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It's Tuesday, June 10th, and here's what's happening right now on CNN This Morning. Protesters detained on buses overnight in Los Angeles. President Trump sends in more guard troops and U.S. Marines. Plus... I can't keep sitting by watching my brothers and sisters getting taken.
Protests are spreading beyond Los Angeles from coast to coast and they are demanding an end to ICE raids. And the showdown between the president and the California governor. Why Gavin Newsom is daring the Trump administration to make good on a threat to arrest him.
It is 6 a.m. here on the East Coast. A live look this morning at the White House. Good morning, everybody. I'm Adi Cornish. I want to thank you for waking up with me. We are going to start with the news overnight about those arrests in Los Angeles. As clashes between police and protesters spill into another day and the demonstrations are now spreading beyond California. Overnight, L.A. police filled up buses with detained protesters who had their hands zip-tied behind their backs.
Officers gave them an ultimatum, go home or get arrested. They also used flashbangs, tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse the crowds. We also saw CNN correspondent Jason Carroll and his crew briefly detained as they covered the protests last night. He was not restrained, but his hands were behind his back. Police ended up escorting them out of the protest zone.
People in cities including New York, Seattle, Atlanta and Dallas took to the streets as well. In San Francisco, police say thousands marched last night in peaceful protests. You've seen videos of people, family being torn apart and, you know, it should break anybody's heart to the point where you want to stand up for those people. President Trump deployed another 2,000 National Guard troops to L.A., plus 700 Marines are now on the way.
California's governor pushed back, saying U.S. Marines serve a valuable purpose for this country, defending democracy. They're not political pawns. I want to bring in CNN law enforcement analyst Jonathan Wackrow. Good morning, Jonathan. Thanks for being with us.
Good morning. As we see these protests spread, you have city leaders who are accusing the Trump administration of escalation, just the act of bringing in more and law enforcement at that level somehow changing things. But do you see that?
Yeah, no, absolutely. I think what we're witnessing right now in L.A. specifically really underscores this delicate balance between federal enforcement authority and ongoing action in maintaining civil order, which today and last night is being upheld by the LAPD and their supporting law enforcement partners.
And this to me really just reinforces how current immigration enforcement operations, not just in LA but across the country, can quickly mobilize protests requiring really tighter operational awareness and situational awareness by local officials in communities that really are sensitive to this ICE activity that is ongoing today and it's going to continue. And Adi, to me,
There's a backdrop here, and the backdrop is this significant political tension between the state, the state of California right now, and the administration. And there's a tough question that is being raised with very competing narratives from the White House and Governor Newsom, is really who is the steward for the preservation of constitutional rights and maintaining the public safety today in L.A.? And we're going to see this expand across the country, is my assessment.
The pretext around this is also about protecting federal property, right? The border czar has defended the president's decision to federalize the National Guard. We know a lot of this broke out around immigration court buildings. Here's an example of what he said.
The military's role is to protect government property and protect our officers, but again, local law enforcement needs to step up and control public safety. And President Trump deployed these people because the state of California, the mayor of San Diego, excuse me, the mayor of Los Angeles and the governor weren't simply acting fast enough.
As you said, this is a complicated moment. People were actively trying to stop ICE, right? They are against these raids. So how do you look at this balance? And are we at a tipping point with the federal government?
Well, Adi, when it comes to protest operations, civil unrest operations from a law enforcement perspective, this is about balance and proportionality. And really what law enforcement's primary role, and again, I'm going to talk about like the LAPD, their primary role remains facilitating the First Amendment rights while ensuring public safety and civil order.
So what the federal government is doing is they're deploying these troops to protect federal facilities. But is that proportionate to what we see going on right now? Is that an escalation? And again, time will tell. But I think that across the country, the mobilization of the National Guard, the Marines in L.A. is really being utilized as a call to action by protesters. It's a trigger or a catalyst.
for further escalation of these protests. It's not proportionate to what we're seeing the issues being raised right now. So again, this is a balance. And to your point, are we at a tipping point? We may be very soon. That's CNN law enforcement analyst Jonathan Wackrow. Thank you.
Thank you, Adi. Coming up on CNN this morning, as the president calls in the Marines to L.A., he's ready to praise military achievements. Today, how has the armed forces, how have they changed under Trump 2.0? Plus, complete vindication. That's what Blake Lively's legal team says about a major win against her former co-star. And California's governor has a message for the Trump administration and what he says next might surprise you.
Get it over with. Arrest me. Move on. If you need some head to scalp, do it with me, but stop messing with these kids.
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I'm Eva Longoria, and I'm exploring Spain and its 17 regions to see how the land and its people have created one of the world's most exciting cuisines. Eva Longoria, searching for Spain, Sunday at 9 on CNN. California Governor Gavin Newsom says he's ready for a fight with the White House as the president deploys more National Guard troops along with hundreds of Marines to L.A. because of the protests there.
Get it over with. Arrest me. Move on. If you need some head to scalp, do it with me, but stop messing with these kids. And here's what President Trump said yesterday about the idea of arresting the California governor. Javid Newsom is, he's daring Tom Homan to come and arrest him. Should he do it? I would do it if I were, I think it's great. Of course, Javid likes to publish to me, but I think it would be a great thing.
The border czar told CNN last night so far Newsom hasn't done anything to warrant an arrest. You can protest if you want. You have that person's right. But when you cross the line of putting your hands on a nice officer, impeding our enforcement operations, annoyingly harboring, concealing, dealing with an alien, that's a crime. But Governor Newsom has not done anything to warrant an arrest in your view right now, correct? I don't see him. Not at this time, absolutely not.
Joining me now in the group chat this morning, Jerusalem Dems' contributing writer at The Atlantic, Chuck Rocha, Democratic strategist and Ashley Davis, former George W. Bush White House official. So I want to come to you, Chuck, first, because we have talked a lot about the idea of immigration overreach not necessarily being some sort of unifying political thing for the multitudes of communities within the Latino vote in the U.S.
This does seem like a remarkable moment where we're seeing Mexican flags, where we are seeing people in the street talking about their communities. If this was about immigration and we were talking about how the system is broken and what ICE is doing right now, this protest would be warranted if it was doing that. But what this plays into, and listen to me, Democrats, right into Donald Trump's hand in the last election already, the Republicans spent $800
$100 million telling the American public that we were being invaded by immigrants from other countries. They made it the central theme of their campaign. This checks all the marks of what Donald Trump wants to be talking about, which is immigration, protest, cops being beat, folks burning cars. This is the chaos that he loves because guess what we're not talking about? We're not talking about the big beautiful bill. We're not talking about 13 million people being kicked off of healthcare.
We're not talking about anything in Washington. We're talking about the sweetest spot of all of his issue sets, which is immigration, law and order, and Los Angeles. And when you throw in Gavin Newsom, it's just a cherry on top for this administration. That's a lot to unpack. Ashley, Jerusalem, what are you thinking hearing that?
I mean, I agree with Chuck 100% on this. I mean, President Trump wants this fight all day long, and especially with Newsom. But it is making Governor Newsom a little bit more relevant today than he was actually a week ago. So that's helpful. I don't know if this public tit-for-tat of
being arrested or not is something that's kind of like a joke more than something serious, in my opinion. But one thing I want to flag is 75 Democrats yesterday voted for a resolution in the House that condemned what happened in Boulder, Colorado with the attacks, anti-Semitic attacks, as well as praises ICE for what they're doing.
And I think that that's an important vote because it shows that some of these Democrats, exactly what Chuck was saying, do understand the importance of law and order and kind of the losing issue that is for Democrats. Jerusalem. Yeah, I mean, before I get into, you know, the second level order political analysis, just looking at the first order question of what's going on here is that the president of the United States is deploying the military, right?
domestically to aid in law enforcement. This is something that is, it's quite an extreme decision to do this and I think it's important to recognize that people who are largely exercising their First Amendment freedoms and the people who are involved who are engaging in violence or property damage,
of course, like local law enforcement should be used to quell that problem. But largely what we want to see our elected officials do is allow that process to play out locally unless an elected official says, hey, I need help. I need the National Guard to come in. The last time a president did something like this was, again, in L.A. in the Rodney King riots. And that's a very, very different situation than what we're seeing right now. So I think it's important to keep
our eyes on the fact that right now the vast majority of people protesting are doing so peacefully. They're exercising their First Amendment rights to push back on something that's gotten more and more unpopular in this regime. Now on the second order question that Chuck raised here about the political ramifications, I think it's really important that protesters who want to raise the salience of the harms that immigrant families are facing
do so peacefully so they don't create the photo ops that Trump is looking for. Part of why he's sending the troops in here, why he's having the military parade in D.C. this weekend, is this focus on law and order is helpful for him politically. So I think if people are trying to draw attention to other causes, they should think carefully about that.
Okay, group chat, I want you guys to stay with me. We're going to talk a little bit more about some of the angles of this, this hour. Okay, it's now 16 minutes past the hour. Here are five things you need to know to get your date going.
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And next on CNN This Morning, President Trump is set to display the military this week in D.C. with a parade. One of his defense secretaries says that it's now more lethal than any other. What's his definition of lethal? Plus, we continue our live coverage from L.A. as we enter a fifth day of protests against immigration raids where things stand this morning.
More lethal, less woke. You hear that a lot from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth when he discusses his vision for the U.S. military. You'll likely hear it again today when he joins President Trump at Fort Bragg Army Base in North Carolina, their goal boosting recruitment ahead of Saturday's big military parade in D.C. Now, the parade will feature dozens of tanks and other vehicles rolling through the streets. Nearly 7000 soldiers will be there. Joining me now to discuss CNN, senior military analyst Admiral James DeFreitas.
Admiral, thank you for being here with us this morning. My pleasure, Rowdy. I want to talk about the changes to the military. I have to come, though, to this idea of the Marines being called into Los Angeles, right? Because this military parade is going to be happening right after this kind of show of force where you're going to have soldiers facing off with American citizens on U.S. soil, potentially. What's significant about this moment? Yeah.
It's very significant. And personally, I wouldn't advise it on the part of the administration. Active duty troops, particularly U.S. Marines, Audi, these are the most experienced, highly blooded shock troops in the world. We use them to take down militias in the Middle East. These are fighters. And boy, you do not want to put them in a position of confronting militias.
largely peaceful demonstrators. It's just not their role. They're not trained for it. And National Guard, we could probably have a discussion about. But putting active duty U.S. Marines into this situation, I think, is dangerous. And they're not well trained for the mission that they're
perhaps they're gonna be thrown into here. - Yeah, you know, a few years ago, former Defense Secretary Mark Esper wrote about a moment he had had with Trump in the White House. This was back during the riots over George Floyd's death. And he suggested bringing in military using force against protesters.
And Esper wrote that we reached that point in the conversation when he looked frankly at General Milley and said, can't you just shoot them in the legs or something? And it was not just a question in the form, he's saying, of a question. It was more of a suggestion. And he said, Esper said, we were all just taken back at that moment as this issue just hung very heavily in the air. I thought back to this almost immediately heading into this week. Is this now something hanging in the air?
Absolutely. And we'll do a little Latin lesson this morning. It's passe comitatus. It's a Latin term for not using active duty military for civilian law enforcement purposes.
The founding fathers hated that idea. That's what, by the way, led to the start of the American Revolution when British shock troops shot down American protesters in Boston. So we've got a long, bad history here.
the idea of doing that would violate that passe commentatus law. There is a narrow exception, and that's to be used in the case of an actual insurrection or invasion. Nothing I've seen in Los Angeles remotely rises to that. Therefore, active duty troops should not be involved in this.
Now, we've got this military parade coming up to celebrate a major anniversary for the armed forces, something to be celebrated. It's actually quite unusual to have a major military parade in the heart of the Capitol, as you and I have discussed earlier. Does this affect how that's seen for the public, right? Instead of celebrating the military more generally, it's Trump's birthday, and now you've got the Marines being called in against demonstrators.
For me, it's a negative split screen moment. Let's start with the parade in Washington. You're correct. The United States typically does not do this kind of big national capital parade, the hardware through the downtown type of thing that you see North Korea do. Russia does it routinely.
France does it, one of our allies. It's not something we do because it consumes a lot of resources. It's very expensive. It takes away a nice weekend from thousands of troops who are going to have to rehearse and march along. And above all, I think the American military has an ethos that
We're pretty good at what we do. We don't need to show it to you by parading tanks through the downtown. Now we get to the split screen. You're doing this pretty unusual visual of tanks rolling through our capital and across the country in Los Angeles, you putting U.S. Marines, as we talked earlier, the best combat shock troops in the world, except US.
problem. They're being deployed against, again, largely peaceful protesters. I think that's a troubling split screen. It'll be difficult, appropriately difficult for the American people to digest what they're looking at. That's CNN senior military analyst, Admiral James DeVritas. Thank you so much.
You bet, Howdy. Straight ahead on CNN This Morning, California is now suing the Trump administration over deploying those troops to L.A. without the governor's sign-off. Do they have a case? Plus, what is an insurrection, the internal battle at the White House over how to define the protests?
After days of immigration protests in L.A., cities across the country from New York to Texas now seeing their own rallies. Good morning, everybody. I'm Adi Cornish. I want to thank you for joining me on CNN this morning. It's now half past the hour on the East Coast, and here's what's happening right now.
Several protesters in Los Angeles have been detained with their hands bound in zip ties and loaded on buses. Law enforcement was pushing people back from the federal building overnight. Now hundreds of Marines are on the way after the president deployed them yesterday.
Overnight, Russia launched a new drone attack on Ukraine. A large number of strikes reached the capital of Kyiv and the southern port city of Odessa, where Ukraine says a maternity ward was damaged. This comes one day after the biggest drone strike on Ukraine since the beginning of the war. And right now, trade talks between the US and China are underway for a second day. It began about an hour ago, and we've learned so far things are going well.
And we are following breaking news out of Austria, where officials say eight people have been killed in a shooting at a high school there. We're going to go straight to CNN's Fred Plankton, who is following the story. Fred, what are you learning so far?
Hi, Adi. Well, this is still very much a developing story and something that only happened a couple of hours ago. In fact, the Austrian police on the ground there in Graz, which is in the southern part of Austria, said they got the first call around 10 a.m. local time, which is 4 a.m. Eastern time, saying shots had been fired at this high school. Now, the police are now saying that they are confirming that eight people have been killed, among them children between
the ages of 14 and 18. There was also one report by the mayor of the city that apparently a teacher had been killed as well, but the police have not confirmed that yet. They also say that as of right now, there is no more danger because the shooter is also dead. He's not among those eight
killed, but he is also apparently dead. And that's why the police says that right now they don't believe that there's further danger to other people on the ground there. However, one of the things that was seen there on the ground is a lot of people being evacuated from that school and also people who apparently were wounded as well being taken to hospitals. And the latest that we're getting is that the hospitals there are overwhelmed because this is obviously a mass casualty event, Dottie. Fred Pleikin, thank you so much.
Now, the Justice Department says it has nine open cases related to the clashes between protesters and law enforcement in California. Attorney General Pam Bondi says one of those cases involves a masked man accused of throwing rocks at federal officers. She says they've identified him and searched his home. The administration says it will take a hard line with demonstrators.
We can prosecute federally people who assault state law enforcement officers with a maximum of five years in prison, and we are going to do it. If you assault a police officer, if you rob a store, if you loot, if you spit on a police officer, we're coming after you.
Bondi did not specify whether any charges have been brought. This comes as California is actually suing the administration for sending National Guard troops to L.A. Joining me now to help explain, Elise Adamson, former federal prosecutor. Elise, good to talk to you this morning.
Good morning, Ani. Thanks for having me. So let's talk about the very premise of this suit, because I can imagine there have been times in past history where local governments, say during the civil rights period, did not want the federal government sending troops to their state. So what is the jurisdictional question here? What is California asking?
That's right. So I think you're referring to 1965, of course, where the federal government sent troops over the objection of a Democratic governor who did not want to protect peaceful civil rights marchers. That would be Martin Luther King as they did their famous march. This is very different than that, right? And we just need to be clear that the similarity there is that it was it was it was invoked at
the objection of the sitting governor. But here, what we're talking about is a demonstration of force against largely peaceful protests. So Governor Newsom had already made clear to the government that California had the situation under control. And as the previous reporting earlier, Adi, on the show,
Usually civil law enforcement powers are reserved to the state and they are not reserved to the military. That is counter to the founding principles of our constitution and our country. So Governor Newsom had told the Trump administration they didn't need that. So what he has done is rightfully initiated a lawsuit because fighting this in a court of law is the appropriate venue. And the lawsuit simply says this.
Look, we don't need the help. We have the situation under control. Yes, there is discrete incidents of violence, but that's why we have the Los Angeles Police Department. And this is an unconstitutional power grab that is infringing on the sovereign space of the states.
Furthermore, the lawsuit also goes on to say that the statutory elements for when a president has the authority to invoke the statute have simply not been met. There's no invasion, there's no rebellion, and that the government is not having trouble enforcing the laws of the United States. So that's a long answer, but I think it is very important to contextualize both what is happening and why Governor Newsom feels like this invocation is inappropriate given what we are seeing on the ground.
So that's at the state level. I want to give an example of a protest from the lower level. David Huerta, the union leader, I believe SEIU, his arrest gained national attention. He's now out on bond after he was arrested Friday for rallying protesters. But here's what he said after his release. I don't know what they have in store for me. I imagine at this point in time, I am their project and they're going to put me as their example of what happens.
But I'm prepared to take on that jury and I'm prepared to face that. He's charged with conspiring to impede an officer. This comes after the arrest of Judge of Wisconsin. What he is saying is he's being prepared to be targeted. Can you talk about that in light of the changes that Pambandi has made at the Justice Department? I mean, this is a tough situation, Adi. And I'm going to talk to the audience for the perspective of a prosecutor, which is,
If an individual truly, and this is the important part, right, truly has impeded a law enforcement officer, that being resisting, pushing, maybe throwing things at a law enforcement officer, that is a crime. And I think that is where myself and the attorney general agree. We saw it in Jan 6th.
You cannot assault police officers. That being said, when we talk about targeting, I think what Mr. Hurtado was saying was that he is going to be used as a poster child. He's going to be used as an example. What we are seeing from this department, we are seeing weaponization. The very thing that they came in and said that they want to ferret out, they are...
to making examples of people. We have the congresswoman from New Jersey who was arrested at the ICE facility. Again, the allegations are that she physically put her hands on an ICE agent. That is why we have due process. She is going to go to court and she will be able to mount a defense to that if she did not do it. But I think the overarching message here is that
People are being used as an example for the government to show their strength and to kind of tamp down these protests by saying, we will prosecute you to the full extent of the law. And so we just need to make sure that those prosecutions are righteous and they are not indeed weaponization, as it appears some of them might be.
Right, as they fall on many leaders in these various communities. Elise Adamson, former federal prosecutor, host of the At Least You Heard It podcast. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, we're going to talk more about that word insurrection. We're hearing it
fairly often from the Trump administration. Merriam-Webster defines it as an actor, instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government. So we want to talk about how this is being applied to what's happening in Los Angeles. President Trump has referred to the protesters as professional agitators and insurrectionists. On Monday, he was asked to clarify his position.
- I wouldn't call it quite an insurrection, but it could have led to an insurrection. I mean, that was a serious, that was a lot of, that was a lot of harm that was going on last night. I watched it very closely. - The group chat is back. Guys, this feels like one of those words that's lost all meaning, but originally it came into the mainstream consciousness around January 6th, specifically because this, the riots that happened then, the protests that happened then happened at the Capitol building
on the day that the government was certifying the election, right? Literally involving a political process. Ashley, I need to start with you just 'cause you kind of understand the world of Homeland Security. Why are they raising it here? What is it that they think is gonna connect these protests to insurrection?
Well, I think the reason they're saying that is why they're justifying taking in the National Guard or now the Marines. And that's because the destruction that happened started four days ago was around the ICE buildings. And I do want to make sure that everyone doesn't lose sight on why this did start four days ago. There were 40 people that were arrested and all of them had
pretty bad criminal record. So it was an interesting way for this to start because there were a lot of other stories that could have happened that maybe weren't as, the people weren't as bad as the ones that were arrested here. And I think that we're losing sight of that.
But on the other side, what Homeland Security is doing right now really is, and what the department's doing, is coordinating the state and local activity with the federal government. But Ashley, just to interrupt for a second, is all violence insurrection?
No, I don't think so. Absolutely not. I think the reason they're saying this just like January 6th was because of the federal government, because of the federal buildings. Okay. Jerusalem, Chuck, how are you hearing or seeing, when you hear that word come up, what are you thinking? Yeah, I mean, I have...
- I have a serious problem, obviously, with invoking that word so casually, as the Trump administration, particularly Stephen Miller, has been doing repeatedly in connection to what's going on. It's not an insurrection to protest
s laws and uh... rules and procedures that you disagree with having a political voice is not insurrection uh... it's only an insurrection when you are trying to overthrow the government or acting in a way that would root group that would make it more difficult for the government and to do it duly politically uh... aligned duties and that's not just
trying to block the police from acting in ways you disagree with, that would mean civil rights protesters were all insurrectionists. It would mean folks who are protesting both on the right or the left when it comes to public health guidelines during COVID-19. Are those people insurrectionists too? Unless you get to the point where you're trying to kidnap the governor of Michigan, that would be maybe something that would rise to the question of illegality, of course. But I think it's important to realize what's going on here
is there there's an attempt going on right now to cast all forms of disorder whether they're politically valid whether they have uh there are they're using democratic societies all the time to to include public voice as insurrection that's really really dangerous in my view chuck can you talk about then the context for republican for democrats
And a quote unquote response. We hear a lot of Democrats saying, look, this is not appropriate. We even heard the SEIU leader when he came out saying violence is not what is the goal here. And so what does it mean to protest when this is going on? What does it mean to be opposition when you have this kind of activity on the streets?
I think it's important to let the American people know of the overreach. We're not used to seeing military in our streets because of immigration policies. Folks know, again, I went back to what I said when we started this segment in the top of the hour, $800 million spent telling the American people that we were being invaded. This goes back to your question about what's the definition of this word. The Donald Trump administration wants this fight. They want it to look like an insurrection. They want people to think we're at war.
And sometimes when you see images of cars on fire and what we're showing on your screen right now, you're showing one tenth of all the people. Most of the folks there are peacefully protesting what they disagree with, which is our right as Americans. But you have a small group of people who just want to be on camera and on social media burning up cars. And that's what the American people and this is what I caution Democrats on. You should protest. You should stand up and fight back against your government when they think they're doing something wrong. But there is a professional class of activists out there who don't care about voting or
or immigrants or nothing else, you're gonna get all the attention and it's gonna hurt Democrats at the end of the day. - We're actually gonna talk about more of that later this hour. Chuck, thanks for bringing it up. Guru Chat, please stay with us. After the break on CNN this morning, a narrative that seems to pop up every time protests break out are demonstrators being paid to cause trouble. Plus, sweeping raids, mass deportation, sowing doubt in communities across the country, a former Homeland Security official weighs in on how trust can be repaired.
Let's be clear, this is not about safety. This is not about law and order. This is about fear. It is about control. And it is about scaring our communities out of existence. We want ICE out of our city. We want the federal government out of our city. And we are going to say shame every single time someone comes through here that's trying to take away our people.
As tensions rise between local leaders and federal immigration officials, the casualty in all this? Trust. Trust between law enforcement, emergency services, and the communities that they serve. USA Today reports that ICE raids contributed to attendance problems for school districts across the country, as some students stayed home from school this year, not because they were sick, but out of fear.
With no sign that immigration enforcement's slowing down, what can we do about that trust? Joining me now is Phyllis Coven, former US Citizenship and Immigration Services official. Phyllis, you have worked and served at every kind of level of this system. Can you talk about what you're seeing when you look out at these protests and, for instance, see Mexican flags, or you hear people talk about who's on the street?
Well, I think it's important. I think when we see all the images on the TV and no one is condoning the violence that we see, violence against the immigrants, violence against the citizens and the protesters or the police, that's for sure. But when we see all those very graphic images, it's easy to get confused.
That it is not immigrants that are protesting there and creating that kind of chaos. That's members of the community who feel betrayed by the administration because of the nature of the enforcement activities that have been going on.
The immigration enforcement that was going on was equally chaotic, but we haven't really seen the results of that, whether or not it was effective enforcement. You know, enforcement is based on principles, on proportionality, on accountability. And I think what the community is concerned about is in doing these broad sweeps of the immigrants,
that they're not seeing that kind of care and consideration taken. We don't know, you know, what the results were of the raids in L.A., really. Yeah. One thing the mayor says, Mayor Karen Bass, is that the result was in some way fear and terror for people in the community. Here's what she had to say. Let's see if we have that.
She talks about this level in fear among Angelenos right now. And I think what you hear conservative voices saying is that, look, if these states and local leaders had been doing their jobs and deporting people when it was appropriate, this situation wouldn't be happening now. What's your response to that kind of having worked in the system?
Well, my response to that is that fear seems to be the primary law enforcement tool that the administration is using. They're creating tremendous fear.
And it's very sad also to see the sort of the pictures of the federal buildings in these shots. Federal buildings should represent safety, not fear. They're places that should be based on principle. People should feel dignified and prideful when they go into them. And who, if you were an immigrant right now, would approach them now? I think, you know, we have to remember that President Trump's
campaign was about illegal immigration and about the bad hombres and about
moving the worst of the worst. I don't think those were the folks that were hanging out at Home Depot, right? I think those were folks that were looking for work. So the, and certainly not the actions that have been taken against children that we hear about throughout the country. So I think that whereas there seemed to be very much support for
for the notion of mass deportations. Anyone who really knows about the immigration business knows that mass deportations is not viable. It's not executable. And certainly as it's playing out right now. Phyllis Coven is a former U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services official. I want to thank you for being here. Appreciate your time. Thank you.
Now, since those protests began in L.A. on Friday, we've seen the demonstrations start out peaceful during the day, turn violent at night. The Trump administration says they, quote, absolutely have evidence that groups are being paid to cause trouble.
These are organized. These are people that are being paid to do this. You can follow how they behave, the signals they give to each other in these crowds and these protests to instigate violence. This is an operation and it's professionally done. They've done it before and we're going to stop it and make sure that we prosecute every single one of them.
CNN has reached out to the Department of Homeland Security for detail on Noem's claims. The group chat is back. We heard this kind of framing of protests, certainly in Minneapolis in 2020 following the murder of George Floyd. We hear it not infrequently when there are protests. How are you hearing this now, Jerusalem? I'm going to come to you because you talked about opposition earlier.
Yeah, I mean, this again, the reason why you want to cast your opponents in a political battle as professional is because you want to deny the Democratic legitimacy of the anger they're expressing. If you accept that there are a bunch of people in this country who are upset about how mass deportations are being carried out, even if they have problems with how immigration policy was happening under Biden, the fact that these mass deportations have been disrupted
and disrupted communities is indisputable as a result on the goal of the administration right now is to try and cast this as professional as not really likes but you know a democratic not coming here people and importantly it's pretextual in many ways to start invalidating the actual on voice of the people who are protesting right now actually did it so when i give a
word to you in our short time. What are you looking forward to or thinking about as these protests continue and we head into this military parade? Yeah, I think my biggest concern is that this starts spreading. I mean, obviously you saw smaller ones spreading in Dallas. You saw them, you know, a couple in New York. I mean, that's what makes me nervous the most is that they will continue to spread throughout the country and this becomes a serious problem. Chuck, to you, last minute.
I'm worried somebody's going to get hurt. I think somebody's going to get hurt bad. I think somebody oversteps. I think somebody in a military uniform mistakenly fires off around. And I think it just leads to a whole bunch of things that Ashley's talking about, which is protests around the country where good intention folks are doing the right thing. But you have troublemakers who just want a bunch of trouble, just like Donald Trump.
The one thing I'll just say there, though, is that the protests are not the problem. Protests spreading across the country is Democratic voice. I agree that I'm concerned about violence spreading, but I want us to keep our eye on what is actually permissible from the First Amendment perspective. Well, people are going to be talking about this more. There are actually organized protests that are set for this weekend ahead of that military parade from Indivisible and others. I want to thank you all for talking with me today, and thank you for watching.
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