A Response to Mark Levin
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What's up? What's up, gang? Hope everybody's doing well. Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I'm Dave Smith. He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. Thank you for joining us a little bit earlier than normal. Yeah. How are you doing today, Rob? I am doing well. And you got a busy day. You got all sorts of shows lined up.

I do. Well, I filled in for Sagar and Jetty this morning on Breaking Points. Oh, that already happened. And co-hosted it with Crystal Ball. You already had a full day. Yeah, I did that first thing in the morning. They're a morning show. But, you know, I'm up early anyway, so these days... I'm not naturally a morning person, but these kids, they really force you to be. But it was a lot of fun. I think that should be, as you guys are listening now, that should be up. They usually put it up...

I think on their site first, like much like kind of the way we do it, they put it up on their site and then it's out on YouTube later, but it was really fun. I really, really enjoyed it. So yeah, go check that out. And then of course tomorrow is the big debate.

So I will be debating at the Soho Forum. I'm making my return to the Soho Forum, which was my, you know, kind of feels like a homecoming. I miss those guys. So looking forward to that. Of course, Robbie the Fire Bernstein will be there opening up the show with some comedy. So some comedy, a debate, and then an after party over at Gene Epstein's place. So looking forward to that.

And then, Rob, you go. And, of course, Porch Store dates, everybody. Yeah. Check out the Run Your Mouth podcast and, of course, PorchStore.com this weekend in D.C., Jersey, and Virginia Beach. Come hang out. And then next weekend, a bunch of Texas dates. And if you go to PorchStore.com, I am everywhere this summer. You name a city, I'm probably visiting it. So go to PorchStore.com and grab those tickets.

Hell yeah. Go see. And I have consistently heard nothing but great things about the porch tour. So make sure you go on out to one of those if they're near you. And then, of course, me and Rob will also be on tour together. Comic Dave Smith dot com for all of those ticket lengths. Our next stop is Salt Lake City in Utah. Party in with the Mormons where they they.

But they mess with you. Don't they mess with the beer there or something like that? Right, Rob? Doesn't the beer have less alcohol in it? Yep. They have lower DUI limits and their typical beers, I think like a Budweiser is 5% and there it's like 4.2 or something stupid like that.

It's you're just making me drink more beer, Utah. It's not, I think you can get normal beers, but it's like your typical Budweiser, your typical Miller light, all of that's been downgraded just a little bit for no reason.

I was talking to a guy. And all those moms are popping pills anyway. So how's that working out for you? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's all ridiculous. But, yeah, listen, we like the Mormons. But it's the alcohol thing we really got to talk about. I was talking to this guy who owns like a couple dispensaries, right?

out here in in jersey and i thought i don't know it was interesting he was telling me this so i didn't know this but evidently in like in new york you can sell uh edibles that like whatever dosage you know you can get like

10 milligrams or 50 milligrams or 100 milligrams or whatever the thc count in it is but in jersey it's legal you could have the businesses but you can only sell 10 milligram uh edibles you can't sell any more than that and so i you know he was telling me this is like the rule in jersey that of course my i thought kind of obvious follow-up question i was like but

can't people just eat more of the gummies and he was like oh yeah no that's what everybody does and then it was just like a great little example of like government rules and how stupid they are but so he goes uh he goes oh my father is on uh is on chemo he goes and the gummies really help him like they really help with his appetite and his sleep um and just like not feeling so shitty and uh he goes but he's also diabetic and now he's got to eat five of these gummies

instead of one of them. So he's still doing it. He's still eating the 50 milligrams. Anyway, I don't know. It's just like, for some reason, it reminded me of that with the lowering the alcohol level in beer. Like, it's like,

Is someone who has a problem just going to be like, ah, too bad. I really would have liked a little bit more alcohol, but they only put so much in beer. You're just going to have another beer. You're just making people fatter. That's what all of this does. It just makes people fatter and equally as impaired as they otherwise would be. But, you know.

Government's bad at everything. Okay. So for today's episode, I did think it made sense to get into this. You know, it's we...

I guess I've been doing more like response episodes lately than we typically do. But I do think they're kind of necessary and they seem to get very good numbers. So, you know, whatever. I don't know if this one's going to be quite as juicy as some of the other characters, but yeah.

Mark Levin did go off partially on me. I think it was more on Tucker Carlson, but you know, it's Jewish anti-Semites. Yes. It's a real problem. I am the Jewish face of anti-Semitism or whatever. I've taken the Larry elders title and morphed it a little bit, but it's kind of hard. Number one, I mean, the, the, the,

I'm responding to people who are influential people and they're talking about issues that are, you know, the issues that we talk about. And I guess just because over the last, you know, month, my profile has been a bit higher than it ever has before. It's just been more often the case that I personally am involved in this. But it's...

It's really not, you know, and I mean this, it's really, it's not about me. It's about the, what matters. It's about the argument that's being made here. And it has been, it's just, it's been interesting. You know, I was a guy who became, you know, obsessed with politics about 20 years ago and, and,

You know, it's, it's, uh, I I've seen some people say over the last, uh, month or so that, uh, you know, people be like this Dave Smith guy came out of nowhere. Um, which is I'm sure true from their perspective, but it is a little bit different from my perspective. Like 20 years doesn't feel like out of nowhere, but if you could try to imagine it from my perspective, it's kind of, it's a little bizarre when you've got these people who were like,

huge figures now coming after me, you know, all these years later, like it's a little surreal, but it's also been, you know, I think I've talked about this dynamic in the past. And I really felt it when I debated Dennis Prager. I remember going into that debate

And, you know, I debated a bunch of people on Israel already at the point, but I debated like Laura Loomer and Austin Peterson and these people who were like, they just don't really know anything. They're not readers, you know, and they're like, it was just kind of like my depth of knowledge on the issue just far surpassed theirs. And that's just very clear to anyone who watches the debate. And

When I was debating Dennis Prager, I just kind of felt this pressure. Like, I was like, this guy, I've been watching this guy on TV since I was a kid. I remember watching him on Politically Incorrect, Bill Maher's old show, where I must have been like 16 years old or something like that. The guy has been doing a radio show since I was born.

like he's my entire life and this is his number one issue as i remember feeling this pressure going into the debate like okay i gotta really i better be on point i'm i'm debating a guy who's been doing this my entire life and i'm debating him on his number one issue you know and then like right as the debate started it was during his opening statement i was just like oh and i had this realization and then i was just calm

for the rest of the thing. And the realization was just simply that he had nothing.

Like, I just couldn't even believe it. It was like, oh, he actually, he has nothing. He has no argument to protect, to present. And of course, the same has been true in all the big debates since then. I'm just kind of blown away by how much, oh, they don't actually have an argument. And that was kind of how I felt as this happened. But anyway, Mark Levin, I guess, still has a radio show. And I'm sure there are a decent amount of 80-year-olds who still listen to it.

But I don't know. You've, I'm sure, known who Mark Levin is over the years, Rob, right? So I used to very occasionally listen to Mark Levin on the radio. And I mean, very occasionally. We're talking about in the years where I was not following politics, but every once in a while I'd be bored on the radio. Happens to be in the car, I think, at 7 p.m.,

And the first 10 minutes of Mark Levin, before he started taking calls, he had something interesting to say. It was usually rooted in his constitutional analysis, and I just thought his voice was hilarious. Like, if I was doing a cartoon where you're supposed to turn on the radio and hear someone screaming about war, that's the voice I would cast. And it was always a constant, and Mr. President, it's an outrage, and rah, rah, rah, rah, rah.

That's just the voice that should be coming out of your radio pitching to you that the president's ruining the country and we need to be fighting a war.

It's like if you had to draw a picture of who that guy should be and create a voice of who it would be that voice. Anyway, Mark Levin has been a longtime right wing radio talk radio host, has a show on Fox News. He's kind of he's one of the biggest, you know, right wing radio guys. And for a long time, obviously, Rush Limbaugh was always the biggest guy.

And him and Hannity, I think we're fighting it out for like the number two spot in right-wing radio for a long time. But for a long time, this is kind of forgotten now, but right-wing radio was very,

the only game in town for critics of liberals. And then obviously Fox News blew up, but that was, it was kind of like the, you know, these terms, they kind of sound like dinosaur artifacts or something now, but like, you know, the liberal media. And so, which was true, but it wasn't just the news. It was everything.

Like all, all TV and movies were made in New York or LA. And so they always inherently just reflected a kind of cultural political bias. You know, if you like grew up around my age, like I'm 42, when you grew up, the, the, even the big shows like things outside of, of politics, but like

Seinfeld or Friends or something like that. It was all of the characters. There was no religious person. No one ever believed in God. There was never a thing about... No one went to church.

No one went to temple. Like they all had sex out of wedlock. They all, you know what I'm saying? Like it was just like culturally speaking, it was not a conservative world. It was a very secular liberal world. And so right wing radio became kind of like the thing that they had.

That was one of their very few outlets. And so he was one of the big guys in that and is still around. I don't know. I don't know, like, what his ratings are these days, but it's not, I'm sure, what it used to be. But anyway, he's a part of that kind of neocon war hawk. He's a George W. Bush conservative and, of course, staunchly pro-Israel. And shockingly, yeah.

Not a huge fan of me. Never saw that coming. Okay. Anyway, let's get into this and respond to a little bit of our boy here, Mark LeBent.

Now broadcasting from the underground command post, deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building, we've once again made contact with our leader, Mark Levin. All right, can you pause it already for a second? I didn't even realize this is in here. Man, how much did podcasts just expose how stupid radio is?

isn't it just dumb you know you really don't need any of that i remember that intro from 20 years ago that's funny that it's still going that is something it's always why was there in radio first of all i i know like i've done radio a lot over the years like at serious uh uh studios and stuff and it is first of all it's always it's so short there's commercials all the time you just talk for like a few minutes and then they're like okay take a break and then there's always this like

we're back in the kitchen. Like, why? Why? You're just cutting into our time. No one tunes in to listen to that. Okay, I'm sorry. I shouldn't do this. Let's keep playing. America, Mark Levin here. Our number, 877-381-3811. 877-381-3811. I want to thank you for being here. Greatest audience of all audiences. Now I'm here five days a week, three hours a day, Mr. Producer.

Five days a week, three hours a day. And that's just on radio. So a schmuck picks a fight with me. Doesn't call me. He's got this sidekick, sort of a... I don't even know who this guy Smith is. Or was his guest. He's not like an Ed McMahon figure or something? I don't know why all these big-time smart hosts always have to have a sidekick or a guest. I guess that's what they need. Neoconservatives, ladies and gentlemen, as I was briefly stating, these were mostly...

It is sort of a nebulous term, or was, but you can see it would be like the weekly standard where Chatsworth Osborne Jr. actually worked with his good friend Bill Kristol. Didn't they find texts or something where he called Trump a dumb F to Mr. President? Something like that. If I'm wrong, Chatsburn, you can put a footnote on that one. But he thinks he runs foreign policy in America. Anybody who disagrees with him has to be smeared.

And he brings in these brilliant experts who rewrite World War II and the Holocaust, economists who know history, and apparently comedians who nobody's ever heard of. Certainly I haven't. But that's okay. That's his gig. He can do whatever he wants. All right. Let's pause it already for a second. I don't even know. Do you get my point about how shocking it is how they all have nothing?

Like, just what is this? This is just unbelievable to me to watch. It's like all that is like, yeah, I get it. No, I know. Listen, I think it's ridiculous, too. I know it's ridiculous that I'm just some comedian who you've never heard of. And yet I'm better at this than all of you.

It's insane. I also think it's crazy. Now that we're over that, can you take on anything I said? Can you take on one argument? Why is it necessary every time for this constant poisoning of the well? I don't even know who this guy is. And then he has the nerve to start this off by saying anyone who disagrees with you on foreign policy needs to be smeared. Well, what exactly are you doing? What is this?

What is it necessary to open up with a, I guess a comedian knows about history and I don't even know his name. I don't even know who he is. Like, okay.

All right. It's like they all have to pretend to not be able to remember the simplest name in the fucking world. Like every one of them, not one of you can get Dave right. Like not one of you can figure out Dave. It's a biblical name, Mark Levin. It's a pretty common one. The last one is, my last name is a little bit tricky. It's hard to pronounce, but it is just so, isn't it kind of like,

I don't know. It's very it's revealing in a sense. I mean, I've had so many of them now who have done this. They all by the way, they're all smearing me simply because I disagree with them on foreign policy. That is the bottom. If I didn't. Let's get real here. Mark Levin, Mr. Constitutional conservative. If I saw eye to eye with you on war, you'd have nothing but great things to say about me.

that's the truth because you know it's it's the whatever it's this like dumb most pathetic game and it's it is like there's something that's um there's like an irony or something where

I'm the comedian podcaster, right? So like, you're essentially the whole point. What is always the point is like, we're the professional people who talk about wars and cheerlead all of them. You're just some comedian podcaster. The argument being like that we're the serious professional people. You're like the class clown type character. And yet every single time,

I'm attempting to present arguments backed up by historical facts with sources and they are playing mean girl games. Like it's the gayest shit I've ever seen in my life. They argue like 16 year old girls.

I just couldn't imagine ever showing up to any type of political debate or takedown or whatever you want to call this. And starting with no one even knows yet. We don't even know your name. I don't even know your name. What is it? Some comedian? I mean, who even needs a sidekick? Why can't you just do it yourself?

it's like sidekick it's it was an interview interview is this like some this is some novel like idea i i don't know anyway robin what i i'm sorry if there's not much substance here but what can i what did he give me to contend with but isn't it just something it's just interesting how it always goes the same way and if you got three hours to fill with no sidekick you can always replace it with long pauses

Also, you don't, by the way, you don't have three hours to fill. That's the other comment I was making at the beginning of it. You don't have three hours to fill. You have commercials. Then it comes in. You have that, that, you know, sound graphic thing. And you take two hours of calls. It's literally 30 minutes of Mark Levin up front, if even. And by the way, I forgot about calm Mark Levin. I only like, I only like yelling Mark Levin when he's, this is, this is the calm Mark Levin. That's not my impression.

It always, that's, that's right. It always, it's, it's one or the other. He goes two speeds, you know, slow you down or, or jerk fast. But he's yeah, it's like, no, you don't talk for three hours. You probably spend 20 minutes saying the phone number.

You know, they do that constantly in radio. They have to keep telling you the number over and over and over again. So anyway, whatever. And as you've already demonstrated, you fill a lot of it with fluff and zero substance. But OK, let's keep playing. Oh, his platform. Is it subscription rich? I don't know. It is. So he needs to have hits. He needs subscribers. That's all well and good. I believe in capitalism, too. But that said, reading is fundamental. We have this site, Mediaite, which is really a low life bunch of morons.

And quote me on that. Will you for once, mediaite? Low-luck bunch of morons. Pre-ubescent, low-IQ individuals who actually don't produce any substance, but take the words of other people, slap headlines on them, and in many cases, twist them out of context. So the other day, they said I called the envoy. Let's pause it right here, because he's about to get into it. Obviously, me and Tucker talked about his comments about Witkoff on the show. But I...

I will say this, I just, I found this to be hilarious. What he's saying about Mediate, and I don't, I'm not like a very regular, you know, a few times I've clicked on their videos and, you know, like they're one of the sites that's out there. He's right that they're an aggregate, like they just take content from other things and then run, like it's not really a story. They're just kind of like, story, Tucker Carlson said this on his podcast, right?

And you're like, you could just go to the podcast. Like you don't really need it, but that's their, their business model.

Without any comment on that business model, I just found it hilarious that Mediate ran this. Like, I thought that was the ultimate response. Mediate just did it again with this content. It's like, no matter how much you try to fight them, they're like, ah, great article right there. So just post this video. This is why I saw it. It was from Mediate. Or you sent it to me, Rob, actually, at first, but it was a Mediate.

Anyway, I just thought that was kind of funny. Okay, let's get into the substance here. - Twist them out of context. So the other day they said I called the envoy a traitor in the title. And then in the body of the piece they said he called him, he essentially called him a traitor. I never called him a traitor. I know how to say traitor. I know how to write traitor. So in comes Chatworth Hosborne Jr.

And hold on, I gotta find exactly what I wrote here. I should ask him, 'cause he wrote it down. He thought it was so important. Oh, speaking of the envoy who talked about the neocon element, and I'm guessing he used that phrase 'cause he has no idea what it means. You see, all the neoconservatives are dead. They were old-time Democrats who abandoned the Democrat Party and were hawks when it came to foreign policy. And many of them were quite brilliant. Scoop Jackson.

Patrick Moynihan, Gene Kirkpatrick. And as I said, Chatsworth Osborne Jr. was of that ilk or part of that ilk as a senior writer, maybe even an editor at the non-existent now Crystal magazine. Fox News' Mark Levin ripped Witkoff, you see, called him a traitor. I never called him a traitor. In fact, I never would call him a traitor.

But he posts this, and then I posted this. By the way, neocon is a pejorative for Jew. Unbelievable. You see, all the neocons are gone. So why do they keep using the word neoconservative? Notice they don't use hawk, interventionist, neocon. Why do they keep saying neocon? Because many of the neoconservatives were old-time left-wing Democrat Jews. Can we just pause here for a second? Sure. Chatsworth knows it.

you see this to me is i i oh all right i'm i'm gonna be the gay jew on this one and sorry this to me is dangerous for jews because when you say a neocon you're concerned you're criticizing the idea of pro-war individuals

And now you could probably get into the history better than I can of who were the neocons and the damage that they've done to this country. I'm not as intelligent. I don't know the history. You say the word neocon, and I'm thinking of the largely conservative individuals who are always looking for and preaching for war.

There is no affiliation to Jewish people when I hear that word. That's not what people are criticizing. If they wanted to criticize, hey, there's an issue with Jewish people, then they're jumping into anti-Semitism. And now you're saying Jews. And that's not even necessarily an affiliation with war. You could say all of these Jews were pitching war. When you say the word neocon, you're conveying one thing, which is I –

I'm actually just calling them the title of the group of people that are very pro-war and advocate for war. And that almost became an insult to people of, oh, you're just a neocon because they were so wrong and they led us to so many disastrous wars that it almost becomes embarrassing to have the title neocon because now you're easily dismissed and being within this category that was so drastically wrong on so many things and just likes war.

But when you say the word neocon, it has zero affiliation with Jewish people until someone like Mark Levin steps in and goes, oh, the Jews are so highly affiliated with being pro-war in this country. Then when you say neocon, you're actually trying – no one had this affiliation before.

until I'm hearing it introduced here. And now you're actually actively affiliating Jewish ideas and Jewish people with the horrible war machine of our country that people are actually trying to criticize.

Right. Well, okay. So that, I think that's exactly right. I also, he's also just wrong when he says all the neocons are dead. It's the actual anti-Semitism thing. He's trying to hide behind, he's trying to hide behind not having an argument for his ideas and instead dismissing people that want to criticize the actual ideas of being pro-war as, oh, you're just being anti-Semitic or, or you're just being anti-Jew, which then allows him to not actually have an argument over the issues that

that he's probably wrong about but would like to preach to you. Right, exactly. So just to be clear here, because this is something that's quite funny about it, right? Like this was...

you know, in my debate with Douglas Murray, as many of you saw, at one point, I said something about neoconservatives. And he said, ah, the N word. And then what are they like, he wrote a book called neoconservatism, why we need it. So this is not, you know, how there are like terms like, I never liked this one, I never used it. But do you remember the branch covidians? Was

Was a term that people used. It was a term for the COVID insane lockdown. The reason I didn't like the term because like the Branch Davidians weren't the bad guys in that story. I didn't like, you know what I'm saying? Like the bad guys were the ATF and the FBI, not the Davidians. Anyway, but you'd kind of come up with a term for like, say, the people who wanted to lock down the

the country. And then you use that as a pejorative because they were wrong about everything. And it had a disastrous consequence when their policy was implemented. This is something different. This is their term. This is what they called themselves. They self-identified as neoconservatives. Okay. And they wrote, um, uh, they wrote books and books and books and

articles and they had think tanks and this is what they called themselves now when he says the old neocons the neocons are all dead um no the first generation of them are dead those guys really did not get much political power almost all of the neoconservatives are still alive now

It is true that, like, for example, like Irving Kristol is dead, but Bill Kristol is still alive. Norman Podhoretz is dead, but John Podhoretz is still alive. And calling Thomas Massey anti-Semitic filth for saying we're $36 trillion in debt, we can't afford to fund Israel's war.

But look, it is true that somewhere along the line, neoconservative just kind of became a pejorative for war hawks. It's kind of maybe there's a comparison there, but it's kind of like the word woke.

Now, woke and the term social justice warrior, these were self descriptors at first, like the people who were woke called themselves woke. Then it became a pejorative. These days, if you hear the term woke used, you're almost always hearing it as an insult towards somebody. But okay, you don't get to just say the word is offensive when you embraced the word. Well,

Like, I'm sorry, this is too goofy. And so, okay, there were a lot of self-described neoconservatives. They were not all Jewish, although disproportionately there were a lot of Jews involved, but there were people like Bollinger,

Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, and there were always people in the group who were not Jewish, but they agreed with their views on foreign policy, which, as Mark Levin said, were extremely hawkish. Now, what happened is that the neoconservatives, the self-described neoconservatives, they agreed

hijacked U.S. foreign policy in the George W. Bush administration. So they were really the ones calling the shots right after 9-11. And it's the greatest tragedy of the 21st century that they were in positions of power at this time. And they're the ones who launched the war on terrorism.

And this, now they, it is true that of the self-described neoconservatives, a lot of them are no longer in power. Now, some of them are not that far from being out of power. Of course, the architect of the entire catastrophe in Ukraine was Victoria Nuland, who was hired by Dick Cheney and then promoted by Hillary Clinton. And she, this is the wife of,

of Robert Kagan, who was a Project for a New American Century self-described neoconservative. So no, it's not like, oh, this is ancient history, none of them have been around, they're all dead, that's just a lie. But it is true that essentially while Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and a lot, the guys from the Project for a New American Century, with the exception of Robert Kagan's wife, who was just in power until Donald Trump came back in,

It's true most of them aren't in power anymore, but the policy continued nonetheless. And somewhere along the line, Neocon became a pejorative for the guys trying to get us into the next stupid war.

But this term was applied, and look, you could argue like this term was applied to people who don't self-describe as neocons, but it was applied to people like John McCain or Lindsey Graham, who were not self-identified neocons, but had foreign policy that was indistinguishable from the neoconservatives. By the way, both John McCain and Lindsey Graham, not Jewish, but people still throw the term out at them because they're stupid war hawks.

It's ridiculous to say that this term is off limits because now, which is what essentially all of them are doing, right? Is that they all, they like the neocon agenda, but they know that the term neocon is kind of associated with catastrophe.

And so they're like, hey, stop using that word that we used to use. It's like people like Mark Levin, right? Defended the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. And I'm sure it was critical. I mean, I don't know enough about him, but I'm sure it was critical of Obama for not being harsher or for not being more of a hawk. And, you know, it's like, OK, but like, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Because essentially what they're saying here, on top of, like, your point is completely right, Rob, but on top of just this thing where you're making it a Jewish thing when it's not, or not entirely at least, it's also a desperate attempt to get away from your own track record. You know? To be like, no, no, no, we don't talk about that anymore. You're not allowed to have a word that you use to dismiss all of us based off of our history of disaster.

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You know, they sit there and say what they will about I'm just a comedian or I don't know what I'm telling you. It's like, OK, all that stuff. You could pretend to not know my name. I don't really give a shit. You know, as Mark Levin said at one point there, he goes, I like capitalism. You know, he kind of threw this weird little insult to Tucker. Oh, he has a subscription model. I guess that means he needs subscribers. Like, yeah. And you have a radio show. You need listeners. What are you talking about? We're all in the same business. Yeah.

But if you are a capitalism guy, that means that, you know, kind of the market gets to determine whose voice ought to be heard. So I don't really give a shit if you know my name or not, because I'm winning in the marketplace. Like, who cares what you think? What matters is the argument. And the fact is that the war on terrorism...

cost the American taxpayer $8 trillion. It destabilized our country. It has led to the worst tribal, political, cultural, and racial divides of my lifetime. It slaughtered

Around, I think the estimates are around 4 million people were killed in the wars. It destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen. It has resulted in...

thousands of our brave young soldiers being killed in action. Tens of thousands of them have been injured in action. Tens of thousands of them have committed suicide in the wake of the wars. And there's not one theater where all of these wars have happened that you could say is better off now than it was before. That's their legacy. And you might notice none of them have a response to that.

Not a single one of them. But when I said it to Douglas Murray, he said, okay, that is a fair point. He's got no response to that. And that's why they rely on smearing anybody who opposes them. Because forget all the other stuff. This was your track record. You were for these policies. These policies were enacted. This is the result.

And part of the result is now the term neocon means evil, psychotic, retarded, blood-soaked monster war hawk who ruins everything he touches. Deal with it. We're not going to stop calling you that. Okay. All right. Let's keep playing. I know it. And many of the people that use that phrase either don't know what they're talking about, but in the magazines and on the internet, they know it.

So they're not going to say the Jews are dragging us into a war. They'll say Israel is, Netanyahu is. They're not going to say the Jews this and the Jews – so they use neocon. Chatsworth is smart enough to know what he's doing. Let's pause it for a second. So your criticism is that they're more precise?

And that they don't that they don't just blame all Jews. That's your. No, a lot of people out there do say the Jews are just dragging us into all of these wars. Those are the ones who are Jew haters. OK, other people who are more precise and more accurate say, hey, these people are dragging us into a war. Like, did did they not drag us into a war?

Have we not been dragged into wars in the last 25 years? Okay, there were people who were making decisions in positions of power. And no, it's not just Jews. There's lots of non-Jews in that group as well. And so your beef with us is that we're using a more precise term that also incorporates the non-Jewish war hawks into this. Yes.

Yes, the Israeli government and the neoconservatives have been hell-bent on dragging America into war, and they've been largely successful in that effort. Them's the facts, Mark Levin.

Sorry, I know there's supposed to be this unwritten agreement that we're never supposed to talk about the warfare state. We're never supposed to mention that, that that's a fact in American political life also. We're all supposed to be constitutional conservatives who don't mention that the Congress hasn't declared a war since World War II. But that doesn't fuck with you at all, Mark Levin? No.

Being in a state of forever war, all of them being undeclared wars, you never read something from the founders that indicated maybe this was not the original intent of Article 1, Section 8? Give me a fucking break. So anyway, yeah. So you're anti-Semitic for saying the neocons drag us into war because you really want to say the Jews drag us into war, but you don't.

What can you say about this? It's too ridiculous. It's like me being like, you know, the Bloods and the Crips sure have killed a lot of people in Chicago. And then someone going, oh, that's a pejorative for black people. So you really want to say black people are killing a bunch of people in Chicago, but you just keep saying the Bloods and Crips. No, that's so I'm not being racist. I'm being specific. Can you defend the actions of the Bloods and the Crips? No. Let me tell you something. It's easier than defending the actions of the neocons.

Killed a lot less people. All right, let's keep playing. He may have transitioned into what he's become today, but he knows what he's doing. I know what he's doing. Now, when I wrote this, by the way, neocon is pejorative for Jew. Unbelievable. Mr. Reduce, does that say I called the envoy an anti-Semite? You're either stupid or diabolical to suggest that I did. Take your pick. Okay. I'm no fan of the envoy.

So after all of this, by the way, it talks about he talks for three hours. It's like, yeah, you take a long time to make a point. And then your point is the most garbage point I've ever heard. I mean, this is again, this is why the whole like woke right debate and all of that. All I'm saying is like, forget even whether you like the term or not. I think the people lobbing it my way have so discredited the term that it's useless at this point. But like,

You do get... This guy might as well be a gender studies major, the way he's arguing. It's literally like... It's identical to what the woke left used to do all the time. They used to say these things where they'd be like... They'd talk about...

like toxic masculinity or toxic whiteness. There was that book, The Case of White Fragility or something like that. And then people would be like, it sounds like you're a racist who hates white people. And they'd be like, where did I say that? When did I say that? No, I didn't say anything about white people. I said whiteness. And you're like, yeah, well, I mean, what? So yes, you'd, okay.

You're right. You're right, Mark Levin. You didn't call Trump's envoy an anti-Semite. You said he was using an anti-Semitic trope.

right you said neocon is a pejorative for jew so you said he's using a pejorative for jew but then to sit there and go like only an idiot would have thought i called him an anti-semite is like oh shut up dude like what what do you think this is cute this is the dumbest game i've ever heard yes i i can't believe people made that mistake

In assuming that you called him an anti-Semite when you just said he's being an anti-Semite, whatever. It was just too ridiculous. His white store owner shoved blacks out of his store and that's a racist action. Oh, I never said the owner was a racist. I just said the action that he engaged in was racist. Yeah, come on. This is just, it's ridiculous. All right, let's keep playing.

But I never called him a traitor. I know how to say traitor. And I never called him an anti-Semite. And this is really precious coming from our friend Chatsworth Hosborn Jr. who's brought in a conga line, a conga line of miscreants, malcontents, and worse, in my opinion. And I say this as a red-blooded American, that a lot of people are getting sick and tired of this game. They're getting turned off by this.

The American people do not want the Islamo-Nazi regime in Iran to get a nuclear weapon. They don't want them to have missile technology where they can put a nuclear warhead on an intercontinental ballistic missile and hit the United States. And the fact that they don't want that doesn't make them a warmonger, a neocon, or anything else. It makes them patriotic Americans. That's number one. Number two.

I am hoping, you are hoping, that Donald Trump figures out some kind of deal that nobody else has figured out yet, but he's capable of it, to stop them, short of war. But many of us are skeptical. Why? Because we have a brain. Because we know the Islamo-Nazi regime in Tehran is a terrorist regime that has violated every piece of paper it's ever signed. That's why we're at the 11th hour. That's why Donald Trump's having to deal with it.

We know what terrorism means as much as we know what neocon means. So if you're trying to stop the Iranian regime, which chants day in and day out, death to America, death to America, death to America, and tries to assassinate our president, you're not a warmonger. You're a peacemaker. That's what you are. You're not a neocon. The neocons are...

Okay, so I mean, wow. First off, he starts going into the Mark Levin voice that Rob likes. So here, now we're getting the real Levin here. And holy shit, it's like once they get through all the bullshit and actually present their argument, it is just the dumbest fucking Dick Cheney bullshit you've ever heard.

Like it's all just so like who even believes this hyperbolic nonsense anymore. Iran is going to nuke the United States of America with the nuke that they don't have and the delivery capabilities they do not possess. This is this is on the level of Saddam Hussein is about to hand WMDs to the terrorists. This is the propaganda that got us into Iraq.

That Saddam Hussein is about to hand this weapon that he doesn't own over to the terrorists who he's not friends with. The Islamo-Nazis. It's just fucking pathetic. No, Mark Levin. No.

The American people, the red-blooded Americans, including, by the way, the military that you need in order to go fight these wars, the American people are sick of war. And they do not want to fight another war on behalf of Israel. This is borne out.

Across all the opinion polls and not just the opinion polls, it's the military guys themselves, as I always love to say on the show. But in 2008 and 2012, at the height of the war on terrorism, the candidate who got more money from active duty military than all other candidates combined was Dr. Ron Paul.

Because no, the American people don't go, oh my God, there's a bunch of Nazis in Iran. We just have to go to war with them. Actually, the American people aren't even thinking about that shit. The American people are thinking about how America has had a rough go of it over the last few years. That's what they're thinking about. And again, this is borne out in all of the opinion polls, all of the opinion polls, Rob. You know what? We just had a, I don't know if you recall, Rob, we had a presidential election over this last year.

There were a bunch of opinion polls. At the top of the issues, the issues that people were voting on was, will Iran get a nuke or not? That was the number one. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. It was the economy and immigration. Because people care about their country. Kind of makes sense. It kind of makes sense. You know, some of us have kids, and our kids are growing up in this country. So we care about what's good for this country. You know, I was watching...

The other day, yesterday, I saw a clip of Michael Knowles, who's over at the Daily Wire. And it's kind of interesting. It's interesting watching the dynamic of Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles, because, you know, they're kind of taking the non-interventionist approach while still never criticizing Israel, because, you know, they got an audience that they got to keep, but then they also got a job that

that they got to keep. So they're caught in this kind of weird spot. And at one point, Michael Knowles is saying, he's like, look, you know, I've heard a lot of people make arguments, but no one's really made a convincing argument to me of why Israel doesn't have a right to go to war over October 7th. Now, leaving that aside, because I think a lot of people, including myself, made pretty damn convincing arguments about why Israel doesn't have a right to do what they're doing, but whatever.

That's what he says. And then at a certain point, it's almost like he just says it without really thinking of the implication. But he goes, look, I want the war to end tomorrow. Just like as an American, I think it's better and it's in our interest for the war to end. I mean, it's just causing all types of problems, you know, but still Israel has a right to do this. And then you're like, you're almost like, you're like, oh, wait, hold on. But so you just subtly admitted that even from your point of view, it's in America's interest for the war to stop.

So you're telling me we got to fund and arm a war that is against our interests? Give me a break with this bullshit, Mark Levin. You know what? Listen, man. Mark Levin has a 40-year head start on me in this game. Literally, I bet he's been doing it since I was two years old. Okay? And he has...

Tens of millions of dollars, and he works for billion-dollar companies and has syndicated all across the country. And in the marketplace, I have not only caught but beat him due to one simple fact. The American people are not where you are. They're just not.

It's borne out in every single opinion poll that you can find. The American people do not recognize that the Islamo-Nazis are our biggest concern. The American people recognize that, like, you know, people pouring into the country by the millions illegally. That's our big concern. That are losing the purchasing power of our dollar. That's our big concern. Why are we losing all this purchasing power in our dollar? Well, a big part of it is we've spent $10 trillion on maintaining an empire over the last 25 years.

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So no, Mark Levin, the people are not with you. And I'll say on top of that, the people by and large don't hate Jews. They just hate forever wars.

I'll give you the final thoughts on this, Rob. And then I know you do. I have to cut out for a call, but I encourage you to keep on going because I feel like Mark Levin deserves more trashing here and you're doing an excellent job. All right. Thank you, sir. We will talk to you guys. Make sure to go check out Run Your Mouth. Go to theporchtour.com. Okay. Let's keep playing. I'll do another few minutes on this without Rob. Let's keep playing. You're dead.

Now people use neocon, many people, innocently. They don't know what it means. He knows what it means. And my point to our envoy was, why are you using word like that? Because you don't even know what it means, as do others. And so the point was to let them know that it's a pejorative. What it's a pejorative for, and it's unbelievable that he spews it. And he'll keep spewing it in others' will too. But I don't have to pretend I'm Helen Keller, that I don't see and I don't hear.

And neither do you. And neither do you. And there's a whole pattern over there with Chatsworth Osborne Jr. A whole pattern. Now, he's free to do what he wants. I believe in free speech. Go ahead. Buy a subscription. Do whatever you want. It's perfectly fine by me. But don't screw with me, you little bastard, by twisting my words. All right. Let's pause it right there. You should have picked up the phone.

Don't screw with Mark Levin. Or what? Or what, you old soft man? What are you going to do? Launch the dumbest rant I've ever heard? Listen, Steve Witkoff knows exactly what the term neoconservative means. And more important than that, he knows what it means in common parlance. Like he knows what it means today. What he means is war hawk. Yes, it's a pejorative for war hawks. Because

But Witkoff is trying his best, it seems, to make peace around the world. And, you know, OK, it's not going perfectly, but actually he's had some very real, very tangible success, saved some human beings lives. Again, I know this is a running theme on the show at this point, but isn't it interesting how none of them seem to care about that?

Isn't that so goddamn fascinating that me here as the self-hating Jew Hamas sympathizer or whatever the fuck I get called on Twitter, I'm the one who's celebrating that 20 hostages got returned over the last few months. 21, once you count the American. But so, yes, he knows, again, you know, woke it like the term woke is what I made the announcement. You know, it first started as like a black consciousness term.

It started as like black people. The idea was to get woke, to wake up to like this is the systemic oppression and the kind of false narratives that have been created. And then, as is typically the case, it started in the black community. And then a bunch of white liberals were like, oh, that's cool. We want it. And so they took it. And then they did really, really stupid things with it, like argue that, you know.

gender is made up and all types of ridiculous stuff and um now it's pejorative used to smear that but if anyone were to say to you they go you don't even know what the term means the term means black consciousness it's like yeah it once did it doesn't anymore it's the way words work you know language evolves like that and yes the term neocon is now just a pejorative for warhawk

Because you guys have lost the fucking argument. That's the truth. You know, there's a real, there's a real irony in the, in the whole, you know, last month, the whole nonsense about like experts and, you know, you've never been and all, all that ridiculous stuff. It's like, look,

I will be the first to admit it's true. It is ridiculous. It is ridiculous. There should be better people. There should be better people. It's just that you guys suck so much that I can fuck all of you up.

This is why I wreck these guys every time they're willing to debate to the point that I don't think too many of them are going to be willing to debate anymore. There's someone was trying to say, oh, it was Josie, the redheaded libertarian on Twitter. She was trying to set up a debate on the woke right. And between me and James Lims, James Lindsay, and I was like, yeah, absolutely. I'll do it. And he was like, no.

not doing that and of course not why would they is none of you guys have lost the fucking argument because your argument is built off lies and blood that's it no one's gonna stop using neocon as a pejorative because mark levin threatened them keep ranting keep keep keep your dumb rants coming please it's just more content please keep them coming

Sorry, you guys, it's in, listen, I've, say what you will about me, there's far more educated people than me. I've read like everything the neocons have ever fucking written. I know all the shit they wrote in the Project for a New American Century. I know their whole clean break strategy, their whole seven countries in five years strategy, read everything they've written.

and you don't get to walk away from that now especially people like mark levin who supported it from a from a position of power you know there's somebody having a real influence uh one of the biggest right-wing talk radio show hosts in the country you supported every one of these catastrophic wars and now that they've all ended in disaster you got to deal with being called the neocon for it so neocons and we're never going to stop saying that word okay that's

That's the show for today. Thank you guys so much for listening. I do appreciate it. I'll see some of you guys out there at the Soho Forum tomorrow night. Really looking forward to it. Catch you guys tomorrow. Peace.