New Orleans Aftermath & The Rose Bowl, Plus Ignoring Your DMs With Jason Kidd
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So, Jay, you played against them both. Okay, let's settle this now. Who's the greatest of all time? Is it LeBron or is it MJ? Man, what's happening, man? You got Marshawn, Beast Mode, Lynch. Doug Hendrickson. And Gavin Newsom, and you're listening to Politicking. Marshawn, you were down at the Rose Bowl, right? Yeah.

You went, I mean, did you guys, were you even aware of what happened in New Orleans around the same time or a little bit earlier? Goddamn. Like, what the fuck going on? See, look, they got some of that fucking whiff of that shit and motherfuckers started going crazy. Okay. Them is American people on American soil. Correct. The guy was from Texas. He was here legally, served in the Army and the Air Force.

for our military. And, and, and so did the guy in Vegas as well. Interesting. When I say, when I say y'all, I don't mean like you, I'm just saying like, because you, you know, you were part of the government, uh,

I don't know, man. Do you go and talk to them motherfuckers and be like giving them speeches and shit too? Well, one thing we did talk right after the incident occurred, our office of emergency services reached out because we were concerned that those things were connected. And there was a lot of evidence in early part.

of the investigation that was the case. They both had served in a similar military base, both were vets, both went to the same car service and both rented cars, different vehicles, different locations. But there was concern that this was coordinated all across the country and that concern extended

to California. And so we put together our office of emergency service. We had a quick meeting and we were sharing intelligence information. And there was early concern, just full disclosure, that they absolutely were connected. It was, to your point, a little coincidental. But did they come from, because I want to say I heard that they came from the same base or something. Yeah.

They had served on the same base as well. So, I mean, a lot of those things, I mean, that's next level coincidence. But on the basis of what we've been told so far and what I've been told as well, that there isn't at this moment, and again, the investigations in its early stages, any evidence to bear that out. But one thing was...

of concern and Marshawn is where you were. While you may not have been concerned about it at the time you were at the game down there at the Rose ball. And there was concern this may because the proximity in, in new Orleans that there was concern about other large scale events and particularly the Rose ball. And so we had assess Marshawn,

in real time based upon the intelligence and then what the FBI was providing us, whether or not it was safe to continue. Hey Gavin, is this like Armageddon where there's a thousand TVs and there's phones and there's like analysts? Is this the room you're in? No, in fact, well, that's the room. I wasn't up in Sacramento at the time. So it's the Office of Emergency Service and what they call the stack, which is basically it's a state emergency center and it looks exactly like you would see and exactly as you described.

I mean, it looks like sort of a mini NASA center with screens everywhere and data and people drinking Cokes and candy and Red Bulls. All of the above and all the law enforcement, all the different agencies coming together and federal, local, state. So Batman, they'll hit you when they like, okay, so they let you know that they're going to take precaution and shit, right? 100%. So what does that look like? Because I'm...

Now, I don't think I got that much pull. You know what I mean? I wouldn't say that I'm one of them guys. But when I got to the game, right? Yeah. You know what I mean? I drive up. The driver tell the people, like, oh, yeah, yeah.

No, we just going to go in here. I'm going to just drop him off, you know. And they're like, what you mean you're going to drop him off? Like, oh, yeah, I got one of the, you know, one of the guys in here. And they let us in and they let us play.

right where the team buses was meaning no security check nothing no i mean no credentials and nothing i mean sounds like the way i get my fucking ticket i'm telling you i'm calling uh i'm calling doug at the gate you had a regular uber driver or something yeah i'm just saying i'm calling doug at the gate like hey what's up with a ticket or something you feel me like

I'm good walking back behind where the team bus is at. You know, I mean, family bus team bus where we because that's where we used to come in when when we played at the Rose Bowl. And then when you think and you like, yeah, OK, we debrief with the FBI. They saying this. We take precautionary shit. And then you say, well, how the fuck do you.

go and do some crazy shit like this, blah, blah, blah, whatever. Then you got all this new technology and all these security measures and

Then, you know, you just come up in an unmarked car with an unmarked celebrity and you get to the fucking team buses. No, you're exposing a weakness. I mean, by the way, it's not just the weakness at a Rose Bowl as an example. It's a perfect example, your example. But remember, Doug, a few years ago, right after 9-11, we're out there at the Super Bowl and you're walking in without tickets, bringing fibers. It was supposed to be the most secure Super Bowl in history.

And we walked in, there's only a couple of us with tickets. I was like, why, who are these folks behind us? They didn't even have damn tickets. They followed a train. You followed a train. By the way, Sean, how about the security that didn't exist before?

for Doug and I to go down at the Super Bowl, your Super Bowl, and meet you in the locker room. Neither of us had credentials. Neither of us were supposed to go down there. We didn't have law enforcement. We just went down on the power of persuasion. Doug's persuasion in this case. That's good. That's Doug. That's my state school grades right there, guys. Yeah. So you got emotional intelligence based upon the lack of

dinosaur intelligence. By the way, I was rocking right past Belichick after you won. You're right. There's no security down there. But anyways, Marshawn, that's a great, valid point. Gavin, so all this Armageddon Studios and stuff, how come there's no

more people on the ground. - Everybody's, you know, people have to step up their game. And look, he had the president-elect almost get assassinated. - So that's why I'm telling you. - Almost the best security in the world. So, I mean, this whole area, this is only highlighted

the profound importance of focusing on security across the spectrum. And look, the big thing now, obviously after what happened a couple of days ago in New Orleans, you got the Super Bowl coming up in New Orleans. You got other large scale events. I was just thinking about that. Like, okay, if you do this with Super Bowl in a month, maybe a month away. Yeah. The sad thing here, Marshawn, is I was talking to Cam Jordan, one of my clients in the Saints, we all know,

And I asked him how New Orleans was doing right now. He said, literally, it was almost like nothing happened. We're numb to this Gavin right now. And that's a sad thing. Let's put this in context. This guy ran his car over 15, killed 15 people, injured 35 people. And literally, I think the bars probably stayed. It was almost like we're numb to the fact.

which is the scary part. No, really. Yeah. The Notre Dame Georgia game, you know, shortly thereafter and everybody's back to your point. I mean, which you look, we have to move forward. So, I mean, I appreciate the resilience. That's a great mindset in terms of, you know, just being empowered and emboldened and not being sidetracked because that was the intention of this. It wasn't just the victims, those direct victims. It was impact. It was to create these conversations that we're having to create doubt, more anxiety about who we are and, and, and our ability to live in advance together. But,

So I thought that's important. But your point is the point you do get numb by. I mean, these mass shootings, we've gotten numb by it. I'm still, by the way, not over in Marshawn. Boy, one of these days I should share with you an appropriate setting, the Buffalo shooting. And, you know, you played in Buffalo. But in the reason I bring it up in the football context, this is a young kid with two parents.

that said on the spectrum, he was pretty progressive guy. Wasn't a conservative guy. He says, my parents were amazing parents. People liked me. I wasn't bullied. I was a good student in high school. And he literally does a Q and A

Of what he did, he basically asks every question you would have as to why the hell did he kill all these innocent people in a grocery store? Why he targeted the black community and he goes through it. There's page after page, dozens and dozens of pages of every conceivable question you can ask as to why. And he rationally ratchets it up.

his sort of his capacity to understand as he went to your point, deeper and deeper into the darkness of the internet. And he said he got clarity and light and started to understand, you know, and the antisemitism was next level. And then the black community starts, and then he starts getting into birth rates and then all this insane stuff, except rationally insane.

that led him to the act. And the challenge for me reading that is why the hell isn't everybody not reading that to understand what's going on? Why isn't that shared with people in positions of power? It's not shared. With law enforcement it is. I talked to every elected official. I've not met one other elected official that read that. And by the way, it almost is verbatim. The Christchurch guy down in New Zealand that he was, by the way, inspired by. It's a contagion that persists and exists.

and continues to this day. It's not a one-off event, just like this may not be a one-off event. The fear is this sort of ISIS-inspired event. And by the way, they have a playbook for precisely this kind of activity, meaning how you persist with a car and how you go into crowds and then what happens if your car stops. I mean, they literally lay out a toolkit

for doing these things. So it's a legitimate concern is the point. But my concern is Doug's point, which is we tend to move on, turn the page, and there's a normalization of what I would say of deviancy, meaning we've normalized the abnormal and we've become numb and we're starting to accept stuff that in the past we would never accept.

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We're joined by a Hall of Famer, a top 75 player of all time, a 10-time All-Star, NBA champ, epic career with your cow, Bears Marshawn, an Oakland Bay Area kid, two gold medals, okay? And one of the most iconic people and players of all time, J. Kidd. Jason, welcome to Politicking. What's happening?

How you guys doing? What's happening, Jason? You didn't even get into his high school stats. 25, 10, and 7, Doug. You didn't even know that, did you, Doug? I did know that. I used to go to Jason's games back in the day, Gavin. Yes, I did. Did you? I mean, your BS. You remember him there, Jason? You never saw Doug in the stands, man. Did you? I didn't see Dougie in the stands. I was too focused on my opponent. Nah, you would have noticed him. I'm sorry. If he was at any of the games, you would have noticed him.

Who the fuck is this loud-ass white boy on the court? Who the fuck is this dude talking to me at the free throw line? Nah, you got to get back in the stands, dog. You can't just walk to the free throw line. By the way, what everybody needs to understand, and you know this, Gavin, or Sean, you weren't even probably born yet. You were younger. But if there was NIL and there was social media back in Jason Kidd's days at St. Joe's, forget about it.

It was. It was. He was getting that brown pepper bag money. It only had a sandwich. It had a turkey sandwich in there. There was no green. There was no money in there. It was just... Oh, no. You had some lettuce and some broccoli in that thing with a little bit of extra cheddar. You know what I'm talking about? Oh,

Say it ain't so. Say it ain't so. See, Jason's going to be careful when responding to that, Marshawn. I think it's great for the sports of college to be able to get paid. Unfortunately, Marshawn and myself were not able to get paid

We had to wait to become professionals. But Jason, seriously, I mean, do you, I mean, is this, because I, and we, Doug knows this well, I signed the first NIL bill in the United States. I did it down with LeBron. You ain't going to let nobody miss that, huh? No, I say it, no, with humility and recognition. This is not what I expected.

That this is not, and this was only a few years ago. I mean, the whole transfer portal. That portal came and changed everything. Everything changed. I mean, so as a coach, I'm wondering, Jason, how does, I mean, how do you, I mean, just the whole, I mean, obviously you're not dealing directly with it necessarily now, though the indirect impacts I imagine are pretty pronounced.

But from a coaching perspective, I mean, you see these college players, Doug's now in the NIA business as an agent. How the hell do you build a culture? How do you lead an organization? How do you create an organization? Build one. I think what you did by signing that, recognizing that you were the first to sign that is congratulations because you were ahead of the game. I just think we needed some bumpers.

some, some kind of guidance, some rules, another committee. Uh, so, because now they didn't think about the portal. The portal has changed the game. Um, you're recruiting, uh, if someone scores, you're recruiting when he scores a touchdown or two points, you are recruiting your same, uh, players. Um,

And you can't treat them any differently because the portal is so wide open. But now you've got to understand there's other coaches recruiting your own players while they're playing. And so...

Yeah, it's tough. This is this is this is this is something that has to be looked at where we don't affect the business of money. I understand that. But I think the recruiting, if someone's playing quarterback and the other coach is recruiting that quarterback, it's just not fair. And so also we're teaching our kids to go to the highest bidder.

And so I think there's got to be a rule, and I'm just guessing like a two-year contract. If the coach does leave, you have an opportunity to leave. But I think, again, we're signing these kids out of high school. We're making them millionaires, which is great. But is there some guidance of, one, how to keep that money, and two, how to build that culture? I think that's a great question about how do you build a culture at Cal, right?

because the players are leaving. - Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, you know, Doug, you've had this direct experience, right? Where you get these guys, I mean, Jason, I appreciate what you said, just one component of what you said. I mean, here's a kid with a couple million bucks that has never had a checking account or a savings account that goes out, spends the money. I mean, Doug, you've had this experience. You've had clients or folks that you've helped, and then they go to the end of the year and say, "Dude, what do I do? I got a $300,000 IRS bill."

How the hell am I going to pay this? Well, yeah, no, the biggest problem, you're 100% right. I mean, these guys are, it's 1099 income. They think the money's going to keep rolling. And it goes back to Marshawn on your Get Got podcast, Marshawn, about Lockett and the 401ks and financial literacy. If you guys, like Jason, you and Marshawn, these athletes will get into it and help these schools, the financial literacy programs, things like that.

it's much needed, but now it goes to high schools. I mean, Jason, this goes back to youth sports too. Your son is a great baseball player and you're seeing it now in the youth sports game too is evolved in a crazy way with crazy parents and

How do you look at that game too, as far as the youth sports? I'm trying to learn that. That's a great point. You have a class of maybe the class of 28 is now, that's a freshman signing with the agency because they believe that NIL can get them paid. And these are families who might not have a lot of money and need the money, but we're making freshmen or sophomores millionaires and they don't have a

the capabilities of understanding, you know, there's a new family member and uncle Sam that you have to, to respect. But also just guidance because we're putting so much pressure. There's anxiety, there's pressure for these young student athletes to be successful because we're looked upon or they're looked upon as a lottery ticket. And so the more we can talk about it, the more that we can have groups that,

of Marshawn and myself, people who can go out and talk to these young kids can only help. Jason, I love you bringing up just the pressure, man, just with you sports. I mean, you guys are two iconic, extraordinary athletes. I mean, do you feel like it's significantly more pressure today that we're putting on kids than the kind of pressure your parents put on the two of you? Yeah, I think just the social media, you know,

My Sean probably is a little bit more into that. I was more into the newspaper. We had to wait the next day for the writer to write about if we were good or bad. The Chronicle, the green section of the Chronicle.

That's right. The Oakland Tribune or the Green Section. That's right. And so and so. But today there's hearts, there's thumbs, you know, the DMs, everybody is. And the biggest thing that we haven't talked about is the gambling aspect. The people who can gamble can reach right out to the athlete, which I don't think we've ever seen before.

What do you mean? Is that something the players are talking about today? I mean, is that something in the locker room that's part of the conversation? Yeah, because you got athletes, you know, you got players who will get DMs. What are you showing us there, Marshawn? Marshawn, what? Marshawn is showing what, an old article? The first time you were in the newspaper, buddy? Yeah, baby. I got some of your stuff. Nah, I come up underneath that cloth, too. Yes, you do.

By the way, but Doug, isn't that a great precious thing? Man, here's Marshawn. And Jason, I bet you still have your, I bet your parents still have the boxes of all those old articles. And those are precious, man, versus the 10 million damn things that go online that disappear in a nanosecond that have no real value. 100%. We valued the newspaper. It was gold.

Cal sport? What is it? Cal high sport? That's right. That's your right. I've got to go. Yeah, I've got to go. Yeah, where that thing at? Go look in the Oakland Tribune. We get that little Oakland column OAM. That's right. And so today you have fake news. You got everyone has their opinion. And so I feel that the kids need role models a lot more.

than ever today because there's so many people who are talking or betting on them to fail or be successful.

Jason, take me through the pride you and Marshawn had as far as kids growing up in Oakland with the history of Oakland athletes and Bill Russell and everything else. And take me through the pride you had then and even now when you're walking the country about being from Oakland and the legacy and the history there of you and Marshawn. Yeah, I think just growing up in Oakland, I got lucky to have an older brother, a couple of them, B. Shaw and Gary Payton.

And then to be able to play for Gary Payton's dad, Mr. Mean. But when you had the role models, when you talk about Bill Russell, Paul Silas, Ricky Henderson, the labor base. Yes, yes. You know, we we played not just

basketball. We played, uh, football. We played baseball. We tried to play them all because we had great icons in the Bay area. And so, uh, to be able to look up to when Purvis short sleepy Floyd was playing at golden state, you know, those were, those were the guys that we looked up to, um, and went to camp. Uh, it was, uh, you know, that's, that was the dream I wanted to play. I want, I went to Purvis shorts camp and wanted to be an NBA player. And, um,

He started that dream for me. I love that. By the way, just, I mean, going back at that time, you know, you're making a point that is sort of reinforces the point I'm making or inquiring about as it relates to youth sports. Now everybody has to drill down on one decision, one sport. It's year round. You had the ability to develop as Marshawn did as well. I saw it, by the way, we saw Marshawn out in the baseball field. I was like, can't be true.

This guy was playing shortstop, then he was pitching. I'm like, what the hell is this? Like next level, no BS. I forget his football. I was blown away by him on the baseball field. But that's not the case with these kids anymore, right, Jason? They're just developing one sport, but they're not developing all these other skills in the process, right? Yeah, I agree with you, Gavin. I think when you look at having the opportunity to play on a different surface,

being with your friends, even if you're not as good in that one sport, just to be able to develop relationships, develop other motor skills, see things differently. And unfortunately today it's just one coach, one sport and max out and hope you don't get hurt and that you get drafted or you get it. Now it's just about getting the NIL deal. And, and so,

I thought playing soccer, playing other sports, you got to be able to use different body parts and develop. And that helped you become the player in basketball or football that you are. Marshawn, when you were growing up in Oakland, I appreciate you mentioned I'm smiling. I mean, Doug, you as well, right? All these iconic moments.

athletes that were legends, heroes in our eyes. Marshawn, you remember any of that stuff? The camps, the first camps you went to? I mean, Jason talks about being inspired to be an NBA player by one of the camps. Do you remember going on anything when you were a kid that just made you just change your mindset? No, so especially when I was growing up, like

that's when you know those camps you had to you had to pay to attend those camps and it was like if you go to a camp then you cutting into you know i mean your money that you got for the fee that you need to go and play for your sport so i mean i would try things like um

play for like boys and girls clubs. Cause AAU at the time was expensive as fuck. So, I mean, you know, you go to the boys and girls club and you could play. Now the talent is a big drop off, but, um, I think my first camp that I went to was, uh, the Nike combine that they had over at Stanford. I believe I had, uh,

I got the invitation the day of the camp. So I came with just some tennis shoes. And we're going to run a 40, do shuttle drill, L drills, and run one-on-ones. I'm like, shit, I ain't got no cleats. So I had to borrow my cousin, Mike Bominote, man. God bless him, because I ain't had no spikes. So he would go in, do his drills, run his routes, and then...

I would use his cleats after his rep. I ran my 40. At this time, I'm probably like a size 10 and a half. I ran a 40 and some size 8 shoes. And I'm talking about I was hot.

Cause my feet were balled up in them low ass shoes. I had no choice, but to run fast so I can get them motherfuckers off. I had to man, but you know, the, the, the, the camps and all of that date for us, they wasn't really that big. And the thing was, you know, as I listened to Jake here, talk about, you know, the, the, the youth and how, you know, the parents, the pressure and,

Like, when we used to play, like, my mama like, boy, get your ass out this house. So I'm going outside. I'm going from apartment building to apartment building to my boys who stay up the street. We going to go knock on doors. Hey, can y'all – hey, can't –

Can Blood come outside? We need two more. We need two more. No, he on punishment. Like, damn. Well, you know what? What about his sister or his little brother? Because we just need to make sure we got, you know, five on five. Or they got seven. I need one more. Like, I'll take whatever I can get. Like, we going out there. It wasn't to...

in my mind, it wasn't we going to go play so we can go to the NFL, get an NIL deal, put our game on Instagram or whatever. It was because we really enjoyed getting out and actually playing a game. So you go outside, next thing you know, you finna get your ass whooped because you know you were supposed to be at home before the streetlights came on and that motherfucker's been on for well over an hour. Yeah.

moms coming down the street with them flip-flops clacking, and all you hear is that, you know you about to get an ass whooping. You know you should have been home. Now, I'm going to beat your ass until you get home. Now, you don't understand that. You think you got to sit there and take that ass whooping? Shit, I'm sprinting. Little brother and sister getting their ass whooped. Now, my mama, track athlete,

Oh, she on me. Oh, you thought you was going to run and miss this ass whooping? Oh, no, you're going to get every one of these. But I'm saying that was the motivation. Well, you guys were hungry, too. Hungry back then. No, we had nobody hungry. We had nobody to worry about eating. You maybe went to the store, got you a little 25-cent bag of chips, a little 25-cent quarter water juice, and you thugging it out five, six hours max.

No concept of time. No nothing. All I know is I'm having hella fun and I gotta make sure at the end of the day the score be like 200 and...

70 to fucking 300. And we playing football. Jason, you have any of those experiences in Oakland? Any of that makes sense? Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I think when he talked, when you're talking about finding your friends outside, hey, we're going to meet at the playground. You get off that first bus. I'll be right there waiting for you at 245. And that bus was late. You're like, man, why is the bus late? So then you're like, hey, where's such and such? Is he going to be able to play? So

So we got, you know, five, it's three on two. So you put the two best against the other three. Yeah. You play half court. And so now it's just a matter of being able to, you use what you had and you made the best of it. And yes, you,

You always knew that you pushed the limits of that sun going down and that streetlight coming on because you knew you had the rule was be home before the streetlight came on. But you were having so much fun that you would take that ass beating.

And understand that the next day, if you were in that same scenario, because as a kid, you're having so much fun that you would probably go, hey, it did hurt, but I'm having so much fun with my friends. I'm going to take another one. And so, but you love to play outside. You came up, you were creative with different games. If you didn't have enough, you figured out, okay, the two best players against the three. And we're just going to play until everybody gets tired. And then everybody gets tired.

Got a butt whooping when they got home. Hey, Jason, take me through. You told me the story. I hope you can share it. You're probably the number one recruit in the country at St. Joe's, and you got everybody after you, and UNLV has just won a title.

and take me through the time, you know, Tarkanian, rest in peace. The shark was all over you, and I think you committed to UNLV, correct, before you went to Cal? Well, I wanted to go to UNLV so bad. Everybody wanted to go to UNLV. Anybody that was on the West Coast wanted to go to UNLV, and Tark and Gerds, you know, was where I wanted to go, and they knew I wanted to go there. So I got an opportunity to watch UNLV play San Jose State

and went to the game. And then after the game, they said, hey, we're going to have a barbecue.

So I thought, okay, barbecue. It's already 10 o'clock at night. Where is this barbecue going to be? They said, come back to the hotel. It's going to be on the top floor. And I was sold. When they had the barbecue on the top floor, I was like, I'm going to UNLV. This is what it's all about. Stacey Augman, Hunt, Larry Johnson. It was incredible. The running reps. Everybody wanted to be a running rep. And Stacey

And so being one of the top kids in high school at that time, that was my first choice until they got on probation. Oh, so that was what happened. So then Cal came running or you came running to Cal? Then I was like, it's between Kansas and Cal. And I have family in Kansas and decided to stay at home at Cal. I thought that was the best choice. Playing with those guys in the summer, I thought I could help them, you know, get better.

and hopefully make a dent in the tournament. And it turned out that we had a good run. But it was a lot of fun to be at home. Hold on. That's crazy. I just was talking to somebody. How do you pronounce the coach from UNLV name? Gerds? Or... Tarkanian. Tarkanian, yeah. Yeah, that's the gangster, right? Yeah. All right, so somebody was telling me that... Yeah, I mean, so I guess...

the Lakers wanted to, you know, bring him over to the forum. And they say they sent somebody to come and talk to him and, you know what I mean, try to, you know, persuade him to come over to coach the Lakers. And, you know, at the time, I guess the mob was, you know, the real mob was running Vegas and they wasn't having that shit. So the dude that came to talk to him,

They say they end up finding this motherfucker dead in the trunk. And I'm like, oh, what you mean? Like, yeah, they they they knocked his ass off.

Larry Johnson and those guys, they say, yeah, they was easily making about a million at the time. They all had, they put them in, you know what I mean, fly ass cars the whole night. And I'm like, damn, that shit, it don't get that serious. So you was right after that. I don't know if you know anything about that, but you know what I mean? Somebody had told me this story and I'm like,

Oh, that's why them motherfuckers was running around. Yeah, I mean, so, so, so gangsta at the time. They had a gangsta-ass coach and they had the mob pushing behind them. So when you say you went to that barbecue, did you get any mob vibes at that time? No, it was just a nice barbecue.

That's the right answer. Like we protected around this motherfucker, huh? You'd have to ask Stacey Ogden and Larry Johnson about that. But, you know, Tarkanian was a player's coach, um,

He let the players be themselves. He had players from Detroit, from L.A. So and also they were, you know, always looked upon as the best. But it was their stories that that are out there like that. Don't know if they're true, but I was after after that. Tark never left UNLV, that's for sure.

Hey, Jason, take me back. Talk about being the best. When did you start to develop confidence? You remember it was a moment or was there a game? Was there a conversation? Your parents, was it just a family member or someone stranger came up and said in seventh, eighth grade, hey, kid, keep doing what you're doing. You got something special.

No, you know, I think it started in elementary school, seventh, eighth grade when there was a referee said, man, you're going to be good. And I was like, why would the referee tell me I'm going to be good? And so this was this was CYO. So so I was just like, oh, that's cool. And then.

I did get the opportunity to play with Gary a lot. And he let me know that I was not very good. And he talked a lot of shit. And he let me know every time. And I thought, you know, I was feeling pretty good about myself that I could score.

And then we would work out. He would not let me score. And so I had to figure out I had to continue to keep working. And so he humbled me. That let me know that I wasn't good and I wanted to become better. So I came back for those ass kickings. And Gary helped me, you know, become the player I am. And he taught me a lot. I just couldn't talk anymore.

and play like he did I thought I would get too tired I mean but he he could talk and he could back it up and he could play at a high level but I always thought man if I talk I'm gonna be tired I'm gonna be gassed out but for whatever reason he knew how to do both at a very high level were you were your parents big talkers were they out there were they pushing you all the time or were they just proud of you just you be you or they they wanted to see you where you are today

Yeah, great question. My parents were very supportive. They both had jobs. They both made sure I got to practice. And so there was, you know, no, like we have the number one high school player in the country. It was like, how can we help you, support you? And I was just very blessed to have my mom and dad, you know, support me to get me to practice and to the games and fly me around the country. My dad actually worked for TWA,

Transamerica back in the day. So we were very fortunate to be able to, you know, fly on standby. I learned patience, I think, from standby because it was like sitting there like, yeah, we ain't getting on this flight. We got to wait and we can spend most of the day in the airport. And so, but it was, it was, I was very lucky to have my parents.

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And Jason, how was it? So you get drafted and back, Marshawn, those were the heydays because you came in and your shoe deal is probably $100 million. The contracts, I mean, the money back then was crazy in terms of shoe contracts and everything else. Yeah, I had some JT's.

So how was that back then in terms of just navigating the financial side of things at 19 years old when you leave Cal? Yeah, you know, I think that's a great question in the sense of we were the last year of the big deal. So anytime Glenn Robinson was the number one pick and he was asking for $100 million. And so I was like, oh, this is great. I'm the number two pick. So I'm going to fall. Whatever he gets, I'm going to fall a little bit below him. And so...

It ended up, I think, to be a $54 million deal for 10 years. And so it was a deal or nine years. So it was a great deal. It was the last of the big deals. And so after that, the league went to the slotted, you know, being slotted. So the number one, number two pick, number three pick, all were slotted.

And so we were, I was very lucky. Glenn Robinson signed a nice deal. Grant Hill was third. He signed a nice deal. So, and then he signed a nice deal with Fila and I got lucky to sign a nice deal with Nike. Grant Hill drinks bright.

So, Jason, just take me through. I mean, those early experiences and obviously those changes that the NBA and the league started to make after those big deals. And, you know, take us now to where we are today. And there's a lot of conversations folks are having about that.

The NBA, a lot of positive conversations, obviously a lot of concern, just viewership, how the game is quote unquote changing and how to make it more relevant in season tournament now, just ways of getting more eyes and looking more globally at the sport. I mean, what's been your journey and what's your over under on how things have evolved or devolved from your perspective?

Yeah, I think the game is in a great place. I think history always repeats itself, as we know.

And just understanding the changing of the guard from Steph and LeBron. We had the changing of guard, you know, from Magic to Larry Bird to Michael Jordan. And so just understanding there's always maybe, and I don't want to use the word slippage, but just where there's a downturn just for a second. But our league is full of stars, a lot of international stars. And so it just shows the game is global, right?

and that has grown. Yes, we're shooting a lot of threes. There's a lot, and everyone can shoot today. And so just understanding that there's going to probably be, you know, we're going to get a dominant player like Victor who can play inside out, you know, just understanding his skill set, just like Giannis, you know, being able to play inside and out. But I truly believe we have one of the great games. I think the end-season tournament,

Maybe it could become, and this is just my opinion, it could become the all-star game where we can have the semis and finals because it becomes competitive. I know we didn't like last year's all-star game where they scored 200 points. It's like one of those Marchand games back in the day. Oh, yeah.

I think the game is in a good place and the players have gotten better. And so the league is always looking, you know, how can we keep the viewers watching and again, talent,

uh, does that. And I think, uh, for our youth with Victor, uh, being one of the, uh, young, uh, talented players in our league, people are going to watch him, uh, what Joker's doing in Denver. He can win another MVP. Uh, just, he makes the game look so easy, uh, Shay in Oklahoma city. So again, Shay's from Canada. And so again, the international game is, uh, is on the rise. Uh,

For us at the U.S., we have to start developing our players or we're going to be in trouble in the Olympics. Hey, Jason, I got a question and we talk about it. Obviously, you're a huge football fan and the difference between football and basketball is so huge. For example, you look at the Sacramento Kings up the road from us. You know, they get the franchise is on the rise.

The last four or five years, they get rid of Mike Brown. And now De'Aaron Fox wants to trade. And in the NBA, when these guys want trades, they get traded. There's not an NFL player that will go to an owner and say, I want to be traded. The owner will say, we're not trading you. Why is it in the NBA if Fox or Jimmy Butler, these guys want trades, they always get traded versus the NFL where the owner says, screw you, I'm not moving you.

Well, I think it is two different sports because you don't hear a lot of NFL players coming out saying they're going to want to be traded. But I think when you look at the NBA, just the talent level where if Jimmy Butler or Fox asked to be traded, the value of those players can bring you back.

the value of what you think. And so, but again, when we have these different platforms, it gives everyone the opportunity to speak out and things have changed where now a lot of players do exercise that platform to, to try to get traded. And so also it gives media something to talk about. It,

in Northern California or down in South Beach. But I think truly that will always be part of the game of a player, a star player, not liking the situation and wanting to be moved. And a lot of times you start to see these mega teams that have been created. And so, you know,

Maybe Fox or Butler want to join a mega team. On the other side of that as a coach, I mean, you've been at this. I love that. I mean, you started coaching right when you were done with playing and you immediately moved on. I mean, was that, first of all, was that a natural transition?

Evolution, meaning you had your mind already set on that being your next career choice, or did that happen in some other way? And number two, the whole issue of coaching now, the pressure you're getting and the pressure you've had as a coach in a number of teams to win and win now, win at all costs.

Yeah, I think when you look at when I was coming out, the car ran out of gas as a player. I knew I needed to do something different. And I started to think about coaching, GM ownership. And I thought if you go into coaching, it gives you the background if you're going to go to become a GM or become an owner of understanding what a coach goes through.

It's easy to say, okay, you lost two or three in a row and go, hey, we got to change the coach. But there's so many things that go into that. And so with injury or illness or just you're not making shots, it happens in an 82-game season. And, you know, how do you stay positive and turn it around? And so that was the thinking about going into coaching. I wanted to understand from the ground floor is this understanding, like, what it means to be a coach.

And then to that second part, coaching is tough because you were the first one to take the sword. And so no matter, you know, Mike Brown did a great job in Sacramento, but they're not behind the closed doors of what's being said to ownership. They felt they needed to make a change. Unfortunately, it's the coach before the player.

And so Mike Brown is one of our better coaches in this league. And unfortunately in that situation, he got fired, but yeah,

I think when we sign up to be a coach, you know that you're going to take the blame for the losses. You never get credit for the wins. And you're the first one on the list that has to go. And so that's the challenge. But we signed up for that challenge because we all want to win. Jason, is it harder for you? As Doug introduced you, there's no other way to describe you except a legend in the sport. Is it harder?

Being so exceptionally talented to have been such a great player to coach other players, meaning do you have because I imagine you have this instinct. Jesus Christ, I get my ass in here. I'll tell you how it's done. I mean, there must be that that push pull or is it or is it is it easier because you have more empathy for these guys out there on the court?

No, I think it was hard at first. That's for sure. Going straight from playing to coaching. But I was blessed to have Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Sean Livingston, Darren Williams, Joe Johnson. So I had vets that I just played against. The language was very similar. What I saw and I shared with them, they understood. For the younger players,

You have to be patient. You have to leave your ego or what you would do in that situation because a lot of times they can't see what you see. And so first you got to get to their level of like ask, hey, what do you see? And when they tell you, you go, okay, this is what I, you know, I can feed them of how to teach. Because if you go into just strictly what I was taught, it can confuse a young player. And so you have to be patient.

You have to spend a lot of time. We talked about AAU. We have to be better in that part of our game because it's terrible. And then we really should look at the European model of the academies and being able to develop coaches and be able to develop players. And I think we're missing the boat on both of those right now.

Is the NBA moving in that direction? I mean, is the league itself starting to move away from talking about that to actually doing something about that? I hope so. I hope that's something on their agenda because I think when you look at the European model of Real Madrid or these teams that are over there with the academies and then being able to develop teams

At the age of 13, 14, 15, and then develop coaches. I think we all always, you know, look at just the player, but how can we develop coaches? And I think here in the States, if someone was to come up with an academy for just coaches, that would become a goldmine because we don't have enough good coaches throughout our sports industry.

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So, Jay, you played against them both. Okay, let's settle this now. Who's the greatest of all time? Is it LeBron or is it MJ? Oh, here we go. Jesus. That stresses me out, this conversation. All right, let's hear it. It does stress me out. I got strong opinions. By the way, Jason, listen to me. Not many people can sit. You can ask someone like Jason, who's the top 75 player of all time, one of the greatest players ever to play the game. He's got to be careful, though. He's got to be. I'm worried about Jason here. As a politician, I want him to be careful.

She's a politician. I would give a politician answer. That's what I'm hoping for. Politician, no politics, man. Oh, I know, I know. No politics. All right, so that's it. No politics, Jason. Tell us, who is it? Yeah, don't say good things about the other person. Just let us have it. Let's hear it, man. Your private voice. MJ, he was an assassin. He did the best to do it. He set the bar.

for LeBron and for Kobe to go chase. And both went to chase it and both touched it. And what LeBron has done is now set the bar even higher for the next guy. And when you talk about the Joker, Luka, guys like Victor, LeBron has now set the bar of becoming a billion-dollar athlete

now those guys have something to chase. And so I would say Dr. J set the bar for MJ and then MJ took it and took it to the moon. And now it's up to our next generation to go chase LeBron. And that's a political way. I'm not going to say-

I'll give you a B, a B, B minus. I see. He been watching you, Batman. But hey, Marshawn, what I appreciate is he started with, and there's no other way to describe MJ except as an assassin. And it's so interesting to hear folks like you, Jason. It's one thing that we're sitting on the sidelines, but the way he's been described in terms of, again, just there's sort of fierceness, there's competitiveness,

I mean, he was going to take you down. It was a zero sum mindset as it relates to being out there on the court. Yeah, he was. And he, I think when you talk about Kobe, Kobe copied MJ and he wants to be MJ. And so to understand what Kobe did and then Kobe took it to another level and then LeBron has now taken it to another level. And so I think it's, you know, who's the best, man, I would love to see, uh,

M and LeBron play one-on-one. I did get the opportunity in 08 to see Kobe and LeBron practice for the Team USA. So it's incredible. You know, when you talk about the greatest, M set the bar and Kobe and LeBron chased, and I think they both touched that status and have now taken it to another level. Hey, Jason, let me ask you a question. It seemed like...

Mike was sort of a mythical figure. He didn't go out a whole lot. It's like almost when I'm with Marshawn at times, Marshawn goes through some plays and people are like, oh, that's Marshawn. MJ seemed like, was he one of the guys or was he kind of like, oh my God, MJ showed up? Was he kind of in a different planet back then in terms of the awe for a lot of players in the NBA? Yeah, no, he was one of the guys. He definitely hung with the guys. He wanted to be with the guys. He would play cards.

you know, talk trash to you. But he was one of the guys. Now, he didn't go out a lot in public just because of the attention, but he liked to hang with the guys and play cards. And we all know that he loves to play golf. But again, he wants to compete. He would bet that he could beat you at anything. And if you were up for that challenge, he was always willing to make that bet. Damn, that's crazy. So...

There was a game. We was on our mission to, you know what I mean, trying to become a dynasty. And I remember there was a game. We was playing against Tennessee. Earl had these. He had these 12s, these blue 12s.

12's a little bit green. I'm like, bro, them cleats raw as fuck. He's like, man, take them. He gave them to me the week of practice. I'm like, oh, hell yeah. So I put them on ice, put them up. I took them home. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm finna wear these in the game. He thought I was going to wear them at practice. So we get out there pregame. You know, I wore a different shoe. So game time start, I put them J's on. Oh, man.

We going out there. I mean, I'm having a pretty decent game. Hell yeah. All I can think in my head is, is it the shoes? Hell yeah. Come in at halftime, I'm feeling good. Like, oh, yeah. I done found that number. I know what type of time it's on. I'm finna go out here. We finna put these away. We get in there where the equipment manager come over to me, man. Like, hey, you got to take them shoes off.

like what taking my shoes off you got me up earl come over to me like hey sean bro hey beast mode man you gotta take them shoes off bro or i'm gonna lose my deal man the jordan team just called me said man you gotta take the motherfuckers off i'm like is you serious i'm out here going crazy so all right it's cool

Now, I ain't taking these shoes off. He said, no, bro, you got to take them shoes off, bro. If you don't take them shoes off, bro, I'm going to lose my deal. I'm like, man, you know what? Fuck it, man. Took the shoes off, was mad as fuck. Ended up, you know what I mean, two touchdowns, 150. And so after the game, I'm like, hey, bro, was it the Jordan team that called you or did Jordan call you? Because if Jordan called you, then I ain't tripping. But if it was a team...

I should have kept them fucking shoes on, like, nah, bruh, you know what I mean? I would have loved to keep my deal, man, so I appreciate it, but it's something special about, you know what I mean, putting them shoes on, you talk about, you know, the greats and all that, but I'm, considering I'm playing football and I'm out there with the 12s on, I'm thinking, like, it's really the shoes that got me acting up like this right now, because,

Yeah, I mean, we wasn't even supposed to. The game was supposed to be, we were supposed to exploit their pass defense. But for whatever reason, once I put them J's on, 150 on their ass, I said, they can't stop it. It's got to be the shoot.

They made me come up out them motherfuckers' hats. Jason, is it the shoes? Is it the shoes, Jason, or is it the coaches? What the hell is it? I'm going to go with the shoes. Go with the shoes. Is it that, man? Said from a guy with a $50 million shoe contract back in the day. Well said. I was stepping on their ass, too, boy. I was getting to it. Yeah.

By the way, Jason, did you ever imagine, I mean, you know, sort of moving, you know, a little bit off the grades to one of the, obviously just this, the legend that is, that continues LeBron. I mean, seriously, do you ever imagine a guy at 40 years old?

doing what he's doing. I mean, did you ever imagine yourself, I mean, or is it just stretch the mind now and all these players are looking differently at their lives and future and their health regimen and their workout routine off season? I mean, what has it done to the league itself or even your own thoughts about your own career looking back? Well, what LeBron is doing at 40 is incredible, but it's give him the flowers that he needs to

Because he's taking care of his body and his mind at a very young age. He's been surrounded with people who've told him about stretching, about what to eat, how to take care of your body. There's a number that's floating around out there that, you know, how much he spends on his body. But the return...

is greater than anything than what he's doing but on that floor right now. I think he had 30-something the other night. He looks like he's 32 years old. He's playing the game the right way, and he's, again, carrying a franchise at the age of 40, which is incredible.

Jason, did you and Marshawn, I mean, back in your day, and I know Marshawn's regiment at times, he would drink some Hennessy and put a weight vest on and run the hills of Oakland. And that was his midnight routine. And he wouldn't stretch and would go out and do his thing. Did you guys, back in your day, there wasn't a lot of regiments, right? You just go play.

Yeah, it was not to stretch. It was more like, hey, did you have McDonald's or, you know, what fast food place? Are you going to stop by and have it?

Now, it wasn't a lot of the things that are out there today. It was about grit, about what, you know, your superstition, like what did you have the last game? You kind of stayed in that territory. But today, it's not even close to, you know, going to have McDonald's. I don't quite hear anybody going to McDonald's. Everything is a salad. Everything is...

vegan. Uh, so I don't think he retired. He wouldn't be up for that. Getting your sleep and all that stuff. It's a different ball game. There's a lot more information, uh, you know, running the Hills of Oakland, uh, what the way to invest. Um, you know, that was, that was like probably primetime. That was probably the best thing to do at that point. Uh,

Because that was the only thing. Yeah. Little Jerry Rice in that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hey, Jason, what do you know? We talked about, you know, there's inevitable question about the goat on the court. But I mean, how about on the coaching ranks? I mean, was it Larry Brown? Is it Wilkins? I mean, who's I mean, who are the folks out there for your perspective that are just the true legends in the coaching space? Your twin Pat Rowley, Gavin? Yeah.

Don't forget Pat. The only reason he's bringing that up, someone asked me, boy, it must be cool to be Pat Riley's son. I'm like, yeah, it's amazing. It's incredible. Pat is probably one of the goats, but when you look at what Pop has done in his career, and hopefully he has the speed of recovery, he's back on the sidelines here in

But when you look at the greats, you brought up some Lee Wilkins. I think you look at Don Nelson. He did differently. He played. He was different. And sometimes people didn't accept different. But I thought offensively he opened it up, run TMC. And then when he got to Dallas with Dirk and Nash and Finn, he did things differently. Family.

And then when you look at what Steve Kerr has done in Golden State, you look at we got a lot of great coaches, but one of my favorite coaches, he's up for the Hall of Fame, is Dick Mata. Dick Mata won a championship, but

But always was one of those coaches that went and it was a rebuild and helped rebuild the organization to become, you know, relevant. And I think he just never got enough credit to do that. He was the first Dallas Mavericks coach. He was my first coach here in Dallas. And so I think he hopefully he gets recognized and can make it to the Hall of Fame here. But again, when you talk about pop,

uh, Pat Riley, uh, you know, guys who've had to deal with stars and, uh, Phil Jackson will be in that boat too. Being able to deal with stars to get to their level and then to get them to perform at the highest level at the right time. And Phil Jackson, um, everybody talks about he's always had the greatest, but sometimes when you have the greatest player, it doesn't always mean you're going to win. And so, um,

It puts a little bit more pressure. But I thought, again, what he did and the success that he's had is he goes down as one of the best to do it. Hey, Jay, we were just talking about the incident in Sugar Bowl and the game got postponed. Marshawn was going to the Rose Bowl the next day and Gavin, you know, there was stuff about do we play the Rose Bowl or not. As a coach and as a team, do you guys talk about that kind of stuff if that happened today?

at a game about do we play, do we want to play safety, or is it kind of just like, it's just kind of one of those things? No, it's definitely talked about with the players because it's about the players. It's about the safety of players' families too. A lot of times,

We always just focus on the game, but if there was a family member that was caught in something like that, that's just tragic. And so you have to, you have to think about family and friends as much as it is just a game. What happened is, is really sad. And again, for that to take place, it's just, you know, hopefully that doesn't happen again, but it does. You do talk with the players and then,

It's kind of taken out of your hands because, again, the college committee is going to decide if that game is going to be played or not. Are those other games going to be postponed? And so they went ahead and played them. But again, it's it's a sad thing, tragic. You never want something like that to happen.

And Jason Marchand has talked about this in terms of when he was playing and the fan, the levels of fan craziness of them thinking they can, you know, say whatever and do whatever. When you played it, it was probably bad, but now it's gotten out of control, right? I mean, whether it be Luke or Kyrie or any of these legends or players nowadays, these fans pay five, six hundred bucks in the floor and think they have the ability to say whatever and do whatever. I mean, is it is it you see that now at a different level?

Yeah, it definitely has grown with the things that are said to coaches or to players. Gambling, I think, has an effect on that. Also – NSC. Yeah. Yes. And the problem – I mean, at the game is expected. Like, I get it at the game, but now they have direct access to –

the individual yep and it's almost i mean it's with with how social media is it's almost easier like i mean you know most people you you would need that number to call them and reach out to them and say some wild shit like but now they can just get directly to you through any of these uh social media apps that's just i mean they pile up that that's a big thing that i that

you know as i as i i think about it like damn that can be up but it's only like for the the players that's like well for me considering you know i just pulled out my uh

my newspaper clip and then you know while i'm playing all of a sudden you got this new social media thing where it's like what the fuck but i was thinking like damn how the fuck do these you know these little get um you know acclimated with it but the thing is they grow up with it so they they actually like they live it this is their means of communication and you know how they deal with it because i mean uh you know the shit with uh with the young boy right now uh

uh, Travis Hunter, like how, you know, everybody talking about, you know what I mean? His, his, his, his business and shit. I'm just thinking like, fuck what? The main focus is about nothing that anybody should be focused. Like how you deal with that as a,

As a person considering like, I mean, I'm here to, you know what I mean? Play my sport, but this is what y'all choose to talk to. Yeah. Gavin's Travis Hunter got ripped because his girlfriend or fiance or whatever, didn't stand up or whatever. And during the, the ceremony. Yeah. So I was ripping this guy. Like, it's like, dude, like,

What does this have to do with playing the game? It's interesting, the combination of social media, but I think going back to what Jason was saying too, just the gambling side, it was interesting. I was in the airport a few months ago and a major league umpire came up to me and wanted to say hello. We started chatting and I said, you know, he'd been in the league for a few decades, loved it. He said, I'm done though. And I said, why are you done? He goes, I got to retire because it's out of control, the gambling. I said, what does that mean? He goes,

I said, how does that affect you? He says, I'm getting threats all the time. It's not with combination of social media, every ball and strike, he says, I'm done. I'm tapping out.

So it's, you know, it's interesting, Jason, just from, and it goes to your question, Doug, just the fan experience and this sort of their sense of entitlement and right to know because they've got something on the line themselves, not just the players. So that's something we're going to have to obviously have to get our arms around. Jason, what's, I mean, again, what's, is the league having real conversations in this space? Yeah, the league is definitely having a lot.

that our kids are dealing with. But not, you know, just as you brought up, not just the players, but you have the officials, you have the coaches. You know, there's so many people who have effect on a game and that are being reached because of the platforms.

And so it's something that we have to do a deep dive. We want to protect the game, but also we want to protect the individuals because we're all human. We're not AI. We have feelings. And so when someone is at the airport going at you,

This isn't the game, as Marshawn talked about. We accept the game. The game is fine to cheer and say what you want to say, but when you're at the airport or going to a restaurant, that's unacceptable.

Amen. Well, what is very acceptable is our gratitude for you, Jason. And we haven't gotten to you being the father of the NAMM triple-double and what the world would have looked like in a three-point world if you had sort of honed that in and had those opportunities back in the OG days. Right.

Man, it's great to have you. I love quoting the great Jerry Garcia said, you don't want to be the best of the best. You want to be the only one that does what you do. And you look at your career and everything you've done across so many different decades. It's a hell of a life you're living and we're looking forward to the future. Thanks for being with us, buddy. Thank you, big dog. Thank you. Thank you, big dog, for having me.

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