandy, don't, because we've DM'd several times back and forth and I just smile beaming the whole time. Don't answer that question yet. We don't want to know. We need to know when you come on. And this has to be in person and Bone, you have to come to LA for that. We have to figure out when you're going to come to LA next. Okay. No problem. Maybe March. I will fly to LA on my own dime for Mandy Moore, Las Culturistas. Absolutely. I have to say, do you remember...

I think my favorite Mandy Moore ever.

Only hope. No, no. Although incredible. First of all, it's really hard to say this because there's so many good songs. I would watch the Cry music video, by the way, on the Walk to Remember DVD every day after school. Keep going. I'm sorry. Do you know how many times I watched your Walk to Remember and wept and wept and wept? It became... You ever watch those movies enough where it becomes more about you crying and less about the movie? I was just like, well, I want to absolutely cry.

sob so I'm going to watch A Walk to Remember again I want to absolutely sob to A Walk to Remember or and this is back in the days of DVD I want to laugh my ass off to the commentary featuring Adam Shankman Mandy Moore and Shane West they are having a gas laughing at Daryl Hannah's wig oh my god it's so important oh my god don't let me wait when you mention wig I have to get to something but first

Let me just say the Mandy Moore song. I try, but I can't seem to get myself to think of anything but you. I want to be with you. I used to just be in my bedroom, like running around in circles thinking of like, I don't know, I guess I was in like fourth grade, like Kristen Rocco, who I had a crush on. Just like me, like.

want to be with you like listening to this like girl's song thinking about I guess a girl I'm a gay ass oh my god I love that whole album oh my god Mandy Mandy to say nothing of saved to say nothing to say nothing of how to deal to say nothing of I'm sorry the song gardenia

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She's not new to this. She's true to this. It's actually rule of culture number 70. Mandy Moore is not new to this. She's true to this. And you can see her now on Dr. Death season two on Peacock. It is an anthology. Peacock, we love you. I mean, that really, that's what it is. Because when I first DM'd her, she was like, well, we should wait till after the strike. And I was like, 100%, 100%. Of course. And then I,

I remember I saw her on the Today Show, something J-Lo was wont to do, and Mandy Moore is also wont to do when she has a project discussing Dr. Death. And I was like, now, did we miss our window here? But the thing about Mandy Moore is there will always be a project. And that's where we'll go to number 90. The thing about Mandy Moore is there will always be a project. We're so excited. Oh, my God. Mandy is...

She was my life. Yeah. Whenever people would be like, okay, Brittany and Christina. And I was just like, definitely respect both. Definitely for sure. Brittany has a place in my life and cultural history. Christina has a place in my life and my personality formation. And then there was Jessica who was, you know, fun on newlyweds. She did her thing. And then Mandy Moore was not only right there with them, but also smart enough to be like, you know what?

I've had a competing with these girls. I'm doing my own thing. I'll catch you later after my covers album. Oh my God, coverage. Oh, her album. Yes. Coverage. The song choices on that album, by the way, sophisticated. She is covering...

Mona Lisa's and Mad Hatter's by Elton. Not just any Elton John song. A fucking deep cut of an Elton John song. No, 100%. And I remember when it came out, I was excited because I'm like, oh, covers. Like thinking it's going to be like songs you hear on fucking American Idol. And then my little ass, I didn't know any of these songs. Have a little faith in me. Yeah. Bill Collins. Which was the single, by the way. The lead single. Mm-hmm. This girl is an artist down. Yeah.

And such a gorgeous voice. And not only gorgeous voice, but identifiable voice. It's like what we were saying. It's like the thing of like you hear Mandy Morin, you're like, that's Mandy Morin. She's perfect for Tangled. Oh my God! Basil!

I could cry to death. I could cry to death. Did I just recently talk about this line read, Entangled, when she's telling Donna Murphy? I will never. She was like, I will spend the rest of my life trying to get as far away from you as possible. Oh, my God. You to me at the end of a long day.

Wow. Wow, Mandy. Okay, but then to reference another recent guest or another guest, I ended up going to Restless Leg Tour at the Beacon. Oh my God, how was it? Just like top to bottom, sublime. I was just like... Oh, I'm so upset I couldn't go. It's everything you want them to do. And then they both individually did like a stand-up set and like both had different angles and takes on it. Like Amy was giving like

kind of, like, beautifully pensive thematic on this thing on, like, memory. And it's, like, all these great bits and stories and jokes. And then Tina comes in and just sort of, like, does, without spoiling too much, like, she's doing, like,

her idea of what her doing stand-up should be, basically. That's funny. And it's so funny. And they do an update thing, basically. Oh, man. Where the top jokes were that day was like, Trump has to pay like $350 million. The news broke that day. And they had fresh, update-y jokes about it. I was just like, God, these women. And hearing them do update, I was just like,

I remember their cadence and their like delivery on it. Like, and how like stylistically it, it's not any better or worse than like what Seth was, what Colin and Chase is now. And like what, like it's just, you realize, Oh, each update era is like its own flavor and tone. And I kind of forgot that about SNL, which is kind of crazy, but like,

Hearing Amy read jokes and Tina read jokes, I was like, whoa, this is a fucking trip. Yeah, it's like a trigger. It's like a good trigger. It's like it takes you back to that time when you're like, oh my God, Tina and Amy on update. Because the thing about comedy is it's not like playing the hits...

necessarily like a musician does, right? Like, you know, like you can be an act with like 20 year old songs, right? You can play those songs and the crowd goes wild. You can't really do that with comedy.

Unless there's something, unless the container is similar, but whatever the content is has to be fresh and new, right? Yeah. So like that's the trick about like touring and just doing comedy in general is that like if you're a name, you kind of have this bar to measure up to. And the fact that they still do it so, it seems like it's so effortless.

But you can appreciate the work that goes into it, which is not to say that it's labored at all. You cannot see them sweat. It's just so special to watch them do it.

Yeah, I mean, they're fucking phenomenal. Like, these are the best we have. They're the best at what they do. I mean, it's funny that you mentioned that, like, the legacy artist thing. Like, Billy Joel comes out and does, like, New York State of Mind. Like, Tina and Amy doing Weekend Update is them doing their New York State of Mind. You know what I mean? But they have to fill it with new content. So it's like, it's a different challenge. As we're talking about time, though, it's like, there are comedians, as we know, who have, like...

kind of tainted the legacy because of like the way that they update oh god content like that is the thing that is kind of remarkable with tina and amy and that's it's not to say that they're the exception to the rule but there is a way to do it where i think like they are not necessarily confined to any sort of formal thing besides the update piece but the rest of the show is like

built to their strengths and also them trying new things. But it's like they also have the benefit of not having to go up there just by themselves with a microphone. Yeah. That they can like do things that are like legible and familiar to the audience and then loosely sort of break out of that and then piece it back together by the end in this way that is like comforting and really, really cathartically funny. Yeah.

One hundred percent. But also, if they were to go out there by themselves with a mic, they would be fine. And here's why. Because they know what's important in terms of comedy and in terms of like really being an entertainer and a lasting entertainer, which is exactly what you said.

They're not fixated with the past and how it's like affecting their present. Like all these comedians, like these iconic comedians, like, you know who they are, who are so angry and up in arms about like what the cultural reality is now, like getting all up in arms about like, you know, trans rights, getting all up in arms about like woke culture that they are no longer funny anymore.

And they have lost sight of what's important, which is entertaining. And the conclusion I keep coming to is if you are unable to participate in now because of the past, you cannot be a part of the future. Like if you are so tripped up in what is happening right now because you

Because of this connectedness to the past. Yeah, this romanticism of yesteryear and this need for things to be the way they were. It's fine. You can continue to kick around in that slop, but you will not be a part of the future. I think they're banking on

The future being not linearly progressive. That it will circle back. That we'll realize that what? Quote-unquote wokeness is a trend. People finally having the right and ability to speak up for themselves. Being like, hey, this type of humor is only funny to a certain type of person. And it really degrades and demoralizes and dehumanizes a whole group of people. So maybe if we're actually funny, we should be able to do something else. They think that that idea is what? A fad? Yeah.

Maybe. Good fucking luck. Good fucking luck.

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Let's talk about Madam Web. Did you see it? Yeah, I did. Oh, tell me everything. A lot of people are saying that this movie was not so bad that it's good. Like a lot of people are saying like it was just boring. No, I think the movie was...

so bad. I had a great time. I love to hear that. I had the best time watching this movie. And I didn't think it was boring. I just thought it was completely insane and unhinged. And what I love about it is Dakota Johnson's knowledge frame to frame that this is horse shit. Like, Dakota Johnson, I want to be like her friend because she is just there. She's a good vibe. I can report. You can tell like

She's delivering the lines like just enough so that it's acceptable to be in the cut. But also like there's like this little way where she's like, I don't know, man. Like not to conjecture. I think she was giving that in Fifty Shades, too. I think she was. Well, there was a moment. And it made me love her. Yes. And do you remember? Because iconically, the first time we ever saw Fifty Shades was me, you and Dresden on Valentine's Day. Like what? It had to be like 10 years ago. What the fuck?

2015? Yeah, wait, hold on. When did Fifty Shades of Grey come out? Jesus Christ, I hate time. Fifty Shades of Grey came out 2015, yeah. Wow, that's nine years ago. Oh my God. Okay, so nine years ago, we're seeing this.

and there was a moment where like either Jamie Dornan says something and there's a cut to Dakota that's like okay it like wasn't supposed to be that but they keep it even in interviews now she's like I think she was on the Tonight Show and Jimmy was like alright so what do we have to know before we see the movie like what do we have to know man come on dude come on tell me what we need to know guy

And Dakota's like, you can know absolutely nothing and enjoy our movie. You don't have to know anything. See? And she still believes in the movie. She's not tirelessly promoting it. It's not that she's like abandoning her sort of. Yeah, she's still out here saying, watch the movie. It's pretty fun.

yeah which you have to and you know what to her credit like I was entertained the whole time the whole time I was like I'm watching it and I'm being like this is so insane but the wig thing from before okay so we mentioned wig Sydney Sweeney's wig in this is like it's so bad and sometimes I'm like

I get it. Like, I understand like hair is tough to deal with on a day to day. And sometimes you want a certain result. But then I was like, you know what? Now it's part of it. Like now the fact that this is such a horrible wig is part of it. And we're playing the terrain. This is now an element of this movie that I really enjoy. Yes. Yes. The villain in the movie. Have you heard about this? All of his lines are ADR.

Oh, I heard about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had to rewrite it. Literally, Bowen, his mouth is moving and it's like watching like a Godzilla movie. Like it's like what is coming out of his mouth or what they want you to think. Like what you're hearing is so different than what his mouth is doing because they clearly had to rewrite the movie because it didn't make sense. Like we have to find out what the villain wants and what he's doing because it's unclear. It was unbelievable. Zosia Mamet's in it.

the whole time being like a computer hacker. It never pays off. The cash they got for this, like Adam Scott truly just cashing a check. I can't believe Emma Roberts is in the movie. This is stacked. It's so stacked and they're all doing nothing. I love it. That makes me so happy. Okay, all I needed to hear was I was getting so many conflicting reports on this about whether or not it's bad in a fun way. And all I need to hear is that

You thought it was fun. So now I will go see it. Bowen, the way it ends. Dakota is so iconic for the way that it ends. Like so much going on in the final frames of the movie. Like I can't spoil it, but just suffice to say it's giving Professor X in a way that is so funny. I cannot wait.

Dakota is... I have a Halloween costume, let's just say. And then, as a result of that, I was like, wow, Dakota, she is here to stay for sure. And so, you know what I was re-watching? I was re-watching some clips from The Lost Daughter.

Put some respect on that film's name. Oh my god, she's so good. She is so good in that. So good in that. And so bizarre in it too. The character that she's playing is so... Alluring and seductive. The things that... Playing to her strengths. I think Dakota Johnson herself is... That is the essence of her. She's a little strange.

Oh, Bowen, I wish we could have seen this movie together. Oh, I'm sad. This is what happens when we're apart. Bicoastal my ass. I know, not right now. Oh, I guess I could say on the pod what I'm doing. Yes, please share. So I'm here shooting a new series for Netflix, and it's from Liz Feldman, who did Dead to Me. Icon. So good, and it's called No Good Deed, and the cast is rad.

Ray Romano, Lisa Kudrow, Linda Cardellini, Luke Wilson, Dennis Leary, Tiana Paris, O.T. Fagbenle, like, oh my god, Abby Jacobson, Poppy Liu, Anna Maria Horsford, and fucking me. It's such a fun...

cast and the group is so great and it's about Ray and Lisa play this couple who are selling their Los Feliz home and there's like a bunch of different couples like and people vying for the home but what no one knows is that something very dark has happened in the house

and I play the real estate agent. So I get to have scenes with everyone. I have a really fun part. I can't say too much about it, but... You're the glue. Let's just say I'm a big function. And I really, really, really am excited about it. And it's going to be really good. I read the scripts and I'm like, oh shit, yay. It's so exciting. This is what we need. We need Matt Rogers, like...

Playing a realtor, but like giving, giving connective tissue. I said it's giving one third Chrishell, one third Christine Quinn, one third Matt Rogers. Bitch. That's, that's a scary, scary pie chart. Horrifying. I love it.

I only really like one of those people. No, I like Chrishell. The way you just said, I only really like one of those people and I'm one of the people. Well, yeah, because it's like, I love you. You only really like Matt. That's not how I meant it. I love Chrishell too. Can I say Chrishell? Chrishell will hit the carpet at the People's Choice Awards and I'll be like, that is all of us right there. There you go. Oh, have you watched any of Mr. and Mrs. Smith? I am two episodes in. I was like,

watching those two episodes being like, oh, I'm in, I'm strapping my seatbelt for this. I just haven't been able to move as quickly as I would like to. I really enjoy it. I watched the first episode. I liked it a lot. I, for some reason, liked it a lot more than I thought. Me too. I like that it's giving mystery of the week. I think because there had been rumors that it like wasn't good and that's why Phoebe Waller-Bridge wasn't in it.

and I was disappointed that she wasn't, though I do love Maya Erskine. Maya is fantastic. And this is such a different thing than Pen15. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I really liked the conceit of it, which is...

This is their assignment. It's their assignment to cover as a married couple. It's not the original movie, which is obviously they were married and then found out they were married to a spy. This isn't really interesting. Good. If you will weigh in, which is that you're seeing them on day one of their marriage because it's their new assignment. And they have, they have like a charming little rapport. I like watching it. I'm excited to see how it develops. Oh,

Also, in terms of it being from Donald and Stephen Glover and Akira Murai, that whole Atlanta group, very different from that. I like that it's this... Again, I like that it's kind of episodic. You're not getting a lot of that anymore. It really works for me. I think the fact that it's a little episodic makes it also...

the serialization is going to come so obviously in their relationship. You know what I mean? It's almost procedural in that way where it's like the way that you develop your

an affection for like these characters you know Benson and Stabler is because you see them in these situations and then all of a sudden you're like you're thinking about the totality yeah yeah in the totality of it you connect to them and you get their partnership whereas like obviously I haven't seen too much of this yet but it feels like that might be what binds and connects them because obviously they're very odd couple at the beginning totally

When I think about the totality of Mandy Moore or Jennifer Lopez, I think these are my girls. 100%. I mean, literally, I just, I can't even like...

Mandy goes, I love the podcast. I love you guys so much. And I was like, Mandy Moore. Mandy Moore, you better stop. If I start, I won't stop. Because I could go on and on about so many things that you love. We literally just screamed at each other. I know. And honestly, it's kind of nice to just get that out of the way. And I'm sure that we will absolutely fawn over her when she comes. But the way that it could just be 30 minutes of us being like...

Not that you guys haven't heard us be sycophantic towards our guests before. Now, can we talk about the year? Do you have stuff for the year? Yes. So this week on the podcast, the year, the cultural year that we are excavating this year has been chosen from the goblet of cultural years is 1993. 1993.

Bowen, what are your instincts and things that immediately you have jumping out of your heart when I say that year, 1993? I am going to say, well, as we said, I said Jurassic Park. I'm going to say the York debut. I'm going to say...

Oh my God, hold on. I'm doing a quick Google. Exile in Guyville is fair. Wow. You could speak to that. This was a huge year for like alt rock, quote unquote, whatever that means to you. But in terms of like your PJ Harveys, your Radioheads, your fucking Nirvana, you know, it's like this was a time of like,

grunge, like, I don't even know quite how to, like, type this, but, like, it was that mixed with, like, adult contemporary was, like, really starting to come in and, like, be this, like, Mariah putting out Music Box is, I think, like, also indicative. Oh, Janet doing Janet. Like, this is, like, things were kind of coexisting in an interesting way, and, like, nothing was, like, overtaking the other. Like, it could all...

live next to each other without bumping. Yeah. I mean, this was a time where it's funny that you talk about that type of music because by far the biggest album of this year. Oh yeah. What was it? It would be ultimately one of the biggest albums of all time in its totality. A word we've used much on this episode is Whitney Houston, the bodyguard. Oh my God. So Whitney Houston, the bodyguard was, uh,

The big, not only the biggest album of the year, but the biggest, one of the biggest albums of the decade. Yeah. It obviously was connected to the film, the bodyguard, which was released. So it's obviously one of the biggest soundtracks of all time. This is obviously in the grand scheme of Whitney Houston's career. There's no bigger song than I will always love you. Obviously it is what she is most iconic for. But that being said,

There was also many, many tracks on this album that were huge hits, such as I Have Nothing, such as Queen of the Night, such as Run to You. This was like the apex diva moment of Whitney Houston. And...

It obviously coincides with what you were saying. Like, you know, Mariah had just really popped off. Like, Selene in a couple years would really, really, really be at her, like, mainstream height. But in many ways, this was the beginning of...

of not even really the beginning, but it was like the rising action peak, let's say, in some way, of that like diva thing. So it's interesting that also, you know, grunge was happening and like there was this alt-rock moment. Just a really interesting time for very emotionally specific big music. Big music that you don't necessarily think of as like

big tent, you know what I mean? Like, these things would never fly today because it would be like, "Well, the alt-rock is for this type of person and the divas are for this type of person." Like, the fact that that was, like, pretty ubiquitous and, like, welcoming for everyone, that, like, everyone could, like, find another phrase that we're using a lot this episode, "weigh in" with these albums.

makes me go, oh, that's what we're sort of losing with monoculture, which again, we can debate with people whether or not it still exists if it's just a different form. But that's a great assessment about the music of the time. It's just interesting. I guess technically the Bodyguard album was released in 92, but it was the best-selling album of 93, which is why. And if you talk about...

what artists were really popular. It's Whitney Houston. Then there was Kenny G, Eric Clapton, Janet Jackson, Billy Ray Cyrus, Dr. Dre, Pearl Jam, Garth Brooks, Stone Temple Pilots, Spin Doctors, like lots of variety here and what was happening. You know what I mean? Like there was music was interesting. Obviously, Liz Phair, Bjork's debut. But it was really it was an interesting time. But for me, I think if I was like

fully activated gay guy at this time, I'm for sure only listening to the Bodyguard album. I mean, like, that to me... Activated gay guy. If I'm an activated gay guy at the time, it's all about Whitney for me at this moment. I mean, how often do we do this as gay guys? Where we, like, time travel? Like, if I had gay guy...

taste, sensibility, whatever, what would I be doing? Time traveling gay guy. Well, it's kind of scary to think about because whatever, I'm like still like on my Capote kick, not necessarily with the show, but just like there's a great documentary on Hulu called The Capote Tapes that I watched last night. And it is just like,

God, it was pretty hard out there for us. - Is that our show? Is our show like "Kunk on Earth" but it's called "Time Traveling Gay Guy" and we go back in time to different eras and like interview people of the time? Like, is that our show? - Wait. - Maybe that's it. - Maybe that's it. - "Time Traveling Gay Guy" and it's like "Kunk." - Did you finish "Kunk on Earth"? - Yes. - Oh my God. - I loved "Kunk on Earth." It's my favorite. I think it's one of my favorite comedies in the last like three years. - It is staggering.

How stupid the character is. It's just so funny. It never stops. The jokes never stop, honestly. At a certain point, you do need to take a break because it's now the jokes are just coming too fast. I'm a little overwhelmed. The way the pump the jams thing... Oh, love it. Love it.

gets re sort of remixed every episode. I'm like, this is crazy. Like it reminded me of like, well, kill me like Monty Python stuff. But anyway, okay. Biggest films of the year. Yeah. Jurassic Park was the biggest movie of this year. Mrs. Doubtfire. This was a big Spielberg year because yeah, he's got,

the number one commercial film of the year and the number one critical hit of the year. He's got the biggest movie of the year and the best picture winner, which were Jurassic Park and Schindler's List. Can you say versatile? My guy was topping and bottoming the industry. He was topping us...

He was topping us with Jurassic Park and bottoming with Schindler's List? This doesn't necessarily feel right. I don't know about that, miss. I think bottoming is so much more emotional than topping. You're feeling so much that I do feel like... And then a woman in a red dress comes out. A little girl in a red dress, please. Oh, I'm sorry. Let me take that. Not a woman in a red dress. No, don't let him have that. He's put a lot of edits out this episode. Woman in a red dress will stand.

I haven't seen it in a while. Me neither. I haven't seen it in a very long time. But Jurassic Park, I've seen many times. Absolutely. Just an easier watch, I'd say. The Fugitive is the number three highest grossing film of 1983. That is a traumatizing film for me because we watched that in Canada, in Montreal. There was a woman named Janine who was like the babysitter. And all the kids, all the kids in it, she was so cool. But she had like...

She was a childless woman who had a huge house, right? And so she, her whole thing was like childcare. And she was this cool fucking woman in her fifties who lived with her husband and like all the kids from the neighborhood would go to her house after school. And like, you know, the parents would pay her, but she would just like put food out, put video games out, movies would be downstairs, you know,

And we would all just like hang out. It was like summer camp. And watch The Fugitive? And one day we watched The Fugitive and it was so like when the wife dies. Yeah, tough. I was just like, this is crazy. Also traumatic thing from that basement where we would watch the movies was all the kids made fun of me because I pronounced Return of the Jedi wrong.

Le retour de le jeudi. And they said, jeudi! And they laughed at me because I mispronounced Jedi, which is, by the way, a made up word. Thanks. Jeudi is very chic. Did you hear that Daisy Ridley is returning to Star Wars to play the Jeudi Rey? La Jeudi. La Jeudi Rey. Matt speaking French is so my favorite. Merci beaucoup. Je d'ore. Rey.

Yo soy Jeudi. Oh, Spanish. Okay. What else? Sleepless in Seattle. Philadelphia. The Pelican Brief. Oh my God. Julia coming into this. Oh, but this was after Mystic Pizza. But this was Julia really becoming Julia. Yeah. This is Julia post Pretty Woman feeling her own. Oh, yes. That's right. I'm sorry. I thought this was before Pretty Woman. Yes, this is after Mystic Pizza and Pretty Woman. And...

Steel Magnolias? Mm-hmm. Okay, so she was Julia. Steel Magnolias was her first Oscar nomination. Then came Pretty Woman. She was fully Julia at this point. But obviously, again, it's her rising action peak. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. It wasn't yet where it would go, but it was going. She was that girl. It was going. But I do want to say just about Jurassic Park. Yes, please.

I always had the comment about Jurassic Park that, like, I wanted to see more of the theme park in the movie. But I think that that was probably just me being stupid. And I think... Being a kid. Looking back, Jurassic Park, no notes. No notes. You did that thing. Oh, you did that thing. You're not going to be out here saying that you wished Jurassic Park was different. I'm sorry. No. Is there a favorite scene in Jurassic Park for you? Um...

Do you want to be a gay guy and say Laura Dern going through the poop? No, I was going to say, I actually, and this is so stupid of me. I actually love when they're watching the cartoon talk about the Amber. Pre-show. The pre-show, because it makes you realize like this movie is working on a lot of levels. Like the science is actually kind of there. And like, like Steven Spielberg was like, no, we're spending time. Like Michael Crichton would have wanted this. We're spending or would want this. He was still alive. Um,

let's spend time on the science of this. Because then, because remember like, you know, middle school science class, like all the teachers being like, my school at least, like it would be like, you know, the science in Jurassic Park is actually our type. We could, you know, grow dinosaurs if we wanted to, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

That was like the urban legend kind of scientifically, I think, being in middle school. And just set this straight as the person here who's like more. I'm not going to. I'm not going to know. Can you do this? Can you do it? I don't know. I don't know. And you want to?

No, certainly not. Whenever it comes to, hey, we should do this. I don't even think we should be in space. No, we're not supposed to be there. I think we should be leaving things well enough alone. I think dinosaurs are gone for a reason. I think space, you can't be up there for a reason.

I think we need to stay out of the oceans. You know how I feel about this. I think that about being on a plane. I'm like, we're not supposed to be. Don't even get me started. Every single time you're on a plane, remember you're on a hulking hunk of metal. And that doesn't feel right to me. No, air travel does not feel right to me at all. Boats feel insane to me. Boats, I actually think are okay. How are boats okay? For traversal, you're standing on something.

Or you're sitting on something. Well, let me stand on business when I say that you're way more endangered on a cruise ship boat than you are in the air. And I don't even like the air thing. But in the water, especially with the orcas acting up the way that they are, especially with what we know about sharks now. Honey. They're incredibly dangerous. I'm not saying boats aren't dangerous. I'm saying being on a boat makes more sense to me as like

primitive animals. Like the cavemen might have built a boat. What? I think maybe a person, a Neanderthal might have tried to make a boat one day. Girl. They never tried to make a plane. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? Yeah, I guess so. But that doesn't mean that one is more above board than the other. I guess my thing with being on the open water

And then, you know, they say we know less about the ocean than we do about the space. 100%. For me, it's like if you're in the air, the only thing that can go wrong is the plane malfunctions. You know what I mean? Like something goes wrong with the plane and it goes down. When you were on a boat on the water, literally you were a million things could happen. The boat could get fucked up. A wave could happen. There's no waves that could happen in the air. And then get into this.

likely if your plane goes down, you die pretty instantly. You may even die from shock before you even hit the ground. Like truly on a boat. If that thing goes over, honey, you die in the water. You don't die because the boat capsize. You probably have to be swimming around for a while. And then what?

Now, I don't want people saying to me, hey, that was messed up what you did on the last episode of Las Culturistas because you conjured up images of tragedy, pain and death. No, but this is just the reality of the world. And guess what? If you're listening to this, you're going to die one day, too. Who knows how it will happen? Maybe on a boat. But I'm telling you, it's more likely that you die on a boat than you die in the air. Get over it.

Okay. So... Okay. Big news stories of 93. Isn't it interesting that so far, the three years that we've drawn all inauguration years... Inauguration years, I was going to say. Clinton started to really pop up. Oh, my God. I have on here the Waco siege. Branch Davidian slay.

What else? Space Shuttle Endeavor. Okay. Amazing. The Brady Bill for guns. Oh my God. Gun control. Remember gun control?

I think that's it. Yeah, this year was really okay. I will say this year was the birth of my sister, Chelsea Ryan Rogers. Oh my God, that's so nice. Chelsea Ryan Rogers was born on January 24th, 1993. I won't say her real last name now because she has a new last name and I will respect her privacy. Congratulations, Chelsea. Nay, Rogers. Chelsea was born when I was three years old.

And I think I was a good big brother. I'm sure you were. Oh, Matt, I think I was brother. I was big bro for once. Now, 93 for me, I think we had moved from Kingston, Ontario to Quebec. We might. I know. I think we were still in Kingston, Ontario town outside of Toronto. Yeah.

I was playing with pots and pans. That was my thing is at three years old or between two and three, I was like, my mom would like lay out the pots and pans on the rug on the carpet in the living room. And I would just like pretend I was cooking. And did your mom, once she heard you playing with the pots and pans, did she sort of run into your father's office and say, Rulan, Rulan, I think our child may have a musical talent. Yes.

And he said, get out of here. Oh my God. Wait, were you there, bitch? That's exactly what happened. I was there. And then my sister went, I remember it all too well. And then I sing all too well at three. Now, where were you? You were on Long Island? I was on Long Island being three. I think me at three was probably a whole thing. I can't say much about when I was three years old. We lived in West Babylon, New York. I...

Wasn't in school yet. I probably was out. I was like an outdoor kid, but I'm only three here. So I don't know. I was having like a jamming out with Katrina like all the time. Yeah. Oh, you guys, you guys hanging out. Oh, absolutely. And then I did ask, like, was I a good brother? Because that's something that's important to me.

Nowadays, it's like, was I a good brother growing up? And all accounts are that I was a good brother and that I wasn't like jealous that there was a new kid because something you do hear like new parents say is like, oh, I have a three year old and there's a new baby. And it's like now it's getting a little contentious in the house. It's like or like something shifted. But luckily, I can say at least my parents are protecting me enough to not tell me I was a nightmare. But I think I was good. I believe that. I do think that all people, including myself, are good at heart. Yeah.

I believe that too. Now... Chance the Rapper was born this year. Chance the Rapper was born this year? Debbie Ryan was born this year. Oh my God, Debbie! Ariana Grande was born this year. Oh my God, Ariana! Amazing, amazing year for birth. Wow, Ariana is younger than my little sister. And you're big bro to her. I'm going to have to treat Ariana like little cis vibes. Little cis vibes.

Ty Warner USA launches the first Beanie Babies. Oh, wow. This feels early. This was rising action to Beanie Baby mania. 100%. Listen, listen to me right now. If you have a great idea, sometimes you got to let it cook. Maybe in three years, it will be Beanie Baby. Oh, this news is sad to me. Yitzhak Kabeen and Yasser Arafat signed peace agreement on the White House lawn. Oh, wow.

Well... In the words of Cher Horowitz, I thought they declared peace in the Middle East. In the words. Now, let's see. The EU farmers protest. We all remember where we were. LAUGHTER

And that's basically it. You know, it's kind of an interesting year, a peaceful year. Definitely peaceful. This year was kind of interesting. If Israel and PLO signed a peace agreement, that's going to be a peaceful year. I think it's actually going to be a peaceful year. And now, Bowen, you know what I'm doing? Yeah? I'm going into the cultural years. Oh my God, we're drawing another year. So exciting! Okay. Now I'm picking it out.

I'm feeling the energy. What is it going to be? The year is 2013. 2013! Another inauguration. Not an inauguration year, but another post-general election year. I mean, yeah, so... What's going on here? There's a theme here. There's a theme of election. It's almost like there's one looming. Oh, God. Oh, God.

Okay, 2013. Well, we all... Hopefully you were born by then. Hopefully there are no 10-year-olds listening to this podcast. Hopefully you're older than 10. If there is, then holy shit. Not beating those groomer allegations. Not beating the groomer allegations for gay guys. Well... Isn't it scary to think even a 10-year-old could... Because they have phones nowadays. They could be listening to this. We could be polluting their minds with things like... Whitney Houston. Whitney Houston. Whitney Houston.

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Should we move on to I Don't Think So, Honey? Let's move on to I Don't Think So, Honey. Do you have something? I do. Okay. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So, Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, the plot of Mrs. Doubtfire. Okay, we're talking about 1993. Here I go. Liar. You're a liar. You're a liar. And female culture is not your costume, Robin Williams. And I don't like for one second that you lied to that woman and her family. I don't care what your intentions were. You're a liar. You're disgusting. You are a narcissist. Right.

Robin Williams as Mrs. Doubtfire is disgusting display of narcissism and just you know what how about this you want to get in good with your kids start selling the truth start telling the truth okay the way that you get in with your kids is not going to be dressing up as a full woman and by the way that was an offensive caricature of a woman

elderly woman it was offensive it was ageist 15 seconds it was sexist and it was disgusting and sally field i'm with you when you said the whole time time because the answer is yes that's what he's capable of do not get back together with this man he's disgusting toxic liar i don't think so honey that's one minute that is one of the best you've ever done he was a disgusting toxic liar

Period. You can't argue with that. It's really called Mrs. Doubtfire. Doubtfire? He was a disgusting, toxic liar. That's really culture number 44. Not beating the drag lying allegations. Oh my God. That gave drag such a bad name. It really did. So upset.

My day is ruined. I have one that I'm sorry. I have one that's slightly less fiery, but I think that's okay. I'm not going to. That's totally okay. Me thinks. But I think people are going to relate to this. Belatable. King. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now.

I don't think so many spiral notebooks. Why are we still selling this shit? The rings get bent. The pages don't turn as good as when you buy it fresh off of the shelf. Okay? And sometimes you try to fit a pencil in there or a pen in there and it falls out. The spiral doesn't work anymore. And depending on your handedness...

every other page, you're not going to be able to write on it because guess what? The spiral is pressing, the spine of the spiral is pressing on your hand as you write. And then what does your hand do as you apply pressure onto the spiral? It warps the spiral. So therefore, I think we should abolish spiral and

abolish spiral notebook most importantly but the spiral is also full of plastic probably and we're done with that we're done with plastic I think we just need to do traditional bound notebook at the spine and not make any innovations in this area

- And that's one minute. So are you saying return to marble? - What do you mean? No, I'm saying return. - Marble notebook. - Yeah, marble notebook is totally acceptable. Any notebook that doesn't have to fold in on itself, that is a gimmick that we no longer need, that we never needed in the first place. What? - I'm just looking over at my desk and I see I'm using a spiral notebook and I've never had- - I'm using a spiral notebook and it's ruining my life, but I refuse to change.

There is something to say about the fact that really what you have there in spiral notebooks is it's a weapon that can be used against you in your own home. Because if someone were to come there and unspiral it, then what they have is a very dangerous, really metal wire. A wire?

a device for harm. And also, it makes the writing experience unpleasant. Producer Becca says, spiral notebooks are disrespectful to the left-handed community, me. And the right-handed community, P.S., if you try to write on the opposite page.

Wow, I hadn't even thought about that. That's what I'm saying. Oh, never mind. There's no way around it. Because I was going to say, there's no way around it. You could flip it in and do it, but you'd still come up against the spiral. I don't know. Because guess what? You're turning your notebook up and down, up and down for every other page. Get them off the market. Now, I said. In J-Lo. Out. Out. Spiral notebooks. Spiral notebooks. In Madam Web. Out. Mrs. Doubtfire. In Mandy Moore.

out. Mandy Moore not being on the pod. Not being on the pod. Ooh, that's I see what you did there.

Well, this was a culturally ripe episode. There was so much to discuss. And really, what I have to say about this episode is, wow, the power of women. Wow, the power of women. It's going to be Women's History Month in March. Well, happy Pisces season, everyone. It's my big month. Happy Pisces season. The Pisceans are Piscing. Piscing? I have a feeling that I might cry again.

Every day this season. You should. But not in a pejorative way. In a way where I reclaim my tears. This is me now. This is you now. And if you're listening to this on February 21st, 2024, the moon enters Leo and Venus conjoins Mars. Relationships gain a little sizzle and creativity gets more muscle. Artistry and willpower are a match made in heaven now.

Thank you, Jenny Nicholas. Yes. She posted a really good Pisces season debut. She always does. We end every episode with a song. To hear more of that, watch the prime original. This is me now starring Jennifer Lopez. Bye. Bye.

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