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Yeah, it was crazy. It was sort of like, oh, this is what it must be like for Mick Jagger. Man, what's happening, man? You got Marshawn, Beastmode, Lynch, Doug Hendrickson, and Gavin Newsom, and you're listening to Politicking. Hey, Marshawn, what about this? I mean, it's been like Christmas for me early. The greatest coach of all time.

Our good friend of the program, who many people don't realize that you and Bill are good friends. Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick, the head coach of North Carolina. I know. Marshawn, what's your thoughts on that? Man, that's crazy. That is crazy. Considering we just talked to Grump and Edelman, and Edelman said he 100% guaranteed that he would get back into coaching.

well here's my thought people are like why is he doing this this is crazy but like at the end of the day like we always say we're on borrowed time and so if you look if your coaching's in your blood you think bill's gonna sit around the condo in florida and just chill yeah but no but the bigger question of course he wants to coach and he said that he said because they said why do you want to do this this is better than a job he says i love what i do but what about all those nfl teams that were

There were likely, look, I think a lot of them, I think a lot of them missed the boat. I think that, but you got, you, we were talking about bloody Monday a couple of weeks ago on the podcast. It's coming. It's coming. It hasn't even come. And then all those opportunities to present themselves anew. Every one of these head coaching jobs. I think the problem is the perception on coach is that they think he's going to come in and have his own people do his own thing instead of being open to

possibly work with others, et cetera, which is not, I'm not saying it's the right move. I'm saying it's short-sighted on these owners because it's the greatest coach of all time. Okay. Yet you're going to hire an assistant. You're going to hire a coordinator, defense coordinator, offense coordinator versus Bill. I think it's crazy. But I think he said- So you're telling me, Marshawn, you think this is accurate, that he wasn't likely going to get

an NFL coaching opportunity. And that's why he jumped at UNC. I just don't think it would have been in the conditions that he would probably want it. So, Marshawn, the question is these youngsters, how will the youngsters deal with Bill?

The college kids in the transfer portal wanting more money, going to him for money. Do they want to play for him? How do you think these guys are going to react as far as the young guys in today's culture? I mean, it's going to show a lot. It's going to show, you know, with those youngsters, like, is they really in it for, you know what I mean, to be the best player or if they just in it for a bag. And a lot of that shit is going to show because we just talking to a lot of players that play for him, like,

Like he he he no fucking joke when it comes to, I mean, playing ball. Tough. So if that's not what you're about, then you probably not going to make it over there. Most definitely. But he don't he don't weed out. And I mean, you know, you look at he took, you know, he take late round drafted individuals and he go build super teams with him.

So, I mean, you know, it's in him to do it. And then, I mean, you know, just the fact that he'll be able to get exactly the kind of players that he want, then that shit just will take care of everything. Because once you buy into the program, then it's hard to be beat, which is why I think he has so much success, you know what I mean, especially with the guys that he had. It wasn't like he had a team full of fucking –

superstars. He took guys and then turned them into superstars because they bought into superstars.

his program well now look at the college is like an NFL system Gavin you have a salary cap of 12 13 million bucks you got to spend 100 players and so you you now have to figure out what value to put in the quarterback the running back O-line transfer portal guys all that stuff so so Bill can manage this now because he's got that NFL mindset and he spent a lot of time University of Washington with with my client Jed Fish yep his son was coordinator up there to learn what to do

But this brings me back to the way, you know what? That Washington experience may explain a lot of this. A hundred percent. Like not overstated. Yeah. Cause it was interesting. You were telling me this time last year, how much time Bill was actually spending up there and hanging out, walking around engaged. That was kind of an early clue. And he got to know it and he got to like it and all that. Yeah. I didn't even think about that in the context. For our audience. One of the great stories. I don't know if you remember Marshawn a couple of years ago, we leave it, we leave at lunch and there's me and coach and we get in the car and

And I'll never forget, I think I'm in the very backseat, and you and Bill are in the front seat. And Marshawn looks at Bill and says, Coach, I fuck with you. And he's like, no, no, I really fuck with you. And Bill looks at him and he's like, Marshawn, I fuck with you too. He's like, no, no, no, Coach, you don't understand. I really fuck with you. And Bill's like, dude, I really. And it was a love fest between Marshawn and Bill. And I think, Marshawn, correct me if I'm wrong, you then said, Coach, by the way, you do owe me one of these rings. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, you will be one of these rings. Remember that? I do remember that. I do remember that. People that don't know Belichick don't know what a great guy that he is. Great guy. And I mean, you see him on, and even the way Marshawn was describing him, if you're not bought into the program, you're out of the program. It's one thing on the field when he's coaching, that's sort of a different Bill Belichick, but off the field.

There's not a nicer guy. If you're in Bill's orbit, he's family. Like I, for whatever reason, Bill and I have gotten to be very close. And I was always one of the only agents he ever dealt with and communicated with. But if you're not in that orbit, he can be a scary motherfucker. Do you remember, speaking of family, you remember we had, and this is one of my great memories. We're at the Super Bowl. You and I were there together. Belichick is there. He's sitting to my right.

and Pat Riley sitting to my left. And we're watching the 49ers in Miami and had Belichick and Riley who had more Super, I mean, Super Bowl NBA rings. And by the way, the greatest hedge fund guy of all time, Paul Teter Jones. Yeah, well, of course. I mean, that was the reason we were all there. It was like the Mount Rushmore of people. And Mount Rushmore of people. But the Mount Rushmore of experiences. Every single down.

Belichick was calling the play. Literally whispering over to Riley and I saying, they're going to do a pass. I'm like, damn, we're going to do a pass. And it's second and long, he goes, running. I'm like, it ain't going to be a running play, coach. He goes, running. Like predicted every single day. Well, Gavin, that was probably one of the most unique shares ever. I mean, you're sitting between

combine what, 13, 14 rings or maybe more between Belichick and Riley. And Riley, you know the funniest part about that too, Riley gets up and there's someone next to us. And the guy, as Riley leaves, he comes over to me, he says, "Hey man, just wanted to introduce myself. My name's Sam." I said, "Hey Sam, my name's Gavin." He goes, "Man, it must be so cool to have Pat Riley as your dad." I said, "What? He's not my father." I guess it was the hair, man. It was the hair.

but that was a hell of an experience and uh and that's when we got that's what i really got to know belichick at a different level and uh just mad respect and and what's interesting where sean lately in the nfl you've been seeing an nba too like all these robberies of these guys you saw joe burrow got robbed gavin if you saw that yep mahomes kelsey there's this ring across the country's robbing these athletes which is bizarre so these guys are going to play and it's a if you're if you're a robber it's a brilliant move it's almost like ocean's 11 movie

These guys are playing a game Monday night and they're going to go rob Joe Burrow or whatever it may be. Yeah, Marshawn, watch your Instagram, brother. Watch your Instagram, what you put up there, man. I don't play Instagram. Watch your TikTok. Watch your Twitter. None of that. I don't play none of them shits. But yeah, I think I've just seen Tua said somebody had, I think, ran up in his car or something. But yeah, they bowled. And I mean, you know, I think...

you know, rest in peace to one of the greats. Like, you know, that happened with Sean Taylor. Yeah, you're right. And I think the concept was, you know, they tried to hit his house considering, thinking that he, you know, he wouldn't be home. And, you know, just how tragic that is. But Tua was saying that he went in a...

He got some armed guards, you know what I mean, to be at his house when he's gone. When he's gone. To leave out of town and shit. Yeah, man, it's getting, I don't want to say it's getting, but, you know, now everything gets, you know, broadcasted through social media. Well, speaking of armed guards more, Sean, the insurance guy needed some armed guards is the problem. And this guy's now, people are looking at this. By the way, that's another thing, Gavin, that people are looking at this guy, Luigi,

who by the way the the guy who killed the insurance guy more sean

you know to me i thought initially he was in san francisco but california but initially i thought maybe okay you know maybe his his mom had cancer the refused payments and she died within 30 days instead of 10 whatever it may be none of that was actually there people are a lot in the sky like he's a hero which is really crazy well they hate the insurance companies and they hate the fact the insurance companies deny so much coverage and people are dying on their watch and there's a lot there but then an excuse someone from being assassinated someone being killed

from behind, it absolutely doesn't excuse a horrific act. But yeah, no, everything about that disturbed me on every damn level.

I mean, there's plenty of time and plenty of ways to focus on insurance abuse. And I take it back and say to no one, I happen to be governor of a state that's the only state in America that's provided universal health care, regardless of pre-existing condition, ability to pay, or your immigration status. It's controversial. But the fact is, we're doing it at a whole different level than any state in America. So I have a lot of opinions about

about big insurance companies. - So the healthcare stuff is that screwed up? - Yeah, it is completely screwed up and in every way, shape or form, but that's not the way you highlight an issue by assassinating a guy who's got two young kids.

in the middle of the street. - So now you got a 26 year old kid who's gonna be in jail the rest of his life. - Yeah, and then he's got a, and his life's completely destroyed. So nothing about this, there was some weird punditry around this and people sort of romanticizing this. They didn't have nothing right about it. Everything was wrong about it. By the way, speaking- - Marshawn, by the way, they say, Marshawn, this guy's gotten over 20,000 letters from women that wanna marry this guy already in jail, which is bizarre.

He's been there three days. Well, he's going to be there 30 damn years. Well, 30 years. Well, we'll see. Maybe more. You said he was the insurance guy. What was his... This guy just went right out there and assassinated a 50-year-old young executive.

- He was the executive of which insurance? - Was it United Healthcare? - United Healthcare. - Yeah. - United Healthcare? Oh shit. - But then all of a sudden he's some hero to some folks, I guess on the Uber left. I don't even understand. And on the Uber right.

our pop man didn't again our pot the world we're living in right now goes to the point of people going on your instagram you can say this better you can say i'm gonna go i want i want roger goodell taken out because people get ct from football you can say that people own coal mines and they they have trust bad lungs i mean everybody in this whole industry someone's i don't think this i can i can personally vouch for a half dozen people that i know have now security that never had in their life really because they think they're on some

buddies list and they're not but they just think because of the nature of the classes and everything it's not just classes I mean just there's something else going on underneath by the way speaking of that did you guys watch that Brett Favre thing I did do you watch that Marshawn you miss that Marshawn well is Brett Favre and Mark Gassineau and Gassineau um

uh approached farve at like an autograph show you know about the sack about strahan and he was he was emotionally in pests yeah and it got so bad farve had to actually leave yeah and not talk to gaston anymore because gas they'd say to get ruined gas in his life because it would have been the sack record it would have been yeah you know it stood for what 20 years and you know poor strahan's getting put in the saying and far did take a time let's be honest he didn't want to take stray hands hit which was right i

arguably understandable, but that's just me. Brett Favre was a tough motherfucker. So when you say you know he didn't want to take a straight-hand hit, Brett Favre was a tough motherfucker, man. I mean, I don't know if it was that. No, I think it was a sort of an ode. That was some brother-in-law type shit going on? Yeah, it was a wick nod. Like, hey, I'm going to roll right, I'm going to go down, you got the rest. So you think the whole thing was choreographed?

I mean, shit, from the sounds of it, you know what? I don't actually remember the play, but I had a conversation about it with an individual. So he kind of rolled out and, you know, kind of dropped down and gave him that half a sack. I mean, shit. I mean, it wasn't that straight hand, you know, probably needed him to do that. But, I mean, you see where straight hand at now.

Hey, but more Sean, I want to ask you, I want to ask you a serious question. I thought about this last night when I was watching the game, your teammate walks out of the game and refuses to play. What do you do to the guy after the game? You said after the game? Yeah. And the guy, the Niner linebacker left the game, refused to go in the game as, as his teammate. What do you do?

At the end of the game. What was going on? What prompted him to do that? Nobody knows why, but apparently he was upset he wasn't starting and playing. And so instead of going in the game in the third quarter when Greenlaw came out, he actually quit, walked off the field in the locker room and left. He's gone. Well, yeah, but what does Marshawn do? No, I'm saying, well, you know me fresh, especially if that's one of my dudes. And most of the time, guys that I play with, I fuck with tough guys.

And if he is somebody who, well, it didn't matter. A situation like that happen, I'm going in the locker room to go and get him. Right. I mean, come on, bro. At least we don't do it. We don't finish this motherfucker out together. And then, you feel me? You know what I mean? After the game, we can go ahead and figure out, you know what I mean, what type of time we on and what needs to be done. But, you know, a lot of guys, like, you know what I mean, you get –

You get that edge when I'm looking over to the sideline or, you know what I mean, I'm on the sideline and I hear Cam Chancellor talking about, hey, Beast Mode, you up? Yeah, I'm up. Like, that kind of get me going. And to see one of my guys, you know what I mean, just walk off the field. Now, if I'm not aware of the situation of what's going on,

Yeah, for sure. I'm going in the locker room telling brother, hey, let's go finish this shit up. Then we'll figure this out when we get done. That's the beauty of Rashawn. Well, that's an open-ended question that any of his players, any of his colleagues go in and pull him out. The beauty of Rashawn is he's going to reserve judgment until he finds out what's going on, bro. Why did you leave? The Niners didn't reserve any judgment. They're getting rid of this guy.

- Yeah, they can't suspend him. - Yeah, they get suspended and then they're not gonna redeem him. He's gonna be off the team. - Well, if you suspend him, then you don't have to pay him. You can go after signing bonus. If you cut him, then he gets everything. - Yeah, can't put up with that, man.

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are you an actual star wars fan how can you not be i've seen it probably 47 times okay only 47 and not only that you know we have out of oakland i can name the athletes but we have you know tom hanks and we got obviously more sean lynch and we have all these people but we also oakland california oakland california i mean this guy is the most one of the most iconic people in the world today and we're blessed to have him

Gavin. The one, the only, Mark Hamill. What's up, Mark? Hi, guys. I'm a proud product of Oakland, California.

Who else was from Oakland? Well, I'm getting a fist pump from Marshawn, so maybe he's from Oakland too. Yes, sir! He may be the next, Mark, he may be the next mayor of Oakland. Really? The way things are going. Yeah, man. Mark, I do remember when Marshawn did not stand for the anthem. I think you liked that back in the day. Am I right?

Probably. I mean, I'm always for resisting authority and standing up for what you believe in regardless. I mean, it was shocking to me that Colin Kaepernick suffered such consequences for...

express, you know, it's his right to say what he wants. Now, I'm wondering about how Marshawn got the nickname Beast Mode. Oh, man, if you're from Oakland, you know a little bit about how that started. You know what I mean? It wasn't easy. It was not easy, but it started off as Man Child, and then it kind of evolved into Beast Mode. That was a little more...

I should be clear now. Yes, I was born in Oakland, but I was like six weeks old when we moved. My father was in the Navy. I was the middle of seven kids, and I went to nine different schools in 12 years. God damn. Yeah, from kindergarten to 12th grade, and I graduated Yokohama High School in Japan. Wow.

And it was always coast to coast because it was Navy. So it would be like Oakland, Annandale, Virginia, San Diego, Pennsylvania, San Jose, Williamsburg. Never the Midwest, always coast to coast to coast. Did you pick up Japanese when you were out in Japan?

Well, when you're there, especially when we lived off base, the first summer we lived off base, when they move you on base, everybody speaks English, including the Japanese. So I learned more in that first three months off base. And if you don't keep it up, you know, I'll turn on a Japanese television station and I'll start remembering phrases. But if you don't keep it up, you know, you can't...

I was never conversant. I couldn't discuss politics in Japanese. I could tell the taxi driver, wait here, turn right, you know, that kind of stuff. And Mark, what age did Luke Skywalker come to be? What age when that started? How old were you? I was 24. So 24 years old, here you are, the most iconic, one of the most iconic characters of all time. I mean, how was that? That had to be insane.

Well, you try and ground yourself, you know, because you haven't changed. Everybody around you is going nuts. Yeah. You know, you're sort of at the center of the hurricane. But it was crazy. I mean, I eventually...

Snuck into the back to the theater see it with an audience. I couldn't believe it I mean it was like a party there. They were bouncing beach balls around and I mean Who knows it by the way where which where were you what city what theater do you remember where you were? Yeah, I was here in Southern California And I think I snuck into the back of wherever was like if the Egyptians somewhere on Hollywood Boulevard Maybe it knows of the Gromit's it was Gromit's Chinese. I

In fact, the day it opened, May 25th, 77, they picked me up to go dub the 35 millimeter prints because only the seven millimeter prints were in, I think, 16 theaters when it opened. Can you imagine? Nowadays, they open up in, you know, a thousand theaters. So they're driving me in. I was in Malibu and I said to the driver, can you drive past Grauman's Chinese? Because

There was a huge argument at Fox on how to promote it. And because of that, it opened with no poster. There was no poster. They put photographs from the movie outside, but it took a while to get a poster. What shocked me was when we drove past the theater, there were lines around the block. Now, I hadn't seen any ads on television, usually on Saturday Night Live or, you know, those kind of programs they...

they want to get the young audience. There were, I didn't see any ads. I can't say for sure there were none, but I didn't see any. And I thought to myself, well, this is going to take a couple of weeks for word of mouth to get around because science fiction is usually very dry and serious, you know, 2001 and so forth. And this thing was, you know,

It was, you know, like a fairy tale. Remember, those are the days of Rocky in 76 and Star Wars. I mean, these were like massive movies back in those days. I was in the front row in Cornavidera, California. I'll never forget. I was 10 years, I mean, literally 10 years old. Cornavidera, like I felt, but we were in the center of the universe because we're kind of felt the Marin vibe because Lucas being out in Marin, you know, sort of felt the Bay Area thing. So you kind of felt it was like your own personal, like discovery. Totally, yeah.

which you'll never forget, but the lines were the thing I remember the most. It's no surprise George stayed in Marin County. He's not comfortable in Los Angeles or Southern California. And, uh,

It's a wonderful place to work. I mean, when I go up there, it's because everybody's so happy to be there, you know, at Skywalker Ranch. By the way, Mark, speaking of where, you know, because place matters right now, Malibu, Franklin Fire.

We share this in common. I'm from afar, you from a lived experience. How's this been going for you? The major four plus thousand acre fire down in Malibu just this week. How are you doing? Well, we're monitoring it very closely. And as you

as of now, it's not coming towards us because we're right near Topanga Canyon. So it's up by Pepperdine. But I mean, that's just one of the things that you have to deal with living in a place like this. It's mudslides and fires. And the reason we love it so much is you feel like you're outside Los Angeles. You don't like feel like you're in town, but we're, you know, we're keeping an eye on it. It's,

It's shocking how fast it grew because I was watching Jimmy Kimmel play

and they interrupted to show that I think it was at that time, 10 acres were on fire. So I stayed there an hour later was a hundred. Yeah. And my wife had gone to bed and I thought, should I wake her? I won't bother. But by 3 AM it was 800 acres. So I went up and just let her know. And she turned on the TV in our bedroom, but, uh,

You had to shelter in place, right? You were sort of asked to stay in the home. We couldn't leave, which, as I said, fits in with my elderly recluse lifestyle. But now it's open. Yeah, it's open. So, you know, and again, I mean, you never get used to it, but it's not like it's never happened before. And by the way, now that you're mentioning Malibu, I want to thank you. Signing the bill that allowed cameras to come on PC. Oh, yeah.

Because it's tragic, you know, these four teenage girls walking along and it's so narrow, especially with the added bike paths.

that, you know, somebody gets distracted and swerves even a foot. It's really critical that, and I want to thank you for that. Wait, where are the cameras, Gavin? No, just on PCH. We've had so many, we've had so many pedestrian fatalities and, and it's, I mean, such an iconic freeway and a lot of tourists, but not even just tourists, people get easily distracted, understandably. And, and in Caltrans state, man,

manages and operates it, but we haven't been doing, we haven't been investing in pedestrian safety as much as we should. So we're going to finally get some cameras out there. We've got some other strategies to address just slowing folks down.

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Hey, Mark, I appreciate you asking about the beast mode. I always love the story, too, of how someone got there. Like, you know, I've known Gavin for 30 years. He's my family. Like, I know he got here and Marshawn's been my client. I know he got there. So as a Navy brat like you were, take me through really how you got from that traveling around 12 cities and nine schools, wherever it may be, to become Luke Skywalker. Take me through how you got there.

Well, I came to Los Angeles. You know, my parents thought I was crazy. They said, we don't know anybody in show business. And we don't know anybody who knows someone in show business. There's no connections. There's no way that we can see this happening. Because my game plan was, well, I'll go to New York. I'll get a job as a waiter or a taxi driver and start auditioning. That's the only way I knew because I read a lot of books.

people and how they got started. And that was my game plan. But my brother, my older brother, Bill was getting married in Los Angeles and I came to be the best man. And at that, you talk about luck. I mean, his best friend was a, an artist named Michael Franks who had written a musical that he had hoped to bring to Broadway. And it was the summer of 69. And, uh,

He had known me growing up because they'd been friends for years and years and years. So he said, you can be in it. You don't even have to audition. I have a part for you. So I did that. And one of the girls in the cast had a father who was in the music business. He worked for Neil Diamond. And he, after a performance, said, if you're serious about this, I could probably introduce you to some people who are

So you could get an agent. So I went around to all the offices and I did two scenes. I did a monologue as Snoopy from your good man, Charlie Brown to show comedy. And I brought his daughter, the castmate, Lauren in to read with me for the subject was roses. I played the Martin Sheen part to show drama. So after about six of those, an agent took me on.

That was the summer of 69. He wanted to start sending me out. I said, but no, if I don't go to college, I'll get drafted. And I didn't have any money. But luckily, as a California resident, I could get into LACC.

$8 in the pen and you were in. It's probably more now. I had zero tuition, just for the record. Not the full cost of attendance, but tuition's free for two years. Thank you to the... I'm just saying, just for the record. Which is why I'm so pro free education for all, regardless. By the way, I sent my daughter to...

USC and boy, is it pricey. Yeah, that's another, that's ridiculous, right? At least literally it's one or two of the most, it's one or the second most expensive school in the United States now. Exactly. And, but she did really well. And what did she get, Mary Lou? What were her degrees? Anyway, she did fantastic.

What I'm saying is, you know, when I talk to young students and so forth, I say that you have to be ready to not only seize an opportunity, but recognize an opportunity. I said, go do dinner theater. It doesn't matter what the status of the production is. You just got to get on stage. You have to get out there. So I majored in theater arts there.

And he would send me out. One time I got a part where it was going to take five days. And I said, and he said, you've got to do this. So, you know, to get your SAG card and all that.

I had to lie. I said to, I went to the head of the department, Jerry Blunt and said, my mom has diabetes, which is true. But I said, she's going into the hospital. I have to go visit her in San Diego. So I went and I hid out. I got, it's crazy. But what I'm saying is by the second summer I was there, I got my union card. I had four credits and,

I look back and I say, it's just astonishing because a lot of these actors struggle for decades. Even some of these character actors have to grow into the way they look because they're not right at 24. But by the time they're 45, they become really successful character actors, but, uh, it's, it's the perseverance. So, um, you know, that's, that's what happened. And, and, uh, you know, I did, I don't know, maybe, uh,

I don't know, 30 or 40 guest appearances and 12 TV movies. And then some, a friend of mine said, did you hear about this movie that George Lucas is doing? Star Wars. And, and,

In fact, it's Robert Englund who plays Freddy Krueger. And to this day, even his book, he said, if it weren't for me, Mark would have never been. I don't want to burst his bubble. But when I called my agent, she said, oh, yeah, you have an appointment, you know, 10 days from now. I know it was already set up. But the weird thing was when we went in, it was a meet and greet with Brian De Palma, who was casting Carrie, the King horror film and George. Great movie, by the way.

And, you know, it's just like, "Tell us a little about yourself," and blah, blah, blah. And so five minutes over, I went out to-- it was a cattle call. You know, there's 50 guys there, you know, Han Solo types and Luke types. And I said to one of the actors, "Who was Brian De Palma's assistant in there, the guy with the beard that didn't say a word?" They said, "You idiot, that was George Lucas." I said, "Oh, he didn't say anything." Brian talked. And the next step was getting a screen test about 10 pages long.

And what I'm getting to, when I got the part, you see, I hadn't read the script. I read the one scene. And you couldn't make heads or tails out of it. I said to Harrison, who I tested with, I said, you were in American Graffiti. You know, George, is this like a comedy or a send up, like a spoof? Or it just can't be serious, right? Yeah.

He said, hey, you know, whatever. Let's just get it done. It's a good Harrison Ford. He was no help, no help at all. I said to George, is this sort of like a parody? Is it like a send up? Well, let's just do it and we'll talk about it later.

Which translates to let's just do it and we'll never talk about it. Because George isn't an actor type of director. He comes alive in the editing room. He doesn't want to hear about backstory or motivation or any of that stuff. Just say your lines and do your best. But what was astonishing is when I finally, because there's a line that

in the screen test, thank God it's not in the movie, to show you how difficult it was to make it sound like it was natural dialogue spontaneously coming out of your head. Because at one point Harrison said, hey kid, I've held up my part of the bargain. The minute I get the chance, you and the droids, I'm dumping you and moving on. And my line in the screenplay was,

But we can't turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Akraai or Sullust. And what there is, is most likely directed towards a large scale assault.

Huh? I mean, you could make sense of it. Fear is their greatest defense. Yeah, the Death Star is intimidating. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on two made-up planets, acquired souls. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault. Yeah, like an armada, but we could slip through because you're like the size of a penny. But again...

How does any of that make sense? Hold on, you wasn't just reading something right now? No, I remembered that line for nearly 50 years because I couldn't get it out of my head. And when I read the screenplay, which by the way was called The Adventures of Luke Starkiller,

As taken from the Journal of the Wills, saga number one, The Star Wars. And my name was Luke Starkiller. Well, in fact, I read on the call sheet when I rescued the princess, I had filmed it. She said, aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper? I go, what? Oh, the helmet. I take the helmet off. I'm Luke Starkiller. I'm here to rescue you.

So we had filmed that and I got the call sheet and I saw that scene was on there again. I said, what's up with that? They said, oh, well, they've changed your name. I said, to what? And they said to Skywalker.

I said Skywalker. Oh, my God. I mean, because we have just gotten used to that name. And I thought I could use a little macho in my name, given my character. He's such a wimpy little farm boy. Dark, yeah.

I had just gotten used to Starkiller, but they said they pulled all the... Women ages 18 to 35 don't like characters with kill in their name. With kill in their name. They had a little contest on set because at one point George was told that focus groups don't like the word wars. So...

so mark here you are you're doing this movie you probably have no idea where this thing's going no but actually tell me no no bs deep down you're like this thing's going to be a flop i mean did you feel that way or just it's a paycheck or what do you feel no i asked carrie and harrison what they thought they were sort of non-committal and i and i remember telling robert watts the production manager the first person i met when i went to england and went to the studio

He says, what do you think of this little endeavor we're about to embark upon? And I said, I think we're on a winner because here's why. At that point, it was only seven and a half million. It later went up to just under nine. But so I did the math and I said, we only have to make 25 to get in, you know, get our money back.

And I thought, this thing is so funny and whimsical. I said, it's not science fiction. It's like a fairy tale. You've got a farm boy, you've got a pirate, you got a princess, you got a wizard. It's a fairy tale dressed up as science fiction. And I said, and it's effortlessly feminist. I said, how about the princess? You know, she doesn't, she's not a damsel in distress. And

And as she takes over her own rescue, grabs the gun from Luke and Han, and says, you call this a rescue? Give me that gun. I said, that kind of thing. Because women overall are not the biggest audience for science fiction. But I said, I just think it's so different now.

I said, and I was a kid. I was a famous Monsters of Filmland kid. I loved all the black and white universal horror films. And so this was right up my alley. I loved science fiction and fantasy. So I was predisposed to like it. And I know, I said, even if I wasn't cast in the movie, I'd still love this movie no matter who played Luke.

but not everybody felt that way. Like I say, even to the point where they were about to release it, Fox didn't really believe in it. And we had no poster because one segment wanted an entertainment voyage beyond your imagination, far beyond. And the other campaign was sort of like Little Rascals in Outer Space, but they couldn't merge them.

So $9 million to make. What's that gross now after all these years? I'm curious. I don't know. $11 billion? I don't know. $11 billion. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You're definitely from Oakland. Yeah. I don't really know. I mean, it's a lot of money. But, you know, for a while, I think, yeah, I remember an ad where they had R2-D2 with a fishing rod attached.

pulling Jaws out of the water. Spielberg said, congratulations, George, who has replaced Jaws as number one film of all time. But it's been surpassed many, many times since. I don't know how many, but, you know. Mark, did you know how many there would be? I mean, was there a contract option when you did the first one for the subsequent ones? Exactly. So when we signed, if it were successful, we were...

required to do a second and a third. And that was one of the reasons I wanted it to be successful because, you know, it was so much fun. I have to tell you,

We just laughed all day long. I mean, it was especially my fondest memories are on the Death Star with Harrison and Carrie, because by the time of the second one, we all separated. I went off to a swamp planet with Yoda and I loved working with Frank Oz. He's still one of my closest friends.

But I'd see, you know, all the other actors walking in the other direction. Hi, guys. I mean, but it was very isolated on the second one. It was the call sheet. I'd be the only human being on the planet on the call sheet. Me, robots, a puppet.

Various snakes and lizards. So, Mark, you're now the heyday. You're in the 70s. You're in your mid-20s. You got the biggest hit in the planet. And you're single, L.A. I mean, how was that life back then? I mean, that had to be pretty – I mean, I know your wife's in the other room. You want to give her all – I mean, that had to be a fun time, right? Well, it was a different time. You know, I was – I did fine before –

that happened. I mean, you know, go to when I was doing the Texas wheelers, a TV series for Mary Tyler Moore. I mean, there'd be all these beautiful actresses that were extras. And I mean, you know, and it was like 74. So when that happened, yeah, I was crazy. It was sort of like, Oh, this is what it must be like for Mick Jagger. But I met my wife. She was my dental hygienist.

And I cleaned her, she cleaned my teeth and, you know, we're still married. What is it now? 45 years, honey? Yeah. Congratulations, boss man. Yeah. Fingers crossed. It's going to work. When you start, did you, did you know that it will be as successful as it is now? Like,

Of course not. I mean, I thought, like I said, I remember specifically saying, and I was talking about the original, not the remake. I said, this thing's going to outgross Planet of the Apes, which at that time had made like $40 million. And I believe that. I said, not only will it...

One of the reasons I thought it would be successful, even without a poster and no commercials, I said, people like me, there are so many people like me that will go see this just because of the genre. And then word of mouth will kick in. Oh, but it's funny and it's this and that and it's scary. It's all these things. So I was fairly confident that it would be successful enough at least to make the second one. Did I think it would go supernova? Of course not.

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You know, going back just to sort of the origin story, because I'm curious, you talked, I mean, it sounds like you had the acting bug very early on. I mean, you knew what you wanted to do and, you know, you're a pretty young man. But was it, did you, was it, you were inspired to get into acting as you're traveling around the globe? Is your, you know, you're there at different naval bases? Was there someone you admired, someone you looked up to and you said, I want to be that when I grow up? But what age did you really say, this is my career path?

I hosted a variety show with my Jerry Mahoney dummy in sixth grade. And I realized what all ventriloquists must realize is that you can say really obnoxious things

and blame it on the dummy. So I was able to insult the cafeteria food. And I, oh, don't say that about Mr. Gagnon. He's a nice man. Yeah, he makes me gag. Oh, don't be so terrible. And when the wave of laughter, I was just... You cracked a code. Gosh, I thought this is what I want to do. And I didn't think, well, I'm going to be an actor. Because all the time, I mean, I loved...

I learned to read by getting the paper off the doorstep and reading the comic strips, you know, simple comic strips like Nancy and Sluggo. Hey, you stop. So I loved cartoons and comic strips and stop frame animation. I mean, I saw King Kong on TV when I was, I don't know, five or six and I

It was the first movie that made me cry. And I didn't know how they did the dinosaurs. I mean, until Famous Monsters came along and explained Willis O'Brien's stop frame animation and Marcel Delgado and the model makers and all that. And they showed illustrations of the tabletops with the miniatures. I mean, it just blew my mind. And I thought that I wanted to somebody goes to work every day and makes dinosaurs come to life.

I want that job. I mean, I didn't really think of much as, and I remember seeing Clarence Nash, this distinguished man in a suit and tie on the Walt Disney Sunday night show. And he steps up to the microphone and does Donald Duck again. I don't even know if I'd start at school then. It just blew my mind because in those days, you just think of cartoons as, you know, they just arrive full blown.

that I thought somebody goes to work every day, kisses the wife goodbye and pats the kids on the head and goes and he does Donald Duck and they pay him for that. And I did a terrible Donald Duck, but I was always putting on shows, puppet shows and imitating people. I could make my brothers and sisters laugh by imitating relatives and so forth. So I always had that performance gene in me, but I...

I also was pragmatic. I thought, well, I don't know how to go about doing it, but I don't have to be in the show. I just want to be near the show. Because again, Disney would put on these shows where they'd say, it's the making of Darby O'Gill and the Little People. And he would show the camera crew and wardrobe and the carpenters and all these things. And I would think in my mind, I said,

Well, I'm not a bad cook. If I can't be in, I could be a caterer for sure. So I just knew that I'd want to be, you know, in a business that, you know, the escapism business. And Mark, take me through. So you're doing these movies. And again, I mean, you're the biggest star on the planet, Luke Skywalker, etc.,

Take me through after that. Was there some years where it's like you were pigeonholed as this guy? Oh, yeah. Did the call stop coming at times? Immediately. I mean, take me through some of the rejection part of it and the struggles you faced there. The business I'm in, when you do something well, they want you to do the same thing over and over again because it's been proven to be profitable. And Mary Lou just said, Amadeus,

When I couldn't get character parts, I went to New York where they will have open auditions. You can just audition for things. So I auditioned for Amadeus and Sir Peter Hall said, we actually, we've offered it. Who was it? Colin Firth? Whoever. He was a British actor that they wanted, but they couldn't be sure that he could get his green card. So they put me up in a hotel. This is why I know they were serious. And

If he couldn't get his green card, then I would replace Tim Curry. So on my fingers crossed, I felt like, you know, John Cassavetes and Rosemary's baby rooting for ill will to befall some actor. So that didn't feel good, but what turned out, I didn't get that. But Peter said, well, I want you to do the first national tour. So I did that. I did Los Angeles, San Francisco, uh, uh,

Baltimore, Chicago. I was scheduled to go to Boston and they pulled me out of the company and put me in the Broadway production. Anyway, so I got some of the best reviews of my career. But when I... Milos Forman said, will you come in? Because I'm doing the movie of Amadeus. And I want you to read off camera for Costanza, the actresses that were up to play Costanza. Of course. So I get in and I'm doing that. And between...

auditions for these, all these young actresses. I said to him, I said, you know, I, I played Mozart and I wonder if you'd be willing to consider me. He laughed and he said, Oh, no, no, no one is to be believing that the Luke Skywalker is the most. There you go. And I thought, well, I get that. And at least he was honest with me. So it removed any sort. And I thought Tom Hulse did a great job in the movie and,

But that's just what this business is. It's, you know, and I tell young actors, you have to have, I don't know, just nerves of steel because you're going to face constant rejection. And it's not because you're not talented. You might be too tall, too short, too fat, the wrong color eyes, whatever it is. There's thousands of people that you're going to be competing with. And the odds are,

it's like playing roulette. You have to spin the wheel 5,000 times. Well, by the way, it's funny, Mark, because, you know, Marshawn obviously has transitioned and doing acting now. Are you getting that, Marshawn, from... Do they look at you and say, well, dude, you're beast mode. You're the running back, and you can't do this. Or do you get a lot of that on some of these directors, Marshawn? No, not so much, but it's just more so, like, because they're not familiar with me, so...

Like the movie that I just did, Love Hurts, they like a lot of them knew me from football, but a lot of the guys was like from Germany. So they didn't really understand, you know, the football aspect. But I'm like, you know, like I'm really athletic. I can do a lot of the stunts that I'm

you know, they got going on, but they like, ah, well, you just don't know. And then I, you know, I have to prove to them to show them like, no, I can actually really move. Like I can move, move, like really moving. You know what I mean? They'll give me an opportunity to like, oh shit, I had no idea. And then they would go and actually watch me, uh, uh, you know, play like, oh, I had no idea type shit. But when you, when you, when you say that, um,

I got to work with with with McLovin, Chris, and he did he played McLovin in Superbad and we were doing a show, Stars on Mars, and everybody, you know, we would see him and be like, oh, shit, it's McLovin. And he's like, no, don't call me McLovin. My name is Chris. Like, call me Chris.

And it got to a point where, you know, some of the producers had did some shit and they had called him like McLovin and he lost his shit. Like I told you, my fucking name is Chris. Call me fucking Chris.

So when you were speaking on that, I'm like, that was the first thing that went to my mind, like, you know, getting pigeonholed in a row. Yeah, Mark, you ever break down like that? You said, fucking talk to, you know, my name's not Luke, you asshole. So while I'm listening to him talk, I'm thinking, you know, a lot of times they won't let you do stunts because it's an insurance risk.

Because in my career, I said, I want to do all my own stunts. The only one I wasn't allowed to do was when he gets blown out the portal in, I think, the second one. And the stunt guy said, can you do a flip off a diving board? I said, oh, yeah, I've been doing that all my life. Well, then you can do this. So I was really thrilled because they had a springboard. Collins Skeeping was my stunt double.

He never he wasn't even on the first one. I didn't have a stunt double on the first one, but I did on Empire. But then insurance stepped in and says, no way you're doing that. Do a flip out candy glass, which can't damage you to all these mattresses that are on those big, you know, packing boxes like beacons. What's out with stunt guys all around to make sure you don't.

bounce off or whatever. So I wasn't worried about it, but they said, you can't do it. Now, flash forward to,

my elderly years, I look at a script and I said, anything you can get away with with a stunt double, I'm down with that. Yeah. So there was a fight scene and there's a lot of fight scenes, but one in particular, it was actually like, you know, what's some moves that you can do that we can incorporate in the fight scene that, you know, would show a nod to, you know, you actually, you know, being an athlete.

And I was like, well, I mean, you know, there's a few things like I play running back. So, you know, I can move lateral, you know, pretty quick.

So I showed him a couple moves. Like, I actually just, you know, ran a, you know, like a simple drill. And the guys, they, like, blew their shit. Like, oh, my God. Like, that shit is amazing. And I was like, well, you know, if I could hit somebody. And they're like, well, show us what you mean. So they got a guy, and I tackled him. And they're like, oh, my fucking God, that's gold. How would you feel if...

We actually had you tackle this guy through a wall. And I'm like, hell fucking yeah. Like, yeah. So they put up this whole fucking wall and was like, okay. The stunt coordinator, the second director was like, hey, man, you know, if you're not up to it, you know, your stunt guy, Marcus, who was really good. And I'm like, no, you know, I'm good. I'm ready for it.

He's like, "Because I don't know, man. We got one wall." I'm like, "All right, don't worry about it." He's like, "But you got to land here, and where it's at is probably like five feet from the wall." And I'm like, "You know what? I'll be able to get it done." So when we do it, and I mean, I fucked that wall up. I tried to tear the whole fucking house down, to be honest with you. And all I remember was running through that fucking wall,

And I hit the dude so fucking hard. And when I landed on him, I just heard all the air going, whoa. And for a second, I fucking forgot we was even filming. Hey, you all right? We're shooting. Stay in it. Stay in it. Oh, shit. Yeah. And like, it was probably some of the most fun and shit I ever did. Period. But when I fucking smashed that dude through that wall, like,

The insurance that you was just talking about. Now, everybody coming in, all the doctors on set, the prop, everybody. Hey, you all right? You all right? Making sure everything's all right. And you go back and you look at that wall like, what the fuck just happened? Now, I'm not being on playback or watching playback. So I just kind of was I was in a zone.

Pick up the phone. I'll call Doug. Like, Doug, I just ran somebody through a fucking wall, bro. See if anybody want to see if anybody want a 38 year old running back. I think I got some more left in the tank. So I hear the people watching it. And all you hear is the motherfuckers just laughing, laughing like, oh, my God, that shit was great. But that was a big moment. But now you talk about the insurance. Had I done anything wrong or fuck some shit up, then I'm probably out.

For a while. And by the way, Mark, as an agent, as I am, I did make a few calls to teams. I said, Marshawn, send me that footage. And I called a couple teams. I said, you need a guy for a few games? Doug, you're his agent? Yes. I was his football agent, correct. Not his entertainment agent, but football agent. But he has a theatrical agent now. Correct.

Because remember, Marshawn, you're not just an actor, you're an investment. Yeah. They have to protect their investment. Yeah. So I got that understanding after I ran through that wall.

Yeah, man, that shit was great. And what's crazy is a lot of the guys that I worked with, they actually did stunts for some Star Wars movies. They actually were showing me some of the, what do they call them? Some of the gags where they put the harnesses on everybody and people pulling and swinging and all that shit. And they showed me this...

This clip where it was on set for Star Wars and the guys, they like threw some kind of bomb or something and everybody was exploding and flying every which way and shit. And I'm like, God, that's like, I want to try some of that shit. I was like, nah, you probably would never be able to do no shit like that. One, because you big than a motherfucker. Like, I don't know how many people we would have to pull you, but

When you start talking about the insurance and then being a liability, uh, it kind of made sense. But in my mind, I'm like, Oh, I run through people and run into people. Like that's how I made a living. Hey Mark, let me ask you a question. Um,

I see the brotherhood and athletics and sports, and I'll go back and use Marshawn's example. You know, when they won the Super Bowl and he sees the players he played with and the love they have for each other and kind of the respect and when they see each other after years, and whether it be a social setting or a reunion or whatever. So when you go back and see Harrison Ford now or George Lucas, do you guys have that special bond? Like, dude, we did something crazy together.

out of this world good, you know, 40 years ago, 50 years ago, do you kind of have that bond where you see each other? It's kind of like that love as an athlete might have with a teammate. Absolutely. And not just with those movies. I mean, you know, it's a community and, and we all support each other. I mean, whether it's television movies, I remember I was telling you, I went to New York to try and get character parts. And one thing that,

really changed my career is I read in

i don't know the comic buyers guide that they were going to do an animated batman and i saw the writers and producers they were putting forward i said oh my gosh this is clearly going to be a step above the saturday morning you know super friends version this looks like it's going to be intelligently written for once they were getting people instead of you know hiring people that never done the character and they read the best of batman over the weekend and start writing a script on monday

They were getting people that had long decades long experience with not just that character, but all the comic book characters. So I said, I'd love to audition for the Joker. And no, I said, I'd love to audition. I wanted to play a villain that had never been done before.

Clayface, Two-Face, whatever. But they said, you have an audition for the Joker. I said, oh, it's a little too high profile. Jack Nicholson was so great. Cesar Romero. Anyway, the only reason I think I had confidence was about two months earlier, they cast Michael Keaton as Batman and all the fanboys lost their minds. Oh my God, he's Mr. Mom. He can't be Batman, blah, blah, blah, without seeing him play the part ever.

So what I'm saying in that atmosphere, I said, if you think they lost their minds over,

Mr. Mom playing Batman. How are they going to feel about Luke Skywalker playing the Joker? There's no way they can cast me. So normally you go in and if you want the part a lot, sometimes your anxiety can get the better of you. They can sense a neediness that makes them uncomfortable. You're off your game because you're nervous or whatever. Here, I thought, well, since there's no way I can get it, I'm going to make them lose. I'm going to lose.

I'm going to make them sorry they can't hire me. And I just let it rip and had the greatest time of my life. And what happened was it really turned my career around in the sense that it opened up doors in the voiceover world.

And the voiceover world is one of the most talented subsets of show business. And everywhere you go, if you do your job and you're on time, you're not a prima donna, you get accepted by the Broadway community, the off-Broadway community, and so forth. So, you know, once I started doing various parts other than the Joker, I was very quickly accepted by people that I admire so much that

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So, Mark, how does that work? Then a voiceover, they give you the script and then it's and then they give you like, hey, you have a month to do this and you do it every day. I mean, how do you how does that go about with the voiceover stuff? Well, usually you get the script the night before or two days before you go in and they record the voice first, then send it overseas. Unfortunately, I wish they wouldn't outsource it.

but it's animated somewhere else. And so the finished product doesn't show up till at least nine months to maybe 18 months later, which is why I've missed so many of the things I've done because they don't send you an email, say, hey, your episode of Powerpuff Girls is on this Tuesday. And if you don't really keep it, when the kids were small, I'd see a lot of series. I go, wait a minute, you guys, I think that's me playing the gangster squirrel. Yeah, yeah, that's me. That's me.

But I catch it by accident. By the way, Mark, it's interesting. You talked about being typecast. You talked about how you can lose yourself in an animation frame and become something so much bigger than what you physically...

are perceived as. But were you, by definition, attracted to the villain character, even before Joker, in order to express your desire to be more than what you were typecast for? I mean, was that the impetus for trying to find that contrarian frame? It must have.

It must have been because I'm so pure and one note, but I thought the best part was Darth Vader. Now, he's only in the movie maybe 12 minutes, but in terms of impact and gravitas, you know, that's hard to top. But...

You know, I have to tell you that recently on, it's on Netflix now, Mike Flanagan, who I was a huge fan of from The Haunting of Hill House, The Haunting of Bly Manor, Midnight Mass, and so forth. I was a huge fan. He requested a meeting with me, came over to the house with Trevor Macy, the producer, and pitched me The Fall of the House of Usher. And I was going to, he wanted to hire, it's this,

Criminal family. It's, you know, he puts reality into his fantasy so you can relate to it. The Usher family is making billions of dollars on Ligadone, which is killing hundreds of thousands of people. Oh, it's the Sackler family. I get that.

So he grounds it in a reality you can relate to. And I was asked to play this amoral, soulless, sociopath lawyer who covers up for, he's the lifelong attorney for the Usher family. Just pure evil. And when I read the script, I thought, oh my God, I have no idea how I will approach this.

But if Mike thinks I can do it, I've got to do it. So I agreed. And it was scary because, you know, normally you have some concept of how you should play this character, what the script requires from you to make it all work. And it's a big ensemble cast. I'm a supporting player in like this. And that's typical of Mike's projects. You know, he has all these wonderful actors who I had already admired. I thought...

I just want to meet these people because a lot of them I'd never seen before. Henry Thomas I'd seen, but 12 of them I'd never seen before. Anyway, it came very late in the game. But once I got to pick the wardrobe and figured out, well, this is a guy that gets out of bed in the morning. When he gets out of the shower, he's going to just wipe his head once and not do any product. So I said, cut it short enough so it's not sticking up. Just short enough so it lays down. Then they found –

I found these glasses and I found the hat and I looked in the mirror and it wasn't me anymore. It was Arthur Gordon Pym, who the other characters refer to as the Pym Reaper. So last element that came, we went to do the first scene on my first day of work with Madeline and Roderick, the brother and sister that are the head ushers.

And I didn't plan this, but when I started talking, I started talking like this. Well, we tried to contact him, but he won't return our calls.

Because I wanted to impart this deadness in him. And later in the morning, when Mike walked past, he said, love the voice. And I thought, I'm home. Because you have the blessing of your director. And Mike Fimignari did the other. He did four and Mike did four. But I mean, I just, it was the first time I ever got to do, I did four.

atypical roles all the time in voiceover i mean you play all these different gangsters and well like i said a gangster squirrel but this was the first time i was ever get to do it on camera and i'm really grateful for him we i found formed a real bond with him and uh i've got a movie coming out that he directed based on a stephen king novel called the life of chuck which comes out when in may

And I'm thinking, wait a second, these two titans of horror, Stephen King and Mike Flanagan, I'm expecting the script to be, you know, the horror...

epic of all time. It is the sweetest, most poignant. It is not horror at all. It's the story of a boy named Chuck. You see him at four different stages until he grows up to be Tom Hiddleston. And I'm telling you, they showed it at the Toronto Film Festival. I'd seen a screening at Mike's house, but I saw it with an audience and I

I can't tell you what elation I felt because they loved it. They laughed. They everything. It's it's it's so I said, I don't know how you promote this because it's completely indescribable. You just have to see it to believe it.

But Mark, the greatest thing about you, which I love and I appreciate, is that you're the epitome of you live to work instead of work to live. We just talked about our good friend Bill Belichick, who's coaching again. You don't want to retire to a fishing village in Portugal or go to Anguilla and sit on the beach. You're working more now than, it's insane what you're doing, which is incredible. So you love what you're doing, and this is what you want to continue doing, correct? There's no shutting it down for you.

I mean, I have a movie out now, The Wild Robot. I'm the voice of Thorne the bear. Which has gotten all kinds of awards. Congratulations, Mark. Next level. Yeah. I mean, last year I was a voice in The Boy and the Heron, which won the Oscar. This time they're talking about an Oscar nomination for Wild Robot. And next year I have three things coming out. The Life of Chuck, which I told you about.

The Long Walk, which is based on a Stephen King novel. This one really is horrific. In fact, when I read it, I was just so turned off. I said, ugh. What we have to do is you have to don't think like Mark. Think like the character. Because villains don't think they are villains. They think they're doing what's right, even though an objective observer would say this guy's horrible.

So once I got into that, and plus it's about all these young men, it's all these 21-year-old guys, and I'm not really the villain, but the state is the villain, and I represent the state. So in that case, I am the villain. And my son read it and said, Dad, you got to do this. So I thought he, because I said, I'll watch this someday. I don't want to be in it. But I'm glad I did. I'm glad I got over myself. And the last one, what's the last one? Oh, I'm in the...

I'm in the new SpongeBob SquarePants movie, which comes out in December. I've been friends with this guy for 30 years, one of the nicest men in show business. And I'm telling you, he is so pure and so genuine. You realize he is SpongeBob.

In real life, because he's relentlessly optimistic. And whenever you are around him or his wife, Jill Talley, they just lift your spirits. Speaking of life, real life, and not necessarily lifting the spirits, it would be remiss.

if I didn't ask you, you know, a big part of your life and all these iterations and just the longevity that Doug talks about and your resilience as an actor and your remarkable career that seems to be gaining steam, not losing steam. But one thing you're known for is your activism and your willingness to assert a point of view in a very public way and accept all the slings and arrows that may come your way, the annihilation and the condemnation.

and I imagine particularly from a political sphere. When did you start to find that voice or when did you start to express that inner voice as someone that wanted to be known for something more than just the work you did on screen? Well, I've always been interested in politics. As far back as when I was, I would have been eight when Nixon and Kennedy ran and I

I said to my mom, you know, because you'd see JFK and he just radiated charm. He was funny. He was inspirational. And, you know, Nixon reminded me of the scary teacher in school that you didn't want to be around. You know, and I said to my mom, why is Dan voting for Nixon? I just don't get it. I had no political background.

Point of view. I didn't know what any issues were. I'm just saying, just from the standpoint of the way a dog will sniff you and either walk away or want cuddles dogs. No. And she said, well, don't tell him.

I'm voting for JFK. Those were the days where the white had to slavishly follow the husband. But no, so I've always been engaged. The first election that I was able to vote was in 1972. I read an interview on Playboy magazine with George McGovern. I said, oh my God, not only do I despise Nixon, but this guy is, I mean, I'm wholeheartedly in love with every position he has. Mm-hmm.

So I went to after school in LACC. I'd go to McGovern headquarters, stuff envelopes, go door to door, make phone calls, all the things that we do. And of course, that's my first election. It was crushed. Yeah, you got crushed. Yes, exactly. And so you could have even given up or said, you know, double down and stick with it. And that's what I did. So I never...

I've never missed an election. I'm even local races, you know, whether it's a mayor or, you know, councilman, whatever. I always vote. But I was never asked to be. So I supported every Democrat, you know, Mondale, you name it, Clinton, Barack Obama, you

But they never asked me to be a part of the campaign. I just talked to my friends and made sure they were all voting. And Governor Dukakis asked me to join the campaign in the last six weeks when things were really dire. And of course, I did that. I went with him and we went all over the Northeast. And I remember you get your assignments. They say, OK, you get on that bus. You get in this car. At one point, they said, you get in the bus.

governor's limousine and I was there with Michael Dukakis and he said so Mark I understand you have a daughter named Chelsea and I said yeah she's my youngest

He said, you know, Bill Clinton has a daughter named Chelsea. I said, oh, are you considering him to be maybe on the ticket with you? Well, he's got a bit of a woman problem. How's that for foreshadowing? I love it, Jesus. And a good Dukakis, by the way, Mark. Well done. I don't want to hear you do me after this. I'm a little worried. Well, listen, the thing is...

I never, like to your question, I never became active until, uh,

wanting to make sure that, first of all, I was devastated. I want to get rid of the electoral college because Hillary beat him by 3 million votes just to shy under 3 million and Gore beat W by half a million. And it's making me crazy because I started reading about the electoral college. Oh my God, this is a remnants of slave days when they were trying to, you know, proportion the amount of votes with, you know, how many slaves you owned and oh, it's awful.

But anyway, so that and Citizens United I'd like to get rid of. But in any case, I started, as you said, you get most scorching hate tweets from the MAGA crowd. And when I was still on Twitter, I had to stop reading hate

The responses, I wouldn't block anyone because then they could display Mark Hamill blocked you as a badge of honor. But I muted like a mofo. I would mute, you know, I looked up one day and I said, oh, my God, I've been muting people for 40 minutes. So once I realized how it was eating into my own time, I said, the only thing to do is don't read the response. You just can't. You can't. And someone said to me, my daughter would say, Daddy, you shouldn't.

tweet politically so much because, you know, people get so angry. And so I wrote a tweet that I said, the people complaining about my Trump tweets have to understand. I love my country and I feel it's my patriotic duty to oppose this sociopathic, I forget the other word, whatever it was, with every fiber of my being.

And that's the way I've been. I thought, I mean, I do feel it's an obligation. And who cares about your career? People say, oh, well, it's hurting your career because you have to appeal to the whole country, not just half the country or 45% or whatever the mega crowd is. But I said, in...

in the grander scheme of things, who cares if I lose a part in a movie because I hate the orange atrocity? I do, and I want people to know that. So that's what I've done.

So here's the deal, Mark. If our guy here runs in four years, we expect you in the Sprinter van with me and more Sean and Gavin. How about that, Mark? No, it's going to be Corvette because my favorite movie is Corvette Summer. You guys forgot about Corvette Summer. Everyone forgot about it. Damn.

Corvette Summer. Hey, Marshawn, you got to check out Corvette Summer. When Annie and I filmed the movie, it wasn't called Corvette Summer. It was called Dantley and Vanessa, A Fiberglass Romance. And then MGM changed the title to Corvette Summer. We all went, oh, no, it sounds like, you know, drive-in garbage. And it's a really sweet little movie where a kid in love with a car goes,

over the course of the movie winds up falling in love with this girl and he doesn't care about the car anymore. So I thought it had an interesting message. But Mark, you being an Oakland guy, Marshawn being an Oakland guy, I think Marshawn would be great in some voiceovers as well. I think we've got to connect you guys together. Yeah, I know, man. I want to try that shit so bad. You should. I've been doing...

A lot of, what is it, ADR? Yes. Additional dialogue recording. Get the three beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. I'm in on the fourth. Yeah. What I'm saying, Marshawn, if you go into voiceover, see, they're not going to look at you and say,

He's type. They're going to listen to your voice. And if your voice is right, you're going to get it regardless of how you look. So and not only that, but voiceover is the ultimate lazy actor's dream because you don't have to memorize lines. You read it. You can you can come in looking like hell because they don't see you.

I said, where's this been all my life? And the checks cash, right, Mark? Yes. And I'm in the early 90s. And I'm telling you, you can make a lot more money in television and movies, but it's volume, volume, volume. If you're doing 300, 400 cartoons a year, that adds up. So some of these people are Jim Cummings, Tom Kenny, R.

They're Rob Paulson. These are the most famous people you've never heard of. But we've heard from is what you're saying. Yeah. Because we're hearing their voice over and over and over again. And it's the best of both worlds because, I mean, you can be anonymous and go anywhere you want. I mean, if I go to like, you know, the last Star Wars thing I went to, there's

There's dealers there, not fans, dealers, because memorabilia is such a big deal. They get your signature on a poster, the value. Can you imagine walking with Mark into a Star Wars convention? I mean, are you kidding me? And they follow you all the way to your car. I've been followed home where they stop at the red lights and run to your car during red lights. They follow me all the way to the base where I turn to go up the hill to where I live. And I got out of the car and said, look, you guys, please.

please don't follow me all the way home. And it's like a nuisance. I mean, I remember when I was a kid and I saw A Hard Day's Night, I went, oh, that's what I want. You know, the Beatles, they were being chased down the street and girls were clamoring for them. And it just seemed, I watched it recently. I'm thinking, what a horror movie this is. They have no life. They go from a car to a studio, to a car, to a hotel room. It's just like, it's horrible.

And, you know, you don't want to be ungrateful. And I do love the fans. I can't stand the dealers. And like I said, just a commodity. I mean, we sign stuff at Universal. We drive home to Malibu, you know, 45 to an hour later. And my son goes, hey, dad, that stuff you signed in the garage is already on eBay. They'll say, what?

Don't put it to anyone. It's a gift and I'm not sure who I want to give it to. I might as well sign it best wishes eBay because you know, I say instead of me signing your lightsaber, how about a selfie?

How about a son? Tell me your son hasn't snuck a piece of memorabilia. Did your son ever ask you, say, hey, dad, can you sign this for me when you weren't helping him with the allowance or something? He knows. I do notice nowadays. I say, wait a minute. Didn't that used to be my shirt? And they're like, well, no.

Well, Mark, it's been great to be with you. Thank you for being such a huge part of our lives, our journey. You know, I wasn't joking. I swear to you, I can remember the exact seat in the front row left at that Corte Madera theater after waiting. Looking at the movie like this in the front row, right? I know. And you said it when you watch King Kong. I swear to you, I'm not making this up. When you said you cried, that would make no sense to me, except I remember crying.

watching that movie. It like changed everything. I didn't know it was what Orson Welles says, don't give people what you think they want, give them what you never thought was possible. And it was that moment, it just expanded quite literally, not just figuratively, a universe. And so you've been such a part of that, but you also, I admire, and I'm of course,

you know, unsurprisingly may say this, but I also, I admire your activism. You're willing to be yourself, the willing to have a conviction and willing to put yourself out there regardless of, of, of what other people are thinking. And I appreciate you've been on the right side of so many issues. So it's great to be with you and thank you for continuing to be such an inspiration. We're down, but we're not out. We're not going to capitulate in advance. I was really sorry, Chris Ray, you know,

decided to resign instead of, you know, going the distance. And because I'm telling you, one thing I would like to say before we leave, if we can't agree on proven facts, the conversation shuts down. There's nowhere to go from there. So if you believe the election was stolen, there's nothing else to talk about. And until that is adjudicated, I believe,

January 6th is adjudicated in a court of law.

There's no way for us to completely heal. So that's why I'm hoping they preserve all of the January 6th committee's materials and finally rule one way or the other. Because it's just shocking to me that, first of all, I didn't think he could survive after inciting an insurrection like that. I said, oh my God, thank God he's out. But I'd been wrong before. I remember driving home from recording something and hearing the Hollywood Access news

Grab him by the privates remark. I said, oh, in my date book, campaign over. No one could survive that. And yet he's been able to survive. We don't have to do the laundry list, but it's just shocking to me. It's very disillusioning because I said up until the end with Kamala, I said she's going to beat him by more than Joe did because I believe there are more honest, decent people with integrity than there are MAGA's.

And I was wrong. Now, maybe I'm right that there are more, but they didn't all vote. And again, I'm still in a state of shock. And in fact, I had second thoughts about today and talking on the podcast, because I said, you know, for I don't know how many weeks it's been, but I've just been, I've stopped cable news. I don't watch cable news anymore.

I'm telling you, I've never watched the Food Network more in my life than now. So here's the deal, Mark. You have an open invite to come back to Oakland to hang out with me and Rashaun and Gavin. That would be great. I'd love it. Yeah, well, hopefully we spared you too much politics. Frank Haas was born in Oakland.

that Hells Angels was born in Oakland. How about that, Marshawn? Hells Angels. You know, I was so excited to give the key to the city of Oakland. What I didn't realize, it was like when I went to the ceremony, there were like 75 other people getting one too. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Everybody get a key. You get a key. You get a key. Right, right, right. See, when Marshawn's mayor, he's going to upgrade that key and he's only handing them out to select few. Yeah. Right, Marshawn? You're right. Good luck to all of you. No, Mark. Mark, like Gavin said, I appreciate what you've done, what you're doing. I love your drive. Your career has been incredible.

And this has been an absolute pleasure to have you on with us today. Honest to God, it really has. Thank you, Doug. And I can't thank you enough, man. Thank you. My pleasure. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it, Chief. Until next time.

Hey, Doug, we love hearing from our listeners. And if you have any questions or comments, you can email us. Doug, where do you email us? It's politicking at iheartradio.com. That's politicking at iheartradio.com. But Gavin, here's the deal. We want all the questions, good, bad, indifferent, ugly to you. To Doug, to Beast Mode, send your questions to politicking at iheartradio.com.

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