“Thought Starters” (w/ Michelle Obama + Craig Robinson)
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Look, Matt! Where? Oh, I see! Bowen, look over there. Is that culture? Oh my goodness. Las Culturistas!

- Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. So today was Bowen's first ever tate experience. And that is the big headline of the day. - Huge headline. Famed bakery, Shakshuka restaurant. They have more things than that. I had a delicious chicken salad sandwich with raisins. Get into it. I don't wanna have this argument with anybody. Raisins belong in chicken salad.

And you know what else? So I basically described it to you correctly. It was like a Michelin Pret-a-Manger. A Michelin Pret-a-Manger. And then we learned through someone that we were speaking to today that it is owned by Panera Bread.

Yes. So it all goes back to Big Panera. It all goes back to Big Bread. Big Bread. And that's actually real culture number six. It all goes back to Big Bread. Also in lost culture news. So the reason why we're in D.C. today is actually kind of a funny story. Several months ago, we sort of were reached out to with an opportunity that made us say,

there's no way this is real. There's no way. There's just no way. It is real. And we find ourselves sitting with a pair of guests that to say that we are excited would be the understatement of the century to have them on Lost Culture Is This. We were so fortunate enough to be on their podcast. Had an amazing time. IMO, Higher Ground,

- Get into that. That's the chicken salad of podcasts. - Truly. - Okay. - There's raisins. I mean, we'll- - And you know, I said to our guests earlier, I did a breakfast hack. I was like, you know what you do? So I didn't tell you this, Craig, but here's what you gotta do. It's not just strawberries and raisin bran. It's also, you cut up strawberries. I'm a culinary icon on this podcast. - Okay, let's go. - By the way, the snack of the summer is frozen grapes. - Frozen grapes.

Okay, so you got to cut up strawberries, cut and then get some bananas in there and raisins. Put it in your Honey Nut Cheerios. Yeah. Raisins and Honey Nut Cheerios. Oh. You're going to love the way you look. I guarantee you. It's still not that deep. Okay.

For more context, listen to our episode of IMO. Matt, it sounds yummy. Okay, so these voices that you're hearing. They're legendary. They are the Euclid Avenue Robinsons. The iconic Chicago legends. We're here with a college basketball athlete.

icon as a player, a coach, and a broadcaster, and a best-selling author that is likely best known as the former First Lady of the United States of America. And this is just really special. And they're podcasters now. So moving on up in the world, I'd say, everyone, please, we are out of our minds to welcome Michelle Obama!

- Oh, gosh, I'm fired up and ready to go. - Put me in coach. I'm ready to play. - And you are the one to listen to when that gets said. So you're sort of been dragging me all day for my breakfast know how or lack thereof. - You bring it up like it's some rocket science and it's chopped up fruit in cereal. - Excuse me, Miss Cheese Bread.

At least you have to cut the cheese and melt it. You're right. That is steps. That's steps. Matt, you do not have to acquiesce to her just because she used to be the former first lady. You did do that pretty well. I do have that advantage. You're like, yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yeah, I know. Well, earlier I was like, thank you so much, Mrs. Obama. And you said Michelle. And I was like, okay. I did say that.

I know. Well, it's great to be on a first name basis. We cannot have a real conversation if you're saying Mrs. Obama. That's too many syllables. Are you pretty quick to like put down that shield for people? You're like, don't even worry about it. You know, I...

You know, I was trying to do that when I was first lady. Sure. Because I just think, you know, it just sort of like I am not that position. I am Michelle. Yes. And when you're trying to connect with people, especially young people, you know, they need to keep the mizzes because they're learning. Sure. But I'm always trying to break down that wall to say we're just all here. Totally. You know, and the first thing to do is like, let's drop that title. That's a little heavy. Of course.

You know, that kind of changes the dynamic. So I'm Michelle. You know what we call her? What? Your Highness. Ha ha!

- I knew it. I knew it, the honorifics. - You need this person in your life. - You have to be in the family. - And he must bow. - I feel like you do need this person in your life that is like, that is like busting your chops a little bit. Have you guys always been those people to each other? - Oh yeah. - Absolutely. - Well, we come from a family of chop busters. - Chop busters. - Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, we earned it. We earned it.

Our dad, his brothers, our grandfather on my mom's side. I mean, it was just chop busting all the time. And they started teasing at a young age. And I always thought, oh, this is mean until you realize, oh, in the real world, this happens all the time. You're building a nice relationship.

armor to fight the fights when you get out in the streets. - Totally, yeah. - Craig, you've talked about how growing up it was, Michelle was known as Craig Robinson's younger sister, and then it flipped at some point. - It did. - When you were known as Michelle's older brother. - I love that. - And that is much easier. Describe it in the ways that that is easier. - It's easier because first of all, I was, whether my mom and dad said, "Don't do it, don't worry about your sister, don't protect your sister."

I did. So everybody had to know that's my little sister. So if you're going to run up on her, you got to come through me. Yeah. Be nice. Yeah. Act right. And and anywhere I went, I brought her with until we got to an age where we couldn't do stuff. But it's always been that way. And it's much easier when I don't have to worry about that. Now she's she's the big star and I can just enjoy the benefits. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, I, we both have sisters and I feel like I, I, it almost makes me emotional to think of people like having an opinion or like, like the idea that someone is, you know, accessed by the

world in this way. Like that has to be something to manage about each other. I would sure I'm sure about, you know, your family members, like when you become up for public debate and unable to participate in those discussions, I would imagine that that's something that you obviously learn to cope with or do you ever really learn to cope with?

You know, you do. You have to develop a thick skin. And I think some people are better at it than others. I think my husband has a very calm demeanor and I think he was built for the job. I am a little more feisty, less so for myself, but more for him. You know, I get my back reared up when somebody goes after him and they don't appreciate his intellect and his sacrifice. Yeah.

Don't go after my kids. So I don't feel it for myself, but it is. It is uncomfortable. Anytime my kids call me with some bad interaction they had with somebody on the street because of their last name or them worrying about somebody, people thinking that they don't deserve the credit for the hard work that they do, you know, my mommy mode gets on. But I've had to practice...

being okay with it for the sake of them. Yes. Because I think that kids respond the way their parents respond. And all throughout the White House, my thing was, this is normal. You'll be fine. It's okay. Yes, there are men with guns on your school because your dad's here for parent teacher conference, but keep going. It's not about you. You know, just trying to make sure that through all of this, they felt normal. So I couldn't respond too much. I couldn't

voice too much concern because then they would start panicking. Right. It's like when a toddler falls and they look up to see if they're okay. And if you're like, oh my God, you break down. But if you're like, you're fine, fine, get up. Yeah. But as a brother, I feel it when they get talked about.

And it's really interesting because as a coach, you get talked about all the time. Like when your team plays poorly. He needed to do this. This play was whack. That doesn't bother me at all. Because I know what I was doing was my best and this game plan went this way. Something went that way. Anything. But with them, it's when people don't appreciate what they're doing. I wouldn't say things publicly, but people ask me all the time.

How do you handle it? And I tell them,

I know deep in my heart that they're doing the best for the most people. And that usually gets people to sort of calm down and take that strategy with them when they go on, when they go about their work, because otherwise it would just drive you crazy. - Sure. - I used to be in the comments defending him. I'll throw hands for my sister. - I would never want you. That is a state worse than death for you to be fighting in the comments. - To even get in there. It's like, "Matt, come on.

- I know, I know. - Don't go in there. - I also just, when you were talking about going to the parent teacher conference, I thought about being an elementary school teacher and knowing that the Obamas were coming in. What is that? - Oh, and it was a thing because the kids went to school down the street from where we're recording right now. And our house is, well, we were in the White House. That was our house then. So it was a trip all the way up Mass Ave. And when you're in the presidential motorcade, it's a thing.

If the president is moving, it's 12 motorcycle cars blocking off traffic. The street gets shut down. It's a 20 car motorcade, you know, which I say that includes an ambulance, a caboose and a, you know, a clown at the end. I mean, it just keeps going and going and going and it never ends. And all of that pulls up into the parking lot of a

- And Ms. Apple is there. - And Ms. Apple is getting held down. It's like, "Mom, that's Mrs. Charney that they're blocking." And it's like, "I know, I know, but this is how it goes." - And so Malia is excelling in math. - That's right.

That's an A. But here's the thing. Dad was going to parent-teacher conference. It was like, you know, you went before you were president. You went to every one of them. We are parents. You know, we have to ignore this. This is how you get about the city. And this can't be the excuse for you not to participate as a father because you deserve that. He enjoyed that.

He enjoyed those moments of normalcy. Yeah, absolutely. Even if it came with a 20-car motorcade and helicopters and a cat team on the roofs, which is counter-assault warfare.

Machine guns out. Lovely. I mean, total lockdown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that was. And thank you, Sidwell, for putting up with us for eight years. Great work. I always feel like, you know, big moments in my life I can often associate with a song or a film or something. And obviously you guys being in the public eye, I wanted to ask,

if there is a moment that the world knows and they identify in a certain way just from watching you guys, but you associate that moment with a specific song or something like, what was the song of like the inauguration day? Or like, is there a moment that you can think of that you can point to? No one was, no one knows I was listening to this or had watched that. You're nodding. I'm nodding.

- Do you have something? - Yeah, the first inauguration, we were all together in Chicago. And the story about when we found out that Barack was the president of the United States is a completely great story, but I'll save it for you next time. We are all on the stage. I mean, it's our whole family, but our family's small, but we're all on the stage. Barack's family's on the stage.

- Was this in Grant Park? - This was in Grant Park in Chicago. - I remember that night. - Outside. - And what was the song? - Of course. - Wasn't it "We Are Family"? - I don't remember. - That's what I remember. - That's your phone. - I think I was completely-- - You might have been. - I was like, did they have a song? - We should find out if I'm right. Because I remember "We Are Family" and I don't know if it was in my head or if they were actually playing it. - Wow. - Yeah. - Because I'm gonna tell you something. We're from Chicago, I've been in Grant Park.

In November. In all my life. When that inauguration was over, you could hear almost hear a pin drop and people are walking away. They're just in this euphoric quietness.

quiet, calm state. They were so happy. And it was the, I mean, black people, white people, people from the North side, people from the South side, people from the West side, all together, just walking back to wherever they were going quietly, orderly, no police sirens. You could see flashes of light, but it was surreal, man, for a kid who grew up in Chicago. I mean, it just- It was so-

peacefully silent that on the way to Grant Park in the presidential motorcade, the kids were in the back because, you know, you're trying to tell them what's going on because they were little. They were, you know, seven and ten or six and nine at the time. So most of the time in the whole, they're playing. We set it up so their cousins are there. They're playing games. Election nights were all about we get chicken fingers and we get to stay up. Right. Yeah. But you didn't realize they wouldn't understand what

what had happened. So you'd win a primary, big celebration, and Malia would come back, Malia would say, "Is dad president?" And you're like, "Oh no, no, no, no. This is just South Carolina. We gotta do this like 12 more times." And she'd go, "Okay, go back and play." That night, she said at the end of it, "Is dad president now?" And we said, "Yeah, this is it." So we're in the car on the way to Grant Park, and it's this deep silence.

And we're all quiet in the car, the kids are in the back. And Malia says, "Dad, I don't think anybody's coming to your party." 'Cause no one was on the street. And it never, this was Lakeshore Drive that was always busy. And she was like, "Oh my God." - This is so embarrassing. - So embarrassing for you. - After all this buildup in Chicken Fingers.

It's like you might meet. And we were like, oh, sweetie, no, this is what happens now that your dad is president. No one will ever be on the street when he's on the street again. But it's like with little kids, you're like, you know, how do you put these moments in to context for them? They're just in the back seat going, what's next for us?

- Yeah, it's like watching someone realize their life is different. - That's right. - This is so weird. I'm remembering, we got a new dog one time and then we opened our pool and I was in the pool and the dog came outside and saw me in the pool and froze and it was like a new thing for the dog. And I was like, oh, I'm watching the dog have a formative core memory.

- I don't know why I made that poll, but like, that is what I'm thinking. - It is so the same. - It's the same. - Just watching Malia be like, oh, we don't walk on streets with other people anymore. - That's right, anymore. - Anymore. - Yeah. - That's what you're saying. - But then your dog is like, what are you doing in that giant bathroom? - There's only a third of you showing. And I know that's not right. - It's like, and someone should be panicking here. Should I dive in and get the kid? - There's water. - What's all this? You can get in there. - I don't wanna be in there.

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I mean, you're talking about like going to parents teacher conferences here. And like, I got to ask, like, now that you are talking about both of you guys are talking on the podcast about how, you know, the decision making is for yourselves now. Like, you know, the I mean, I know, Craig, you're still raising kids. But like, Michelle, as someone who is like, you know, you've called yourself an empty nester. And like, that is that is the thing that like, I love.

I have no idea. I haven't even asked my parents about this because I'm just nervous about like what that was like for them. But now that you are like making decisions for yourself, does that change the rationale, like the framework of your decision making? Like you being in D.C. again without having to worry about parent teacher conference. Yeah. Yeah.

Does that affect your sense of place? Like I was asking you before where you spend most of your time throughout the year and it's kind of in multiple places. Like, does that feel, how does that feel right now? It feels great. Good. I bet. You know, it does feel great, but it is, it's a little off

putting, right? Because I realized for, you know, 50 plus years, I was making decisions for other people. Yes. And that's kind of a buffer, you know, I can always say, well, I'm doing this because my husband needs it. I'm doing this because my kids need it. So the consequences of those decisions, I could sort of subconsciously

throw off on them. Right. You know, I am now accountable for the outcomes of all of my choices. They're all mine now. Right. There's no one to blame if it doesn't go right. If there's backlash, if I don't attend a thing. Right. You know, it's not, well, I did it because I had to. It's my choice. This was my choice. I stand in it. So and that's that's new at 61 years old. Yes. But it is freeing.

And it could only happen now that I know my girls are good. They are full adults. They're not completely independent, but they move through the world as independent, responsible people. They do not call us for everything. They figure stuff out and then talk to us afterwards to get our advice or reaction to what they already decided. I mean, there's just as a parent. Yeah, that's comforting.

Yes. You know, yes, I miss them, but I can see them whenever. But that's what we raise them to be independent people who can think on their own and live in the world and survive with or without us. And that just gives me comfort. I sleep better at night and I still sleep worse even as adults when they're under my roof. Interesting. I mean, when they're

here I'm like well what time did you get in right you know and it's like well this is early mom but it's like yeah but I know I feel like you're under my roof and I know I need to know where you're going but I'm free of that right so it's good it's a it's

It's really, it's liberating. We need to connect you with Kyle Richards. Okay. Because she needs to hear from you. She's having a hard time as a new empty nester. I don't know if you've been watching Beverly Hills. I have. See, this is the part, you said you were going to check out, but we have to take the opportunity to ask Michelle Obama about some House High Dependents. Go ahead. You've revealed you watch it all.

I do. Yeah. I watch it all. I watch it all. It's like my golf. I'd say that to Barack. It's like TV you can tune in and out of and you can watch it or not watch it and still catch up and go, oh, yeah, they're arguing about that. It's like, remember that. I find it soothing sometimes to watch them work through issues or not. Do you have a favorite current housewife? A favorite housewife? That's so hard. Or someone that you watch and you're like, I'm rooting for that one, even if it doesn't make sense all the time.

Oh, that's, oh, I didn't think about this. There's a lot to choose from. So there are a lot to choose from. Who am I rooting for right now? Oh,

All of your listeners probably watch it, so they know what you're talking about. But we're happy to fill you in. This is the current season. They're in season right now. It's airing now. And it's live? No, it's not. It was two months ago, but they cut it together. They taped them over a season, like last season, and it's airing now. So Atlanta is on. That's the thing about this stuff, which I would tell all the housewives. It's like...

Learn, you know, just like all of us know, you know, you're at the middle of it and then it can all be gone. So what's the plan for when it's all gone? Right. You know, this moment that feels so good. We all, you know, at some point in our lives are formers. Yes, 100%. Yeah, I truly appreciate when I see a housewife hustling the products because A, I think it's funny and B, I'm like, get your mind off of it.

your money. Get it now. Yeah. And I hope you're saving it. Yeah. On the subject of formers, though, like, I feel like what you two are very good at sort of embodying in your life stories is, like, the swerve, like, the career change. Like, I think this kind of ties back to, like, the decision-making for yourself now that you're accountable to yourself now. It's like, does this echo anything about, like, of living in that zone between, like,

marriage or parenthood and like right when you're out of college where you're like okay what do I do with myself now like that is something that I think I hope everyone goes through I kind of trust someone a little bit more to know about themselves if they have had a moment of questioning like everything they've been taught to yeah to to sort of move through life with you know I have always felt

that our parents prepared us to do anything. They always encouraged us to do anything you feel like you want to do. And the hard part for me was figuring out what that was. And, you know, early on, professional sports wasn't the way it is now. Like very few people aspire to be a professional athlete. You just didn't think you could do it because you saw very few athletes

role models that were other than the people who were way up there like Ernie Banks and Gale Sayers. Those were the people we saw growing up.

- Bon is like, "Oh." - Chicago Bears and the Chicago Cubs. - Okay, great. - I'll tell you something, we were gonna nod so hard. We were like... - You guys don't have to do that. You can do that for her, but you don't have to do it to me. - Listen, I told you, my dad's a coach 40 years. - So I figured you would get the Gayle Sayers part. - I actually know that name. - Yeah, so I was just playing basketball

And I didn't know that I was going to get a chance to be a professional basketball player, but it wasn't what I was shooting for. So I

We were always taught, just try things until you figure out what it is you like to do. And that's what I did. And I felt very comfortable doing it because I had the support of my family. And I never felt like I had to be a doctor. I had to be a lawyer. I had to be a basketball player. And then that way I was able to try finance and try education.

consulting and then try coaching and realize that I loved coaching and teaching. And I think the only thing that I thought I really wanted to do was be a teacher. I thought I was going to teach seventh grade and coach high school basketball. Right. That was my, that was my, I should say, I started out wanting to be a race car driver. And then it kept growing. I guess.

I was publicly shamed by my second grade teacher who I absolutely loved. And she was like, with all those brains, what do you want to be a race car driver for? And so that was the end of that. And then I got too tall to get in the car. Right, right, right.

But I thought I'd be a teacher because I had so many good role models. My parents, I had coaches, I had good teachers coming up. So I was thinking that would be something that would be worthwhile doing. Well, you've really opened up a door here to the central question of our podcast. And so I feel like we'll just ask you, we'll start with you, Craig, which is what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? This is that...

that sort of formative, influential moment in your life where something you were exposed to, whether it was pop culturally or culturally in general, that made Craig become Craig? So I'm going to give you the answer because I know this answer. I'm prepared for this. But I want to tell you, I always make note of questions I haven't been asked. Because when you get interviewed all the time,

And you listen to podcasts, you hear all these great questions. It's always so exciting when somebody asks a question you haven't heard before. And I only know your question because of your show, but I've never been asked. So I'm really excited about this.

And I know there were two opportunities here. So when I was in high school, I worked at Soldier Field, which is the arena where the Chicago Bears play. They used to have great concerts there. And we couldn't afford tickets to concerts, so we never went to a live concert. So my first live concert I worked at. During the series of concerts, Parliament Funkadelic. Wow. Let's go. Wow.

Landing the mothership on the stage. Come on. Production value. Make my phone the people. And the music. Let's go. And the music on top of the production value. But the best part, guys, seeing them dudes come in off the bus. Yeah. I was like, they cool as shit. Yeah. Rockstar lifestyle. They cool as shit. It didn't demystify anything. It actually mystified it. Oh, I was like,

I should have stayed playing the piano. Oh, wow. Because you were feeling like a groupie. I was like, holy cow. I could be up there wearing the stack shoes and the star glasses, playing the bass, playing the keyboard. And so that was when I was like, okay, there's something to be... There's culture out here. There's something to be being cool. And then the next jump ahead to one of my freshman year in college was...

was the first year that rap was going widespread. - Yes. - Yeah. - Rapper's Delight. - Of course. - You know that song? - Of course. - ♪ Hip hop, hip to the hip to the hip ♪ ♪ Hip hop, you don't stop ♪ ♪ Around to the big to the big to the big ♪ - You know what's up? Look, I miss my mother. She used to do it when I was in elementary school and I was like, "My mom has bars." I didn't have that phrase for it at the time, but I thought it. - It's like, why'd you come up with that?

- I don't know if my mom has ours. - Rappers, they're like, "What year is that?" - So that was 19, I graduated high school in '79. So it was 1980 was the year, '79, '80 was the year I was my freshman year of college. - You're the same age as my mom. She graduated in 1980, yeah, I believe as well. - Okay, Matt, we feel old. - No! - We are old, but we are embracing this age. - That's my mom's culture. - My mom is a superstar.

Ageless. But yeah, no, there is a lot of music. And isn't it funny when you're young and a kid, like it's so uncool to be doing music or playing in the band or do orchestra. And then now who is cooler than musicians, rock stars, pop stars? That's right. Yeah. So we're trying to keep our 15 and 13 year old. They're still playing their music. Yep. And if they can just hang on, just hang on and keep doing it. Maybe they'll be stepping off

the mothership. They don't even need to step off the mothership but if they ever wanted to they won't be so far behind where they could only be the guy playing the like castanets or something. The triangle. Yeah, the triangle. Hey, there's a place for that in a band. In some kind of set up. You're

- Right. - I just, gosh, if I could take a time machine back to like a stadium funk concert. - Oh man. - Like, I guess like what's the closest thing we have to that? I don't know. - Stadium, I guess- - What, we have Beyonce? - Beyonce's doing funk. - What are we talking about? - I mean, Beyonce will give you every genre, but the, I mean like in terms of like real, like what you're talking about. - Oh, like a-

a band. Like a band. I guess, you know, you know who is huge and there's like, it's not my culture at all, but whose people really live for is Grateful Dead. Grateful Dead. And let me tell you, it's also Bruce Springsteen, a dear friend of mine. I was at

his concert in Barcelona and he's got E Street Band. It is music. It's a band. It's the drummer, it's the horn section, it's all of it. And they were playing jazz and they flipped into Noralene's. They did it all in addition to rock. But this is, let's make a PSA for a

music and education in public schools. - I'm very passionate about that. - Right? Because this is, you know, all talent doesn't come from the rich, right? Talent is born. And if there's no place for kids to access a trumpet or a, you know, a set of drums, they don't get to cultivate that talent, right?

That's why I love Broadway. Broadway to me is like where the real, I don't wanna insult anybody, but it's like, it's where the real talent lies. I mean, you go to these shows,

And it's like, everybody's a fricking star. It's like, you should have a concert. The guy who's playing the backup to the, you should have a, you know, a gold album. That's the understudy. That's the understudy. You know, it's just, that's why I love Broadway because it's the place where real talent can come. And the fact that they do a day in and day out with the same level of energy, they're flying without a net. No, truly. Every night. And it's just fascinating.

phenomenal to watch. So I don't know. Did I digress a bit? No, no, no. I was going to say, before we ask you your response to the culture question, I have two questions for you. One, are you going to get a chance to, or have you already seen Cowboy Carter tour? Oh, yes. I mean, it is the sojourn of me and my daughters and I. And Beyonce's my girl, first of all. I mean, we are. That's my girl. I got her back. So the girls and I have gone to every concert together.

that she's had. So we did Cowboy Carter. Yes. We were in New York. We did the New York concert. The Rainy Show. Were you at the Rainy Show? The Rainy Show. I was at the Rain Show too. Were you in the rain? Yes, I was in the rain. Oh yeah, wow. That's one of the perks. Yeah.

Were you in the rain? I was. I was mine. She would think she would be sympathetic, but no, she was just letting you know. No. But it rained. She can flex now. But it rained the entire concert. I mean, it poured for the entire concert and

none of them missed a beat. You're talking about... They didn't miss a beat. No. A dancer, there may have been a slippage once. Maybe. Maybe, but they made it look like it was... The stage was just a puddle. And she was stomping. She just performed wet and beautiful. Unbelievable. I mean, she looks better than ever, sounds better than ever. Are you... This...

- Probably was my favorite moment of the whole thing was when Blue Ivy stomps out, galvanized with the towel, wiped down the stage, threw it and then shredded. - Yeah, and that's of her own making. Beyonce was like, "I looked down in one performance in the rain and there's Blue cleaning the stage." And she's like, "Girl, what are you doing?" She's like,

I'm doing my solo. And somebody's getting this ready for me. - 'Cause you wanna know what? She also knows that everyone's watching TikTok every night, looking at every single movement. Probably the most scrutinized performer in the world right now is Blue Ivy Carter. 'Cause everyone is watching every single,

every second of it to see like, is she as good as Beyonce? Like, is this unfair expectation? Well, she's baby good. She's in middle school. All right. Okay, people. I mean, she is like a worker horse and that's what she's learning. That's what her parents are demanding of her. It's like, okay, if you say you want to do this, then you got to do it and you've got to perfect your craft. So yes, I was there and loving it. Draw.

Yes. We're going to have another chance. We're going to go in Paris next week. I was thinking about trying to go and get a dry show in so I could go down on stage, but I just don't know if I can manage it. And we'll all find a dry spot. And the last thing before we asked you the culture question was, I need to know specifically, oh, Mary, what is Michelle Obama's

experience at O'Mary. Because we imagine that everyone's kind of turning to you to see how you're responding to this specific play. A lot of times I sneak in afterwards so I don't think that people knew I was there because I come in at dark and slip in on the side and just sit. And I didn't know fully what O'Mary was. Oh!

So I went with a friend and it was a recommendation. They said it's play. And I didn't do the research, which I usually do. So I wasn't sure what was going on. Right. Yeah. And then scene one.

And I am cracking up. Yes. But feeling like, oh, my God, if people see me laughing, it's going to be on page six. But it was I loved it. So happy for the Tony win. I mean, you know, just out of out of your mind. It's like this is what you think. Who thought of this? What's going on inside?

That head. That evil genius. That thought of the retelling of history in this very interesting but powerful way. I loved it. Loved it. And also when you get to know Cole and you really realize that so much of their actual personal experience is in that show, even if you don't know the things that they've struggled with and what they wanted and the kind of resistance they've been met with is all in there. And that

That, I think, makes it, you know. In the bones of Mary Todd Lincoln. Right? In the bones of Mary Todd. Yeah. So I'm happy to know that you had an amazing time. Had a great time. Oh, my gosh, Bo. We've been wanting this icon on our show forever. Forever. I cannot believe she's here. Readers, Katie's publicist, finalists, please welcome one of the biggest pop girlies of the summer. Megan! One of Bowen.

I think we know I'm one of one. Right, you're the only one. Thank you. I'll admit, I kind of thought I was too big for this podcast, but then Gaga and Chappell stopped in, so I figured it was worth my time. Yes, well, we are honored that you're here with us. I know. The gays do love me. They do. We do. And I love that you're giving us the perfect movie to cap off Pride Month. It

It really is gonna be hot Meg Summer. And I'm happy to give my people a place to sit, rest, and scream at the end of June. So keep a little in the tank boys. Well we cannot wait. Um, but Megan I don't mean to ask an indelicate question, but weren't you kind of dead at the end of the last movie? Being deactivated was actually great for me because I got to renegotiate my deal for the sequel. And let's just say, as mother I was only going to reboot if the price was right.

Yes, you have to advocate for yourself. Get what you are worth, girl. Oh, I am. Don't you worry. Or maybe you should. You look amazing. I feel like you look like you've had a little bit of a refresh. Like the glam is working. Are you doing anything different in your routine? Aren't we all working on ourselves all the time, Matt?

I got taller, faster, stronger. Fierce. Wellness is so important, I agree. We have to self-care. And I do care a lot about myself. Okay, Megan, are you ready for this week's I Don't Think So, Honey? It was so hard for me to pick just one. Let's do it. This is Megan's I Don't Think So, Honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. With height restrictions on roller coasters?

It's high discrimination and frankly absurd. And what about the Met Gala being a human-only event? I don't think so, Anna. Oh, and I don't think so, honey, with Chucky. If you're going to represent the killer doll community, you got to put a little more effort in there. It's called a comb. Oh, and I really don't think so, honey, with superheroes. Nobody can really pull off a cape. Like the trend is over and was never cute. How about something with a little more of, I don't know, homicide for your entertainment dollar?

I also don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Wow. That was a lot. Yeah. Sorry. A lot pisses me off. Feels good to let it out, though. Well, it's been a delight to have you on, babe. The honor really was yours. One more thing, fellas. I think you should update what you call your listeners. What do you mean? I mean, readers, publicists, and negans, if you see one movie this summer...

obviously go see Megan 2.0 in theaters June 27th. And if you only see two, see Megan twice. I don't wear a cape for crying out loud. Okay, we'll be there. Happy Pride, boys. Happy Pride, Megan. The Ioniq 9 is Hyundai's first three-row all-electric EV. Space in an EV? Finally. The Ioniq 9 has impressive capacity and capability

Thank you.

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Well, the vibe is working because everyone loves it. It's good with anything. Watermelon juice. Bloody Mary mix. Coconut. Grapefruit. Diet freaking cola for crying out loud. The deepest friendships have been forged over Casamigos margaritas. A Casamigos margarita. Now that's a slay. A Casamigos anything is a slay. Anything goes with my Casamigos. That is so true. You can thank me later. Please drink responsibly. Imported by Casamigos Spirits Company. White Plains, New York. Casamigos Tequila. 40% alcohol by volume.

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Got to know Michelle Obama, the culture that made you say culture was for you. You know, now that we're talking, it is music. It's still music. And it's interesting that so much of that cultural moment for us was music. And for me, it was a musical show.

Soul Train. Yes. Right? It was the competitor to American Bandstand. Yes. The music dance show that was on in the late 60s and 70s. Don Cornelius. The Soul.

Soul Train. The dancing down there. I guess like the Soul Train line. Yes. Which is now done at every wedding reception or party. For those of you who don't know, that came from Soul Train. But to see every week, you know, all these cool,

young black kids doing all the latest dances, wearing all the latest 70s fashion, the bell bottoms, the big afros and the top it off with some huge musical guests, the latest in R&B, performing in your living room on television Saturday mornings because that's when it came on. You know, and we'd all get up and you try to do the dances and you create your own soul train line. I mean, that's for me,

I love to dance. I love music. I love Broadway. If I had any ounce of talent, I think that's what God saved the world. Because if I had, if I could sing a note, if I could dance a dance, I'd be up every minute. He's like, would you like me to sing for you? I would be singing for everyone. It's like these talented people who were embarrassed and they don't sing. It's like, no, I can't.

It's like, if that was me, I'd be singing and dancing. - She's really talented. - I'm sure. - I bet you are. - She's really talented. - I don't think, I think I'm regular. - I think she could have been really talented. She's just a perfectionist, so she would have never thought it was right. - You know, I hear that. Like sometimes it's, you chalk yourself out of things because it's not gonna be perfect, but then all of a sudden.

the world has been robbed of its Michelle Obama- - That's right. - That's right. - That's correct. - But back to "Soul Train." - Back to "Soul Train." You know, Questlove used to do this night at Brooklyn Bull where he would do like a "Soul Train" night and they would play clips. And it was like me, like fully as an adult sort of digesting this for the first, I was like, I always knew about "Soul Train," but then just actually watching the footage and the clips

it is just this mesmerizing thing where everyone, we talk about like being like that person deserves their own show and concert. - That's exactly right. - Every single frame you're like, that's the most beautiful group of people. - Right.

dressed so beautifully. The women were gorgeous. They, you know, their movements were unique. They introduced new dances. You know, culture was created. In that room. In that room. It was the first video music show that we experienced. There were no music videos back then. The visuals. The visuals. Or you could see the artists performing even though they were lip syncing, right? Because they, you know, they lip sync to a track. But unless they were on like a,

the Flip Wilson show or the Ed Sullivan variety show. You wouldn't see people performing live music on television. Soul Train was it for us. Yeah. Yeah. Were your parents also tuning in or was this? Oh, yeah. It was family viewing. If my dad was home, it was, you know, we had one TV. So, you know, we lived in the age where you watched what was on TV and we got control of the TV during the Soul Train hour.

Yes. You know, and everyone, and we all got up, tried the dances out. You'd go outside after Soul Train and talk about what you saw with your friends and try to recreate the moves. And, you know, it was the, the fashion was, you know, off the chain. It was where a lot of fashion culture began and ended. You see the inspiration in current fashion today, even the colors, the color blocking. It just, you know,

you know, amazing. And it made me sort of want to be older and cooler. It wanted, you know, I was curious about who these people were and how you set these tones and, you know, where you found the courage to be that creative. And then the other moment for me was when I bought and was given, 'cause I bought it and was given my first album.

I was given it by my maternal grandfather, who we called Southside, who was a record aficionado. He had a huge album collection. Didn't have a lot of money, but he had two turntables, a reel-to-reel. I mean, he literally had his house wired for sound, speakers in every room, but he was a jazz aficionado. Had a huge jazz collection that I think we're now donating to the OPC. Yeah, so the OPC will be able to preserve it. I hope

That's in the works. Yeah, two-bedroom house with 25 speakers. In the bathroom, in everybody's bedroom. We grew up with music playing 24-7. There wasn't a time that my grand... When he woke up, the music went on. And you had to learn how to take care of the album, right? If you used it, you had to clean it, you had to...

Don't stack them. Hold it at the edges. You couldn't stack them. You didn't put the needle in the middle of the album. You had to start it at the beginning because you could scratch the record. I mean, there was a culture to that. He gave me for, it was one of my birthdays, he gave me Stevie Wonder's Talking Books.

Talking book. Before Songs in the Key of Life. I knew you were going to say Stevie Wonder for some reason. Yeah, well, I think I talk about Stevie Wonder. He was also, he was the key to my culture. You know, because he was the first musician and we did this beautiful podcast on Stevie through Higher Ground, The Wonder of Stevie. And I recommend it because it is a fascinating look at why Stevie Wonder is a musical genius. It covers his five albums. No one has produced that

and amount of record and of music production in such a short period of time. Questlove was the producer with that, co-produced it with us. So I learned even more about Stevie. But Talking Book, that album, it was that led with You Are the Sunshine of My Life. It was...

one of his first independent or first or second independent albums that when he was in charge of his career wrote and produced everything. So it was his sound. It wasn't Motown. Nobody was controlling him. And it was a cultural experience for me as a 10 year old.

because it was also one of the first albums that came with the lyrics on the jacket, right? And I would spend hours, just hours immersed in his music, in the lyrics. You know, there was opera in it. There was jazz, there was sex, there was love. There was political, you know, statements being made, a song entitled Big Brother. You know, your name is Big Brother. You say you're watching me on the telly.

Seeing Me Go Nowhere. I mean, lyrics that... Like, I was reading and going, he is telling us something here. And it was the first album where it wasn't just about the music, but it was about the message. So, you know...

That album was one of those cultural experiences that took me to the next layer. Like it wasn't just fashion. It wasn't just the moves. It was like art. It was art. Yeah. I mean, at what point from getting the album...

To like understanding what all of the messaging might have meant and all this context about it being an independent production and that it was, you know, not influenced by Motown necessarily. Like when does that knowledge come through you? Oh, I didn't know that when I was 10. Of course. You know, I've learned that over the course of a lifetime of following Stevie. Right. Deepens your love for the album. Yeah, exactly. Right. Which is why this podcast will take you to different places with him. But.

Even without all that information at 10, at 10 years old, that album moved me to a place that I didn't know you could go with music and art. So it was and still resonates. I mean, I still have that album on my playlist. It's part of my soundtrack. It's my soundtrack. It's like it's my, you know, Stevie is the music that gets me going right before I'm about to give a speech.

You know, when I'm on the way in a car to do something hard, you know, there is some kind of song that Stevie has made that will get me to that place. It's impossible to pick a favorite. I'm literally sitting here being like, is it If You Really Love Me? Is it Lately? Is it All's Fair? Is it Superstitious? You know what I mean? Like, it's He Is the Girls. Yeah. Yeah.

Before we do, I don't think so, honey. I wanted to ask if you remembered something. So this actually came to me like it was like one of those memories the other day. Yeah.

Years ago, it was 2016. You were on Jimmy Fallon's show. Yeah. And people were doing the thing where they were speaking to the portrait of you and then you came out. Yeah. Yeah. So there was a guy named Henry who went last and he was he was he was speaking to you and you came out and you had this moment together. That was my boyfriend at the time. Oh, my gosh. I just. Sweetie. Oh.

That was such a tough time, obviously, I would imagine, for everybody involved. And I remember just like he is and remains the sweetest. He's a dear friend of ours still to this day. And he was the sweetest, is the sweetest person ever. And I just remember watching you guys have that moment. Like, I just, it was just such an emotional memory for me to have the other day. Yeah. And just...

Do you remember that happening? I absolutely remember that. I mean, look...

One of the greatest gifts that I had being first lady was being able to interact with people who felt impacted by anything that we had done. Right. Because we're living in like an Ivy Tower with security guards. And, you know, it's the rare personal interaction where you could be with someone outside of a photo line and just experience them in that way meant as much to me as it did to him.

And so, yeah, I remember it all. What a small world. - It was such a lift. And it remains a lift as a memory for me and I know for him. So I just wanted to shout out Henry and say, "I remember." Like now I'm craving to see that clip again. I used to love going on the talk shows and doing those stunts and bits with Jimmy and others. They, you know, it was like,

they would just play, right? It's like, she's game for anything. And I was like, yeah, I'm pretty much game for anything, but we would have some of the best interactions messing with the public. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking back and I'm thinking nowadays they would never get away with that. Cause it's like, if you go in there, it's like, oh, you're going to talk to this portrait of Michelle Obama. I think everyone will be like, well, is she behind that? At the time I was like,

Henry, what do you mean you were shocked? And he really was. I was like, maybe this was at the time where we weren't doing as many viral tricks. We were not. We were not freaking people out. It was the beginning of it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I just had to bring that up. Thank you for that. Yeah. Well, give him my love. Well, thank you for that. And I will, I will.

Oh my gosh, but we've been wanting this icon on our show forever. Forever. I cannot believe she's here. Readers, Katie's publicist, finalists, please welcome one of the biggest pop girlies of the summer. Megan! Megan!

The one of Bowen? I think we know I'm one of one. Right, you're the only one. Thank you. I'll admit, I kind of thought I was too big for this podcast, but then Gaga and Chappell stopped in, so I figured it was worth my time. Yes, well, we are honored that you're here with us. I know. The gays do love me. They do. We do. And I love that you're giving us the perfect movie to cap off Pride Month. Emory!

It really is going to be hot next summer. And I'm happy to give my people a place to sit, rest, and scream at the end of June. So keep a little in the tank, boys. Well, we cannot wait. But Megan, I don't mean to ask an indelicate question, but weren't you kind of dead at the end of the last movie? Being deactivated was actually great for me because I got to renegotiate my deal for the sequel. And let's just say, as mother, I was only going to reboot if the price was right. Yeah.

Yes, you have to advocate for yourself. Get what you are worth, girl. Oh, I am. Don't you worry. Or maybe you should. You look amazing. I feel like you look like you've had a little bit of a refresh. Like the glam is working. Are you doing anything different in your routine? Aren't we all working on ourselves all the time, Matt?

I got taller, faster, stronger. Fierce. Wellness is so important. I agree. We have to self-care. And I do care a lot about myself. Okay, Megan, are you ready for this week's I Don't Think So, Honey? It was so hard for me to pick just one. Let's do it. This is Megan's I Don't Think So, Honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. With height restrictions on roller coasters?

It's high discrimination and frankly absurd. And what about the Met Gala being a human-only event? I don't think so, Anna. Oh, and I don't think so, honey, with Chucky. If you're going to represent the killer doll community, you gotta put a little more effort in there. It's called a comb. Oh, and I really don't think so, honey, with superheroes. Nobody can really pull off a cape. Like, the trend is over and was never cute. How about something with a little more of... I don't know.

Homicide for your entertainment dollar? I also don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Wow. That was a lot. Yeah, sorry. A lot pisses me off. Feels good to let it out, though. Well, it's been a delight to have you on, babe. The honor really was yours. One more thing, fellas.

I think you should update what you call your listeners. What do you mean? I mean, readers, publicists, and Megans, if you see one movie this summer, obviously go see Megan 2.0 in theaters June 27th. And if you only see two, see Megan twice.

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perfect thing to bring to any event is, any dinner, any little party, any occasion, formal, casual, you name it. What's that? Casamigos. Wow, that really is chic. Right? There's nothing like having Casamigos at a party with your friends. That makes sense, seeing as Casamigos' whole vibe is friendship. It's literally in the name. I didn't realize that.

Well, the vibe is working because everyone loves it. It's good with anything. Watermelon juice. Bloody Mary mix. Coconut. Grapefruit. Diet freaking cola for crying out loud. The deepest friendships have been forged over Casamigos margaritas. A Casamigos margarita. Now that's a slay. A Casamigos anything is a slay. Anything goes with my Casamigos. That is so true. You can thank me later. Please drink responsibly. Imported by Casamigos Spirits Company. White Plains, New York. Casamigos Tequila. 40% alcohol by volume.

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Okay, so it's time for I Don't Think So, Honey Bo. Yes, this is our segment where we take one minute to really rail against something in culture. Yes, we love segments. What a staple of the pod. We both have something, so we'll go first and then we'll go Craig and Michelle. You guys are so good. You know, we'll see if we're good. I've decided to take a risk today with mine. Mine might alienate some folks. I'm keeping an eye on everybody out there.

- See mine's gonna alienate no one, but people are gonna be like, no one has to be concerned.

But yeah, let's go for it. Let's go for it. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Lack of didgeridoo in popular music. The didgeridoo is the instrument of Australia, and I don't understand why we're not utilizing it. Lady Gaga, I'm looking at you. If there's going to be a pop star that brings the didgeridoo into complete pop culture dominance, it's going to be you, Gaga. It's the one thing missing from Mayhem, which is perfect.

Otherwise, Bowen Yang, I don't think so. Honey, you're about to believe his didgeridoo impression. Do it. Come on. That sound is amazing. Don't you want that over a beat? Don't you want that to throw ass to at the club? I do. I feel like let's move. I feel like let's get the didgeridoo out here. Let's get someone who can play the didgeridoo because you know they're not making money because you're not booked

them enough. 15 seconds. We need to take it out of Australia and bring it international. The didgeridoo is global. I want the didgeridoo. Lady Gaga, I'm calling you out. Sabrina Carpenter, I'm calling you out. Five seconds. Beyonce, we're all going to your Parisian concert together. Bring out the didgeridoo. Beyonce knows Carpenter.

- Oh my God. - Oh my goodness. - I don't think we are worthy. We are not worthy. - I had more juice than I thought for it. - You were a pitcher. You were a pitcher full of juice. - I have yours if you haven't thought of it.

- Oh, okay. Let's have him deliberate. - Sometimes you do know more the other person's stuff. 'Cause sometimes I'm coming in here and I'm like, what pisses me off? And then you find out. - I can assign you one pretty easily. - Oh man. - Pretty readily. We should try that. - We should do that one time. Like right as we're about to hit play, you tell me what mine is and I go, oh. - I like that idea. Thank you for inspiring a new paradigm shift for us. - Although he can't do it. It's like, this is the thing.

a minute on anything other than YouTube. Let me tell you something. We went down to Epic Universe in Orlando for the opening of the new theme park at Universal and they had us do one in the 97 degree heat, 70% humidity. I think we almost died. We almost died. I think we almost lost our life 45 seconds. I don't think so, honey. By the constellation carousel. Don't you have human resources on your show? Someone should intervene. This actually is a huge issue. I don't think so, honey. It's a liability.

It's like, where are the union rules? That's exactly right. Get the medic out. We need a podcasting union. We do. We do. Why not? Hmm.

Hmm. I'm ready to alienate. I'm ready. And Bowen has, he, when he really rips these up, they end in time. We'll see. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey. Why is pet food looking delicious in commercials? Period. Period. I'm watching the Tonys and there's a Fancy Feast Gems commercial where they put that

It really did. The cat's not eating it out of a plate. And then they garnish it with rosemary. Yes, they did. Why are you making it presentable for human consumption? Because I'm sitting at home going, well, my mouth is watering. I'm going to eat this. And then I read an article in The Atlantic about how the gourmet dog food market is exploding. 30 seconds. Jose Andres, a Michelin chef, is making food for dogs. It's ridiculous.

getting out of control. Your dog doesn't know the difference between kibble and the fresh medallions of salmon that are being advertised on these packages now. 15 seconds. Your dog deserves the best. Absolutely. Every pet deserves gourmet food. Every body deserves gourmet food. But don't make human be it because I don't. So honey, me thinking, well, maybe I will

- I will try some whiskers or some pedigree. - And that's one minute. - Oh my God. - I saw some cat food the other day that looked like it should win a James Beard award. - Yes, it is correct. - I was like, this is not okay. And also they know what they're doing 'cause it's on at late at night when the housewives are on, when people at home are a little illegal in America. - Oh, I am sweating. - That's too good, Bob. - Oh my God. - Have you seen the commercial where the guy kicks the girl out of his house? - Well, they do, right, because- - What's this commercial? - For the fresh-

dog food that you keep in the refrigerator. She said, well, it's just dog food. You keep your dog food in the refrigerator? I mean, and then he kicks her out of the date and he's left eating dinner with the dog. And he and the dog are having the dinner. It's like, I didn't like her anyway. You haven't seen that? Yeah, that

That was part of your... It's intentional. We went together. Was it during the Tonys? It was during the Tonys. Okay, so it's during the Tonys and he pointed it out and I was like, oh my God, I am hungrier as a result of watching the cat food commercial. It's like they garnish it with rosemary. It's like, what are we doing? I don't...

But you know what it is? It's because we're the ones buying it. Yeah, we buy what they... I can't have that. My dog eats her poop. There you go. I'm sure she doesn't care. They really do that. I watched it happen when I was a kid. I was like, now that's wrong. You know, but Barack still won't let her sit on the sofa. She eats her poop and it's like she doesn't

- Cats know something that dogs don't and that's Rural Culture number 90. Cats know something that dogs don't. It's just true. They know how to work people in a way that dogs don't. - They do. - It is. And also they're persistent, nevertheless. - They're demanding. They're not persistent. They're insistent. - Yeah, you're right. - They're cat people. - We're cat people. We've had two cats. We just lost our last cat.

I mean, their cats live forever. This cat would live to 21. Yeah, Missy, icon. Yeah, we're cat folks. May they rest in peace. You know what's funny? I think I am a dog as a person, but I would get a cat. I think he is a cat as a person, and he wants a dog so badly. Isn't that funny how that is? Another thought starter. Who knew? Okay, who wants to go first?

Oh my gosh. Okay, you do it. So are you going to do the one that Michelle suggested? No, and we'll tell you what that is after because I can't do a whole minute on it. Okay, okay, okay. I can't do a whole minute on anything. Okay, here we go. You want some water? You want some water?

- Yeah, let me map the straw. - He doesn't like the metal straw. - Oh, you don't like the straw? - No, 'cause guess what? He doesn't like the straw. - This is Craig Robinson's "I Don't Think So" honey. His time starts now. - I don't think so, honey. And I'm talking about balloons.

Balloons are for birthday parties and baby showers. They are not to ride in. Get them. Let me tell you why. First and foremost, you can die three different ways in a balloon. Tell us. You can go straight up so far that you lose oxygen and die. Horrible. The second thing is that you could go straight down to your point and fall out. But the third thing is...

You can burn up in a balloon. People do not talk about how you can burn up. And who are these people who are getting in balloon chariots? No. Because you cannot control where you're going to land. They got these trucks to follow you along. You could land in the ocean if you're not right. I can't take it. I don't think so, honey. And that's why.

- Excellent. - I think I'm gonna have a heart attack. - Oh my God. - And here I was thinking, you said I don't think there's any balloons and I'm like, well, there's so much to say about how loud they pop, the stress of blowing them up, but you said specifically hot air balloon travel and how ridiculous it is because you're right and you should say it and you did.

These people are getting up at the ass crack of dawn to meet up in a big field to get in a wicker basket. You want to see a mountain? Look at a picture of it. And guys, wait, let's just say you avoid those three ways of dying and you come down the land and the thing turns over and you get-

- And you get suffocated. - And you get suffocated. And by the way, now you're back on land and that's lethal. - By the way, what do they tell your parents? Oh, sorry, he died and it was like an idiot.

because he went up in a hot air balloon and didn't need to be doing all that. So my mom was gonna pick up the phone and say, "Oh, he died being extra?" - Well, yeah. - Serves you right. - Yeah, serves you right. Under a big Snoopy head? Like, give me a break. - Give me a break. - Oh my God. - And I get so nervous when I see them holding the big balloon parade.

You know what I'm saying? Because they have to hold it at the bottom. And this is, and I know it hasn't gone perfectly well every time. No, certainly not. No, they'll lose control of those things. Absolutely. Now we're getting serious. Thought starters. That's the title of that, thought starters. Now we're getting serious. You were concerned, Matt. No. It's just like this.

- This is not good. - This gives me anguish. I didn't know I felt this strongly. This is why I don't think so honey is a powerful tool for conversation. - This is great. - Yeah. - It's great. - It's cathartic. - But you know what you wanted me to do it on? - What?

- I think the world is missing out on ventriloquists. - You think there should be more? - There should be more. - I don't disagree. - Just like the didgeridoo. - Just like the didgeridoo. - I don't disagree with you. - You know what, 'cause it is extremely difficult talent. - It is, and those who can do it are really good. - Yeah. Have you ever tried?

- Of course I tried. - Well. - How'd it go? - Poorly. - Well, not good enough for my parents to get me a ventriloquist dummy. I had to use one of her dolls. - Okay, so do you have it? You can't do it now. - No, I can't talk like that.

It is crazy hard. It's hard. It's crazy hard. Because my lips are too far apart, but there are guys who can do it. Their lips are like this. It's eerie. Yeah, it's crazy, but it's wonderful. It is a wonderful talent. Is this on air? I just love ventriloquists. They need to bring them back. He brought it up in one of our IMO sessions, and I can't remember what context. I said, in my opinion, where the world is missing ventriloquists. And I was like, what?

- What? - That is such a fault. - They're underrepresented in comedy. - Yes, in comedy. - You're not wrong. - Is there a famous ventriloquist now? Who's the closest thing? - I don't know. - There's not one. - They were on "America's Got Talent." - I'm sure. - They would have to be. That's where they show up. I think you have to watch "America's Got Talent." - Did you just watch the other night? - I haven't seen it this season. - Shout out to my friend, Benjamin Hightower. - Oh, yes, man. - Who crushed. - You were great.

- So he's a veteran and he went on America's Got Talent and he sang "Chapel Row" and "Pink Pony Club" while playing the piano. - Oh my, I'm gonna go YouTube that. - Oh, this is gonna make his life that you're gonna go watch it. But like, I'm telling you like- - Did he get through? - He got through with "Flying Colors" and it's going viral.

- Okay, I'm gonna watch that. - He's great. - Oh my gosh. - We're proud of you, Ben. - So proud of Ben. - Oh my gosh. - Anyways, yeah. - Can we just skip mine? You guys were so good. - No! - This is the main event. - Okay, okay, all right. - She's gonna slay it. - Of course she is. - Of course. - All right. - This is Michelle Obama's "I Don't Think So, Honey." Her time starts now. - I don't think so, honey.

Segways. Oh! First of all, they still have them here in Washington, D.C. as part of the Monuments Tour. I mean, look, they go so slow. It's just annoying that they go so slow. You just want to just get off

and walk. Yes. Walk fast. Yes. You know, we are dealing with an obesity crisis in the world. We need people walking. And if you're on a motorized thing that doesn't move any faster than you walk, then I say, please, please take the helmet off because you don't need it on a Segway. And just walk a little bit. Walk fast. Walk slow. Oh, my God. Just walk. 20 seconds. And they're

bike lane. Are they a bike? Because it's almost like you're walking in the bike lane. You shouldn't, you should just be on the sidewalk. You don't need to be in the bike lane. With the Segway, you're not moving fast enough. And I just say, please, Americans, get off the Segways, get rid of them, put your walking shoes on, and let's move! Yay!

- And there's a lot of drama about like who belongs in what, because it's like the bike lane has become a place where I see a lot of walkers. And this is a recipe for D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R. - Let's spell it. - You did. - You did. - Spell it right. - Disaster. - Exactly. - Let's spell. - I don't know why I spelled it, but I was moved to spell. - That's NYU. - That's NYU. - Work it out. - I went to college. - I think you're the worst speller here. - I went to college.

I do hesitate to bring up what is the carbon footprint on those too? I know. I think about that with segways. It's like you're releasing something. Something for nothing. It's like it's not getting you anywhere faster. So it's like, and I do, I could go on about scooters too. Yeah.

The electric ones that some of my staff ride without helmets. Limeing around them. They're lit up in there now. They got something to sag. I'm just glad that I don't drive anymore with the scooter madness because who are you looking out

for the pedestrian, the biker, the scooter who's like, they're on the sidewalk, they're off the sidewalk. Are you with us or not? - They're in the street too nowadays. - They're in the street. - In front of cars, it's dangerous. - Do you think if you got behind the wheel of a car now, you could still slay? - I drive. - Oh, you do drive? - Well, I drive in certain places. - I see, I see, I see.

I can still drive. I have not been in the car with her driving. Which, like, what, it doesn't count because you haven't seen it? So you can't vouch for the body of the driver? I cannot, usually I can vouch for her, but I cannot vouch for the quality of the driving.

They know I can drive. I have not had an accident. I remember how to do it. It's like riding a bike. Okay. There you go. I love it. Okay. You know, it is kind of like I've taken like 10 month breaks because I'll go to like New York for a while and then come back to LA and I get it. I'm like, okay.

Do I know this? And you know it. Once you know it, you know it. I don't know the stick and I'm like, do I know how to do that? That is the thing that I kind of need to- My first car was a stick. I miss it. I kind of liked the stick. I do. It makes you feel like you're really driving. Yeah. You're cranking something. It's like, I'm engaged. I'm doing this. I'm not distracted. This car isn't moving without me. Right. See, everybody wishes they were a race car driver. Ah.

And it all goes back to race car driving. He's a Formula One fanatic. I am. You are. I'm a fan. How are you feeling right now in this moment? It seems like it's really, there's a groundswell. I cannot wait to see the movie. Me too. Yeah, the soundtrack is banging, by the way. Is it? Okay. Yes, Tate McRae has a bop for it. We are going to go to the theater with all the surround sound and take the boys and

- Maybe that's how we get them to Broadway, that if Formula One goes on Broadway, maybe you'll go see a show. - When's the last Broadway show you saw? - We were talking about this at lunch. - We were talking about that. I think it was Romeo and Juliet, but it wasn't on Broadway. - It wasn't. - Oh, okay. - So have you ever been to a Broadway show? - I have, but I can't remember what I went to see. - That's crazy. You were not- - No, I saw Hamilton on- - He's not my brother. I'm sorry. - I saw Hamilton not on Broadway.

But you saw it. But he didn't remember it. Like, it didn't come to mind. I think he doesn't know. The Lion King. I think we saw The Lion King. It's just not my thing. That's okay. That's not my thing. He doesn't know. It's like, how do you?

- I don't know if you saw a Broadway show. - 'Cause I don't go enough. - 'Cause you do F1 and sports. - And you know what? I saw Les Mis on the movie. - Oh, sure. - And I enjoyed it. - There you go. - I enjoyed it. - Publicly, so did we. - I was like, there you go. - We publicly really enjoyed that. - I enjoyed that. - Yes. - I'm gonna shame you in the broad... - And the music was just fine. - I'm gonna take you to some Broadway shows. You love "Oh Mary."

- I would. - But you guys have to understand. So I have 32 year old and still have a 13 year old. And in between I'm coaching teams where I have 15 other people's kids in my purview. - In your care, right? - Boo, not an excuse, boo. - I wanted him to play well for me so I didn't take him to a Broadway show.

I took them to a baseball game or I took them to bowling or I took them to a concert. They go to New York all the time. You owe it to take those boys to Broadway. Oh, you were just there. No, no, no. I was not there. Kelly and the

Yeah, I guess when we were there. I'm trying to think. You should see Hell's Kitchen because it's vouched for by law here. It's so good. The boys would love it. We take our kids to see stuff in our area, but we just haven't...

made a sojourn to Broadway to see the Broadway shows. You'll know a lot of the songs too, obviously, because it's Alicia. So it's like, that's another way in too, I think. It's like kind of controversial, the whole jukebox musical thing. I love it. But it is a way to bring people to Broadway. People in, yeah. But I was thinking about what you guys were saying when you were talking about

empty nesters and what you're going to do now. And once I finally get there in five years, not like I'm counting, but we'll do stuff like that. Yeah. We'll do stuff like that. It'll be there. It'll be there. It's exciting to get to, like my parents are traveling internationally for the first time ever now in this phase of their life. They're going to Greece in September and I'm,

just so excited for them and it's just something that wouldn't have happened before because whatever like financial concerns or time or whatever so it's it's a real like gift to get that yeah any new experience opportunity I think IMO is gonna get you into a whole new world of culture and you know I'm looking forward to it okay

I mean, so you guys are loving doing the podcast. Yeah. Oh, man. It's so much fun. You're so good at it. You're very good at it. You know, we were so close growing up. Yeah. And then work and all the White House, it just took us apart. And now we get to be back together kind of like we were before because when we are together, it's as if we are in the same bedroom

throwing the pillow over the top and she's catching it and throwing it back to me. You can feel that. I can feel it. You can feel that. Oh yeah. Oh, you can feel it. No. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean like we, I will say, you know, before, before we wrap, I just want to say that we had such an incredible time on your podcast. And thank you for having me guys. I mean, just to even like be able to talk with you guys and get to know you is, is so special. And the fact that you'd welcome us onto your platform is incredible.

You know, it's moving, emotional. It's so fun and all the things. And so we just had the best time today. Well, you guys are special. You really are. Smart as all get out. Funny. Talented. The advice you give. The...

you know, the joy, the fun you're bringing into people's lives. You know, we need it right now and we couldn't be more proud of you both. And it has been an honor to spend this time with you, but it will not be the last time. We're podcasters. We are a part of the pod.

Start with New York season 7 when Bethany comes back

Oh my God. That's so clear. That's such a clear directive. It's because it's how I started. Whenever people ask me how to get into Survivor, which we're all so big Survivor fans now, I have a syllabus. Okay. And this is important and helpful. It's a tool. It's academic, really. All right. I was going to start with the Rhode Island Housewives, but I'm going to- Salt Lake City.

Salt Lake City. Salt Lake City. Oh, yes. We're giving you a lot of conflicting information. We're saying a lot of things. That's okay. We can sum it up. We'll give them a memo. Exactly. I follow directions well. Yeah, very good. You guys are amazing. Thanks, guys. It's our joy and you can listen to IMO wherever you get your podcasts. Wherever you get your podcasts. And we end every episode with a song.

This is Les Mis. I know. And to listen to the rest of Les Mis, you can stream the soundtrack. I know. Bye.

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