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Hello, what's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith, and that lovely cupcake to my left is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. How are you, sir? I'm doing well. How are you, Mr. Smith? Very good, very good. I cannot complain. I mean, I always can, but I'm not going to. Can I register a complaint? Go ahead. You know, my apartment's not clean, my studio's not clean, and I don't own this desk, and it's not my desk, but I'm still annoyed by all the shit on it. Well, I mean...

Listen, this is a I think of the studio as a shared space. I'll bring it up with HR. That's right. I think none of it is my responsibility. And if I'm being honest, I'm a little annoyed with you two that this place is such a mess. Why is it? Why are there wires everywhere? Yeah, I know. I really am. It's unbelievable because it's so I was always a slob.

And I really do. My wife makes fun of me for this, but I really do have this feeling like I used to be a slob and I'm not a slob anymore. And then I realized that I just married my wife. Right. And she walks behind you with the, yes, it all. This is the only room of this gigantic house that I'm responsible for. And it's a goddamn mess.

Then I go, every other room is really nice. It's not atrocious. It's just the pile of books. It's all good, but they're nice books. You got Scott Horton's book. I do have right here. I have, of course, Provoked. This is the early edition copy. It's the fan mail. The fan mail doesn't need to be here. This, by the way, is a fantastic book. Rise and Kill First. Ronan Bergman.

Unbelievable. Really dark, but really, really good. This is the book that I was reading. First, I had heard, uh, I had heard, you know, the book recommended to me several times. And then Daryl Cooper was like, dude, you gotta read Rise and Kill for, I don't know, maybe I mentioned it, that it was like on my list of things to read. And he was like, dude, you gotta read it. So good. And you know, Daryl Cooper tells you, read a book, you read a book. Um,

But anyway, so I take I took it with me. I always I bring books on the road. Usually that's when I get my reading done. So I took it with me to Austin. And I'm reading this. But the book is about the history of targeted assassinations by the Mossad. And I'm reading it the day Donald Trump got shot.

Which was really just like, that'll start make you, that'll have you connecting dots that maybe you shouldn't be connecting. You know what I mean? But it was just such a funny thing to be reading and then like look on Twitter and be like, oh yeah, Donald Trump just got the show. All right. Okay. Anyway. Okay. A few points of order of bidness before we get into the show for today. Okay. Number one.

This is, so there's been a little bit of a change to our schedule. We, we are still coming to Buffalo. The Saturday shows got, got canceled. It was a booking error on, on the club. So March 6th and 7th, we will be in Buffalo, New York at helium comedy club, March 8th. We're now doing some shows in St. Catherine's, which is just on the other side. You sure? I've,

Well, we're going to find out. All right. We're going to push our luck. We're the good kind. The self-hating kind. How about that? Will you make an exception for a couple self-hating Jews? We will find out. Canada. I have not been to Canada since the Just for Laughs Festival in 2017. It was the last time I was up there. And I think, I believe we had planned, I was planning to go up there during 2020, but

And then, you know, 2020 happened and Canada was not the place you wanted to be. But so I have not been up there. And I do know, despite, you know, what a communist nightmare that country is, we do have some great fans up there in Canada. So looking forward to that. And out of support for the prime minister, I'll be performing in blackface. Out of support.

Rob's going to do all his shows in blackface going forward. The legacy is not forgotten, Trudeau. Don't worry. And then, of course, later in the month, we got Boston coming up. I'm very excited to go back to Boston and laugh. Boston's a great club. And Boston's just like one of the best comedy towns in the world. So very excited to go back there. The other thing, which I do not believe I have mentioned this on the podcast yet, although I did tweet about it, but I am. Maybe I mentioned I can't remember. Yeah.

I talk too much. I am returning to the, or we, I should say, are returning to the Soho Forum, the wonderful debate series run by the brilliant Gene Epstein. And Rob's going to do a comedy set. And then I am doing an Oxford style debate. I will be debating Alex. I do

Do not mean this is a slight on him, but I always get his last name wrong. Norwash, nor, nor, nor, nor watch tear or something. It's, it's, uh, it's not, listen, I'll take 50% of the blame. I always say things wrong, but 50% of this is also on, he's got a difficult name to say, but anyway, we're doing a debate about immigration, um, or like the libertarian perspective on immigration. Me and Alex have, uh, um,

had some not so pleasant back and forths on Twitter over the years. And we've both been, uh, um, kind of critical of the, of the other one. Um, but this is a debate that was long in the making. And, uh, you know, it's always sad when somebody dies, but it's nice that now Alex is allowed to talk to me. So, uh, there's, um, there's,

The longtime guy at the Cato Institute, David Boaz, who recently passed away, rest in peace, had a firm rule about like people not talking to Mises Institute people. None of them were allowed to go on Tom Woods show or like anything like that. So now he's allowed to debate me again. And I am I'm very much looking forward to this. I think it's going to be I think it's going to be a great night and a really important topic, particularly in today's.

world, which is actually in the resolution. There's something, it's something like, particularly in modern day America, libertarians ought to support restraints on immigration or something like that. So anyway, the SohoForum.org is the website. You can get tickets there. Last I heard, these are moving fast. The event is going to sell out. So if you'd like, if you're in the New York City area and you'd like to come spend a night with me and Robbie the Fire Bernstein, come on out.

Come on out. All right. So there's a lot of stuff going on. I'm not exactly sure. You know, let's just start. Let's start with the fun stuff. Okay. Because there really is. I got to say, it's probably a little bit evil how happy this made me. But Joy Reid has been canned at MSNBC. What can you say, Rob? MSNBC is... It's amazing...

I don't understand how anybody's, I don't understand how they haven't closed up shop. I was looking just earlier at the numbers. The ratings were so bad. I mean, she was, Joy Reid in the key demo was doing like, you want to just take a guess? 200,000 people. Right. Because that'd be really bad. Yeah. Right. 40,000.

How's that possible? 40,000 in the key demo. That's a small podcast. I mean, it's literally like, it's insane how much the show was failing. And then, and by the way, then like the, you know, if they get a hundred thousand in the demo, that's like, oh, that's their number one show. That's like what Maddo does. Like she gets them like a hundred. That's why they had to bring her back. They have no one there. And then you just think about it. Like what?

You know, I remember it was an interesting thing. Like once, once podcasts first came out and became a thing, I remember just thinking about it. Really the comparison that I would make was serious radio because serious radio had like, you know, some, some comedy shows there. But then as podcasts started getting big, you would just kind of look at it like on a, just the business model of it. You're like, okay, so what,

And the three of us, we're kind of doing a radio show right now, right? Like what really is the meaningful difference? It's on the internet versus being on a thing that you have to have like in your car or whatever. I don't know. Okay, ours is out of the garage of my house. That's our business model.

I have a three car garage. I turned one of the car garages into a little studio, okay? It cost a few bucks to make this room and get the equipment and build the walls, but like nothing that crazy. Your business model is we're launching satellites into outer space.

I don't know what that runs you, but my guess is it's not cheap, you know? And so the same with MSNBC. Even you look, it's like these gigantic building in Midtown. You know, they're at the, I think they're at the 30 Rock building. It's just like the expenses that go into all of this. And then for the numbers to be this low. Anyway, how is it even shocking to anyone? Like what is MSNBC is like, who's it for?

It's like four leftists who love corporate America. How big did you think that audience was? You know, and Joy Reid, I mean, for people who don't know, the woman is, I mean, she's got to be the dumbest woman in cable news. She's just like utterly retarded, knows nothing about anything, is a vicious racist.

Mean like just point blank. She's an insane racist. She sees everything through the prism of race That's always been her thing And yeah, it just turned out that after a while. No one wants to fucking watch that shit Anyway, here she is. This is the fun part Let's uh, let's check in with as Tucker used to call her the crazy race lady over at MSNBC Here she is my show had value and that

that what I was doing had value, had value. And in the end, I'm sorry, I try not to cry on TV. And I take this kind of like being on TV, so I apologize. And then it mattered. I see Karen is there and she's been texting me as well. And so what I will just say is that in the end, thank you, where I land is that

The moment of guilt that I felt that I went hard on so many issues, whether it was...

the Black Lives Matter issues of a young baby or a mom or a dad that was killed or when we opened up people's eyes to the fact that Asian Americans were being targeted and not just black folks that or immigrants who've done nothing like my parents did and try to make a life and defended them or whether we've talked about

what the president is doing that is subversive to the Constitution, that is injurious to our liberty, you know, defending books that people find inconvenient, you know, that Nicole Hannah-Jones put into our spirit that we need to understand 1619 as the real founding of this country, whether it's talking about

Any of these issues and and yes, whether it's talking about Gaza and the fact that we as the American people have a right to object to have a right to object to little babies being bombed and and where I come down on that is I'm not sorry. I am not sorry that I stood up for those those things because those things are of God and

And, you know, I'm a church girl, too. In a way, you're kind of God, you know? All right. Essentially, that's it. But there is something. And, you know, I remember saying this for years, Rob, but there is something about, you know, the look. I mean, there's really no other. The blatant racism that kind of like swept culture and universities and stuff like this over the particularly over the last decade probably goes back further than that. But, you

I remember I always would say that like I would be, I would be pretty goddamn livid. Like if my kids were ever going to a school and they were being taught that like, you know, whiteness is evil or something like that. Like that would definitely, I would not want, I would not send my kid to a school that like believed in an ideology that was bigoted toward them, but I would be ready to kill someone for,

If I had, like, a black kid or if the ideology was that white people are victims and you are so wonderful. Because I just think that's the most—I think that's actually worse. Like, it's worse what they're doing to black kids in colleges than what they're doing to white kids in college. Because it is, like, the most poisonous thing. And you see people like Hart, like, just has it in her. Like, it's—

It's racial superiority is what you're teaching. And also with like a victim guilt complex that almost always accompanies racial superiority, by the way. And you just see all she can talk about is how great she was. That's why she got canceled because she was so great. Like, can you, I just don't, I really can't imagine a scenario.

We're like, let's just say, you know, whatever the the views that our podcast gets, let's say they just evaporated. And after a while, I just went it went down to like no one's watching the show anymore to the point that it's not economically sustainable, like just can't do it anymore. I could never imagine that.

Not at least having some element of like, fuck, what did I do to lose my audience? You know, like, man, I guess I could have, you know, even if I didn't think I was wrong about the issue, I immediately my mind would go to like, I guess I'm not saying this in the right way. You know, I guess I didn't like there's something something I did wrong. Not an inch of that. She's crying talking about how great she is and how she's of God and she's did everything right. That's her takeaway. Yeah.

The dumbest person on cable news. That's what she thinks of herself. Well, lucky for her, unless she has a non-compete clause, she can take her show to the open market. She can put it out on YouTube and she could see how much the market actually values her programming.

And maybe she'll make more money because she doesn't have to pay out a cut to MSNBC and she doesn't need that fancy studio and quite that roster of producers behind her. It can't be that much less viewers. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Like, it,

In a way, when you say it, it's got to be a higher profit margin for her to just go do a podcast at this point. But again, like, you know, you know, these people just don't prove your value. You got all the you got an open contract now or someone else might just come scoop you up if MSNBC is not seeing it. But I think we all know.

I think the gravy train of full-scale socialism has come to a halt. And as the Biden administration was ushered out and people had placed their bets on a continuation of socialism and that the internet was going to be censored and that there would continue to be state-run propaganda—

and that they'd figure out how the pharmaceutical companies or whatever else were going to keep buying out these ad contracts that were going nowhere so that you could pay for your propaganda. It seems like that's over, and I guess even networks like MSNBC are going...

uh, they're like, let's get this point. They, they bet on the wrong administration and, the profits aren't coming. So they got to figure something out. There is something you make a great point and it does just, it feels like a Ponzi scheme falling apart. Yeah. You know, like it just has that feel, you know, the whole, um, you know, so Bernie Madoff, uh,

who ran the second biggest Ponzi scheme of all time next to the U.S. government. There might be, maybe the European Union or something is competing, but he ran the biggest private Ponzi scheme, I believe, of all time. And his, you know, they like straight up just forged the documents. They didn't invest. They would send people like packets of all their investments. It was just stupid.

Complete bullshit, right? So it's just constantly getting new investors to fund. I guess investors isn't the right term, but getting new people's money and new suckers to pay out the old suckers. And he was paying outrageous interest rates. I think he was paying 20% at one point. From what I recall, it was just that steady 10% to 12%.

Oh, was it? I thought it was higher than that. What sold the storyline was just that for so many years he was so consistent and deemed to be so safe, I believe. You might be right about it. I thought it was more than that. But regardless, so he's paying them out. And if everyone's getting paid out, like even 10% to 12%, you're getting a healthy pay, everyone's kind of happy with that. And it wasn't until the economy went south. And when the economy went south, I think it was only like—it's not like everyone asked for their money back.

but enough big investors did that he didn't have nearly enough. And it's like, what's interesting about Ponzi schemes, house of cards in general is that they could take a very long time to build and

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This, I will say, is one prediction that I really got right, at least as of now. I got a few predictions pretty wrong about this last year, but I was arguing with – I was arguing at one point with Michael Tracy, and I think it was Robbie Sov, who I was basically saying, you know, the best thing about Donald Trump, if he wins again, is that it's going to completely destroy the corporate media. And they were arguing with me somewhat reasonably, right?

They were just like, well, no, actually their ratings all went up the last time he was in. And my, my prediction on this, which I think has really come true is just that yet, but they're not going to be able to do that again because it was all based off Russiagate and that completely fell apart. And then the COVID thing got so blown up that like, I just think people were underestimating how much so many people have woken up to like, Oh, this is bullshit. They're liars. They lie to us. Um,

Anyway, it's always nice just to see people get a little bit of comeuppance You know what I mean? Like something because there's just all these people are so goddamn awful and it seems like nothing bad ever happens to him So it's just nice. It's nice to see her cry. I don't know. Maybe that's kind of evil this

This I got to say, I enjoyed this too. Let's play the the Rachel Maddow clip. So here was Rachel Maddow, by the way, and I can't remember which one of her books it was. But Ann Coulter wrote this. This has got to be over 10 years ago. But she wrote about this dynamic. And it was if and I used to watch MSNBC and it was a real thing. If you watched it, you know what I'm talking about.

But Rachel Maddow would always like go out of her way to be like extremely complimentary of Joy Reid.

Like every time Joy Reid was on her show, she would introduce her as like the brilliant godsend Joy Reid. And it was always obviously this like weird liberal white guilt thing. And like and then she'd be like, also, Chris Hayes. Look, I don't like Chris Hayes, but he's way smarter than Joy Reid. You know what I mean? So anyway, here's Rachel Maddow responding to the news of Joy Reid being fired. And even bigger programming change is at 7 p.m.

7 p.m. Eastern, where Joy Reid's show, The Readout, ended tonight. And Joy is not taking a different job in the network. She is leaving the network altogether. And that is very, very, very hard to take. I am 51 years old. I have been gainfully employed since I was 12.

And I have had so many different kinds of jobs, you wouldn't believe me if I told you. But in all of the jobs I have had, in all of the years I have been alive, there is no colleague for whom I have had more affection and more respect than Joy Reid. I love everything about her. I have learned so much from her. I have so much more to learn from her. I do not want to lose her as a colleague here at MSNBC. And personally, I think it is a bad mistake to let her walk out the door.

It is not my call, and I understand that, but that's what I think. I will tell you, it is also unnerving to see that on a network where we've got two, count them, two non-white hosts in primetime, both of our non-white hosts in primetime are losing their shows, as is Katie Fang on The Weeknd. And that feels worse than bad, no matter who replaces them. That feels indefensible, and I do not defend it.

Isn't it? By the way, she certainly did learn a thing or two from Joy Reid. Make everything a race issue and accuse everyone of being a bigot. But it is wild to me that, I mean, again, as I said before, her numbers weren't bad. They were atrocious. And for you to say, like, it's unbearable.

It's unnerving. And this feels worse than bad. Somehow in these woke people's mind, you just get to call your boss a bigot. Completely unfounded. When there's obvious cause to cancel the show. That's what happens in shows. If nobody wants to watch it, the show gets canceled. This has been true from the beginning of shows. That's how it works. And yet she's going to...

As if you can't just in your own mind think of the obvious retort, which is that like, I don't know, in what worldview, even in like a left-winger's worldview, do you think if Joy Ann Reid's show was getting 10 million viewers a night, MSNBC would be like, damn it.

just black is succeeding you know i just hey you know is that how big corporations are not unless they're showing january 6 footage yeah right exactly well you know you got a point there what you'd have to do to get those ratings might actually press them off but it's like it's just such an obvious thing where it's like there these decisions aren't being made who cares who the non-white hosts are but it's like what are the you're in a business

And nobody sees value. It's pretty funny, by the way, Joanne Reed being like, my show has value. And like, yes, it does. And the market has decided the value is zero. That is the value of your show. It went to zero. If you're like you said, Rob, if your show has so much value.

Take it to the Internet. Find out how much value it has. And the news shows do well. I mean, Glenn Beck did great after leaving Fox News. Megyn Kelly's doing fine. Tucker Carlson's doing fine. Tucker's on top of the world. Yeah. So you are welcome to put your show up on the Internet and get all that value for yourself without having to share it with MSNBC. And as for that lady, Maddow, Maddow.

You know, you could leave in solidarity if you honestly believe that you're working for racists. Yeah. If you honestly think you're working for racists or it's inappropriate to have a network that doesn't have a showing amongst minorities. So I guess as the white person, you can make a difference and say, I will stand with the minorities until they have a better showing on this network, because otherwise what we're doing is wrong, because I guess.

It's not even it's because we're clearly being racist and overlooking the talent pool that's out there. Right. That should be contributing. Yeah. I mean, I mean, how dare her be a part of such a racist institution? It is, you know, it is. It's kind of a similar type argument that we've made about Bernie Sanders before not given away his third home or his million dollars or something like that. It's like it's the same. You know, you've seen like people like.

Yeah.

Stop working for them. Stop cash. Oh, these checks, the checks are pretty good though. Right? So you're still going to take all that money, but don't let it be said that I didn't call them racist before I took all their money. Um, I just, uh, I, I don't know. I guess it's hard to even like come up with the words because it's just so, it's so obvious in a way, but it's like, it's,

Rachel Maddow in that clip couldn't have given you better evidence for why no one wants to watch MSNBC anymore.

It's like, this is so incredibly stupid. It's like, this is your deep analysis on everything. It's not just Joy Reid being fired. It's everything. Just comes down to like your one dumb talking point about race or sex or sexual orientation or whatever. It's like, this is just, it requires you to turn your brain off specifically.

to think this way. And then you also have to like pretend we're living in a world that we're not living in. Listen, it's, it's so, it's like I said before, but, uh,

The example like, you know, you have this whole freak out over COVID. Meanwhile, the real health crisis is obesity. You know, you have this entire freak out over Doge. Meanwhile, the real crisis is the government, you know, debt spiral. And likewise, the fact that you could sit here and say that it's racist that Joanne Reed was fired, that's

This country, Joy Reid went to Harvard.

and was then an anchor of a news show for like 15 years. And she's fucking retarded. Okay? Like the story here is not that this country has been so horribly racist to her. The story is that it's insane that we bend over backward to pretend that someone like her has anything impressive to say. And, you know, it's just, it's,

You know, it's like this weird thing, this victim like race ideology. It's like you got these people at the top who grift off of it and make millions of dollars. But the ideology that they're selling is so poisonous.

And it is like, it's like, basically those are your only options. It's like, you can grift off this somehow, or you can let it ruin your life. And you think about like the generation of kids who came out of university is over the last 10 years and how much this stuff was pumped down their throats. Uh,

It's just like, it's a horrible thing to do. A horrible thing to do, especially to like young impressionable people. Thank God not too many people are watching this garbage because Jesus, is it awful? Just terrible.

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This is a limited time offer, so go check it out today. ProtonVPN.com slash Dave Smith. All right, let's get back into the show. And again, Rachel Maddow actually isn't an idiot, and I don't know. I'm not going to psychoanalyze her, but she was a Rhodes Scholar. She's not a dummy, and she's like...

The fact that she's like bought into all this stuff is I don't know. It's it's it's what pays the bills for now. Yeah, I guess so. But it is it is truly madness. Truly madness. All right. You want to let's see. What should we what should we do next, Rob? Well, you want to talk about Dan Crenshaw. We want to talk about we could do Ukraine. Ukraine.

Or Mike Baker on Joe Rogan? What do you think? Let's do Crenshaw-Ukraine. I feel like the two go hand in hand. All right. So Dan Crenshaw. I don't know if you guys saw this. Let's play the video. You can hear it from him. Although I think the audio is not great. I like the leprechaun outfit, though. It's not his worst look. Have you ever met Tucker?

All right. So if you couldn't quite make that out, Dan Crenshaw in this hot mic thing here.

He says if he ever meets Tucker Carlson, he will fucking kill him. He says he's the worst person. And at one point in there, he says, I'm not kidding, which is what a lot of people were jumping on. I think you had a take on this that you expressed before the show, Rob. I think you're correct on this. So if you go ahead, give give your thoughts. Yeah, it's very leftist to go words or violence. That sounds like dude bravado to me and does not actually sound like a threat. Right.

Yes, I completely agree. I think it's like the people who are... First of all, I got to say, honestly, my opinion on this is that I don't like leaked hot mics unless it's like...

With the exception of government officials talking about government policy, that would be my exception to that. Like the John Kerry hot mic or the Netanyahu secret recording, stuff like that I'm fine with. If it's the prime minister of Israel talking about how he tricks the Americans into supporting his wars, then okay, sure, leak that. But when it's just stuff like this, I just don't like it.

I feel the same way about like text messages. You know, there was like a there was some Angela McArdle, the former chair of the Libertarian Party. I remember they had some someone like had leaked some of her like a group chat or something like that. And it was like messages that came out right around the time when I pulled out and wasn't running. And she was saying some like.

you know, not the nicest stuff about me. And people were like sending it to me, like, oh, look what she said. And I'm like, stop sending this to me. Like, she didn't say that to me. And she's saying it privately. And then someone's going around. And you're also like, look, people are allowed to vent. They're allowed to have a moment like that. You know what I mean? Like, it's just and people, I think, you know, sometimes like,

I think about it like the example I would give is like if somebody let's say somebody like hacked into your text messages and let's say you're like let's say you're in a long term relationship or a marriage or something like that. And they they found the text messages from the worst fight you guys had.

You know, and then we were like, look, look who he is behind closed doors. And you'd be like, ah, it's not really a rep. You know, this was a thing in the moment. You kind of said it. This is to me something like that. And I don't like judging people off of that. I'd rather judge Dan Crenshaw off his terrible track record. So there's plenty more to say about that. And look,

That's really where the meat of this is, is what is his beef with Tucker Carlson, really? Oh, Tucker Carlson doesn't want to fight forever wars. That's really his issue. And he's probably been, you know, he's been highly critical of Crenshaw. But Tucker Carlson's response was just amazing. Tucker Carlson responded. Now, this is the correct response.

anti-woke way to deal with these things, okay? You don't go like, oh my God, teacher, teacher, he's threatening me. No, he's not. He wasn't threatening Tucker Carlson. The people jumping on that, you're being silly. You're doing the old confirmation bias thing and you're on my team. So like, I,

I'm not, I don't disagree with you. Krencosh sucks. He's the worst. Tucker's awesome. But this was not a real threat or a call to violence. Like, let's not, let's not be children about this. Let's not be Rachel Maddow about this situation here. Okay, let's grow up. That's not what it is. Tucker Carlson's response was perfect. He goes, why don't you come sit for a one-on-one interview? I'll send you my address.

There you go. That's the perfect thing. Because first of all, Dan Crenshaw isn't doing anything to anybody. It's like you can play this Mr. Tough Guy bullshit or whatever. But the truth is that Dan Crenshaw just got invited on the biggest, second biggest show in the world to go sit down and make your... And if you're a Republican policymaker...

probably the biggest show for your target demographic. This is, you know, these are the big, these aren't Joy Reid numbers. Talking about millions and millions of people watching the show. And you're invited to come on and make your case. And he won't because he knows Tucker would humiliate him.

Like absolutely body him the same way he did. You know, what's a what's Mike Pence doing politically? Oh, nothing since Tucker fucking bodied him. So what do you want to do? Go on the Tucker show and then go the way of Mike Pence. He'll he'll end your political career if you go on that show. So literally now you're out there, you know, like saying you're going to kill the guy and you just look like the biggest pussy in the world because you're scared to have a conversation with him.

by the way not the only person he's scared to have a conversation with but that's another story for another day um anyway yeah i don't know what uh um i guess we could transition from that into the ukraine stuff because it does certainly seem like uh talker carlson

And the more non-interventionist wing, which we would both fall into, it does seem like we are kind of winning the day on this. Even, you know, as is always kind of the case, right, Rob? I think this is true with almost every issue today.

I think almost every issue over this show, since me and you have been doing this show together, that you would say was like a major focus of ours, we almost always get vindicated on it. I actually say always on the major ones.

And even now I just see, you know, cause I did a lot of these Ukraine debates over the last couple of years. And even now I see the tone has totally changed. Like even when I'm arguing with other people on the other side, everybody's kind of, nobody's saying that we have to fund them forever. Ukraine will win. Ukrainians just want to fight. We're going to take back Crimea. No one's saying any of this shit anymore. It's like the conversation has just turned in our favor and it's,

as is the case often with these things, is just because the reality on the ground is just, at a certain point, it's kind of undeniable. You know, this is ultimately what broke the COVID.

discussion. It wasn't that our arguments were just so good that we persuaded everybody. It was really Omicron. Omicron did what none of us could do. And it was just that it tore through and infected the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. And it was so contagious and so everywhere that no one could pretend that any of these measures had been successful or that it was just like the whole thing fell apart under the weight of its own bullshit.

And the same thing is happening in Ukraine right now. You know, they in order to and this is pretty unanimously agreed upon now by almost all the top military people that in order to expel Russia from Ukraine, even Europe couldn't do it.

Like, it would take the 82nd Airborne. Like, that's what we'd have to do. We'd have to go World War II style into Ukraine to fucking kick their... And America could do that. Like, we probably are the only ones who could do it. But...

Nobody actually believes like nobody thinks we're at there is just no way that there is support at all in America to go to war with the biggest nuclear superpower in the history of the world to risk our own kids lives to make sure that Luhansk doesn't fall under the control of Moscow because Luhansk must be ruled by Kiev.

Nobody is on board with that. And so Dan Crenshaw and the other Warhawks have just kind of lost this argument.

And much like COVID, the people that were telling us that this was winnable and they just needed our support, they should be held accountable because a lot of people lost their lives for absolutely no reason. And now as we find out that some of the territories on the border, I guess, were rich mining areas, the whole thing seems even dumber to have risked. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's exactly right. The thing I'm most curious to see is what exactly is the nature of this...

precious metals agreement that Donald Trump is pushing for. Because if we're ending the war, and Ukraine's going to have to give up territory for the war being over, and part of ending the war is that Ukraine's giving up territory, and they will not be joining NATO, it seems overly punitive for us to demand that as a part of the war, we also get mineral rights. What I'm confused on is I guess maybe if

All of the resources that were given to them was only supposed to be a loan, and they just had a bad bet on Biden that it wasn't going to be recalled, and now you got a new administration, and that perhaps that is a warning to future regimes of –

siding with America or trying to go with bad policymakers. It's interesting because it's like, it seems overly punitive and not fair, but is it not fair in that it's good because it's a warning not to work with the United States of America? Or does it become a problem kind of like the Gaddafi nuclear thing where he actually did work with us and now we'll never get someone else to disarm again because then we threw him under the bus. So in terms of just the fear of America looking weak, I

I don't know. And these are not really my concerns, but I'm just saying for everyone that said, hey, we have to defend the red line in Ukraine because if Putin thinks he can expand, then China is going to go to Taiwan and we look weak and that's bad for the world order. So we have to defend borders. What is this new situation if now we're really the bad guy and we talked Ukraine into the war, we back them. We didn't let them step out of it when we sent Boris Johnson over there. And now afterwards, we're like, and you owe us.

You owe us half of your country's future wealth. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, I said the other day on the show, I think it was the one where you weren't on, but I said, it's like, it's gangster shit. You know, it's just a pure shakedown. And of course, you know, that's, you know, this is the nature of governments. This is what they do. I think the thing that people like about Donald Trump is that he's at least doing gangster shit. Yeah.

in his own mind of like, what's in the interest of our country. But I agree. I mean, look, it's just, look, Donald Trump, I was mentioning this to you before the show. But that's the thing. I don't know if it's in our interest to let everyone know we're bad partners because we're going under the bus. Yes, there's also a strong argument that it's...

we're good partners, but if you're partnering with our deep state, they're going to throw you under the bus and lying to you. But I don't know if that's, I agree with you that it's quite possibly in our short term interest, but not in our longterm interest to just get some minerals, but then nakedly be seen as, you know, like doing this, this gangster shit. Um, I do think that there's, you know, so I had, uh, I mentioned this to you, I'll quickly tell the story. Um, but so I have like my, my high school English teacher, um,

who I liked. He was a good guy. And he was one of my few teachers who I liked in high school. And he just the other day tagged me on Facebook, which I don't even use anymore. I happened to just go on it and I saw there was like, oh shit, Mr. Chaltain. So he wrote, and it was a New York Times piece, an interview with Bret Stephens,

um, who I, you know, it's just like the absolute worst. And he was like, Oh, this is really interesting. I'm curious your thoughts, Dave. And it was Brett Stevens saying that, you know, Donald Trump is transforming us into a predator state. And he likes the dictator rather than liking the guy defending democracy. And, you know, I was just, it was like, he's a liberal, I think. And everybody commenting on his page was a liberal. And it's like, you're almost trying to go like,

Like I tried to approach it the right way where I was like, okay, look, first off, here's who Brett Stevens is. Okay.

Okay, this is neoconservative Brett Stevens. Okay, like the neoconservative label ought to tell you liberals, you don't have to be on his side. You know what I mean? Like, and then I said, I mentioned in there, because I'm always, you know, trying to attack the left from the left type thing. I was like, you remember when Obama made fun of Mitt Romney for saying Russia is our biggest enemy? He was right. Mitt Romney was wrong. Why do you have to support the Cold War?

You're fucking liberals like this. Literally, Bret Stephens wrote. I'm not making this up. Two years ago on the 20 year anniversary of the war in Iraq, Bret Stephens wrote a piece for The New York Times and like it was titled something like why I was right to cheerlead the war in Iraq.

And in his piece makes no mention of the million people who got killed in the thing. He just said, well, Saddam was a bad dictator and that bad dictator ain't there anymore. So no, I don't regret being against that bad dictator. No mention of like the young men who...

Who enlisted and went and fought there. By the way, Brett Stevens was a pretty young guy when this happened. And he wasn't amongst them, would you believe that? The young men who went over there whose lives are ruined now. You know, forget the ones just who committed suicide. But the ones who are like double amputees or just are horribly depressed and can't unsee the shit that they did over there. All that. No mention of any of that. No mention of any of the cause. And that guy's going to tell you that ending a war makes us a predator nation? No.

Because Donald Trump is saying some nice things about Putin on the way there and like, you know There was a lot I was on Piers Morgan the other day and they were making a lot over this uh, this UN resolution there's like a UN resolution to condemn Russia and the US vote didn't vote for it and They're all going. Oh my god, you don't see like I'm Piers Morgan the panel. He loves authoritarians or something You're like guys why what's to be gained?

He's trying to negotiate a peace with this guy. You just want him to come out and call him mean names? And I'm not even saying, look, obviously Donald Trump was the art of the deal and in business he's known as this negotiator. That doesn't always work out the same way in government. And I think he's failed at several negotiations in his first term. And I don't think the way he's talking about Gaza is a good negotiating strategy. But come on, it would just be so stupid to...

for Donald Trump at this point to just piss Putin off for no reason. Like what? It's pure virtue signaling just to say he's a dictator. I condemn what he did. We're trying to end a war here. It's just insane that people think this way, you know? Yeah. And just condemn Biden for getting everyone into this mess for absolutely no reason.

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Brett Stevens making this big thing out of why he's you know, how he's talking shit to Zelensky and He's saying oh this is because Donald Trump wants to transform us from this nation that supports democracy to a nation that supports dictatorship or whatever and it's like no no Zelensky pissed him off

Zelensky, it's been pretty widely reported and has been said, I think, by the people in the meeting. I think it was, I think if I'm not, if I'm remembering this correctly, I think it was Hegseth and Rubio met with Zelensky.

And then he came out in the Ukrainian press and like totally misrepresented, at least they claim, misrepresented what was said in the media. And he was somewhat – he was critical of Donald Trump in the Ukrainian media. And Donald Trump, being the pettiest human being who's ever lived, is like what – he does what he always does. He starts talking shit. Like that's how Donald Trump is. Now, listen.

It's not the best quality in Donald Trump. One of the better qualities about Donald Trump is that he'll move on from that shit immediately if there's a deal to be made. It doesn't matter what he said to you or what you say to him. If you can do business after that, he's totally fine to do business. But he has the fragilest of egos and if you talk shit about him, he's going to come up with a nickname for you. That's how Donald Trump works. Whether you like it or not, that just is the situation. So look, again, to your point,

You know, when he says Zelensky started the war, that is kind of fucked up. Because it's like, really, look, there's an argument, but the argument would be, you know, like, look, there's a very strong argument to just say Vladimir Putin started the war. Vladimir Putin invaded the country. And there's, you know, I don't even, you know, I've seen different figures about the wars and how many people have died and the ratio of Russians to Ukrainians. But I think it's...

It's pretty much there's a consensus that it's it's in the hundreds of thousands of people and probably high hundreds of thousands at this point. And Vladimir Putin did that. You know, he decided to take it to the level of invading. And in Scott's book, he has a chapter on like what the other options are that he could have done other than invade the country. And I do think that Scott's right about it. Like it's not it's not justified what he did.

But you really could argue that the Obama administration started the war in 2014. I mean, I don't think there's an argument that Zelensky started the war. I mean, yes, you could say he didn't implement the Minsk agreements or whatever. And yes, he was... You could blame him for the part of the civil war that he was responsible for. But...

Look, like, I mean, I know I've said this before. I'm sure I'll say it again. But and I said this the other day on Pierce Morgan show, too. And also they had like a general who I was not familiar with because a general was on the show. He totally backed me up on this, which I was not. I was thinking, oh, I'm going to have to debate this general guy, which is always a little intimidating because, you know, they're just like.

you know, I'm a fucking podcaster and he's a goddamn general in the military. Um, but then he totally backed me up on it. And I was just like, look, what do you, and I just said the old thing. I go, look, just game this out. What would we do? What would America do if,

China said they were going to bring Mexico into their military alliance. And then we were very concerned about that. And then the president of Mexico decided he wasn't going to do a deal. Like as China saying they're going to bring them into their military alliance, they're also floating out in economic partnership. And then the president of Mexico goes, no,

Now, you know what? I'm not going to join this partnership, this economic partnership with China. I'm going to join an economic partnership with our neighbor, the United States of America. And then China pumped tens of millions of dollars into a protest movement against that president, democratically elected, and got him overthrown from power. And then the new guy joined that deal with them. What would we do?

And if you don't think that Washington, D.C. would invade that country in a second, there is simply no way that we would ever tolerate that. And in fact, that's what got America into World War I, was that they said it wasn't even ever going to happen, but they said Mexico was going to join in with their alliance. And we went, okay, well, then total war.

Then that's our response to that. And what was Jack Kennedy's response to them putting nuclear weapons in Cuba? He said, I'm treating that as a nuclear attack on the United States of America, meaning I will blow up the world. Like, and I'll tell you, I don't know too many people, even real non-interventionist libertarian types, which are the circles I swim in. I don't know too many people who think Jack Kennedy was wrong to say that, to say that like, no, no.

No, we cannot tolerate nuclear weapons in Cuba pointed at America. I mean, you know how fucking close Cuba is to us? Like we were there when we were just down in Key West right there. Yeah, we're right there. Like it's just right there. People raft over from Cuba. You can't have nuclear weapons pointed at you from there. It's a knife to your throat, which is the, I think was a line Putin said about the, um, about military hardware in Poland. So this is like a knife to our throat.

And that's in Poland. Ukraine is closer, you know. So, again, I think the Donald Trump shit-talking Zelensky, I think, is personal and doesn't really add much to the negotiating. But I think saying nice things about Vladimir Putin is like, that's just a smart negotiating tactic right now. People can have a problem with it if they want to, but...

I don't see what, you know, it's like in DC, it's just forever wars never make you, that never turns you into a predator state. But yet the state, as soon as somebody actually looks like they're going to end one, that's when all these people start attacking. It's the most upside down demonic like thinking.

Yeah, I haven't seen or I don't think the full details on it are available. At first, it seemed to me that perhaps we were going to continue to back the war. But we were saying we want mineral rights in return for backing. Now it sounds like no war's over and we still want the mineral rights.

which either sounds punitive or perhaps Donald Trump has some different play in mind, which is specifically to get Zelensky out and then maybe cut a better deal with somebody else. But I also don't understand the security guarantee. So they're not going to be a part of NATO, but the U.S. is going to be more invested in the country and Putin's going to be okay with that. And I don't understand how you don't end up with essentially the relationship we have with Taiwan, with the semiconductors, where we've stupidly reaffirmed

on the semiconductors there, but we're not actually in, we don't actually have the ability to defend it. So why would we have the strategic asset there? So on the same note, if we're not actually going to go to war with Russia over strategic asset in Ukraine of minerals, then firstly, it's not a guarantee and then it's dumb to be relying on that or cultivating it as a strategic asset. Look, I mean, I can't say anything other than it's just gangster shit. I mean, you're right that that's how the Trump administration is trying to sell it

to Ukraine. They're trying to sell like, well, hey, if we're very invested in you because you give us your minerals, then well, then we'd have an interest in Vladimir Putin not coming in and invading. But at the same time, we're saying you can't join NATO. We can't give you security guarantees. So in other words, it's just like, give us your shit and then we'll be incentivized to protect you. P.S. We're not going to protect you.

Yeah. And look, I mean, I just I also do think this is this is my view of the situation is that I think that like the people of Ukraine are.

you know, forget their criminal government and forget the Russian criminal government and our criminal government for a minute. But the people of Ukraine have been real victims of all three of these criminal organizations. Like the, the worst victims of this whole thing have been the people of Ukraine have lost their fucking country. It's been destroyed. Um, you know, many of the women and children fled at the very beginning. Um, and many of the men were not allowed to, uh,

You know, it's unbelievable, too. You know, it reminds me of like the stuff with all these wars. It's always like, you know, I bring this up now almost every time I'm on Piers Morgan because that, you know, the topics he I almost always end up talking about either Ukraine or Gaza when I'm on there. And I will I'll make a point to just bring up how, you know, all the talking points are

that I was arguing last year on this have all been abandoned. You know what I mean? Like all the stuff I had to argue for, like, remember, Pierce, eight months ago, 10 months ago, when I was doing this and this was the thing I had to argue, you know, the Gaza health ministry is inflating the numbers. You don't hear that too much anymore because all you got to do is look at the drone footage of Gaza and be like, no, I don't think they are. I don't think they are at all. And all this like, oh, Hamas uses them as human shields or something like that. All of it?

All of it. That's when you look at a picture of, of Southern Gaza and there's nothing and every single building has been destroyed. What are you telling me? Hamas said that Israel estimated that Hamas had like, I think 40,000 fighters at the beginning of the war. So like how, just do the math here with me. There was a Hamas, you know, cell in every single one of these buildings. I don't think so. And so anyway, but with, um, um,

In Ukraine, it's like the talking points, they've all just been abandoned. Like no one's even arguing the stuff that they were arguing a couple years ago. I've just totally brain farted. I had a specific one in mind. Maybe it'll come back to me. But it's just...

It's like the way these things always go. It's the way they always go. And the whole time the cheerleaders are like, oh, it's, you know, this is how it's going to go. They give you the picture. You know, how many times did Biden and his his surrogates tell us that Ukraine was going to win and that they were and it was all bullshit the entire time. Anyway, the point I was making was that, oh, yeah, here was the example. I got it back. Was that I just remember this was the most popular talking point at the beginning of the war that Ukrainians want to fight.

They want to fight. Believe me. They want to fight this war. And I would always just, because it's the most basic libertarian insight of all, I'd be like, well, then why are they fighting with a conscripted army? You know, like if they want to fight so much...

How come there's, I mean, it's just like very basic. Like if I put a gun to your head and I say like, come, come with me, we're going for a drive. And then I say to everybody else, no, he really wants to come for a drive with me. It's like, okay, well in that case, put the gun down and we'll figure out if he really wants to come or not. The Ukrainians there, I think they, um, was the number, I think there was over a hundred thousand people who were charged with desertion.

You know, it's like, oh, but they didn't seem to want to fight, you know. And those are the ones who did it despite it being illegal. Make it legal. Tomorrow we'll find out how bad Ukrainians want to fight. You know, it's real. Isn't there something so goddamn hilarious about the West writing a blank check to Ukraine, pouring in hundreds of billions of dollars and the country drafting them and forcing them to fight? And then you go, no, these people want to fight.

You're like, do they? Do they really? I don't know about that. Anyway, all these guys, they got hundreds of thousands of people killed and they have absolutely nothing to show for it. Nothing. It's really tragic. Hopefully, you know, a peace can be worked out soon and at least the killing will stop, as Donald Trump said. And just to speak to the stupidity of the Biden administration, the whole idea was we need to enforce...

Yep. No, that's right. And then always with, you know...

references to world war two, as is always the case, you know, and then that, by the way, that's where I lost the general. Uh, he was agreeing with me about the Russia shit, but then it came to Gaza, you know, and I, I was talking about how horrible it is. And he was like, well, I mean, after, you know, we killed a lot of people in world war two, it's like, that's always what they go to. Um, but, uh,

It's, you know, all this stuff about how he's going to move on Poland and he's going to he's going to reconstitute the Soviet Union. It's just all total bullshit, just completely made up. And that's the other thing, which is, you know, Glenn Greenwald actually with Dan Crenshaw. I don't know if you saw that. They debated on Pierce Morgan the other day. But, you know, he called him out on it was so great. And Crenshaw just had nothing to say to it. But he goes because Crenshaw does the thing that they always do.

Where they go, he says the thing goes, Russia is a third rate country, you know, a gas station with nukes or whatever they always call them. And then Glenn Greenwald goes like, okay, well, I mean, which one is it?

You know, is he this puny little weak country or is he about to reconstitute the Soviet Union and take over half of Europe? Because it's I just don't know. Look, one of the major things that did come out of this war is if you remember back, there was it was in one of the Bill Burns memos. I don't think it was the yet means yet one. I think it was one of the other ones that got that got leaked. But Vladimir Putin had said his famous line was I could be in Kiev in a week.

You know, like he was, and I think this was, and in fact, Scott's got it in the book. I can't remember it off the top of my head, but there were like colonels in the military who were already talking about an insurgency, right?

in the first month of the war when Vladimir Putin first invaded. So they were talking about us backing an insurgency. In other words, they expected Ukraine to fall and then it would just be an insurgency that was fighting against Vladimir Putin. That didn't end up happening.

Ukraine did much better in this war than I would have predicted they would have done. Now, of course, that is very related to the fact that they had a blank check from the entire Western world. I mean, that Vladimir Putin quite possibly would have been right absent the hundreds of billions of dollars that poured in from the West, right? Like if it was just a one-on-one fight, maybe he would have been in Kiev in a week. Yeah.

Also, the fact that from 2014 to 2022, NATO was doing joint military exercises with the Ukrainian military, and perhaps that got them a little bit in better shape. But regardless of that, I just don't even know how anybody, like, how does this talking point even work anymore? He couldn't even, like...

He fought for years in Ukraine and was able to take some pieces of the thing, but not even control the entire country. Where do you get from that, that then he's going to launch a war with Poland and take on all of NATO? Now, I don't want to give Putin too much credit here. And maybe this is just my, uh,

lack of actual foreign policy information. It's a little bit unclear if it was more of a siege than it was. No, look, that's a fair point, too. It's not clear that the Russians wanted to take all of Ukraine. So that's a fair point to make as well. But regardless, they still have fought and lost a lot of people. And this has not been an easy war for them. The idea that they're reconstituting the Soviet Union is just this is a this is like a neocon wet dream of

this being a real threat so we're justified to fight this war all bullshit all right we got to wrap up there thank you guys very much uh as always for listening comicdavesmith.com go check out run your mouth if you have not already rob's other fantastic podcast anything else you want to plug rob uh sorry it's coming soon i gotta actually take some adderall and get that done but shoot me emails rob's newsroom at gmail.com if i haven't responded yet it's because i haven't taken my adderall

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